Australia’s rugby writers can’t see out of their own backyard
By Crash Ball, 12 Feb 2012 Crash Ball is a Roar Rookie
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- Brian O'Driscoll, Ireland Rugby, Rugby Union
I rarely agree with the The Times‘ chief rugby correspondent, Stephen Jones. In particular I argue with his views on the haka, southern hemisphere rugby, and the experimental law variations. Yet I respect him as a rugby writer.
When I don’t agree with his perspective, I appreciate the analysis and understanding he has for the game and its players, even if sometimes I believe it can be misguided.
I like Jones’ style. The way he recounts games is unmatched by rugby scribes in Australia. He recognises talent and eloquently praises it. I remember reading my first Stephen Jones article and was unsure whether he was recounting a game of rugby or describing an artistic masterpiece.
For better or worse, Jones is an influential rugby identity.
Peter Bills is my second favourite writer. He rarely bothers with the quotes of other people, instead preferring his own analysis.
Will Greenwood, Brian Moore, Paul Ackford, Brian Ashton, Stuart Barnes, Hugh Farrelly, Vincent Horgan, Tony Ward and Mick Cleary engage with the issues in the game.
These gentlemen write articles that generate discussion. They criticize and offer solutions.
I cannot say the same about Australian rugby journalists.
Perhaps they are expected to do too much. They write articles on the players during the week, give an overview of sorts on Fridays or Saturdays, recount games on Sundays, and analyze on Mondays.
Give staff writers the midweek stuff so that those considered to be our best can produce quality on Friday, Saturday or Monday. Get rid of the garbage.
My criterion is simple: give me your opinion.
I don’t really care about feature articles, nor quotes dressed up as articles. I want to know who is good or bad and for what reasons. I want to know a team’s strengths and weaknesses, and why. I want to know how we can improve the game.
Spiro Zavos is the best analyst, and my favourite. I regard him as the game’s best writer. His research, analysis, contacts, sources and exclusives are unsurpassed. He engages with the game’s issues and shrewdly assesses them.
I found his recent contributions on the election of the IRB’s new president, and on Manchester City’s approach to John O’Neill, were both original and insightful. I am somewhat biased as I rarely disagree with his opinions, but as a writer I’d give him a 9 out of 10.
Wayne Smith, who now writes on cricket, is or was my second choice. 7.5 out of 10.
I give Mark Ella, David Lord, Bret Harris and John Eales a 7. Ella is happy to be controversial; Lord’s history and statistics are fascinating; Harris engages with a variety of issues; while the similarities between life and rugby are not lost on Eales.
Adam Frier has potential but is too colloquial. Matt Burke, my childhood hero, is too positive and not balanced. This confuses me as I enjoy his radio analysis. For those gentlemen, 6.5 out of 10.
Greg Growden is not enjoyable to read. I don’t care about the politics of the NSWRU. An ‘article’ should not be 80 percent comprised of a quote. That is lazy journalism. His occasional good article bumps him up to a 5.5 out of 10, but those are the exception rather than the norm.
During last year’s World Cup, my major criticism about mainstream rugby writers in Australia was their failure to make readers aware of the key players in northern hemisphere sides. In contrast, the northern writers had been doing exactly this since 2009.
The Australia versus Ireland pool match was always going to be crucial. From the week leading up to their draw at Croke Park in 2009, right up until the day of the pool match at Rugby World Cup 2011, the Irish rugby writers identified key Australian players, strengths and weaknesses.
Analysis on Six Nations games in 2010 and 2011 would include insights into parts of the game that needed to be won in order to build toward the Australia game.
The Irish rugby public went into the pool match educated about the Wallabies. The same did not happen here.
The coaches and players are aware of the opposition, but the public was not. Sean O’Brien, for instance, was the European Player of the Year on the back of his form in Leinster’s 2010-2011 Heineken Cup winning season. He was brilliant against Australia in the World Cup. Yet many fans had never heard of him, largely because the major newspapers writers don’t seem to care about or follow what happens in the north.
