Wishing for State of Origin to come back to AFL
By Fitzy, 26 Jan 2012 Fitzy is a Roar Rookie
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Is now the time for State of Origin to return to the AFL? Some of us are old enough to remember State of Origin, with the passion it generated between The Big V and South Australia.
We remember the big V being defeated by New South Wales (some of whom were selected because they spent time in New South Wales on holiday).
We remember the high-scoring affairs of The Big V against Western Australia. Who of that era will ever forget Plugger embracing Teddy Whitten, and that emotional last lap for that footy great in his last days?
Then we wonder, will it ever come back? And what went wrong in the first place, was it a combination of things or one single thing? For mine it was because we never really embraced the concept as important, we were more concerned with tribal victories than seeing the greats competing at a higher level?
Perhaps it’s because, bragging rights aside, there wasn’t really anything to gain. But for those of you who still miss the concept, as I do, isn’t it time it was back on the agenda?
Whatever happens, Australian rules football will always lack that representative aspect that both rugby codes and football have naturally. Of course there is the International Rules series, but it has never been the same. So in the interests of discussion I will put forward my idea.
First, don’t copy the format from rugby league. Being compared to something that has such history and passion would only hurt the concept, as well as meaning the best players may not be available. No fan wants to see their stars hurt or suspended mid-season when a premiership is at stake.
Second, make it so there is something more on the line than bragging rights. Lastly, don’t overdo it.
My suggestion is to hold a proper championship every three years, and have every state represented. Victoria, South Australia, West Australia, Tasmania, New South Wales/ACT, and Queensland/Northern Territory.
Have it run in the off season, say the month of November, and have everyone play each other once.
It means there will be three home games for Victoria, South Australia, and Western Australia, but only two for NSW/ACT, Queensland/NT and Tasmania (which could be played at Metricon, Skoda, etc).
Have a top three with second and third playing off to meet first in the final.
The biggest obstacle of course will be the clubs – no-one wants to lose a player to injury, so offer the clubs compensation picks according to value. Chris Judd would equal a late first-round pick, and so on.
The AFL could also pay the player’s wages for the duration of the injury. Lastly, the club concerned would have their number of players on their list and their cap increased to fit that player in.
To ensure that the best players play, only those selected for state honors could be selected for all-Australian sides and International Rules series. Lastly, reduce the NAB cup format to allow players to recover.
Just think, Kieran Jack, Lenny Hayes, Tom Hawkins, Justin Koschitzke, Adam Schneider, Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Brent Staker and the like, all wearing light blue. Ah, to dream!
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January 26th 2012 @ 8:35am
Cameron Larkin said | January 26th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
I wrote a piece on the same topic…wait for the backlash.
January 26th 2012 @ 9:01am
camtherose said | January 26th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Haha, fair enough though I reckon. The points made ‘for’ SOG always seem okay and I can see both sides of the argument, but ultimately it’s a club game, and in the ever-expanding AFL world the concept is, I believe, redundant.
Also, not sure that the queue will stretch for miles to get in and see LRT do his stuff in a representative game, feel like there are more powerful closing lines.
January 26th 2012 @ 11:02am
Fitzy said | January 26th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
C what u mean,
January 26th 2012 @ 9:04am
amazonfan said | January 26th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Your proposal sounds reasonable (although I’m not sure that the All-Australian side should come from only those selected for state honors, as it is the Team of the Year), however there is just one problem. Nobody cares enough. State of Origin died, partly because clubs were hesitant about allowing their stars to play, but also because fans stopped caring in the latter years. I don’t know if enough fans will take to state of origin now, not when the AFL is so club-oriented.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:09am
Fitzy said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Agreed, thats why I suggest making it a three year deal, 1st players wont have that many opportunities to play and therefore may value it more, 2nd if after regular season it could be played at night on grounds that are smaller, e.g. Metricon, Skoda, Wagga Wagga, so that any crowd will look bigger. Hopefully if the rigt incentives are there for player and club we will get the best players and then the fans. Lastly re All Australian, how often do we get a kid jump out of the blocks in their 1st year and make the team anyway, players have to earn their stripes, how better to see how good a player is, than the best in the respective states. I hate seeing a player getting 30+ possessions against the bottom side and then struggle against quality, and then make All Aust.
January 27th 2012 @ 5:31am
amazonfan said | January 27th 2012 @ 5:31am | Report comment
I actually think that players shouldn’t have to earn their stripes. If your season was good enough, then you should be named All-Australian. It doesn’t matter whether you are a first year player or a 10-year veteran.
As I said, I think your proposal is very reasonable, however I doubt it could happen due to a lack of interest (including on my part.)
January 26th 2012 @ 9:42am
gusbrisbane said | January 26th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Unfortunately, State of Origin football would exclude Californians, Irish, Chinese, New Zealanders and South Pacific Islanders.
(Yeah, I couldn’t help myself.)
January 26th 2012 @ 9:42am
mds1970 said | January 26th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
State of Origin football died with Ted Whitten. Once he passed away, there wasn’t any point in playing the games any more.
The players weren’t interested, as we saw with the epidemic of dodgy “injuries” as clubs withdrew their players from the games. And the fans stopped coming.
The November timeslot you mention is interesting – I can see your point about not wanting to interfere with club games. But there’d be issues with ground availability around cricket; and anyone who had been limping through the season with an injury will be recovering from surgery in November, so you still won’t get the best players. It’ll be hot, and I doubt there’d be a lot of interest.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:11am
Fitzy said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Yeah my greatest concern is that too, but whats the answer, thats why I’m saying make it every 3 years. It could also coincide with IC14 and have best 6 be like the magoos.
