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In the business world, managing expectations is a crucial ability. Estimates are supplied to a project manager, who takes into account the resources we have at our disposal, our ability and experience, the complexity of the task at hand, and any potential roadblocks that could stop a timely delivery.
We take this approach because it’s a way of making a commitment without making a commitment.
Save for an extraordinary development either way, you get a result without surprising or disappointing anyone.
The same is quickly becoming true in professional sport. We seek solace in the fact our club is ‘taking it one week at a time’. When they do not publicly identify targets, we are told ‘being up for the challenge’ should suffice. Justifying a game plan becomes ‘doing the simple things right’, opponents are ‘unpredictable’, and unsavoury types ‘colourful’.
It seems an entire language has popped up to lessen the blow of perceived failure, and while this is sensible to a degree, smoothing out the lows can also smoothen out the highs. It can stop people daring to dream.
Let me use my beloved Melbourne Rebels as an example.
In our first year, expectations weren’t really an issue. If the players turned up and tried as hard as they could, the die-hards were thrilled. We finally had the game we loved in Victoria, represented by a group of outstanding young gentlemen who believed in the culture that the club was trying to foster. Our expectation was to begin building something we could be proud of, and in this respect, the Rebels were a raging success.
As the franchise enters its second year, and the new becomes the familiar, a greater spotlight will be shone on the on-field exploits of the Rebels.
The side will, rightly, attempt to manage the expectations of a membership, and a public that is split between appreciating the need for patience, and equating the team’s high-profile recruits with instant success.
Said recruits, on their first day in front of the cameras at their new home, put it perfectly. James O’Connor, when asked about his expectations for the year, stated “[I] don’t want to look too far ahead, but if you look at the training, everything’s coming together really well”.
Kurtley Beale answered the same question with: “We’ll take it game by game and face the challenges ahead of us.”
Both answers are fair enough. How should either player know what to expect when they have just begun playing in a new environment, especially one that has yet to fully define itself?
What happens, though, when these answers become rote? Do we risk mediocrity becoming a par score? It can be argued that both the Western Force and the Waratahs have been victims of expectation over-management. The Force are entering their seventh season without a finals appearance, a fact met with silent chagrin by most Force fans I have encountered, and the Waratahs have the words ‘long suffering’ so ingrained into their culture, they have to hold fan forums to placate their membership, potentially becoming the club with ten thousand coaches.
As I said previously, the problem is not the managing of expectations. It is forgetting the ability to dream.
For those of you who have children in your lives, you’ll understand what I mean. That period, early in their lives, where all you can do is dream of what they might be, of what they could achieve, of all the things they are capable of. I’ve only seen it in cousins of mine, but even then, it’s incredible.
This is what I think the Force and the Waratahs lost, and something I want all Rebels supporters to cling on to, in the nascent stages of our club’s existence. By all means, be realistic in what you expect of the club in the immediate future, but don’t be afraid to dream of what will be.
Here’s one to get you started: I honestly believe the Melbourne Rebels will win Super Rugby before the Waratahs do. We are a well-built club with a second-to-none culture. The fact that we are a private for-profit business directly links successes on-field and successes in the boardroom. We worked long and hard to earn the privilege to enter Super Rugby, and as such, we will not be an also-ran. We are based in the sporting capital of the world, and your average Melbourne punter loves a winner, any winner.
Compare this to a union-run team that sees success in this competition as an entitlement that they have constantly been denied, and the result is a certainty, right?
Maybe it’s not that simple.
It’s possible this belief is just the product of my natural dislike of the Waratahs, combined with an appreciation of how funny it would be to see NSW bested in its chosen sport by all of its neighbouring territories. But we can dream. No matter what may come our way in this season, or any other, we can dream.
So, people of Victoria, I implore you: buy your memberships, grab your jersey, get your scarf, and prepare to board the ride of your life a second time. Whatever happens, keep this in the back of your mind.
We can win Super Rugby, Melbourne, and one day, we will.
Never forget that.
