Comparing differences between Six Nations and Super Rugby
By nickoldschool, 31 Jan 2012 nickoldschool is a Roar Guru
Want some scrappy, hard fought rugby games before the Super Rugby season kicks-off? Look no further, the 2012 Six nations tournament is about to start.
Muddy rugby pitches, cold or wet weather at best – cold and wet IS the norm -, historico-political rivalries or personal issues at club level, all these make every six nations tournament unique.
Sold out stadiums are ‘de rigueur’, crowds are vociferous and passionate and whether you are a Paddy, a Jock, a Taffy or a Southern French-man travelling to Paris to support the troops, you are going to sing, no matter what.
Every Wallaby, All Black or Springbok who have had the chance to play at Murrayfield, Twickenham or Cardiff are adamant: we don’t have the same passion down under. Fair enough. We will keep the 6 Rugby World Cups and leave you the passion.
More seriously, are we less passionate, or less expressive should I say, because of our culture, weather and overall laidback attitude?
Or is it our rather positive rugby philosophy which makes a rugby match at Eden Park or Sydney’s ANZ Stadium so different than a game in Dublin?
Bit of both really as it’s a catch 22 situation: rugby is what it is because of its environment, culture, rivalries etc but at the same time its very own philosophy shapes the crowds, atmosphere etc.
Generally speaking, you play rugby in the south to enjoy yourself, have fun with your mates, run the ball etc. In the northern hemisphere, you play rugby because you want to show others you are tough, or prove yourself you are, and also because you don’t mind a bit of aggro on the pitch.
You’re tall or big or even big AND tall? Excellent! You will play in the tight five as being tough, aggressive and ruthless is primarily what we will ask you to be!
France’s lock Fabien Pelous recently gave an interview in which he said that violence was part of rugby and that as a junior they were fighting pretty much every weekend.
Same with Canadian Jamie Cudmore who started playing rugby as a teen because he loved fighting and he could do so on rugby pitches without getting arrested.
Martin Johnson, Steve Thompson and many more, mainly in the forwards, are no different: they like their rugby ‘hot and spicy’.
The recall of French prop David Attoub in France’s Six Nations squad after serving a record 70-week ban for eye-gouging Irishman Stephen Ferris proves again that you are never too much of a villain for the sport.
True, the arrival of professionalism in northern hemisphere rugby has changed this, to some extent. Yet, for many players and for supporters who are or were rugby players themselves at amateur level, rugby is a tough, physical sport where games are won first and foremost up front, and should remain so.
European fans expect nothing less from their players and their way to ‘ask for it’ is to sing and make the atmosphere as daunting as possible for the opponent. Players will repay with aggro on the pitch.
Here in the south, we want tries, speed, flick passes, offloads and big hits, too. We want a show, and that’s what we get from our players. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just different.
And there is room in this world for both, as a 9-3 battle in the mud between 30 desperate Irish and Englishmen at Twickenham can be as enjoyable as a 38-24 show between the Blues and the Reds at Eden park.
It’s called diversity and that’s what makes rugby the sport it is.
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January 31st 2012 @ 7:58am
Intotouch said | January 31st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
No, no and no. We all played rugby because it was fun. Is fun. In spite of the weather it actually is. We sing to support out teams. The French are notorious for foul play. And being big and tall and tough is good anywhere in most sports!
The 6 nations is also a great party weekend in each city, no matter who wins, the fans have fun together.
Hope the rugby is good.
Enjoy!
January 31st 2012 @ 8:17am
AM said | January 31st 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
European crowds sing because they’re bored and cold.
We don’t sing, because generally there is something worth watching.
Bit like the old days, people used to sing around the piano before TV came along.
Don’t get me wrong, fantastic atmosphere with all that singing, but let’s not over do the romance of it.
January 31st 2012 @ 3:39pm
Nathan of Perth said | January 31st 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
Rubbish, we don’t sing because we’re all goddamn boring
January 31st 2012 @ 8:01pm
Football United said | January 31st 2012 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
what crap, australians don’t sing because they are lazy
January 31st 2012 @ 8:36am
Sven said | January 31st 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Good news everyone, the Brumbies have finally found a sponsor. The bad news; it’s the local TAFE.
