Judge Magilton on results, not his passport
By Mike Tuckerman, 16 Jan 2012 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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If Sir Alex Ferguson had been named as coach of Melbourne Victory, would it be considered a backwards step by those who take umbrage with A-League clubs hiring Britons?
I refer, of course, to Craig Foster’s column in yesterday’s Fairfax press which so spectacularly raised the hackles of his former Socceroos team-mate Robbie Slater.
Slater went ballistic on Twitter, labelling Foster a “racist” and highlighting an alleged indiscretion in Tahiti which supposedly ended Foster’s Socceroos career.
It was far from a dignified tête-à-tête but I can understand Slater’s frustration because Foster’s column wasn’t exactly brimming with indisputable logic.
In it, he states Magilton should not have been imported as a coach because he has not “demonstrated success in a league with a high tactical level.”
That may be true, but laudable as the desire to import the highest calibre of coaches is, we have to accept that ours is a recently formed league which runs for six months of the year in a country halfway across the globe from the cradle of world football.
Sir Alex Ferguson isn’t going to come calling any time soon, and nor are Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho or a cadre of “Italians, Germans, or Spaniards” whom Foster seems to think automatically make better coaches by virtue of their national background.
Foster cites former Sydney FC coach Terry Butcher as someone who “brought deeply entrenched views of how the game should be played” to this country.
But he neglects to mention that Butcher’s predecessor Pierre Littbarski – quite rightly considered one of the most technically gifted players of his generation – has also failed repeatedly in a coaching career which has taken him from his native Germany to Japan, Australia, Iran, Liechtenstein and back home again.
Littbarski had little impact on second division Japanese sides Yokohama FC and Avispa Fukuoka and the J. League is surely a higher tactical standard than the A-League.
Yet the only coach who came close to winning the J. League at the club I watched more than 80 times is an Englishman – Steve Perryman.
And while the J. League quite rightly has a reputation for importing foreign knowledge – particularly from Brazil – where is Foster’s analysis of why the likes of Akira Nishino, Takeshi Okada or Takashi Sekizuka have done well for themselves?
My point is: praising the virtue of coaches because they hail from supposed ‘football cultures’ is so pointlessly simplistic it borders on farcical.
And stating that signing a Northern Irish coach is a “step back in time” purely because his managerial experience is largely at Championship level is bound to spark heated debate.
Canadian-born former Dutch international John van’t Schip doesn’t possess a glittering managerial CV either, yet I recall no such questioning of his footballing pedigree when the former Ajax star signed on as Melbourne Heart coach.
I respect Foster’s right to an opinion and I think it’s sign of our burgeoning football culture that we can have these sorts of discussions.
But I also understand Slater’s dismay at the naked anti-British sentiment pervasive throughout the A-League.
British coaches have long made important contributions to the global game – including at Foster’s beloved Barcelona, which the likes of Patrick O’Connell, Terry Venables and the late Sir Bobby Robson once called home.
And when Foster questions whether Magilton can take Victory into Asia, he overlooks an ironic twist.
Jorge Fossati, the coach of current Asian champions Al-Sadd, may have learned his football on the dusty streets of Montevideo.
But the player who slotted home the winning penalty in last year’s AFC Champions League final, Nadir Belhadj, was signed from the English Championship side Portsmouth.
Jim Magilton is only one game into his Melbourne Victory career.
Let’s judge him on results and not the colour of his passport.
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January 16th 2012 @ 9:22am
Punter said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Why is is so difficult, it’s not about nationality,it’s about trying something different.
Why can’t we have a look at something different, the EPL clubs have numerous Spanish, Portuguese, Italian & the French coaches.
Why can’t A-Legaue teams look at Brazilian, Italian, Portuguese, Spainish, French coaches instead of always looking at British coaches, I mean these countries have won the last 5 World cups.
Like I said this is not about Nationality, Sir Alex is one of the top 3 coaches in the world.
January 16th 2012 @ 12:57pm
Al said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
And which Brazilian, Italian, Portuguese, Spainish or French coach would pass Foster’s criteria of having coached a team successfully in one of the more “tactical” leagues, be affordable for A-League clubs and would want to come to Australia to begin with? Foster lives in dreamland I’m afraid.