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January 19th 2012 @ 7:22am
anopinion said | January 19th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
The Force recruited heavily and threw big money around when they entered the fray, what they ended up with was a squad of players that cared more about money than team. Did Melbourne recruit Beale and O’Connor using the club culture argument or did these guys get a pay raise? If the Rebels truly do have a squad of “outstanding young gentlemen who believed in the culture that the club was trying to foster” will the addition of big money players affect the future in a positive or negative way?
It seems the success of a team is based more on talent produced than talent purchased. What is Melbourne doing to produce its own players?
January 19th 2012 @ 8:15am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:15am | Report comment
The Rebels and the VRU have an entire program devoted to developing rugby within the state, called Rebel Rugby – http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/Community/RebelRugby.aspx. This program brought Lloyd Johannson back to the Rebels and will probably see the likes of Dave Hardisty from Melbourne RFC recruited next year.
It’s a fair point you raise, culture v money, but the point is that such recruits will be judged on their adherence to the culture rather than strictly ‘bang for buck’. I would expect the same standards Cipriani was held to would be applied. I agree that a team can not be bought, but I think the Rebels are setting the bar high enough so that it hopefully won’t be an issue.
January 19th 2012 @ 2:16pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
When starting from near zero, anything extra looks great.
January 19th 2012 @ 8:15am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:15am | Report comment
Interesting choice of headline, editors
January 19th 2012 @ 11:06am
Sam Taulelei said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Nice article Stuart and welcome to the Roar.
The editors do exercise a degree of artistic license with headlines but you have to admit, it’s raised people’s interest. I’m looking forward to another season following the Rebels as my favourite non Kiwi team because I live here.
With the signing of John Muggleton as defence coach there should be significant gains in that area judging on Muggles previous form with other teams. If the Rebels can add more sting and variety in their attack, the Rebels have two players in O’Connor and Beale who can finish opportunities which is where I always felt the Rebels were lacking last season. The backs were one paced and there was no express strike weapon out wide.
While Cooper Vuna had his moments, he was more effective 40 metres out from the line.
It remains to be seen how much involvement Mortlock will have on the field this year, age is an opponent that can never be beaten and injuries take longer to recover from.
January 19th 2012 @ 11:45am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Haha nah I’ve written here before and I love the headline. Just didn’t expect it to be so direct!
If it’s one thing the Rebels need, it’s a bit of swagger, which is why I wrote the article, to try and convince people to believe that we could win the title one day.
January 19th 2012 @ 2:17pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Swagger doesn’t win friends. Just look at us Tahs ….
January 19th 2012 @ 11:54am
peterlala said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
The headline piqued my interest, so well done editors. SF, nice story and welcome to the roar.
Would love more inights into the Rebels…and rugby at large. Well done.
One point, you say the words ‘long-suffering” are ingrained into the Waratah culture. You are wrong. Such honesty is banned by Waratah management, the correct term is “rebuilding”.
January 19th 2012 @ 8:19am
Darwin Stubbie said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
‘We worked long and hard to earn the privilege to enter Super Rugby’ … Not on the place it matters most and basically sums up SR …
January 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm
soapit said | January 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
crypitic
January 19th 2012 @ 8:41am
formeropenside said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
If the Rebels do win a title before the Tahs (if they Tahs ever do) it would make me laugh.
January 19th 2012 @ 8:58am
Will Sinclair said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Stuart, I’ll be heading down to Melbourne in a few weeks to watch my beloved Waratahs play the Rebels.
If I see you in the crowd after we both witness another huge Waratahs win, I’ll be sure to remind you of this article!
(I am only hoping that the bookies are generous enough to pay for my trip again this year – they put the Waratahs up at -6.5 points in the line betting last season and it’s fair to say I laid right into that! Money for jam. I’ll be taking the Tahs to cover the line and win 13+ again, and I fully expect to be farting through silk again!)
January 19th 2012 @ 10:13am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
We can dream, Will
haha
January 19th 2012 @ 9:00am
King of the Gorgonites said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
ha love it. Nice way to remind Tahs fans of our lack of success over the last 17 years!
