The burden of being NSW among the rest of you lot
By Bay35Pablo, 17 Jan 2012 Bay35Pablo is a Roar Guru
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I cannot claim credit for the idea of this topic of discussion, which was discussed at length one Friday afternoon by a number of wise men over a few beers in a pub.
The question of what it means to be a New South Welshman (or woman) arose in the context of the ancient rivalry in rugby between New South Wales and Queensland.
The rivalry probably arose three minutes after the first Aboriginal tribe crossed the Darling and proceeded to look down their noses at their northern kin. However, it is a great question.
Part of that answer lies in how New South Wales fits into Australia generally. The most populous state, the biggest and best-known city, the financial centre, and the hottest property market (at least until recently when Perth might have pipped it). Traditionally the powerhouse and engine of Australia’s economy.
It is to Australia what California or New York are to the US, London to the UK, or Paris to France. That affects how the state sees itself.Regional New South Wales often complains that ‘NSW’ stands for Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong, but that is another article in itself.
In sporting terms, New South Wales sees itself in the same way. It was the state where many sports first started (Australian rules football excepted, but more on that later), the first clubs started, and was involved in building codes from the beginning with other states. The advantage that New South Wales had in population and money was even more pronounced in the 19th century, which meant New South Wales enjoyed success from the beginning, and got used to it.
Take cricket. The Sheffield Shield began in 1892 between NSW, Victoria, and South Australia. The next team, Queensland, did not join until 1926. New South Wales has won 45 titles, the most. How can such a pedigree and history not create a certain expectation, and a certain (mostly un-Australian, therefore reluctantly declared) pride?
Such histories of success and expectation apply in most sports.
The other factor that affects how New South Wales sees itself is how others states regard it. To put it bluntly, usually with a chip on their shoulder.
In cricket there was in previous years (and sometimes still is) the comment that a baggy green cap was given out with a New South Wales cap, such was the (allegedly biased and unfair) domination of New South Wales players of the national team.
The same complaint has often been raised by Queensland rugby about New South Wales players, although usually as part of the inevitable build up before an interstate clash.
Yet the need for Adam Gilchrist to go to WA or Ed Cowan to go to Tasmania just to get a state cap suggests New South Wales cricketer are entitled to feel it is tougher to get into the New South Wales squad than any other. Similar arguments might be raised for the New South Wales Waratahs.
Australians love to cut down tall poppies, and in state terms New South Wales is the tallest poppy of all. Biggest population, biggest playing numbers, best record and highest expectations. Australians love to support (and to be) the underdog, and New South Wales usually isn’t it. If New South Wales are winning, it’s incentive to bring them down. If they are down, put the slipper in and enjoy it while you can because the blue buggers will come back eventually.
In some ways New South Wales are the England (in cricket and rugby more than football), or the New York Yankees, of the Australian sporting scene. Respected for their ability but reviled by all.
In English football the fans would probably reply with a chant from the terraces along the lines of “Nobody likes us, everyone hates us! We’re New South Wales! We don’t care!” However, this isn’t the response Australians tend to take. Instead, New South Wales players and fans seem stuck in the worst of both worlds. Weighed down by expectation, but usually unable or reluctant to rely upon pride to inspire victories. Puzzled by the vitriol, but reluctant or unable to revel in it.
I once suggested to someone in marketing at the Waratahs (he knows who he is, and he’s the one who raised the current topic), that New South Wales was the Empire in Star Wars. We should have the team run out with the Imperial March. Have fans in storm trooper helmets, and Darth Vader marching up the sideline instead of Tah Man. Revel in the fact we are the bad guys everyone loves to hate. Embrace it and make it a badge of honour.
So the answer to the question? To be a New South Welshman is to have a proud tradition and history. To have been successful and to expect it. It also means (to revel in the role of smug bastards) to be able to look down our noses at our state rivals in the following terms.
Victoria – Usually our main rivals, but doomed to be bridesmaids. Insanely jealous of our harbour and snazzier state, trying to top it with vague allegations of better lifestyle, food, and coffee. A bunch of espresso-sipping turtleneck wearers or VB-chugging bogans un-Australianly fanatical about AFL, which no other country in the world cares about.
