Retiring Ponting is to gamble with a loaded deck of inexperience
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There have been many calls for Ricky Ponting to retire so that he could make way for the younger players. I read many online comments after he made the stunning knock of 221, hailing his knock but pushing him to retire on top.
Yet there weren’t many comments that suggested a replacement for Ponting. Does that mean many fans struggle to find a replacement for Ponting, or does it conclude that Australia will play with ten men?
There’s confusion in the air.
What complicates Ponting’s situation is our younger batsman are not stepping up to the mark, whether it’s in the Shield or Test level.
Currently in Shield cricket, Peter Forrest, who has moved from New South Wales to Queensland, tops the batting with 581 runs at an average of 58.10 from six matches.
The other players that are in the top ten most runs in season 2011/12 so far are Michael Klinger, Wade Townsend, Chris Rogers, Dan Christian, Peter Nevill, Tom Cooper, Adam Voges, Rob Quiney and Liam Davies – who rounds out the top ten has 451 runs at an average of 56.37.
Out of those top ten players, only Chris Rogers (51.2), Peter Nevill (49.30) and Adam Voges (41.65) average 40 plus in their first class careers. Rogers (age, 34) and Voges (32) are closer to finishing their first class careers, while Nevill is a wicketkeeper batsman.
Granted you could say other players down the list may have played one or two less games from majority of the top ten run scorers, like Matthew Wade’s 316 at an average of 63.20 from four matches out of six, but it still does give a reflection of where the batting is concerned at Shield level.
Put simply, Australia doesn’t have the batting depth at this stage. Former Australian captains, Mark Taylor and Ian Chappell have alluded to that. Maybe in 2014, but not in 2012.
At Test level this summer we have seen Phil Hughes and Shaun Marsh struggle big time. Interestingly both players are at the top of the order.
Although it shouldn’t be used as an excuse for both players as there are many facets of their respective batting that needs improvement such as footwork and the mentallality to cope with failures.
Let’s become a great player here, and let’s view things a couple of steps ahead. Say Ponting and Hussey retire from Test cricket today, here is the top 6 for Australia’s first test against the West Indies in April:
Ed Cowan
David Warner
Shaun Marsh
Usman Khawaja
Michael Clarke
Shane Watson
Now, with that top six, there are valid questions hanging over every player except Clarke.
Cowan and Warner are a green opening pair with only 10 tests between. As shown in the latest test, Warner may need to do some work dealing with the spinners. Warner’s two test centuries have come when the opposition has four fast bowlers, and no spinners.
As for his partner, is Cowan’s limited game strong enough to survive top-level Test cricket?
Marsh has scored only 17 runs in six innings, so unless he scores a motza at Shield, he won’t get a ticket to the Carribbean.
Watson has barely been sighted this summer due to his nagging injuries. It has been the case for Watson for majority of his career. Now, that Watson is 30, will that become a concern for him as he gets older as far as been injury free is concerned?
Khawaja is a strange case. If any, it may represent the new selection panel of John Inverarity, Mickey Arthur, Michael Clarke, Andy Bichel and Rod Marsh there first major selection mistake.
They dropped Khawaja after only four innings against New Zealand. Let’s examine this. Before NZ, Khawaja scored a vital 65 in Australia’s famous 300 odd run chase victory in South Africa to level that test series.
Against New Zealland, in the first test, he scored 38 but was run out. Remained not out in the second innings where Australia only needed 19 to win. In Hobart, on a green deck where it was tough batting conditions, Khawaja scored 7 and 23.
But unfortunately for Khawaja, Australia lost that test by 7 runs, and the selectors were looking for a scape goat, and Khawaja was it.
The selectors were quick to rush Marsh back in the test side. With the benefit of hindsight, I think Marsh needed time in the middle in a first class game to build up form and fitness.
Had the selectors held their nerve after Australia lost to NZ, and gave some faith to Khawaja, than he may have, could’ve, should’ve scored over 200 or 300 runs in the Indian series, and taken some of the runs away from Ponting and Clarke.
In the next few series, Ponting, if he still wants to play on, should bat at 3. He was the surrogate number 3 in the Indian series thanks to Marsh’s short stays at the crease. Have either Watson or Khawaja at 6.