I do think the Rebels will have a much stronger year on the field. they are now in a position to better defend, score tries with x-factor palyers, and grind out the tight games. Mid table finish, with an outside chance of a semi-berth.
How is the Rebel army coming along this year? i notice that you have your own section set aside for the rebel army, and can buy a membership for the rebel army. how are those memberships selling and memberships overall?
January 19th 2012 @ 9:11am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
It’s alright mate, once we win a few we’ll let you take a swing gratis
haha!
A mid-table finish would be amazing. It really all depends on how the forwards stack up. I think they’ve been massively underrated and played exceptionally well last year without a cohesive game plan. Throw Muggleton into the mix and they’re pretty dangerous.
Memberships are going pretty well, up to about 5.5k which is a lot more than the same time last year, a lot of renewals too. The target set by the club is 10k which would be incredible, and the media push has just begun this week to get the new folk in.
The RAB membership is really a general membership with a few extra offers at the same price, but also going well from what we’ve heard. The Rebels are trying to get us more involved in the business of the club this year which is great.
January 19th 2012 @ 9:34am
King of the Gorgonites said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Thats great that there is good communication between the fans and the organisation. Thats a smart move to get the Army involved. The worse thing to happen is a disconnect between the fans and the club, as had happened to some HAL clubs and the Tahs in the past.
The RAB brought a new kind of support to Rugby games, which was sorely needed. The Tahs seemed to get on board late in the piece last year, with a similiar concept. More vocal crowd makes for a better game and atmosphere. with more day time games next year as well, i expect 2012 to be the most vocal year from supporters, thanks largely to the precedent set down by the RAB.
January 19th 2012 @ 9:02am
Sailosi said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Victoria has already produced a number of current Super Rugby players. Digby Ioane, Siliva Siliva, Ben Tapuai, Christian Lealefano.
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January 19th 2012 @ 9:12am
Justin said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Correct and numerous others before that with David Palavi, Tamaiti Horua and the big prop David Fitter. We have had more top level players from VIC than WA, that is for sure…
January 19th 2012 @ 10:31am
Will Sinclair said | January 19th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Don’t forget Link McKenzie.
January 19th 2012 @ 5:43pm
p.Tah said | January 19th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
In the 1939 Wallaby tour to the UK (which was cancelled just as they arrived because war broke out) there were 4 Victorians in the squad of 29: George Pearson, Andy Barr, Max Carpenter and Stan Bisset. Weary Dunlop may well have been in the team as well had he been playing in Australia but at the time (aged 32) he was training to be a surgeon in London.
In 1933, 1935 and 1938 Victoria beat NSW in the instate matches. Rugby had a strong following in Melbourne during the 1930s (well behind the VFL in popularity).
February 1st 2012 @ 2:04pm
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | February 1st 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
I am in the middle of Peter Fitzsimons’ “Kokoda”, which has a fair bit on Stan Bisset and his brother Butch.
January 19th 2012 @ 7:21pm
anopinion said | January 19th 2012 @ 7:21pm | Report comment
How many of these guys finished high school in Melbourne? Do they stay or do they travel up to NSW and QLD to develop?
January 20th 2012 @ 9:59am
Justin said | January 20th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Mixture of the two – back in my day Palavi, Horua and Fitter played all their schoolboy rugby in Melbourne. The trend in the mid 90s onwards was scholarships from mainly QLD schools, particularly TSS.
It will be interesting to see if that changes with the Rebels now in town.
January 19th 2012 @ 9:36am
jimmyjam said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Out come the Tah bashers again………… As a rugby fan first and a tahs fan second, it’s both sad and hilarious to hear all the crap from the other Aussie SR franchises giving the tahs a bit if a serve.
The vitriol can be quite severe, and it is based usually on envy and ignorance. Considering NSW produces over 60% of all of Australia’s
professional players, every team in the country is based on a core group of Waratah products, even the Qld reds are more like the barbarians with Tahs, Kiwis, fijians, etc making up the squad along with a NSW coach who won the title for them.
