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Imagine a kid playing contact sport, like high school rugby. He dies of major concussion, after a seemingly innocuous tackle. Is this the kind of thing people should be worried about?
The case popped up in a legal show I watched the other day calledHarry’s Law. Maybe it’s funded by interest groups with an axe to grind, but the issue was interesting. In this fictional case it was a high school gridiron player who had died.
I don’t aim to offend, because I know the same thing has happened in our own game, and my heart goes out to those who have lost a loved one in that fashion. But I do believe that in rugby those situations are mostly unfortunate and isolated incidents.
One of the (many) theses in the show that I was watching was that the boy died of secondary concussions, which they explained as the many minor hits to the skull that happen in training and in games that rarely even go noticed. Just ordinary training incidents and game situations.
The recent science apparently supports this thesis, and if it does, it should alarm a lot of parents.
The theory (which is on solid medical ground) is that young brains are still developing well into their owner’s mid 20s, and even very minor concussions (the sort that largely go unnoticed) can be harmful to proper cognitive development.
There was a lot more to the theories than that, but it got me thinking. Yes, we have concussive injuries in rugby – Berrick Barnes is a classic example. But how much do those helmets contribute to the concussive injuries that they purport to prevent or minimise?
The evidence in the case (admittedy concatenated by the needs of the Hollywood producer) was that helmets make players over-confident, and in a game of American football, players lead into collisions with their heads, believing that they are protected.
They suffer lots of head impacts during a game, and in effect are trained to do so, in the mistaken belief that they will just bounce off.
Because the game is controlled by big business, and a big stake is held by equipment manufacturers, then it follows that the helmet manufacturers might find ways to make helmets even better suited to collisions, thus contributing to the overall problem.
The show’s point was well made that you will never get the powerbrokers of gridiron to admit that their game is dangerous, at least until parents and the people who matter start taking the science seriously.
What an opportunity for rugby.
As a lawyer watching the program, I was thinking, why didn’t they get a few rugby blokes to be their expert witnesses (a flight of fancy, I know).
If they had, they would have been able to postulate that rugby, with the many hundreds of thousands of people who play it every year around the world, is a relatively safe game to play.
They could have shown that, we, as the true warrior sport, could show those gridiron blokes a thing or two, but most importantly, they could show what a silly game gridiron really is.
I mean, what is it about a race of people that believe that the the tougher the players become, or the faster, or the fitter, or bigger, the more they should increase the size of the padding or the protective gear?
What is wrong with accepting that blokes can crash into each other without killing themselves, and do it while wearing shorts, a jersey, and socks hanging around their ankles?
As rugby coaches or players, we have all learned the concept of preparation for contact. That means, in that split second or two before you take or make the hit and know that you are in for some pain, you do what you have to do to minimise it.
You drop the shoulder and turn your head, you close your mouth, you turn and take the hit, you tackle the tackler, you get the leg drive going and generally do anything or everything necessary to protect yourself, while trying to inflict a bit of pain on the other bloke.
At the very least, you act like a ferret and try to dig yourself into the turf, or accept that your back is about to become something that your mother didn’t envisage when she bore you. Or as a last resort you chuck a Hail Mary pass and run like hell, but, as we all know, they rarely work!
I realise that American Football is a multi-zillion dollar industry, but does that make it sacrosanct? Are they heading in the wrong direction?
If so, what can rugby do to make inroads and win hearts and minds in middle America? Go slowly, creep up and bite them on the bum.
Wouldn’t it be great if the USA and Canada can finally be taken seriously on the world rugby stage and the North American public start to get it, largely because they realise that the sports that they hold so dear are killing people unnecessarily.
Football has done it, by promoting the virtues of the Soccer Moms who see the game as a way to provide healthy sporting activities for their kids without the fear of major injury. What a novel concept! Why doesn’t rugby follow suit?
These are probably the ramblings of a madman, but I thought, well, if Hollywood is interested enough to make a program about this, then it is a social issue that deserves to be discussed. What do you think?