I believe we need Ponting and Hussey to be around for a while longer. Judge them on a series by series basis. Their big test will be the South Afican series where they will again face Steyn, Morkel, Philander, de Lange etc.
If they survive that, than it puts them in good stead when they face the English bowlers in the Ashes. However if Hussey and Ponting have sub par series, than the selectors must retire them.
At least when they are replaced by two new players, they still have time to settle with a home series against Sri Lanka and an away series against India before the Ashes.
Those two players could be a mixture of Marsh, Hughes, Khawaja or someone like Joe Burns from Queensland. I’m preferring the latter two.
Ideally you want Hussey and Ponting or at least one of them to play on with form to the 2013 Ashes series.
It’s not a bad thing to have one run-making veteran in the line-up thats 37 or 38. He”ll have the experience to steady the ship, if things start collapsing, as evidenced in the recent Indian series where Australia were 3 for not many, and the stable middle order put Australia out of trouble.
With either of those in the side, it allows the new players in the test side to settle in like the openers, and it also allows young players at Shield level like Joe Burns, Chris Lynn, Nic Maddison, Glenn Maxwell, Marcus Harris, James Faulkner to become established, and by the time 2013 or 2014 rolls around, they’ll be ready to step up. Hopefully.
The selectors didn’t held their nerve with Khawaja. Us fans should hold our nerve with Ponting.
Punter, are you playing on?
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January 30th 2012 @ 8:19am
Vas Venkatramani said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Some fine points there James.
I made the argument for Ponting to be retained before the India series for the reason that Australia needed at least one player with loads of experience to match against a team with three players amassing nearly 500 caps. I won’t go as far to say my opinion was vindicated, for I’m only an armchair selector, little more.
However, I think now is a good time to bid adieu to Ponting, because a tour of the West Indies is a good challenge for any new incoming player to adapt to. It’s a low pressure environment that both home crowds in WI and the fans in Australia won’t pay much attention to (by virtue of the footy season), so it’s a good opportunity for a new player to be blooded and allowed to adjust to their new surroundings.
I think Marsh’s poor form warrants his sacking, and I’d like to see Khawaja pile on some runs before he is recalled. As for Watson, who knows what the hell is up with him. If we looked at other batsmen, I think Tom Cooper has made a good case for selection, as has Pete Forrest. But for a real bolter, I think the selectors might blood Nic Maddinson.
But my bet is Dan Christian to come in, for I think that’s one area the selectors would like to see strengthened, given Watson’s woes.
January 30th 2012 @ 9:44am
Matt F said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Watson and Khawaja would have to be the candidates. Watson would be the first choice with Khawaja maybe going as the reserve batsman, or coming into the XI if Watson isn’t fit.
The problem with the other candidates that you mention for Marsh’s spot is that none of them have produced good enough Shield results for a sustained period (say 2-3 seasons.) Cooper, Forrest and Christian have all had a good first half of the season, but before this season they’ve never really looked like top level Shield cricketers, let alone potential Test cricketers. Have these players turned the corner and become legitimate Test candidates, or are they just mediocre players going through a purple patch?
Maddinson had a good debut season last year but has had a fairly poor Shield season this summer. His BBL form was very good but I try not to read too much into performances in different formats. He’s a player for the future but nowhere near ready yet.
The only batsman who’s made consistent runs over the past few seasons is Khawaja (well a player like David Hussey might have but he’s now considered too old) though it is pretty rare that a player gets dropped and then comes back without playing a first class match.
You could be right in that they may pick Christian as an all-rounder, if Watson isn’t fit, but given how we’ve gone against India, I don’t think an all-rounder is an essential element of our side. It’s a great luxury to have but, if we don’t have one that’s good enough, I wouldn’t just pick one for the sake of having one.
Tha being said, I think Watson will be fit by the WIndies. By all reports he was very close to playing in the BBL final for the Sixers. Then again those same reports also had him playing the last 5 BBL games so maybe they’re not so accurate!
January 30th 2012 @ 9:54am
Red Kev said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Well said.
Especially regarding the other candidates.
The only point of difference I have is that regardless of Watson’s fitness, Khawaja should be playing in the West Indies tests.