Queensland – Huge chips on shoulders about New South Wales, to the point their identity is mainly they aren’t us. Banjo-playing rednecks who need to realise Brisbane isn’t cosmopolitan, it has just caught up to Sydney circa 1970. Concede the chip provides passion, but XXXX? Bleh.
South Australia – Country town and wineries on the edge of a desert that seems to either want to be or reject Victoria in equal measure. People can’t seem to leave quick enough. Good thing they make Coopers.
Western Australia – Latent separatists who ignore the fact that we wouldn’t notice if they left. Respect for their pluck and ability given their small size. Queensland without the New South Wales chip. Which is to say, they hate the rest of Australia equally, not just us.
Tasmania – Inbred cousin-marriers barely worth paying attention to, except when they occasionally cough out legends like Boonie, Punter and Errol Flynn.
ACT – An interconnected bunch of roundabouts past Goulburn notable only for porn, pot and fireworks. Only exist as Melbourne wouldn’t let Sydney be the capital.
Northern Territory – Where?
New South Wales, in response, seems to stand around trying to look cool, waiting for everyone to come up and tell us how good we are, and wondering why they keep kicking us in the shins whenever they can.
Well, enough of that confused humility. As far as I’m concerned, New South Wales should embrace its status. New South Welshmen should stand shoulder to shoulder, wearing the sky-tinged colours of the state, chanting “We’re big, we’re blue, and we’re going to beat you!”
Let the ripostes commence.
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January 17th 2012 @ 11:07am
Bay35Pablo said | January 17th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Hmmm, that made it through the editor relatively intact.
BTW, the tongue was firmly in the cheek for the bashing of other states, for those slow on the up take …
January 17th 2012 @ 11:30am
Bay35Pablo said | January 17th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Oh, and the editor added “among the rest of you lot” to the title.
January 17th 2012 @ 11:32am
Nathan of Perth said | January 17th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
AHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
January 17th 2012 @ 11:40am
BigAl said | January 17th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
I agree ! – BAHhahahahaha… …
January 17th 2012 @ 12:12pm
BennO said | January 17th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
“It is to Australia what California or New York are to the US, London to the UK, or Paris to France. That affects how the state sees itself.”
That affects how the state sees itself???
That describes how the state deludes itself is more like it.
NSW is what Greece is to Europe. What Berlusconi is to Italy. So completely unaware of their own failings and inadequacies due in large part to their inability to understand what hard work really means and aptly demonstrated by the long history of plundering QLD playing stocks to bolster their own teams with real men and women.
Now don’t get me wrong, as a QLDer I completely accept your characterisation of me and my fellow rednecks. I even admire your attempt at self awareness. But I still curse you and your kind every time a poncy blue footy jersey crosses my TV screen.
January 17th 2012 @ 12:30pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 17th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Sorry, I forgot Victoria is carrying us bludgers.
Or is it Queensland? Or WA?I keep forgetting.
January 17th 2012 @ 1:01pm
BennO said | January 17th 2012 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
I thought the editors made it clear this morning, it’s the rest of us lot!
January 17th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Allan of Sydney said | January 17th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Awesome. Love it. Its the same feeling I get.
January 17th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Brendon said | January 17th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Love it !!!!
January 17th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Big Steve said | January 17th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
loved the imperial death march and evil empire. Anything would be better than Tahman.
January 17th 2012 @ 1:15pm
The Cattery said | January 17th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
This NSW-Victoria rivalry is a myth, at least I can say with confidence that it is never in the minds of your average Victorian, especially during the footy season.
Victorians just don’t get into this sort of stuff – we enjoy the good life and always have – we want for nothing.
I think it’s understandable that it doesn’t exist in the minds of Victorians, and anyway, the Southern quarter of NSW looks like Victoria anway. We are entirely at home there. We talk the same language. We follow the same religion.
January 17th 2012 @ 2:04pm
JVGO said | January 17th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
They never think about Sydney down south….ever
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/01/12/afl-in-sydney-keeps-on-growing/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/01/08/a-visit-to-western-sydney/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/01/10/hes-an-ideas-man-sheeds/
January 17th 2012 @ 3:37pm
The Cattery said | January 17th 2012 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
What does any of that have with the myth of NSW-Victoria rivalry in the consciousness of the Victorian public? It doesn’t. Honestly, Victorians don’t care for it. We live the good life, and we have always lived the good life.