January 16th 2012 @ 5:43pm
Punter said | January 16th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
Magiliton did not exactly come from the premier league neither.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:02am
TomC said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Mike’s comments seem so sensible and logical that it seems amazing they have to be said at all. And yet one of Australia’s most senior footballing journalists sees no problem at all in making sweeping assumptions based on nationality.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:02am
CrossIT said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
This reminds me of school, where two of your mates are going at it, and then one drops the “too far call”. It’s always the one who drops the too far call who ends up getting bashed.
But seriously, who cares, it wasn’t racist, we are talking about football for heavens sake get a bit of perspective. That would be like saying, I won’t employ that company to install my air conditioning because they use Japanese AC units and I prefer US ones. That isn’t being racist, its just prefering one to the other.
Grow up Slater, you say it best yourself in commentary, handbags ladies, handbags.
January 16th 2012 @ 12:25pm
langou said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
or why do we always get Italian food, it’s becoming bland , we should look towards eating at an Asian restaurant tonight, it has more spices and flavor
January 16th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Axelv said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
How dare you say that about Italian food! If you think Italian food is bland you’re obviously not cooking it right!
January 16th 2012 @ 12:53pm
The Cattery said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Or you know too many Northerners, the very best flavours are in the extreme South.
Peter Robb’s great book, Midnight in Sicily, opens with him speculating about food that he has only found in the Vucciria market of Palermo.
But we must remember there is more than one South.
As Peter Robb writes: “There was no shouting at the Vucciria. We weren’t in Naples. People in Sicily moved with quiet purpose, and the cadence when you heard it was reproachful, not protesting.”
Robb writes that coffee gets better the further South you travel. He’s right.
January 16th 2012 @ 1:26pm
CrossIT said | January 16th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Cattery, your being racist to Northern Italians – c Robbie Slater
However, you’ve succesfully wetted my appetite for a Southern Italian lunch break… any tips on a good Cannoli in the greater Brisbane area?!?
January 16th 2012 @ 3:00pm
Roger said | January 16th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Oh how gloriously off topic we have gotten!
If you want true Italian food, you need to do it from scratch, and you need to do it right.
January 16th 2012 @ 5:35pm
The Cattery said | January 16th 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
CrossIT
The irony was not lost on me!
Good cannoli are very rare these days, most taste like they’ve come straight off a conveyor belt.
I can’t help you with Brisbane, but there are still at least two good outlets left in Melbourne – but barely 30 years ago there were dozens.
January 16th 2012 @ 7:55pm
Roon said | January 16th 2012 @ 7:55pm | Report comment
Le Bon Choux. Near the corner of Wharf and Queen, Dolce Sapori on Sandgate Rd, Clayfield & La Dolce Vita on Park Rd, Milton.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:07am
mahony said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Spot on Mike. And on a broader point about racism – I say to those Brits (or decendants thereof) out there offended by Foster. Without wishing for a minute to diminish any hurt caused, keep that in mind next time you are presented with an indigenous person or an African (or other) migrant/refugee who is experiancing the stain of racism on their lives. I dont wish to sugest their pain is greater – only that it is understandable……
January 16th 2012 @ 10:08am
striker said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
What about Slater articles about Harry Kewell and the World Cup fiasco 2 years ago his no better with his crapy articles knocking the legend that is Harry Kewell a icon to our game.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:28am
Matt F said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Foster’s comments are really quite poor. Not rcist, but these sweeping generalisations and stereotyping make him look foolish. As you’ve mentioned Mike SAF has had an OK managerial career! Harry Rednapp looks to be doing OK as well, Spurs certainly don’t play an ugly style of football. The 2 winners from last night, newcastle and Swansea played some very nice football (apart from Newcastle’s first 20 minutes) under their British managers.
Slater’s comments however were really poor. If you’re going to attack something that Foster wrote, attack the article itself, not the man personally. Bringing up the Tahitian incident is in very poor taste.
It probably just shows how average both of these pundits really are.
January 18th 2012 @ 11:35pm
Colin N said | January 18th 2012 @ 11:35pm | Report comment
15 of the managers in the Premier League are British or Irish. And with respect, surely if these other managers were so good in Australia then surely they would be managing in a better league than the A-League?