January 30th 2012 @ 9:57am
Matt F said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Ideally I’d like to see Khawaja playing as well, but realistically the only player in danger is Marsh (well Haddin as well but that’s irrelevant to Khawaja) and we know that Watson is a certainty to play if fit. My first post wasn’t so much what I’d like to see happen, but more of what I think the selectors will do.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:14am
Red Kev said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Ahh I see – in that case you’re right and I agree with your assessment of what will happen.
In that particular case I also wonder if it wouldn’t be more beneficial for Khawaja to not be selected, play out the rest of the shield for NSW and post his third straight season averaging over 60, then head over to Derbyshire where he’s contracted to play county cricket and try to average over 50 there too. That would then be a powerful statement ahead of the 2012/13 home tests against SA and SL.
I would of course prefer to see him playing test matches, but if he is only going to be the reserve batsman then perhaps a glut of first-class runs would better rub the selectors’ faces in it.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:31am
Matt F said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Whilst the WIndies tour does start in March, the test series isn’t actually until early April so the Shield season will be most likele by over (the final is scheduled for 16-20 of March) by the time the Test squad is selected. This means that Khawaja, and all the other potential candidates have at 4-5 matches each to impress the selectors. It also means that Watson can have a run of first class matches before coming back into the Test side and avoid the Marsh situation that’s happened in the India series (assuming he’s fit.)
If I were Marsh, Haddin or Watson I would request to be not be picked for the ODI series (assuming they actually would have been picked) and play in the Shield to try and prove that I was worthy of the Test side. I would feel very sorry for Nevill if Haddin were to do this however.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:33am
Chris said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
You’ve already identified one replacement for Ponting and Hussey, and that’s Usman Khawaja. My view on Khawaja is that he’s been very oddly treated by the selectors. For some reason it seems as if they don’t really have full faith in him and are looking for reasons to drop him, despite him performing adequately almost every time he’s played. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – Khawaja needs to be picked at the start of a season and told by the selectors they have his full backing. If that happens I’m sure he’ll flourish.
In an ideal world, Ricky Ponting would retire now and allow the above scenario to happen. My team to tour the Windies would be:
Warner
Cowan
Khawaja
Clarke
Hussey
Watson
Wade
Siddle
Harris
Hilfenhaus
Lyon
With backup bowlers Starc, Pattinson and Cummins, and a backup batsman in Maddinson.
So, yes, there is inexperience at the top of the order, but the only way that will change is to pick players and show faith in them. Come Ashes time, the Australian team will be better for having done this.
But there’s no doubt Australia’s strength at the moment is in bowling, not batting.
January 30th 2012 @ 9:32am
Matt F said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Khawaja’s biggest problem was that we lost to NZ and our batting looked pathetic at the time. If we had been winning at the time, and the team batting well, then he probably would have been given at least the MCG test as they wouldn’t have felt the need to rush Marsh back so quickly. Likewise Marsh has been very lucky that we won this series 4-0. Had it been 1-1 going into Adelaide then I doubt he would have been picked.
January 30th 2012 @ 9:53am
Red Kev said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
I wanted Ponting gone before the India series. Now I’d characterise my position as scaled back from “moral certainty” to “pretty damn sure” (after all the guy did just average over 100 for a four-test series, that is no mean feat even against so-called minnows).
If (and it is in my mind a big if) Ponting stays, he must play first drop. He cannot prolong his career by hiding behind new test batsmen trying to find their feet in the position traditionally held by the best batsman.
Clarke doesn’t need Ponting to back-seat drive his captaincy. However the batting lineup does need someone to hold the fort at first-drop while the newer players find their feet at test level. It can be Ponting or Hussey (although I saw a news story saying Clarke was considering elevating himself to no.3). Ponting has played 100 matches at first drop, but Hussey has been the better player of the two for the last two years (and was a first-class opener before playing no.6 for Australia).
When looking for new blood, the top run scorers can be misleading given that fringe players on national duty cannot play many matches, averages are a better indicator. Khawaja has only been available for one Sheffield Shield match so far this season thanks to the Australian test schedule even though he is not an established member of the current side. He has 3 or 4 shield games before the announcement of the WI tour squad and given that since his axing he has made an unbeaten half-century against the Indian attack of Sharma, Khan, Yadav and Ashwin in a tour match; a half-century in Sydney grade cricket, and a century in a NSW Second XI match one can be reasonably confident in assuming he’ll keep his season average over 50 (perhaps even maintain it over 60 for three on the trot).