No doubt the Reds cheer squad will make lame protests about their ‘adopted’ reds being local product….. just like the Qld SOO rugby league squad, but it’s just a load of BS that makes them feel better about themselves.
Approx figures are.
Brumbies squad is at 50% NSW, 50% the rest
Qld squad is 25% NSW , the rest made up of Brumbies, NZ etc with about 50% true local.
Force is about 60% NSW.
Rebels are 55% NSW with the rest from qld plus kiwis and poms
Tahs are at 80% local with the rest Qld and SA.
So it will probably make you cry into your weetbix if you are a Tahs basher, but there can be no doubt that the Tahs are pretty much the motor that drives rugby in this country
January 19th 2012 @ 10:11am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Reminds me of West Ham in English football. Sell themselves as ‘The Academy of Football’ yet can’t hold on to enough players to have a ping themselves.
January 19th 2012 @ 10:34am
Will Sinclair said | January 19th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
I am pretty sure we Tahs fans will get the last laugh this season Jimmy.
Injuries permitting (and after last year, surely we’re due some luck) I think the Waratahs will finish clearly on top of the Aussie conference.
Even with a virtual 2nd XV for parts of last season, we still beat all the other Australian teams, only losing to the Reds up in QLD when their scrum somehow (hmmmm) held off a late game assault.
Go and put your cash on the Tahs to top the Aussie conference, and then start thinking about how you’ll spend your winnings.
January 19th 2012 @ 11:03am
jameswm said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Kurtley is our big loss though, Will. And I wish they’d pensioned off Baxter a year earlier, so we could have kept Dan Palmer. That was a huge loss.
We’ve still got a good backline without him (Kurtley, not Palmer), but not as penetrative. Still, our new halves pairing could be very good, and Horne plays a full season to his potential, we’ve come on.
With Mumm removed from the leadershiop group to focus on his game, the assumption is that his spot in the XV, and possibly the 22, is under threat. A Vickerman and Timani lock pairing has the mouth watering.
I agree, if they stay fit (TPN, Palu, Robinson, Rocky, Barnes, Horne etc don’t have the best recent records), they are bloody strong on paper. I just hope they learn how to put teams away. They have the makings with a brutally physical pack, a very good fetcher (Alcock), strong halves pairing and speed out wide.
As for putting it all together – who could be b9old enough to pick the tahs to win it. I guess making the semis isn’t a big call, as they’ve done that maybe 4 times in the last 6 years. But you have to top your conference and finish 1-2. In fact, you really need to finish 1 to have a good chance at winning the thing, to get your home final.
January 19th 2012 @ 11:09am
Sam Taulelei said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
“you really need to finish 1 to have a good chance at winning the thing, to get your home final.”
True or don’t have to travel to the Republic, flying across the Tasman isn’t as arduous.
January 19th 2012 @ 2:19pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Like your analysis jameswm.
January 20th 2012 @ 10:42am
Comrade Bear said | January 20th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Yeah – it is a very Tidy Tahs team this year – especially the forward pack.
I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how the Tahs:
a) new Number 7 goes
b) new Captain goes
c) new Coach goes
d) new non-winning-ugly-gameplan goes
e) new injuries to Rocky, Palu, Vickerman, Horne, TPN and Barnes go
I reckon you’ll be in good shape by the end of this loooong season.
January 19th 2012 @ 11:41am
Mike G said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Agree WS…I’m pretty bullish this yr re the Tahs, but as ever it’ll depend on keeping our best 15-20 players on the park. Clearly this is easier said than done. I like the fact that there’s a few old timers with a point to prove (Rocky, Vics, Palu), quality youth like Timani, Douglas and Alcock (who I think could end up being an outstanding #7). The whole forward pack is a good mix of grunt, speed and (crucially), experience.
And the backs? We have spark in Pretorius and Mitchell, calm under pressure in Barnes and AAC, speed in Turner, and agression in Horne and Carter…this is a good side who need to step up this year as they are not getting any younger, with a top 2 finish a minimum.