Brian O’Driscoll’s age is referred to before Australia versus Ireland tests, implying the Blackrock man is passed his best. But Northern Hemisphere writers do not make the same mistake.
They see him frequently enough with Leinster and Ireland to know he is still devastatingly good. He will sit on the sidelines for the entire 2012 Six Nations, but none have written he will not be seen again.
Former England international Mike ‘the doormat” Catt played in a Rugby World Cup Final at the age of 36. In 2003, at the age of 32, some argue Catt’s performance in the quarterfinal versus Wales saved England the World Cup. Jonny Wilkinson struggled with his kicking that day, and Catt provided the necessary stability.
O’Driscoll just turned 33. Catt isn’t half the player O’Driscoll is. But if Brian O’Driscoll is fit for the next Ireland v Australia test, I’m anticipating Growden’s usual “aging warrior” chat. The subtext: O’Driscoll is past it.
Wrong.
Yet the fans are none the wiser. We expect a chief rugby correspondent to know what he is talking about.
Wrong again.
For me, The Roar is where Australia’s premier rugby analysis is being generated. Whether it’s professional writers or punters, this is where I come for the rich rugby chat I crave.
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February 12th 2012 @ 12:42pm
sheek said | February 12th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Crash Ball,
Pretty good analysis of the Aussie writers. I agree there’s a lack of appreciation of northern hemisphere players, but that can cut both ways.
Certainly, I was less appreciative of the skills of NH players going into the WC, & it would have been helpful if our SH writers were more helpful in this regard.
Well done Crash Ball, a good read…..
February 12th 2012 @ 2:32pm
Colin N said | February 12th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
Certainly an admittance from someone who has continually bashed English rugby over recent times. I personally never understand why people form opinions on what other people say without watching it themselves – it’s rather lazy.
February 14th 2012 @ 10:29am
soapit said | February 14th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
what is your opinion of english rugby after watching their games against scotland and italy?
February 12th 2012 @ 12:46pm
Johnno said | February 12th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Was this article written by some one who works for the roar, it sounds like it.
February 12th 2012 @ 1:02pm
sheek said | February 12th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Johnno – such cynicism……….
February 12th 2012 @ 1:17pm
Johnno said | February 12th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
I am sheek, i agree. I notice sheek you defend David and Spiro sometimes, you have said this before they cop a lot of stick unfairly. Do you you work for the roar too sheek. You also have defended John O’neil too. I can’t stand JON I am looking forwad to when he quits the ARU in 2013 , with a big good riddance mate to JON from JohnNO. Do you work fro the ARU too sheek, I might ask too mate.
February 12th 2012 @ 9:21pm
sheek said | February 12th 2012 @ 9:21pm | Report comment
Johnno,
It takes an effort not to let personal feelings interfere with the facts. We’re all guilty of it, even me.
With regards to O’Neill, I doubt he’s the kind of guy I could work for, or with with. Or want to. But that doesn’t stop me admiring what he’s done for Australian rugby.
Dislike him, or hate him, all you like. But we owe him a lot for managing our game well, not once, but twice.
February 12th 2012 @ 9:50pm
Johnno said | February 12th 2012 @ 9:50pm | Report comment
Sheek I agree mate you make a lot of sense as usual mate. But what really gets me about John O’neil, but i’m sure it takes 2 to tango, but I don’t think JON managed George Gregan well. They seemed about the last 5 years of Gregan’s playing career not on speaking terms. Gregan felt JON did not listen to his complaints, but like I said it takes 2 to tango Sheek.
February 13th 2012 @ 9:14am
sheek said | February 13th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Johnno,
I think Gregan is a similar personality type to O’Neill. They were two peas in a pod. They probably deserved each other!
Heck, you can’t base this one example on O’Neill’s tenure as CEO. Gregan rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. He derided John Eales as a management suck. From what I understand, he forced MacQueen to resign as Wallaby coach early because MacQueen was fed up with his bitter sniping.