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February 2nd 2012 @ 6:48am
kingplaymaker said | February 2nd 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Gatesy the U.S. is a sitting duck as a market because the NFL and Super rugby season do not clash, while the sports are similar enough that fans from the former should be interested in the latter.
I think rugby differs from the NFL and League in that it doesn’t champion big hits as a kind of sadistic spectacle. The point of the game is not violence, but sport, and this is not only what makes it more interesting but safer.
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:29am
The Truth said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Are you actually saying RL more resembles gridiron in this regard? Get real.
February 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm
mitzter said | February 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
with big hits – absolutely
February 3rd 2012 @ 6:51pm
mattamkII said | February 3rd 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
King – when was the last time you played rugby? 1898?
Big hits are celebrated.
February 2nd 2012 @ 7:13am
Emric said | February 2nd 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Americans have this sterio-type attitude about rugby which will be changed easily.
February 2nd 2012 @ 8:50am
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Gatesy u know nothing of gridIron. helmet to helmet tackles are illegal, they call it spearing in NFL. all the rules about stupid flying headbutts is being removed from the game.
the helmet doesnt make a lot of difference to concussion. its your (tiny little) mouth guard that provides u protection from concussions.
i agree that wearing the helmet and pads makes u feel invulnerable but u cant blame it for making u stupid. tackling technique is the same rgardless of what your wearing. bad technique will almost always lead to concussion.
helmet on helmet collisions is insanely stupid. when i’ve coached i’ve always told my kids never to go helmet on helmet and the only time to use your helmet in a tackle is when the target player is unaware of the impending hit.
so u call rugby the true warrior sport then go on advocating that american kids should play rugby because its softer? what the hell kind of selling point is that?!?!
and the only reason that there is so much padding is because of the full metal helmet and personal preference. the helemt isnt better or worse its just how this sport developed.
try watching a few games, superBowls coming up. gridiron is truly an amazing game and shouldnt be compared to rugby. igridiron has loads of lessons that can be used in rugby and vice versa. but hating a game u know nothing or little about is pretty lazy journalism
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:04am
Mike G said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
“the helmet doesnt make a lot of difference to concussion. its your (tiny little) mouth guard that provides u protection from concussions.”
Really??? On what medical basis do you provide this theory?
I’m not a Doctor, so am happy to take being wrong – As long as it is based on sound medical advice and research.
Based on your comment, kids riding a bicycle should just be using a mouthguard and leaving the helmet at home then huh???
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:13am
Markus said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Big difference between a concussion and a cracked skull, Mike. Even a bike helmet will do nothing to prevent the former.
February 3rd 2012 @ 8:07pm
jeznez said | February 3rd 2012 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Mike G – its definitely the mouth guard protecting against concussion. It’s performing the same job as a shock absorber in your car does. It compresses and takes the force. If you don’t have a mouthguard then the force hits something else squishy and in order to dissipate and the only other soft thing up there is your grey matter.
Hop on Google there is plenty of evidence to back this up.
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:49am
soapit said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
i could also be off base but in boxing the use of gloves to lessen the impact actually increases long term effects. the theory being that although th individual force is softened the boxer can punch much harder and more often when his hands are protected. so instead of a couple of hits and then ur knocked out it takes more hits to get to that point.
i think the damage is caused by the brain bouncing around from the impact and not necessarily from the force of the main impact itself.
feel free to point out where i’ve gone completely wrong.
February 2nd 2012 @ 10:23am
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
kind of off base but predominantly correct. gloves were introduced to protect the boxers hands.the gloves softens the impact but not the force. all that force still goes through to a hit area.
jeffFeneck had glass for hands so people like him really needed the gloves.
yeah concussion is from brain bouncing around, but its the force that carries on through. helmet can affect the impact but doesnt stop the force.