January 26th 2012 @ 9:50am
stabpass said | January 26th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
ACT had their own team at one stage, and actually defeated Victoria one year.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:32am
Ian Whitchurch said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
No.
The AFL got it right in keeping the club competition as the peak of the game. Origin weakens rugby league – they get three good crowds, and three good nights on TV, but the cost is every time you watch even top sides play, even if it’s for a premiership, you know this isnt the best the game gets to be, and this is reflected in their week-in, week-out crowd and viewing figures.
You’re also in an awful bind over sponsorship and TV rights – to you bundle it with your standard competition, or get greedy and stupid and carve it off, reducing the attractiveness of your week-in, week-out product.
Finally, cricket is the poster child for this. No one wanted to see Paddington play when they could see NSW play, and then no one wanted to see NSW play when they could see Australia play.
The result is cricket gets three decent days of crowds a year, and by “decent” I mean “exceeding Richmond’s average crowd”.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:32am
let it go son said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
State of Origin is dead.
It died the day some genius thought the Allies had any meaning to anyone.
You’ve gone one step further and come up with a QLD/NT team. Why not QLD/SA or QLD/WA? It’s just as irrelevant.
One years. Three years. Makes no difference, clubs will put pressure on players to opt out. Our game is controlled by the clubs influence. When the best refuse to play then the spectacle is devalued.
We should also scrap that joke of an Irish amateur game. It’s embarassing and is desperate. We have a great club competition.
We don’t need meaningless crap.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:12pm
alexbarker1978 said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:12pm | Report comment
The international rules was a farce this year- however IMO it has been a great competition for the majority of its last fifteen years. While it will always remain a novelty, the series is for me always a positive- and great chance to barrack for the same team as many of my friends for once.
January 26th 2012 @ 10:51am
Tony said | January 26th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
SOO is a hangover from our colonial rivalries. We have interstate matches every week now that we have the AFL. Leave this historical oddity to the NRL
January 26th 2012 @ 1:29pm
The Cattery said | January 26th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
That sums up my view as well, let it go.
Ok for U17 championships, which is a shop window for recruitment staff – but apart from that, rep games have next to no meaning.
January 26th 2012 @ 11:06am
oikee said | January 26th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Queensland’s biggest cultural event, Queenslanderrrrrrs, we take on all comers, you can join in one day Victoria, if you can ever find anyone good enough to compete.
Queensland has 2 cultural events, Origin, and the Carnival of Flowers, our softer side.
January 26th 2012 @ 1:22pm
Ian Whitchurch said | January 26th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
Oikee,
And the price of that is helping cripple the great game of rugby league.
January 27th 2012 @ 9:48am
The Truth Hurts said | January 27th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
How is it crippling the game of RL Ian? The Crowds and TV ratings are up (for NRL and Origin), the players look forward to it and so do the fans. Also the team most affected (usually) by the origin, the Broncos, has also been the most successful over the last two decades.
I’m sorry, but you’re just plain wrong Ian, or perhaps a NSW supporter.
January 27th 2012 @ 1:46pm
clipper said | January 27th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
SOO is the pinnacle of league, above the club comp and way above any international games, and having it as such with just QLD and NSW will surely hurt any expansionist ideas, as you’re saying the really big games are just for QLD and NSW, which would be quite right, as no other states could compete. The AFL has done away with this, as NSW and QLD would not be able to compete in a SOO, but can compete at club level, so you are giving the other states just as much chance to see them beat any other state in a weekly competition (albeit there are a lot more Victorian teams)
Apologies Ian if I have got the gist of your argument wrong.
January 28th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Australian Rules said | January 28th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
I also think SOO ultimately hurts the NRL.
Undoubtedly, SOO is exciting and tribal and the best standard of Rugby League a person can watch (including international IMO). Whilst all of that might be good for the brand of League (the SPORT), it diminshes the brand of the NRL (the COMPETITION). This is proven even more so, when the season games suffer during Origin period (both from media coverage and the quality of games).
NRL fans talk about expansion and demand that the IC make plans to secure the game’s future…but Qld and NSW RL fans cling to their old colonial rivalries as though they’re the thing that matters.
Trust me, the AFL invented SOO and the crowds were massive at times (90,000 in 1989 – Vic v SA) but moving on and becoming, truly, the AFL, was the best decision ever made.
As long as the highest form of the game is played exclusively between 2 states, it will limit its appeal amongst the rest of the country and beyond.
January 31st 2012 @ 5:25pm
Jaceman said | January 31st 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Agree with AR,
What big code plays a representative game between club and internationals because they know it means nothing. Soccer doesnt do it and Rugby Union doesnt do it because they have national comps and the ESL dropped the Lancashire v Yorkshire roses game some years ago. The fact that RL SOO is big here means the club and internationals are diminished. RL SOO is compromised as well as ACT players play for NSW and peoples affiliations are very loose. Folau bought up in Western Sydney and Inglis in Bowraville played for Qld. Tonie Carroll played for Qld and Australia one year then NZ and then Qld again. A shambles. A NRL official quizzed that the Broncos might dominate the competition suggested that SOO time will bring the Broncos back to the field eg when they play SOO in Melbourne the Qlders have to back up against the Storm 2 days after SOO. A huge disadvantage and a win for the Storm I would suggest…
January 26th 2012 @ 11:09am
Dingo said | January 26th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Some of the best ideas on how to bring back SOO for Aussie Rules, are in an article which was written back in August by Michael DiFabrizio, http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/12/how-to-structure-an-afl-state-of-origin/. Some of the comments are also worth consideration.
January 28th 2012 @ 2:50pm
Redb said | January 28th 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
Excellent article by MD. Best formula I’ve seen for State games to return.