February 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm
soapit said | February 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
johnno all this accusing/misdirection makes me start to think you probably work for the roar and are just trying to cover your tracks
February 12th 2012 @ 2:03pm
mikeylives said | February 12th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Growden is not a good rugby reporter IMO. He has that rumour mill / anecdotal column – monday maul as his own, but it is just a puff piece that I couldn’t give 2 hoots about. I want some good analysis of the game just played and some gee-up material about the next one. End all the crap about the NSW board until the season is over and allow the public to support the team.
February 12th 2012 @ 2:44pm
Onor said | February 12th 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Yea sheek!!! who are you working for???
February 12th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Sam Taulelei said | February 12th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Why should it matter, how is it relevant?
There is a strong tendency on the Roar for people to play the man and not the ball when offering criticisms and opinions.
It’s an easy game to play, draw a line in the sand and anyone who doesn’t agree with your personal opinion is against you and vice versa.
I agree with Colin N’s comment that all too often people criticise the effort and achievement of a team without ever having watched the game of if they do, it’s always through a prism of biased comparison and stereotypes.
Stephen Jones is a writer that is often demonised and pilloried from this side of the equator. His opinions are forthright and designed to spark opinions but then name me one sports journalist that doesn’t do that?
I used to automatically dismiss anything from Jones pen without giving him the courtesy of reading and understanding what he’d written and surprised myself by agreeing with him at times even when he’s been highly critical of the All Blacks and NZ rugby.
While I don’t always agree with some of the articles that are submitted on the Roar, I do appreciate and respect the efforts of the writer because as someone who use to be a regular contributor on this site I know how difficult it can be to come up with a fresh idea and write it weekly.
March 4th 2012 @ 4:27pm
Jon said | March 4th 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
I just think Stephen Jones is wrong alot.
He makes sweeping generalisations without the support of facts, jumps to conclusions and makes glaring ommisions.
I do like reading his stuf,, it’s very entertaining, and as you say always designed to provoke opinions and discussion, which can be a good thing. But I read his stuff thinking “what crazy crap is he going to say now”, not “what an insightful and even handed appraisal of the situation”.
So he’s funny and entertaining and always good for an outrageous statement, but I find him rarely on the mark, and usually disagree in some way with what he’s saying.
February 13th 2012 @ 9:19am
sheek said | February 13th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Onor,
As far as the Roar is concerned, I don’t work for anybody. What a silly, silly, silly, silly person you are.
And Sam – thanks for the support.
February 13th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Sharminator said | February 13th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
Sheek works for a company called “SRTCECITWETIE¨ …. Super Rugby To Cover Every Country In The Word Except Those In Europe …
It dosnt matter what the issue is .. he always relates it to expanding Super rugby to his crazy dream of SANZAR taking responsibility for the development of rugby everywhere except Europe. I thought thats what the IRB was for ..
February 15th 2012 @ 12:59pm
jeznez said | February 15th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
I thought that was KPM and that Sheek was more in favour of tweaking Super Rugby to allow a fully functional ARC to develop
February 12th 2012 @ 3:34pm
Muleta said | February 12th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
I whole heartedly agree with this article
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February 12th 2012 @ 4:24pm
drama city said | February 12th 2012 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
An excellent piece of writing Crash Ball (with which I totally agree).
February 12th 2012 @ 6:19pm
Brendan said | February 12th 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Crash Ball
You say; “I appreciate the analysis and understanding he has for the game”. You’re joking right?? I clearly remember him saying in 1995, with the advent of professionalism, when people were talking about changes to the game to make it more exciting, that if lifting were alowed in the lineout that would mark the end of the specialist lock because they would no longer have to jump for the ball. With the benefit of hindisght we no that statement to be completely wrong just look at the likes of Victor matfield for proof. The conern though is that we’ve never heard from the old duffer that he got it wrong with that call, so presumably he still believes his own drivel.