Sad to see the once great club plumb depths of astounding mediocrity! The Super 15 is a major competition with global exposure in all Rugby countries and this is seriously the best the Brumbies can manage… I am speechless.
January 31st 2012 @ 9:27am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | January 31st 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Quit the negativity Sven….. this piece isn’t about the Brumbies sponsorship. Anyway at short notice at least we have a sponsor to get us through this year instead of going cap in hand to the ARU.
January 31st 2012 @ 9:21am
Pot Hale said | January 31st 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
The differences between Six Nations and Super Rugby?
One is about test matches and the other is a provincial/franchise league/cup competition.
“A 9-3 battle in the mud between 30 desperate Irish and Englishmen at Twickenham can be as enjoyable as a 38-24 show between the Blues and the Reds at Eden park”
When did you last watch a six nations match? Or should that be did you ever watch one?
“Generally speaking, you play rugby in the south to enjoy yourself, have fun with your mates, run the ball etc. In the northern hemisphere, you play rugby because you want to show others you are tough, or prove yourself you are, and also because you don’t mind a bit of aggro on the pitch.”
Insightful.
January 31st 2012 @ 10:34am
Brett McKay said | January 31st 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
I’m looking forward to the 6Ns this season, which I’ve never really followed before as much as I intend to this year. Either way, comparing the 6Ns to SR is hardly like-for-like, is it..
January 31st 2012 @ 11:02am
Cattledog said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Rugby’s rugby, Brett. Just we’re a little better at it here in the south. As Pot’s has pointed out, 6Ns is test rugby whereas the S15 is a provincial comp for the boys. That’s probably why the NH does so well in WCs, they play test rugby, not this provincial crap…lol…
January 31st 2012 @ 11:14am
Ben S said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Any salt, CD?
January 31st 2012 @ 11:20am
Cattledog said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
I can send some, Ben, not sure it will help, though…LOL
January 31st 2012 @ 11:27am
Ben S said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Good stuff, and I’ll send over another chip to help with your balance, old chap. Wouldn’t want you becoming too lopsided! I’d send a forward pack over, but I can’t afford the postage. Sorry.
January 31st 2012 @ 11:42am
Cattledog said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Forward pack…must have dug deep for that old chestnut
January 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm
Ben S said | January 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
About as deep as you, my man.
January 31st 2012 @ 12:10pm
Cattledog said | January 31st 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
You take a whole bottle of nasty pills…or are you still smarting over the abysmal showing of your philandering rugby team? Build a bridge, mate.
January 31st 2012 @ 10:53pm
Ben S said | January 31st 2012 @ 10:53pm | Report comment
Did I take a bottle of nasty pills from the chap who starts off with the same old incorrect ‘us and them’, yawnfest… again? Anyhow, I’m not being grumpy. I guess that didn’t come across via the net.
February 1st 2012 @ 3:50am
Ben S said | February 1st 2012 @ 3:50am | Report comment
Btw, two quick points:
(i) Not sure you’ve got any reason to be too cheerful after what the Wallabies dished up during the WC;
(ii) Philandering? Really? Thought not…
January 31st 2012 @ 8:53pm
Samvandamn said | January 31st 2012 @ 8:53pm | Report comment
Um, NH do so well in World cups?????????
RWC Winners by Hemisphere;
SH: 6
NH: 1
Were you drunk or high when you wrote that statement?
January 31st 2012 @ 11:36pm
Cattledog said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:36pm | Report comment
Mate, it’s late. Most got the sarcasm…you didn’t. Never mind, I’m sure posters can revert to single syllables when they see Samvandamn!
February 1st 2012 @ 1:10am
Samvandamn said | February 1st 2012 @ 1:10am | Report comment
Maybe there should be a font for sarcasm then people would not have to put up with condescending rants from posters like yourself.
February 1st 2012 @ 11:12am
Cattledog said | February 1st 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Yep, and we wouldn’t have to put with those as thick as two short planks!
January 31st 2012 @ 10:54am
King of the Gorgonites said | January 31st 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
Is it on ESPN in Australia? its good to have some rugby back to watch this weekend.
Im tipping the scots to upset the english. Wales to teach Ireland a rugyb lesson, and France to sneak hoem agaisnt an improved italaian team.