February 2nd 2012 @ 10:47am
soapit said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
ha ha, just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
so the protection allows more frequent impact, preserving the outer case (skull) but still has the same bouncing around just more often as the external/short term signs are reduced
February 2nd 2012 @ 11:15am
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
yeah, force transcends through regardless of the surface impact damage (like cuts). gloves lessons the impact damage but doesnt stop the force travelling from one body to another.
its like gravity. if u fired a gun in one hand and dropped a bullet in the other hand at exactly the same time which would hit the ground 1st?
believe it or not they’d both hit at the same time. the forward force of the bullet being fired is independent to the force of gravity. they both work on the object but dont have anything to do or interfere with each other
in this case the impact though related to the force acts indepently of each other.
so impact damage can be affected by whatever your wearing but the force is still going to go through regardless.
February 3rd 2012 @ 11:03am
soapit said | February 3rd 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
cheers mate. not sure its got much to do with your gravity example though (vectors are not really relevant are they?).
the gloves would no doubt reduce the acceleration (and hence force) to a point (same as a crumple zone in a car) but obviously just not enough to do anything substantial beyond the initial impact.
February 3rd 2012 @ 7:55pm
Steve R said | February 3rd 2012 @ 7:55pm | Report comment
Mate, helmet on helmet is not the point. The point is the helmet is used as a battering ram in tackles. It doesn’t matter if it helmet on helmet or helmet into midiff. The tackler is more exposed to concussion that he is in either of the rugby codes.
All the NFL has to do is get rid of helmets and train people to do rugby-style tackles, but this won’t happen
The stats don’t lie. American football produces a level of brain damage like no other football code. Do a Google search on this. It’s scary.
February 3rd 2012 @ 11:44pm
gatesy said | February 3rd 2012 @ 11:44pm | Report comment
Never said I hated it, nor that I know much about it! I don’t know where that came from … and I have watched more than a few Superbowls and College games on Fox.
February 4th 2012 @ 9:58pm
Damo said | February 4th 2012 @ 9:58pm | Report comment
Steve, it might be time for America to listen to Paul hogan who famously boasted that Australians play ‘football without a helmut’
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:16am
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
no, helmets protect you from scrapes and cuts so it does offer u some protection, just not against concussion. concussion is when your brain bouces around inside your skull
berrick barnes recent research into better head gear supportsthis. he did this research with some uni but i cant remember the name of that institution.
try boxing with and without a mouth guard and u’ll soon know how much more important the humble little mouthguard is.
the helmet becomes part of your head more or less, so that the concussive force treats helmet and head as one. that concussive force has to go somewhere. think of all that force bouncing around your skull + helmet. wheres it going to go? mouth guard is the only thing in your skull thats going to help disapate the force.
this i’ve found out the hard way playing contact sport. when i played gridiron i thought the helmet would make a huge difference but it doesnt. we were given gridiron mouth guards which attach to the helmet. i threw mine away and stuck to my rugby mouth guard cos i noticed how much better it was.
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:32am
The Truth said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
You would first need to change the simple characterization of rugby as “football without pads.” If gridiron is dangerous, you don’t make it safer by taking away protective gear. That is really how people see it, oddly.
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:39am
B.A Sports said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Concussion has been on the agenda for some time in US sport, Football primarily but not just football, hockey and even Basbeball have also been in the discussion after high profile players (Crosby in the NHL and Justin Morneau from MLB) both missed basically entire seasons as a result of concussions. In Baseball MLB are experimenting with different helmets for the batters and this will be happening in the NFL as well. In the NFL certain players (usually a QB and a key Defensive captain have slightly different helmets because they contain the communication devices to hear the play from the coach potentially making them more susceptible to concussion due to the placement of the devices in the helmets.
As Mania points out, they have outlawed helmet to helmet tackles and even leading with the helmet, but their tackling technique leaves a lot to be desired. Many players tackle with a leading shoulder at the legs (the opposite way to how we are taught) which endangers the attacking players legs, but also leave the tackler more vulnerable to a change in direction by the attacker.