As a South African I have other reasons to laugh at the nonsense he writes in the TImes. A few years ago he wrote an article which listed the 10 worst South African props. Some mentioned were very average props by world or international standards however his worst of the 10 was Os Du Randt. I contrast that with comments from great tight heads who played against him like Olo Brown who said he was his most difficult opponent.
He seems to have a dislike of the three Southern Hemisphere teams (SA, Aus, NZ) in general and a hatred of Super rugby in particular.
In fact if you care, go on to Facebook and you’ll find a site dedicated to his dislike. It seems, by the names of the “friends” of the site, that they are mostly Irish so it makes me wonder what he wrote to annoy them? In fact there is a story about him getting the ferry over to Ireland years ago and got so drunk on the ferry and in the pub in Dublin that he never made it to the game. Apparently he had to get someone on the return ferry to relate what happened in the game, which formed the basis of his “article” in the Sunday Times the next day!!!
February 12th 2012 @ 6:20pm
Atawhai Drive said | February 12th 2012 @ 6:20pm | Report comment
Crash Ball, when did Stephen Jones work for The Times? He joined the Sunday Times as its chief rugby writer (“correspondent”, in Brit speak) in 1982 and still occupies that position, to the best of my knowledge.
The point is relevant because, as a Sunday newspaper journalist, Jones has just one deadline day a week, Saturday. Certainly on match day Saturdays he has to battle the clock, churning out his match reports and analysis. But he has a whole week to write all his other stuff. Daily newspaper journalists have five deadlines a week.
I used to like reading Jones. He could be provocative and stimulating, never missing an opportunity to wind up his southern hemisphere critics, many of whom were only too willing to fall into the traps he set for them.
But I use the past tense advisedly. Jones vanished behind a paywall in 2008 and I have read little of his work since. He may well be filing more frequently for the Times and Sunday Times websites, but it’s impossible to know. Out of sight out of mind, to an extent.
And yes, as Sam Taulelei says, let’s play the ball and not the man. Contributors to The Roar should not have their motives impugned on no evidence. “Debate” of this kind is best left to the lost souls who ring up squawkback radio stations.
February 13th 2012 @ 2:15pm
mace 22 said | February 13th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Agree Atawhai I used to read his articles before you had to pay for the privilage. I can’t remember him writing anything complimentary about southern hemisphere rugby. But that could be my selective memory kicking in, The only time his philosophy on rugby had any credibitity was from 2000 to 2003 when england ruled the world, with their boring ten man rugby.
when in the second paragraph he writes “I appreciate the analysis and understanding he has for the game and its players” and then says,” even if sometimes I believe it can be misguided” What the writer is really saying is stephen jones is wrong in his analysis of the game of rugby is flawed.
February 12th 2012 @ 7:08pm
hog said | February 12th 2012 @ 7:08pm | Report comment
Agree about the roar being the best source of quality rugby discussion in Aus, after living in melb for 20 years where Rugby is pretty much ignored by mainstream Melb media i came across the roar last year and really enjoy the articles and discussions.
February 13th 2012 @ 2:19pm
mace 22 said | February 13th 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Not only in australia hog. Anywhere on the net period. Have signed up to other rugby discussion websites, but these have nearly always ended in slanging matches by one eyed supporters, with no real discussion on the subject matter.
February 12th 2012 @ 7:20pm
Mario said | February 12th 2012 @ 7:20pm | Report comment
Agree completly, one thing that bugged me was that there was no attention giving to the one or two stars a lesser nation might have in the team. Italy for example have Sergio Parrise and Martin Castriogivani, both ARGUABLY the best in there positions in the world, yet none of the rugby public in Australia would have thought that Italy would have world class players such as them.
February 13th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Sharminator said | February 13th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
intersting choice of words “none of the rugby public in Australia would have thought that Italy would have world class players such as them” …. ironic you didnt say “Italy would have PRODUCED world class players such as them” not sure if the missing word was intentional or not .. both of them grew up in Argentina.