Go Tahs
January 19th 2012 @ 2:20pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Don’t forget Kane Douglas. I rate him as a lock. Bit of mongerel in that boy.
Losing Mowen might hurt though. He had it too. Palu better stay fit.
January 19th 2012 @ 5:26pm
Working Class Rugger said | January 19th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Douglas suffered a bit from the old second year syndrome last year but I’m hoping to see him get that giant frame of his back into some form this season. If he can it’s a spectacular position to find yourself in. You start each match (well hopefully) with two giant, quite athletic locks and when one gets tired bring on yet another giant, quite athletic lock. The Tahs pack should dominate the Aus conference and dare I say it most of the competition, and with the addition of Vickerman and his well noted extreme levels of mongrel, hopefully this season we will finally see a Tahs pack with a deep ingrained ruthless streak. If they achieve that, even without Beale (who is a big loss, they better be planning to bring him back at the end of his Rebels contract) their backline should score plenty.
January 19th 2012 @ 11:30am
Emuarse said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
@Jimmyjam. Considering that 6 of the Tahs squad came from Queensland club/porvincial rugby, your critism is not rweally warrented.
January 19th 2012 @ 12:49pm
formeropenside said | January 19th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
The Reds are 25% NSW – how do you get that out of Beau R and Dave McDuling? Maybe Humphries was a NSW schoolboy, but I think he played pretty much all his first serious rugby in Brisbane (which is a little closer to Moree than Sydney is).
Most of the Reds are former Qld Schoolboys – its simpler to say that the ones that arent in addition to the above are Shep, AWH (WA) and the Finger twins (who are from ACT, not NSW). Plus Samo and Harris from Fiji and NZ, to be fair.
If the Tahs produce all these 60%+ players, then why are their best ones former Qld schoolboys – Elsom, Barnes, and Mitchell? Throw in Vickerman as first playing in Qld when he arrived in Australia, and McKibbin, and ts likely there are more Queenslanders playing for the Tahs than vice versa.
NSW produces the quantity of Super Rugby players – Qld produces the quality.
January 19th 2012 @ 2:01pm
jimmyjam said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Or you could say Qld rebrand the quality ones….. How about this for a list of rebranded Reds…
Genia from PNG
Cooper from NZ
Digby from Melbourne
Tapou from Melbourne
Gill from Adelaide via Melbourne
Feauai-Sautia NZ/Samoa
And a classic Qld rebrand with young Seuteni ,recruited from Adelaide on a one year scholarship by TSS to complete his final year of high school, no doubt he will soon join the ranks of great ‘locally produced reds’ along with our old family favourites chris latham, sam cordingly, michael foley et al!!
And the myth continues…………..
January 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Jiggles said | January 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Genia didn’t even know Rugby existed until he moved to Brisbane at age 13. I was Watching Cooper at age 14 for Souths Juniors in Brisbane, Digby has been in Brisbane since he was 14, I have been watching him since then. I have been watching Gill since he was 11 in Brisbane.
Those blokes all developed as rugby players in Queensland, and are all Queenslanders.
January 20th 2012 @ 12:12pm
Jiggles said | January 20th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
And I’ll add you can keep Barnes, he is now a New South Welshman in my eyes
January 19th 2012 @ 2:08pm
jameswm said | January 19th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
fos the Fainga’as are from NSW. Born in NSW, went to school in NSW and played for a NSW club team.
How you can claim Vickerman as a Qlder with a straight face is beyond me.
Rocky was pinched from rugby league without playing senior rugby in Qld, I believe. Gutsy call by NSW proven a good one.
McKibbin got into the Tahs through his club exploits in NSW, whether or not he played in Qld first.
One good S15 year and Qlders think they own the place.
January 19th 2012 @ 3:07pm
formeropenside said | January 19th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Actually, McKibbin was signed to the Tahs Academy from the Qld Academy, after playing Super Rugby games for Qld.