Past Khawaja however there is a concern, there are plenty of possibles, but they are all too young / too new as batsmen to have any confidence in them stepping up. The selectors could take a punt, but it might be a couple of seasons too early for the likes of M.Marsh, N.Maddinson, J.Burns, K.Patterson.
Dan Christian who seems to be in favour would be a very poor selection. He has turned in 5 matches of decent form in his entire career. This shield season Christian has played 5 matches averaging 59 with the bat and 49 with the ball. Prior to this season Christian had played 27 Sheffield Shield matches averaging 24 with the bat and 32 with the ball. A purple patch of form does not suddenly make someone ready for test cricket. Shaun Marsh proved that decisively. Trying to pick on instantaneous form (rather than sustained form) is just as poor a policy as selecting by reputation.
The test lineup (and WI tour squad) should be
Warner
Cowan
Ponting/Hussey
Clarke
Khawaja
Watson / “one spot up for grabs”
The one thing I do remain certain of is that one of Ponting or Hussey needs to be retired before the West Indies tour or Australia will face a capitulation of veteran batsmen similar to that just suffered by India, only ours will be worse (emotionally) because it will be in the back-to-back Ashes series (only 13 tests away).
January 30th 2012 @ 1:19pm
Bigbaz said | January 30th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
Yea,S Marsh was a poor selection in the 1st place and rushing him back was silly. Dan Christian is of similar ilk,an ok shield player but highly unlikely to take the next step given his overall career.Maybe we should inflate the touring sqad a little to introduce a couple of the younger leading lights to the world of test cricket and international tours.
January 30th 2012 @ 5:23pm
evan said | January 30th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Stop it. You are making too much sense. It is a moral this wont happen.We like to debut batsmen at no. three.
January 30th 2012 @ 5:23pm
evan said | January 30th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Stop it. You are making too much sense. It is a moral this wont happen.We like to debut batsmen at no. three.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:06am
Matt F said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
The problem with Ponting, as you alluded to, is that every player gets to an age where they can no longer play at the level. Obviously based on this summer, Ponting isn’t there yet but with the Ashes 18 months away, there will always be question marks about how a 39 year old will go. Given that Hussey will also be around 38 by then we could be in a tricky situation.
Of course there’s no guarantees that they will be “past it” by then, they may well star in the next Ashes, but once a player gets past 35 or so, age will always be a lingering concern. The sudden decline of the Indian side should serve as a warning as to what can happen if the veterans are allowed to grow old together and the side is never really rejuvinated, though obviously they have more older players thrn we do. When you consider that the return Ashes series is only 6 months afterwards (I’m not sure if we even have another test series in between) it doesn’t give us much time to rebuild if age does indeed catch up with one, or both, of them.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:38am
Vas Venkatramani said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
The other thing that hasn’t been considered by us is the possible spin backups to Nathan Lyon.
Given how long we have been talking about the heir to Shane Warne, Lyon has done a superb job to shut up everyone about his ability to fill that void. He has done a great job to stop people questioning his spot. Though his figures don’t make the best reading, his attitude and temperament against India was superb.
But now it’s time to look at possible number 2s. Ideally, you’d like either a right arm leggie or a left arm offie so the variety of spinning the ball the other way is there. In that sense, I feel the focus should firmly be on Cam Boyce and Steve O’Keefe. I hope the Aussie selectors get in the ear of Boof Lehmann and tell him to place some extra focus on Boyce’s development, for there may be a baggy green waiting for him if he gets some decent figures. As for O’Keefe, I feel he is number 2, for unlike the likes of Beer and Doherty, his first class bowling figures do make for good reading.
January 30th 2012 @ 1:11pm
The Barry said | January 30th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Vas – I don’t think there’s any need to worry about the No 2 spinner spot. None of the back ups are good enough and we have enough form fast bowlers not to have to worry about playing two spinners in the forseeable future.
Lyon has flight and dip, bowls tight although without a massive amount of variety at the moment. Even though he didn’t get many wickets against India (on unhelpful pitches against quality players of spin) he still bowled tight and held up an end.