But while i have pondered whether they need helmets in the NFL, I think there would be so much incidental and accidental head contact that players would only be at more risk not only from the big head clashes but all of the “repetitive collisions”. Lineman jumping out of a crouch and driving forward in to another man, you are going to have head clashes. Linemen sweeping around behind a team mate to create a block are going to run into rushing defenders and there will be head clashes. Etc, etc…
I don’t see how rugby or rugby league could be perceived as a “safer alternative” to American football. I think the risks while slightly different are still fundamentally the same. How do you promote it? “Hey moms and dads, we have a contact tackling sport which is safer than gridiron! How you ask? Well we have taken away all the pads”…. Good luck marketing that…
February 2nd 2012 @ 10:02am
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
BA Sports- nice listening to someone who knows gridiron
“Linemen sweeping around behind a team mate to create a block ” trap. love running traps
yeah theres a lot of incidental contact the helmet does save u from.
as an RB i’d forgotten about the amount of contact my linemen go through. silly me, never take your forwards for granted otherwise you’ll end up smashed.
girdiron hits are by far harder than rugby, but the majority of injuries arent from helemt on helmet its from hitting the ground. ground doesnt move when u hit it and at my age your bones dont bounce they splat.
this is the 2nd article on this site i’ve read where people who have no understanding of the sport go on about how inferior it is. this was an attitude i had before i played and boy was i proven wrong.
no way will gridiron be supplanted in the US. its a great sport. stop trying subverse it your wasting your time.
there is a place for gridiron and rugby tho. gridiron in the summer, rugby in the winter
February 2nd 2012 @ 10:49am
soapit said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
plus ur looking behind you to catch the ball when you get tackled in front. in rugby you have the ball safe and can prepare and protect youself for impact.
February 2nd 2012 @ 10:36am
Working Class Rugger said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
B.A Sports
It’s seen as a safer alternative in the US due to the degree of importance they place of teaching the safest and most correct means of tackling most notably with the shoulder. American footballers are taught to use their pads as a weapon in means to effect a tackle. Technique while taught isn’t as paramount and this causes the issues. That is why Rugby particularly in the US is emerging as a safer alternative to American Football for those more inclined toward contact sports, the numbers don’t lie and the exponential growth of the game at the Youth and High School levels are proof in point.
February 2nd 2012 @ 11:16am
B.A Sports said | February 2nd 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
WCR
I agree watching the game (without ever having played) that the tackling technique of American Football players appears to leave a lot to be desired and that they could learn something from League/union. My wife often comments on it also.
I can only assume, given the level of sports science associated with American football, that the size of the padding worn may make it more difficult to make driving tackles with the shoulder, maybe its a range of motion issue, again, never worn the pads, so I don’t know.
But if Rugby/League (i refer to both because i don’t want this to become ANOTHER league v union thread) were to sell them selves as safer simply because they teach better technique, as soon as they made any sort of dent in American Football’s numbers, they would simply start teaching new techniques in pee-wee football.
All i am saying is, while i don’t think Rugby/League could ever make a serious dent in the American sport landscape, breaking through with the marketing campaign of because it is “safer” iwill not be the way any sport over rides 100 years of tradition…
February 3rd 2012 @ 11:09am
soapit said | February 3rd 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
there are rarely offloads passing while running and play of the balls in gridiron so they only have one concern and that is stopping the player without making any ground and its rare. they also are able to commit to a tackle more as its usually not one on one defending due to the lack of passing once the past the line of scrimmage and a miss from over committing is more likely to be covered by the next bloke running toward the single target.
also as all the equipment creates extra mass it then means players are being hit with more force. might be insignificant increases though.
February 3rd 2012 @ 1:13pm
soapit said | February 3rd 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
take out the “and its rare” bit and it ahould make sense, obviously decided to abort that sentence.
February 2nd 2012 @ 9:55am
Manoa said | February 2nd 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Something of a rugby revolution seems to be happening in the states. I read the other day that 2700 kids between 8 and 16 turned up to a 2 day rugby carnival in San Diego.