January 19th 2012 @ 5:40pm
mitchwally said | January 19th 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
Since when was St. Edmunds College in NSW? That’s why they kicked them out of the Waratah Shield after winning it 7 years in a row, because they’re in the ACT!
January 19th 2012 @ 1:17pm
Gavin Norman said | January 19th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
You forgot the 1% VIC in Lloyd Johansson
January 19th 2012 @ 1:33pm
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Actually, 1/35 is ~2.86%.
We’re on the increase!
January 19th 2012 @ 7:57pm
anopinion said | January 19th 2012 @ 7:57pm | Report comment
You are aware that members of the NSW squad are from places other than NSW? Elsom, Mitchell and Bares are from Qld and Vickerman from SA. Perhaps someone better acquainted with the Tahs can list others.
January 19th 2012 @ 8:12pm
anopinion said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:12pm | Report comment
Genia went to school in Brisbane from year 8 having never played rugby. Elsom played rugby all through school in Brisbane and for the Noosa Pirates. He signed with RL post school, he is however a Qlder and a product of rugby.
January 19th 2012 @ 9:51am
sheek said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
One of the huge things the Rebels have going for them is the solid foundations they have laid.
Or, from my 6 month experience of a part-time building course, technically speaking, footings come before foundations. Anyway, the Rebels have laid outstanding footings & foundations.
The club already has an exemplary ethos & a tradition to pass on from generation to generation of players. Generally speaking, some of the foundation players have been top-notch people as well as rugby players – Mortlock, Somerville, Delve, Freier, Gerrard, Huxley, Saffy, etc. Excellent people.
It was a very smart move to have Rod MacQueen as foundation coach. The guy understands all about building a new club from the ground up, having laid the same wonderful foundations at the Brumbies. Unfortunately, that legacy is being ruined by current inhabitants.
MacQueen believes sport is more than winning or losing, more than just about playing. It’s also about the development of the individual, the team, & the club.
Another wonderful thing the Rebels have going for them is the legend of Weary Dunlop. Not only was he a Wallaby, but also one of the most revered figures in Australian history.
Last but not least, Melbourne is a sporting city. While they love their Australian football, they’re willing to give other sports a go (providing they know their place in the pecking order)!
Will Melbourne win a super rugby title before Sydney? Quite possibly. The Tahs will struggle until they find a way to unite.
January 19th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Rickety Knees said | January 19th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Great post Sheek – mate had great day with the Zs and the Crowd yesterday, was hoping you would be there, maybe next time ….
January 19th 2012 @ 11:02am
Aaron Malouf said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Dear Stuart,
You should have put your third to last paragraph in as the third paragraph! Context is everything. I’m still trying to work out if you are just trying to manufacture some rivalry for your beloved Rebels, or just recruit more for the Army.
When the Super Rugby concept was born, one of the two “original” home Unions was always going to be pilliaged for players. It turned out to be NSW. The Brumbies and then the Force helped themselves to many players either frustrated with being in the second tier of NSW Rugby, or frustrated by the closed-minded-blue-blazered management of NSW Rugby. The Reds had a management spill but suffered on field before they finally left the Rugby Wilderness, realising that it needed to do more than win against the Waratahs to make a season successful. But they were never ransacked for players the way NSW were.
No excuses – various Tah’s teams and management have taken on field success for granted over the years. Too many fine players and coaches slipped through the system all too easily. But Jimmyjam is right, NSW tends to be the nursery for rugby talent in this country and have allowed themselves to become the orphanage as so much talent moves interstate either following dreams or money.
It would be nice if the Force and the Rebels could field some (more) home grown talent, but that’s not going to happen till the rugby mercanaries they purchase come good and win some silverware, and drag the team 10 pages closer to the back page of the Herald Sun than they are at the moment.
If the Rebels win the Super Rugby tournament before the Waratahs, that would be great for SANZAR Rugby, but brillant for Australian Provincial Rugby, because the credibility of the competition will meet the expectations of its makers, and we Tahs fans love a bloody good interstate stoush.