Also, the Championship is of a better standard than the A-League, although Magilton’s brief managerial record is mediocre. But having said that, Magilton wouldn’t be managing in the A-League if he was successful in England.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:37am
Futbanous said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Surely if the emphasis at Junior level is on finding the right balance between technique & the physical side of Football is struck,then its irrelevant where the coach comes from. The only proviso is that they are good coaches.
Australia is always going to be a mix regardless. That mix coming from the cultural background of our own players or the imports we bring in.
JIm Magilton has no influence on the football upbringing of his squad. His job is to get the best out of them.
At his disposal is Harry Kewell with great technique still for an Aussie player, Archie at times reminds me of the small nippy inside forwards of the past & Hernandez steeped in the Latino football traditions. Dissect the squad bit by bit & you see a similar story.
January 16th 2012 @ 10:57am
Roger said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Meh.
Let’s just see how JM goes shall we?
January 16th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Axelv said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Haven’t you been listening to Foster? JM is British and British coaches are regressive for Australian football!
Being British makes you a bad coach, being Spanish makes you the worlds best coach.
By the way Spain would have never have won any tournament if it weren’t for the core of their Barcelona team, and their Barcelona team was formed from Dutch coaches. Rinels, Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard.
Look outside of Barcelona and the rest of the Spain and their coaches is rubbish, Guadiola is merely riding the success that all the people before him has built.
January 16th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Al said | January 16th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
“Being British makes you a bad coach, being Spanish makes you the worlds best coach.”
Must be why Juande Ramos was such a success in that tactically inept, technically deficient EPL with Spurs, what was it, 2 points off of the first 10 games and languishing bottom of the league under the ex-Barcelona coach’s brilliance? It took one of those dastardly Englishmen, Harry Redknapp to turn them from relegation fodder into a Champions League team, of course playing nothing but long ball garbage!
January 16th 2012 @ 2:54pm
j binnie said | January 16th 2012 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
Axelv -A bad choice for a discussion in coaching attributes. Barcelona – Since 1917 when they started registering their coaches ie 95years, they have had 60 different coaches, 30 of them Spanish and the rest made up of probably every football “nationality” in Europe with even a few from South America
You mention 4 Dutch coaches as “forming” Barcelona when in fact Michels (Rinels??) didn’t go there until 1975 so he was well down the pecking order in coaches employed by the club and in fact,there were actually 3 English coaches around the same time,Terry Venables, Bobby Robson, $ Vic Buckingham. Michels the Dutch master coach didn’t actually do too well there having 2 spells of one year and Van Gall didn’t even get back for a second go. Cruyff could actually be described as their most successful coach simply because he was there longer than most and ,as the team’s “honour list” is stretched over the years he obviously won more than most. Just for your interest some of the others who have been there are Kubala (Hungarian),Mengotti (Argentine) and of course Herrerra and the present coach who were/are Spanish. jb
ps the average tenure of a coach is just over 1.5 seasons.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th 2012 @ 3:57pm
Axelv said | January 16th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
Jbinnie are you arguing just for the sake of it?
You do realise that Barcelona’s current philosophy for wanting to play attractive football is built on the total football of the late 60′s and 70′s? For Barcelona it started with Rinels in 1971.
Since 1971 to Now we have 17 coaches that were anything but Dutch with the exception of Terry Venables that didn’t last more than a year says it all. And you have 4 Dutch coaches spanning 24 seasons. We now have a Spanish coach who is Pep Guadiola in charge of Barcelona who has inherited same core of players that Rijkaard had built.
It’s pretty fair to say that the modern day Barcelona with their current philosophy is built and formed by the work of Rinels, Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard.
To generalize that all Spanish coaches are wonderful because of FC Barcelona which is a Spanish club as Foster implies is complete and total rubbish.
January 16th 2012 @ 5:29pm
j binnie said | January 16th 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
Axelv – You ask if I am arguing just for the sake of it.? For a start I am not arguing just citing facts about a subject you have brought up.
Let’s have another go.