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February 2nd 2012 @ 10:42am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | February 2nd 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Gatsey even though I am with you on the subject of rugby being a great game, comparing one sport to another is always going to get you up to your arm pits in alligator poo. I am with you in amazement as to the amount of padding Americans use to play gridiron. However they are and have always been a bit over the top in everything. I would suppose that if they take up Rugby seriously they will be more padded than an Egyptian mummy. In saying all this with a small bit of tongue in cheek I don’t mind watching Gridiron occasionally. On the subject of physical contact I’m 66 and play Oldies, I could wear red shorts to avoid contact but to me the best part of playing rugby is getting smashed a couple of times, rolling around on the turf wrestling for the ball on the bottom of a ruck and in my case pulling of a tackle every now and again. It might hurt like hell and I will feel it for a week after, “but this is heaven”. If I have to avoid contact that will be the day I give it away, that’s what it is all about in my view.
February 2nd 2012 @ 11:50am
Sledgeandhammer said | February 2nd 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
As I have mentioned before, I once had dinner with Colin Scott, the first Austrailan to play NFL. He initially spotted playing schoolboy rugby in Australia by talent scouts and taken to Hawaii university together with some other guys including Paul Sironen. Anyway, Colin Scott said the mentality of NFL was completely different to rugby (admittedly he played in amateur era). Colin Scott said that NFL player deiiberately tried to maim each other in the tackle, and he felt that if these guys ever played rugby, serious injuries would occur.
My view is that in rugby union, there is an unspoken rule that you are tackling to stop the player, hopefully turn him over and win the ball, but not kill him. In NFL however, given lack of possession for the ball you are simply protecting yardage. In rugby league, the big hit is also more part of the culture as once again you are trying to protect metres at all costs. I was a league player who switched to rugby in my teens, and I was always a big hitter. But this wasn’t necessarily effective in rugby where the big hit was less important than making a constructive tackle.
So my final point is rugby should never promote itself as being the hardest warrior sport or whatever. It is an incredibly tough sport, but there are subtle differences in the spirit of the game which explain the lack of regular big hits etc. As the game becomes more global the pressure to be safer will increase.
February 3rd 2012 @ 11:14am
soapit said | February 3rd 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
i disagree that serious injuries would occur mate. they would be to puffed after the first couple of minutes to do anything much. gridiron is short intense bursts with long rests.
February 3rd 2012 @ 12:29pm
Jaceman said | February 3rd 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Best summary of the difference between the codes I have seen for a while. The ball is the aim in Rugby, NFL and NRL have 4/6 tackles so the idea is destroy them while they have the ball..
February 2nd 2012 @ 11:56am
Hoy said | February 2nd 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
I love watching NFL. I don’t know a great deal, so feel free to call me an idiot.
I think their tackling technique is ordinary. Plus I have always thought that the reason people wear so much padding, is that people wear so much padding. I say “padding” but the shoulder pads have hard plastic casing. To me, the only reason to wear that casing, is to protect oneself from other people’s casing. If they had softer padding like rugby shoulder pads, noone would need hard casing on their padding. But then, if they had softer padding, would that make the game different? Probably woudln’t have so many massive bodies throwing themselves around.
February 2nd 2012 @ 12:44pm
mania said | February 2nd 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
your not an idot and have it spot on
when we were in aus playing the downUnderBowl against american pre college sides we got to know them really well
we’d invite them over to our rooms to party and they gave us a wealth of knowledge about gridiron in every aspect of the game
but the one thing they asked us about was tackling. we were told that we hit them harder than they’d ever been hit as individuals as well as gang tackling.
we told them that we all played rugby and league and we didnt need pads to tackle and the only reason we wore all the equipment was because of the helmets. we didnt need them except to protect ourselves from other helmets.
so yeah pad’s and helmets begets more pads and helmets.
for safety reasons there is a minimum of padding u have to wear. helmet, mouth guard, shoulder, thigh and knee pads. i as a running back and linebacker and had extra padding for my tail bone (lots of hits in the back when your the ball carrier) and forearm (used my fore arms and elbows a lot ) and knuckle pads (occasionally when a ref wasnt looking i’d throw a punch at the helmet to get seperation).
a lot of players (mainly the little guys) had loads more padding than i had and i was the one doing the hard yards.
so u have the minimum that you have to wear but then the rest is preference.