January 17th 2012 @ 2:53pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 17th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Nice to see cricket, the truly national game, doesn’t matter anymore.
And don’t think of it? Piffle. I deal with Melbournites all the time, and they never want for taking a cheap shot if they can. I just sit in my ivory tower and throw cake at them.
January 17th 2012 @ 9:14pm
The Link said | January 17th 2012 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
Less Victoria v NSW and more Melbourne v Sydney.
People from Melbourne are obsessed with saying how great Melbourne is, in particular why its better than Sydney.
Sydneysiders are too busy whinging about their own city to worry about anyone else.
But this is typical of largest cities in a country (think London / New York etc..)
January 17th 2012 @ 10:46pm
TJ said | January 17th 2012 @ 10:46pm | Report comment
You Sydney people are so deluded. I lived in London for eight years, I’ve lived in Sydney for the last three, where my wife is from. I’ve been to New York a dozen times over the last decade. Firstly, Sydney is not what New York and London are to their respective countries, despite the number of Sydneysiders who keep trying to make the comparison. Sydney’s population is not that much bigger than Melbourne’s. You also realize that Melbourne CBD is also the busiest business district in Australia followed by Sydney CBD then North Sydney. Melbourne is also HQ to six of Australia’s top ten public listed companies. I could go on but I won’t, as you should get the point. Don’t get me wrong, Sydney is Australia’s leading international city, home to Australia’s media and finance sector, but any comparison to London and New York is typical Sydney delusion much like the hero of the city, Kyle Sandilands or Lara Bingle.
You also realize that Sydney as a majority is Western Sydney. People on the Lower North Shore, where I live and in the Eastern Suburbs keep telling me that isn’t Sydney. Guess what, it is! Don’t proclaim your city when you aren’t proud of three quarters if it. Perhaps you should really be comparing your city to Joburg or Rio.
January 18th 2012 @ 3:23am
BennO said | January 18th 2012 @ 3:23am | Report comment
Zing!
Did someone just rain some reality on this parade???
January 18th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 18th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
I’m sorry, I thought I was using similar or metaphor as an easy way to explain it. I wasn’t aware people might take it is an invitation to engage in detailed arguments about geography, demography and economy.
Each country is different. That was an easy way of explaining we see ourselves as the biggest swinging d!cks in the country, correctly or not.
Heaven forbid we might debate the main issue of the article, which is what it means to be a NSWman. To you it appears to mean being deluded.
PS Sydney is Western Sydney. As opposed to Melbourne’s untrammelled miles of sophisticated chardonnay sipping, macchiato sipping culture vultures. My grandparents live near North Coburg. It’s just as much wogs and bogans as Western Sydney.
January 20th 2012 @ 9:22pm
The Link said | January 20th 2012 @ 9:22pm | Report comment
Actually by Sydney being the leading international city in Australia, that’s precicely what it has in common with London and New York.
What a shame its CBD is not the ‘busiest’ though, that one’s up there with being the worlds most ‘liveable’ city
January 22nd 2012 @ 11:32pm
TJ said | January 22nd 2012 @ 11:32pm | Report comment
Link – fair call challenging any loose claim, which there are too many of on the roar. So to source my definition of ‘busiest’, which may not be the right term, please refer to the Financial Review, dated 22nd of Sept, 2011, which ranked Australia’s business districts based on number of people employed.
January 17th 2012 @ 1:15pm
JVGO said | January 17th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Yes, as i was watching the episode of Great Cities of the World – Sydney, last Thursday i was thinking do they show this in the rest of Australia (how cruel) or do they have other episodes they substitute in for it, Like Ok Cities of the World – Melbourne, or Other places in the World – Perth.
I did think the show was pretty convincingly great, especially the Pommie host’s legitimate awe and envy. Except how he managed to get inside the Petersham RSL by ferry was difficult for me to comprehend so maybe there was some selective editing involved.
January 17th 2012 @ 1:35pm
Renegade said | January 17th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
It’s only January, yet this is hands down the roar post of the year!!! lol
CLASSIC!!
January 17th 2012 @ 1:51pm
crashy said | January 17th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Haha so true!!
NSW good
Rest of aus bad.