“Total football” as it is erroneously known, being a description coined by the Dutch media, is widely accepted as having been displayed by the Dutch national side of 1974 and Ajax, after the English coach Buckingham had been sacked in 1965 to be succeeded by Rinus Michels(your Rinels) who again won the league with them in 1968.It is from this team that the “total football” description began to emanate despite the fact that Feyenoord were the first Dutch club to win the European Cup,not playing “TF” but using a 4-3-3- system introduced to them by their Austrian coach Ernst Happel.
Now another question. Why do you consider all Barcelona’s success began in 1971????
Before you say we are talking about “modern “football it is also widely accepted that the great Real Madrid side of 1955-1960 marked the starting point for the huge change in modern European football by winning the first 5 European Cups.
Now I have no argument about your 24 years of Dutch coaching influence but it has to be said this was not a CONTINUOUS 24 years,so there has been other “influences” to be considered is there not and your nominee Michels (Rinels) was only there for 3 seasons and Van Gall 2 seasons so if highlighting the Dutch influence it should also be highlighted this was mainly due to Cruyff and Rijkaards tenures, and neither of them has accomplished much since, Cruyff due to health reasons, Frank?????.
I am sorry,but I am not party to who set up Barcelona’s present philosophy or when it was commenced but I seriously doubt anyone could say with any certainty that it was definitely in 1971. jb
January 17th 2012 @ 2:22am
Axelv said | January 17th 2012 @ 2:22am | Report comment
How embarrassing of me to call him Rinels, although I still prefer that name
Anyway I found this paragraph on Wikipedia while will nicely summarize for you on why I think that Rinels (Rinus Michels)who came to Barcelona in, 1971 was the start of their Dutch philosophy to football, he (Rinels) was already succeeding and having Ajax play on what later became known as total football already in the 60′s.
-Wiki
“Michels returned to Ajax as head coach in 1965. Under his tenure and along with great players such as Johan Cruyff and Johan Neeskens, Ajax went from relegation candidates to a team that won the national championship four times and the KNVB Cup three times in the following six years. In 1969 they reached the final of the European Cup for the first time, being defeated 4-1 by Italian side A.C. Milan. In 1971, he managed Ajax’s to the first of three consecutive European Cups, a feat only achieved previously by the great Real Madrid team of Di Stefano and Puskas. While at Ajax, Michels modernized the game by introducing what became known as “Total Football” and using the offside trap (See also: Total football). He then moved to Barcelona in the second part of 1971, being joined by Johan Cruyff in 1973. With Michels and Cruyff, the team won the Primera División title in 1974, before Michels became manager of the Dutch national team”
As you know Real Madrid were the biggest team in Spain and if not the world at that time, and they were a club that was results driven (whilst having the worlds best players). It has made them the biggest and most successful team in Europe to date. Barcelona on the other hand had no such luck, but they wanted to build a club that played attacking football. And in came Michels, who had 2 lengthy terms at Barca, brought in his style of football from Ajax.
Also Buckingham, who you mentioned never won the League (La Liga). That Barcelona persisted with Dutch coaches despite not raking in the trophies over a long period of time suggests that they were committed to their aims.
The fact that there have been 17 different coaches at Barcelona who have not even lasted more than 1 season since 1971 says it all really, with only Terry Venables, Lattek and now Pep being the exceptions.
You see FC Barcelona play today with which the core of Pep’s players are the same that was there during Rijkaard. They’re also playing attacking football which has been brought to the club and maintained over long periods of time over the past 40 years by the likes of Michels, Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard.
Who do you think has had more influence at Barcelona over the past 40 years? The 17 disposable coaches that they went through, or the 4 Dutch coaches that spanned over 23 years combined. Which do you think has made more lasting impact on their club? I’ll let you make that decision.
January 17th 2012 @ 6:44pm
j binnie said | January 17th 2012 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
Axelv – Glad to see you have been surfing Wiki but you should remember it is not an infallible source of information as some of the contents are voluntary.
Now to get down to our discussion.You would have noted that I did give credit to both Cruyff and Rijkaard who IMO were both at Barca long enough to have an influence on their philosophy as I think Pepe has done in his recent 4 year tenure.
Now if I could suggest another 2 names for you to look up in Wiki ,(1) Hugo Meisl and (2) Willy Meisl.