Great article. Hope the Rebels go well this year.
I
January 19th 2012 @ 11:50am
Stuart Fazakerley said | January 19th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
A bit from column A, a bit from column B, and a bit from column C. It was more focusing on a problem that I notice with a lot of new teams where downplaying expectations can become cultural. I think the Rebels will win SR before NSW because I believe we’re building a club that one day will win Super Rugby.
All I want Rebels fans to do is remember that each year, no matter what happened the previous year, what the pundits say, or what the club says to the press, that dream is alive.
Having a swing at NSW was just a bonus haha
January 19th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Arky said | January 19th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Your recollection of history is a bit one eyed – or is it just convenient to forget that the reds were raided by both the Brumbies and the Force…
January 19th 2012 @ 1:35pm
joe blackswan said | January 19th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
AM,
the main reason i find it hard to like the ‘tahs is it’s administration….it would have to be the worst admin, or close to worst, of any professional sporting team in australia. The constant in-fighting that is reported about NSW rugby and ‘tah land is astonishing….and the admin interfering with the coaching of a team, I think Link McKenzie made mention of this. Rot usually starts at the top and permeates through an organisation….and this has translated to failure on the field. I reckon they need a QLD Reds style cleanout of the board.
I have always wanted to like the ‘tahs, esp when I was living in sydney in early 00′s, but they make it so hard.
January 19th 2012 @ 8:26pm
anopinion said | January 19th 2012 @ 8:26pm | Report comment
Qld were not ‘raided” by the Brumbies, rather the players Connolly would not give a run to went happily. They were not wanted in Qld, turns out we lost some handy players during that era.
Qld were raided by the Force. Huge money offers and aggressive (against the rules of the time, can anyone give details) recruiting saw Qld lose a large percentage of its starting team.
Calling NSW Australia’s Rugby Nursery may be a bit rich. Qld have won the last 5 interstate schoolboys clashes despite being a year younger in year 12. Although NSW somehow manage to get more players in the Aussie Schoolboys Teams even when they lose.
January 19th 2012 @ 9:48pm
AndyS said | January 19th 2012 @ 9:48pm | Report comment
Yeah, say it often enough and you come to believe it. Looking at the 29 players that played more than one game for the Reds in 2005, the Force appear to have taken Sharpe (obviously) and Pelesasa out of the starting team, and Doherty, James and Vedelago from their well worn seats on the bench. Hardly a gutting.
January 20th 2012 @ 10:22am
formeropenside said | January 20th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
More to the point, the Force stole Qld’s future in Pocock, and a year or so later, JOC.
January 20th 2012 @ 11:03am
AndyS said | January 20th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
They did, but that is quite different from anopinion’s point. It is inevitable that players looking at the logjam ahead of them are going to move, the Force merely opened up more opportunities. They took a lot of club level players and put a lot of time into them, more time individually than they would have got in Q’ld as part of a much bigger pack. And of those a few made it, as a only a few will. It is pure hindsight to say that the same players would have achieved the same in competition with incumbent and long established players at the Red though. And for the majority, they might have been better staying put. But the Reds were hardly beating the door down to get them back when they were let go, so they presumably represented no great loss.
In Pocock’s case, he probably would have made it, he is that kind of player. But it still assumes a great many things, like that the Reds would have been prepared to sack their captain early to give Pocock the same opportunity, that they wouldn’t instead have tried to turn him into something else (like the 12 he was playing at school), would have put the same amount of work into him rather than letting him drift along in the clubs for a few years, would have played him when he was ready rather than try to park him, wouldn’t have lost him to another team anyway when the team management imploded or a starting spot opened up, etc, etc. One thing is for certain though, it was better for the Wallabies that he got out and took advantage of the accelerated development.