I say we only worry about No 2 spinner when one of them demands selection through performance which I don’t think has remotely happened yet.
January 30th 2012 @ 2:14pm
Vas Venkatramani said | January 30th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Barry, you definitely have merit in your argument.
Part of the selectors mandate is to build depth in the team. Right now, the spin cupboard is bare, and that makes the prospect of Lyon being injured all the more daunting, especially with a tour to India next year. Contrary to what we’ve just seen, India will be tough to beat at their conditions. We need a spinner at least as a defensive option, as Warne was when we won in 2004.
It would be worth the selectors emphasising the likes of Boyce and O’Keefe by maybe taking one to the West Indies. O’Keefe definitely has the numbers to warrant a look in to the Test team. Boyce is raw and needs time, but he has to be backed up by good fields and allowed to throw the ball up. He’ll learn far more from that rather than bowling flat darts designed to be defensive.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:43am
Dubble Bubble said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
If Australia keep Warner as opener then we need an opener type no.3 as he will often be coming in for 1 for not many just due to the nature of Warners batting.I’m not completely convinced Warner should remain opener.Just because Sehwag has done well on dead pitches in India as an opener doesn’t mean Warner will do consistently well on hard Australian pitches or seaming English ones. Khawaja has shown a solid defensive technique and may be the opener type no.3 if we are going to keep Warner in the Sehwag type role we currently have him as but he has to show a bit more in attack that he has so far as well. And I don’t see why people are pushing for Dan Christian as an allrounder in Watsons absence. His medium pacers aren’t exactly thunderbolts. We’re better off just picking a specialist batsmen and have Huss and Pup roll their arm over for a few to give the bowlers a rest than pick a guy who averages with the mid 30′s with the ball in shield.
January 30th 2012 @ 1:07pm
The Barry said | January 30th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
Ponting looked good this year but against a powder puff attack that only took about 30 (guesstimate) Aussie wickets of the 80 available.
It’s the first decent series that he’s had in two years. I don’t think this summer gives Ponting the option to write his own ticket on retirement. He needs to keep these results going. A lot of the bad habits were gone – falling across his stumps, the mistimed pulls and hooks, but the attack he faced was half paced compared to England and SA.
Hussey is the same. Pre-Ashes he was struggling, big Ashes series, big SL series, struggles in SA and against NZ before big series against weak India. He averages 15 or 60. Is this what a young, re-building side needs ?
January 30th 2012 @ 3:08pm
aussie1st said | January 30th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
This was the ideal series to blood another youngster but as it is we have a new opening pairing of Cowan and Warner still finding their feet (assuming Cowan gets picked) and Watson moving into a new role. Need some stability in the lineup after those 3 as we saw how valuable it was to have them in the recent series. We still need to keep the momentum going and not lose it by a shock loss to WI.
Watson injury was perfect for some youngsters to put their hand up. As it is Warner has grabbed a spot and possibly Cowan but Marsh and Khawaja missed their opportunities. If we are going to blood a youngster then having another new born from Ponting or Hussey would mean we can get a look at the youngster with the knowledge Ponting/Hussey would return.
As it is both Ponting and Hussey will be touring so they have to maintain their form as we afford another 2 year form slump.
January 30th 2012 @ 5:40pm
jamesb said | January 30th 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
One thing I’ve forgotten to mention in my article is that its not a bad thing to have a new batsman in the line up leading up to the ashes series.
Not because they’ll replace hussey or punter, but because the english would know very little about him as far as strengths and weaknesses are concerned.
I remember Phil Hughes after he scroed those twin centuries in South Africa, he went over to England and played for a county just to get used to the english conditions. At the start he was scoring runs heavily. The only problem was his batting partner was Andrew Strauss.
Strauss would’ve seen a few weeknesses at first hand, and by the time Australia played the English lions tour match, the english bowlers had him figured out, and therefore had plans for him when the ashes began.
So a new batsman in the line up, like a couple of bolters like Joe Burns or a Peter Forrest wouldn’t be such a bad ploy, as long as they don’t play for a county.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:23pm
Anonymous said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:23pm | Report comment
Why not give Klinger a chance? He is the only player in Australia history to win best domestic player and not represent Australia in a single form.