Hugo was the master coach of the Austrian Wunderteam before WW11 and is widely credited, along with the rebel English coach Hogan, of starting the coaching revolution in Austria that was to spread through Europe moving to Italy,Hungary,Germany,Sweden,Brazil,England,Argentine,Holland and France.
Willy was Hugo’s younger brother and,as a top flight journalist, became one of football’s most widely read writers in the post war years. It is Willy who is credited with,having deep knowledge of his brothers work, changing Hugo’s “Viennese Whirl” theory into the “Dutch Whirl” when he noted how Dutch football was developing in the mid fifties. This is also widely recognised as the source for the name “Total Football” which, in fact, Michels, the supposed “father”, always denied having any knowledge of the source of that name.
Good reading ,it is a fascinating subject. jb
January 16th 2012 @ 11:15am
AGO74 said | January 16th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Foz is not racist but he is definitely prejudiced (there is a distinct difference between the two). Foz mentions German, Italian etc. Interesting Foz doesn’t include Dutch which is supposedly one of the best in the world. Why is that? Because we have seen that nationality doesn’t guarantee how good a coach is. As we’ve had greatness (Hiddink), we’ve also had average (Verbeek) and rubbish (Coolen).
Anyway, I agree with the sentiment of Mike’s well-written article.
January 16th 2012 @ 11:20am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 16th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Someone should tell that ‘Nincompoop Slatter’ that Fozzie is of Anglo Saxon heritage. How bizarre how can he be racist against his own heritage. Furthermore on the issue of football appointments the English FA appointed an Italian as the English manager so that must tell you something about where English football management has been in the last decade.
Now on the success story of Sir Alex Ferguson that can be contributed to his Portuguese assistant coach who showed him how to compete in European Football (UCL) on a consistent basis. The smartest thing that Sir Alex has done over his reign of English Football management was to abandon the British coaching influence and replace it with a Portuguese/Spanish football culture at his club. The rest is history long live the Fozz and we should all be grateful to him as we were with the late Johnny Warren telling us that the Brits may have invented the game but sure as hell don’t know how it should be played with style and beauty.
January 16th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Lucan said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
One can be racist in regards to their own race. Be it negatively or positively, a racist opinion is a racist opinion.
* Not suggesting Foster is racist. He’s having a crack at a nationality, and that’s different to a race (yet still prejudiced). If anything, this could possibly highlight Slater’s skewed view that British = Anglo.
January 16th 2012 @ 2:13pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 16th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
I’ll drink to that
Skrew Slater, btw I do remember Slater having a dig at Terry Venables (post match) when the Socceroos were knocked out of the WC by Iran saying Venables went to sleep on the bench and choosing the wrong subs. Replacing him no doubt with an Australian footballer who has an European name. Now is that racism…?
January 16th 2012 @ 12:45pm
Axelv said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Anyone can be racist against their own heritage.
From Wikipedia “Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term “racism” is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature (i.e. which harms particular groups of people), and which is often justified by recourse to racial stereotyping or pseudo-science.”
Saying British coaches suck because they are British is racism but it can’t be racism because there is no such thing as anti white racism in our PC world.
January 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
“Saying British coaches suck because they are British is racism but it can’t be racism because there is no such thing as anti white racism in our PC world.”
Axelv—–well thanks for your thoughts—-I seemed to have been vindicated in that last line
January 16th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Roger said | January 16th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
*cough* sarcasm *cough*
January 17th 2012 @ 7:05pm
j binnie said | January 17th 2012 @ 7:05pm | Report comment
QsAF – Careful my friend. AF has been at MU for 25 years and before that had a very,very successful tenure at Aberdeen where I think he would have got a lesson very early when the team Porto (from Portugal) beat Aberdeen narrowly in a European Cup Winners final. And of course he was preceded at MU with another 20 year man Matt Busby who also won an EC.
So what is it you are trying to tell us.When did this influential assistant coach enter the scene????