I have no doubt JOC would have made it too, and probably as quick as at the Force. But his leaving was entirely different to the initial raid that was supposed to have done so much damage. JO’C was no different from any player deciding where his future lies. And he was a recognised prospect, but presumably one that Q’ld weren’t prepared to be competitive for. Maybe they underestimated their appeal or think that players are somehow indentured by where their parents decided to live, but losing him can only be seen as the Reds either cocking up or not rating him highly enough. Or who knows, maybe they saw it as a choice between him and Cooper or didn’t want to deal with both of them together. It may well have been a conscious decision made correctly.
January 20th 2012 @ 8:54pm
anopinion said | January 20th 2012 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
AndyS,
I should not have said starting team. Qld lost many of its stronger squad members who were on their way in, as usual the coaches had stuck with older players for too long. Players such as Daruda, Ioane, McIsaac were well known next generation Qld players. Brown, Buatava and Windle were less so. Losing Sharpe and Pelasasa (spelling ?) was devastating I think that totals quite a few good players.
January 20th 2012 @ 9:51pm
AndyS said | January 20th 2012 @ 9:51pm | Report comment
I’d certainly agree on Ioane – I rate him highly and think the early exposure he had at the Force has probably served him well now he is back home at the Reds. But I am not sure he wouldn’t be the only other one after Pocock. Certainly McIsaac was headed the other way – he played a number of games in 2004, but not a minute in 2005. The Force was a lifeline for him and one he grasped with both hands (and then some).
Buatava, Windle, Daruda, Stapleton, Mailata and a few others were what I had in mind when I said a few players might have been better off staying put. Maybe they didn’t have it, maybe they didn’t need the focus on them that they got being signed players in Perth and would have been better staying in Q’ld learning their trade in the relative anonymity of clubland; it’s hard to say. It is possible they could and would have been more, but the Reds certainly weren’t rushing to have them back.
Brown is the interesting one though. My opinion is that he is one of those players that would have never managed to push through the crowd at the Reds. There are plenty who think he has overachieved as it is, making it into the Wallabies at 8. He certainly isn’t a traditional looking backman and I think he would have struggled to ever get a real shot over players like Roe and Houston. Maybe he might have finally got a shot at playing 7 in 2009 once Croft packed it in, but only if they never heard of Braid. Doubt he’d've been playing 6 over people like Heenan and Higginbotham either. I think there is a good chance no-one would have ever heard of him if he had stayed. The obvious flip side to that though is whether it might have cost someone like a Will Brock the opportunity…so many imponderables.
January 20th 2012 @ 1:27am
stanley grella said | January 20th 2012 @ 1:27am | Report comment
QLD win the schoolboys cos there 17, NSW players are already drinking and it slows them down, but it means that coming into SR there ahead of QLD on handling there booze. case in point Quade “cant handle a cup” cooper
January 20th 2012 @ 5:28pm
Nathan of Perth said | January 20th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
Have the Western Force actually got … well, ANY West Australian player in their ranks this year? I went through the team roster last year and didn’t find a one who was actually born in WA although I know they are trying to boost local development.
January 20th 2012 @ 6:03pm
Working Class Rugger said | January 20th 2012 @ 6:03pm | Report comment
Nathan,
Keiran Longbottom is a Perth product, as was Dane Hewlett-Petty. There was another from memory, a hooker who’s name escapes me that was making his way into the squad before injury forced him to retire. I’m pretty sure Justin Turner is a local product as well. Had a really bad run with injury where he missed a lot of Super Rugby otherwise he’d likely be a starter at present being a very talented halfback. Oh, and this year we’ll likely begin to see more of Kyle Godwin off the bench with any luck. Good young player evidently. That’s five or six in about as many years. The good news for the Force is there is a swathe of ever improving talent emerging just below the top level and in particular their junior setups.
January 20th 2012 @ 6:24pm
Nathan of Perth said | January 20th 2012 @ 6:24pm | Report comment
I’m glad there are some coming through. It’s disconcerting when you look through the local team’s roster and find no locals! I shouldn’t be surprised though, players who can compete at an SR level don’t just drop out of the sky after all, takes a lot of infrastructure which should be producing rewards in bulk in another couple years.
I hope.
Then we’ll get to be pissed off when Queensland teams raid our nursery’s in return.