January 31st 2012 @ 11:00am
Brett McKay said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
correct KotGs, ESPN 1 & 2 from memory Sun and Mon morning..
January 31st 2012 @ 6:19pm
Dublin Dave said | January 31st 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Scots to upset the English? Check. Except it’s hardly an “upset” in Murrayfield. If it were Twickenham, that would be an upset. Scotland NEVER witn there.
Wales to teach Ireland a rugby lesson? Not this week. Not wit half of their team (the good half) missing. Ireland by 20. Even without O’Driscoll.
France to sneak home v Italy? Nah. Revenge in mind for first ever defeat in 6N to Italy last year, playing in Stade de France and with a coach who knows what he’s doing….France to win handsomely.
January 31st 2012 @ 11:58am
SAMURAI said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Absolutely love the Six Nations, it gives me the goosebumps everytime I watch the players belt out the anthems at Twickenham, Murrayfield, Cardiff etc.
January 31st 2012 @ 1:00pm
nickoldschool said | January 31st 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
A couple of points.
The reason why I chose to compare super rugby and six nations is just because both comps’ are about to start. Yep, timing. And they are both well known worldwide. England v Ireland or Blues v Reds talk more to most than a Gujan-Mestras v La Teste or a Bolton v Burley or Norths v Manly. But I understand why some found that irrelevant. None taken. Thing is, in most cases (sorry but we sometimes have to generalise a bit when we raise a point or 2 in 500 words), the rugby played up north will be more forwards orientated, at any level/grade.
Besides, the general point was that there are differences in the rugby played in the 2 hemispheres, both on and off the field. And I don’t see this changing that much. And I love that. Whether we like it or not, forwards are more likely to head-butt locker’s door (or any door, or any one ) in the north than in the south. One can have goose-bumps listening to Welsh or Irish crowds joining in singing their anthem or a south crowd watching the haka in awe. There is room for both. Enjoy this year’s six nations and super 15 and apologies to those who felt I was bagging one or the other (rugby)
January 31st 2012 @ 10:54pm
Ben S said | January 31st 2012 @ 10:54pm | Report comment
But there aren’t that many differences between the rugby played. That’s just outdated stereotype.
February 1st 2012 @ 12:08am
SAMURAI said | February 1st 2012 @ 12:08am | Report comment
I hate to say this, but to me personally the awe of the haka is fast disappearing, probably because I see it seven/eight times a year.
January 31st 2012 @ 2:18pm
michael said | January 31st 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
You say you play rugby in the north to prove toughness ? Funny then that the move to ban the use of feet in a ruck “rucking” was from the northern rugby nations . Bring back rucking I say and while I am at it bring back Buck !
January 31st 2012 @ 3:28pm
Bearfax said | January 31st 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Good rugby is good rugby where ever its played though I think the move to make tries 5 points and penalties and dropped goals two points will improve it even more. Would love to see Argentina in the mix…maybe even a Pacific Is team a Japanese team. Expansion is the way to go and would give these teams the competition they need to improve.
January 31st 2012 @ 6:55pm
Mario said | January 31st 2012 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
You been living under a rock? Argentina is in an expanded tri-nations from this year onwards.
January 31st 2012 @ 10:37pm
Bearfax said | January 31st 2012 @ 10:37pm | Report comment
Sorry. I’ll just move this bit of granite out of the way. I may have it wrong but isnt it another Oz team with Pac Is and Argentines in it, not a full team from Argentina. I may have missed the news if what you are saying is correct and get a new set of earphones for the piece of granite.
January 31st 2012 @ 11:47pm
allblackfan said | January 31st 2012 @ 11:47pm | Report comment
Bear, it will be a full strength Argentine Test side in the RC this year featuring their best available players (IRB is taking steps to ensure Argentina’s best players will be released)
February 1st 2012 @ 12:54pm
Bearfax said | February 1st 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Pleased to hear it. Love the way the Argies play and it will enhance the game in South America. Now for the Pacific Is (think of a team combining Fiji…the 7s regular champs, Tonga and Samoa….awesome players) and Japan (they’re improving every World Cup…just need the competition and a few more hefty forwards)