Now to your last statement. The coaching revolution is widely recognised as having been started in Austria by an Austrian Meisl aided by an Englishman Hogan who, in his later life, made no secret that his love of playing the short passing ,triangulated grouping,on the ground football had it’s roots in a game played by Scotland in the mid-twenties when they thrashed England 5-1. Look up “the wembley wizards” and that will give you a start point for learning on how tactics have evolved to the present day,not in 2 countries but probably nearer 10 or 12. Cheers jb
January 17th 2012 @ 9:15pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 17th 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
JB—thanks for your caution, but I know who Alex Ferguson is as a manager and even as a player. I saw him play for Rangers as a young centre forward at the old Sydney Show ground against Australia and I’m well aware of what his managerial success is with Man U. But I won’t worry too much at all what I have written—it was a confession of sorts from Sir Alex himself that I read quite a few years back now, saying that, if he was to have success in European competition he had to learn to play the game with more patience and sort the services of a very talented Portuguese assistant manager who also advised him to sign on a young 18yr old Cristiano Ronaldo, the rest is now history, thanks for your comment JB.
January 18th 2012 @ 12:03am
jbinnie said | January 18th 2012 @ 12:03am | Report comment
QsAF -Thanks for the reply. I too saw Alex play as a what they used to call a “rummel-em-up” centre forward but he played at a time when that style was passing out so had no great success as a player.I also attended his Aberdeen side’s loss to Porto in the ECWC when his team of local players ran Porto off the field but could not score.
Enough of the older history.
Lets go back to 2002 when AF signed up Carlos Queirez as his assistant.He was there for 1 season and apparently left with AF’s blessing to chase a bigger job. He failed for he was back at Old Trafford the next year and was there for 3 seasons to 2008.Again he left to chase glory.He didn’t last there either and was sacked 2 years later. He is now coaching the Iranian national team.
Now re. Alex’s supposed article concerning Portuguese football and him having to learn how to play it???
Since 1990 Portuguese teams (Porto) have won the European Cup once. In that same time frame Man U. have won that same trophy twice and been runners-up twice,so I would take AF’s words with a pinch of salt.
Now perhaps he was talking about teaching his “academy” how to play like the Spanish or Portuguese,but with the aforementioned figures I would doubt he was having problems in Europe that he thought could be cured by an assistant manager with a somewhat dubious coaching record since his brief stays at Manchester. Good discussion. Cheers jb
January 18th 2012 @ 9:24am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 18th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Well that’s what Sir Alex said in the interview I don’t doubt it for one moment. Success comes with clubs that have all the right infrastructure in place and Carlos may have brought some training techniques to Man U that the old British style didn’t have. The fact remains while Carlos was there with Sir Alex they had a good thing going and had the success from what Carlos brought with him. Now we have seen that Man U were knocked out very earlier in the UCL. Not saying that if Carlos had stayed they would have continued their success story, but Sir Alex is not having the same enjoyment as his neighbour across the road this time around who happens to be an Italian. Poor Carlos when he moved house he didn’t realise that it also takes a heap of money at a club to buy you fame.
January 18th 2012 @ 12:17pm
j binnie said | January 18th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
QsAF – Mate, you believe what you like, that is your right. Maybe I’m a bit more cynical than you but when a coach goes to a club as an assistant for 1 season,leaves & goes to another,(Real Madrid), & gets the heave after that year, goes back to Man U. for another 3 seasons and then leaves to become the Portugal national team manager,where he lasts 2 seasons and then is given the chop, I doubt very much if he would have much influence on a guy who has had over 30 years experience,most of that with winning teams. After Carlos left Man Utd did win the ECL and then finished runners up twice in the next 4 years so maybe he did wave a magic wand, but I stopped believing in miracles a long time ago. Cheers for now jb
January 18th 2012 @ 12:40pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 18th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
JB—-I reckon you are too cynical and I on the other hand have no reason to doubt the words of Sir Alex—sometimes the chemistry works wonders, whereas at other clubs it doesn’t. For me there was a stark difference in how Man U use to play when they approached a UCL fixture to that of when they played a fixture in the EPL ie in style and patience. I will believe what Sir Alex stated as gospel. As for the interview (article) it was a long time ago—I can’t forward it on to you so let’s agree to disagree… cheers.
January 18th 2012 @ 11:42pm
Colin N said | January 18th 2012 @ 11:42pm | Report comment
“Furthermore on the issue of football appointments the English FA appointed an Italian as the English manager”
Who has been woeful.