Giants lose NAB Cup games but win respect
By mds1970, 20 Feb 2012 mds1970 is a Roar Guru
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For AFL newcomers Greater Western Sydney, the pre-season is of particular importance, as they settle their line-up and prepare for their debut regular season appearance.
With that debut little more than a month away, the pre-season competition got under way this weekend. For all teams involved, it’s an important hit-out, a chance to work on game plans. And for youngsters, fringe players and recent draftees, a chance to showcase their skills and make a claim for senior selection.
The first round of the pre-season competition is played through a set of triple-headers, with each side playing 20-minute halves against two other teams.
Drawn to play against Western Bulldogs and Collingwood at the GWS home training venue at Blacktown, Greater Western Sydney’s NAB Cup campaign also presents an opportunity for supporters to have a look at the AFL’s newest club.
Overcast and threatening afternoon skies may have scared some fans away, but the potential downpour didn’t come. And a crowd of 7,086 turned up to take in the action: not a great number, but the vast majority were in the charcoal and orange of the Giants.
Many experts had predicted the Giants would be easybeats, with bookmakers offering the relatively short odds of $11 that they would not score a goal in either game.
Early in the first match against the Bulldogs there were danger signs. Perhaps over-awed by the occasion, the Giants struggled to man up and defend as the Bulldogs started with two quick goals.
The Giants got on the board though, and those who had taken the bet on the Giants failing to goal would have to rip up their tickets as Curtly Hampton converted a free kick from 40 metres out.
It would be their only goal in the first half. But the Giants lifted after half time, and with the first goal of the second half got back to be only a goal down, while the crowd began to find their voice.
Then disaster struck for the home side, with a free kick sending the Bulldogs into attack for Daniel Cross to goal. And worse was to come, with an inexplicable free kick in the teeth of goal gifting Matthew Panos a goal and opening a match-winning lead.
The free to Panos evoked the wrath of the crowd; and anyone who thought there would no passion in the supporters of the new club would soon have that idea swept away as a tirade of angry abuse was sent over the fence to the men in green.
The Giants refused to concede, and co-captain Callan Ward, playing against his old club, landed a nine-pointer; with a late goal to Rhys Palmer getting them back to within a kick. But they were unable to conjure up a late winner, going down by just five points; only the controversial free to Panos denying them the upset win.
The Giants took a breather while the Bulldogs were joined in the middle by Collingwood. A scrappy and low-scoring contest saw only seven goals scored, and a seven-point win for the Magpies.
And then it was time for the final feature of the night, with the newcomers taking on grand finalists Collingwood.
Adam Tomlinson got an early goal for the Giants, and a spectacular individual effort by Rhys Cooyou sent the crowd into raptures as the Giants took a shock six-point lead to half time.
When ruckman Jonathan Giles goaled in the first minute of the final quarter, the chance of an upset was in the air.
It wasn’t to be, as the Magpies fought back, and an early nomination for goal of the year by Jackson Paine, threading the ball through from a near impossible angle from the boundary, saw them take the lead late.
The Giants had a chance to steal victory in the final seconds, with Tomlinson having a chance to mark within scoring range, but the Magpie defence held firm and the siren sounded to give the Magpies a narrow three-point win.
The Giants didn’t win either game. But they may have won something more than points. They may have won some respect from the football world.
Far from easybeats, they fought out both games. Far from being thrashed, they could have won.
Ruckman Jonathan Giles showed his value to the new franchise, among the Giants’ best in both games. Former Melbourne captain James McDonald had class against the Bulldogs, while Phil Davis was solid in defence in both matches.
Cooyou showed plenty of attacking flair and Stephen Conoglio plenty of potential. Most fit players got good of game time, which will be vital preparation for the season ahead.
And so the crowd filed out of the stadium. For the Collingwood fans, the satisfaction of two wins. Bulldog fans could celebrate one.
The vast majority, in the colours of the Giants, left with the knowledge that the newcomers were competitive, good enough to match it with their opponents.
They also left with a greater sense of optimism that their team will be good enough to take their place in the AFL.
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February 20th 2012 @ 8:41am
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
There were many positives coming out of the Giants’ first official hit out as an AFL team. As mds said, they looked the part, and blokes like Hampton and Cooyou looked like very exciting prospects. The other interesting thing is that much of the effort in both games was left to the U20 players, most of the senior players didn’t play in the second game, so that’s a positive in itself.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:05am
Ian Whitchurch said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
I actually hadnt realised Sheedy had done that – I kept looking for Cornes as a loose man in defense and so on, but kept just seeing the kids (my footy record saw a lot of work checking jumper numbers).
February 20th 2012 @ 8:47am
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
mds
you left out on important bit, that Izzy played all four quarters for 3 touches, and for the most part, couldn’t get anywhere near the ball, the one time I saw him get both hands to the footy in a marking contest, he dropped it, recalling that most of the time his opponent was an inexperienced AFL player.
This article in the HS is even more critical:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rugby-league-convert-israel-folau-looks-out-of-his-league-in-afl-debut/story-e6frf9jf-1226275014323
It’s still early days, and I always thought that he’d be learning the game in his first full season of AFL, as Hunt had to last year, but at least in his first NAB cup games, Hunt got his hands on the footy.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:03am
Ian Whitchurch said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
The Cattery,
I can see how someone watching the game on TV could see that, but watching from just over the fence in the forward pocket I could see Folau run, make leads and present for the football.
For example, the Bugg goal was scored because Folau led into space, sucking defnders whith him and allowing space for Bugg to run into and mark.
In short, Im happy with how he went as a full forward.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:40am
Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Ian,
I think Folau was also given little chance to receive the ball from any sort of structure or set up play from the midfield. As was the case with the Suns, young kids play at a million miles an hour and just move the ball forward with numbers in any pattern possible.
Jason Dunstall kicked a lot of his goals because he use to receive the ball laces out on the lead from the midfield.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:46am
Matt F said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
I thought that his effort and defensive pressure was very good. It’s a massive step up from the NEAFL to the AFL so he really is basically a first-year player. He also seemed to have one of those frustrating games where every time he went near the ball it seemed to bounce the other way.
Sheedy’s initial comments a month or so ago that he would kick 40 goals are way off, especially given GWS won’t be kicking too many big scores this year, but if he can average a goal a game and create good defensive pressure in the foward 50 then he will have had a very good debut season.
February 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm
mds1970 said | February 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Izzy didn’t make much of an impact. He’s still learning the game. And there’ll be some days when he’s getting delivery, generating leads and finding himself in scoring range, and other days when the best he can expect to do is draw defenders while creating space for team-mates.
Had he made an impact, it would have created plenty of discussion and would be worthy of a mention in an article such as this. There’ll be days when that happens.
February 20th 2012 @ 4:47pm
dan said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Izzy had an impact when he sent Shae McNamara flying.
February 20th 2012 @ 4:52pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
heh, heh, true, but Shae did gather and get an effective possession away before getting hit, but good on Izzy, Shae’s a pretty big unit in his own right
February 20th 2012 @ 9:45am
Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
MDS,
You’ve commented on the 7,000 crowd at Blacktown which was OK. It seems our NRL friends think this was wrong. They of course, they know all about BS crowd figures, but I guess they didn’t factor in the Grandstand was behind the camera for most of the match and as 3 teams were playing some fans came later (Pies), others left early (Doggies). This was because the matches were in order, GWS v Doggies, Doggies v Pies, GWS v Pies. From first hand I was told the ground was about two thirds full.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:58am
Matt F said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
The other thing to remember is that in Sydney, pre-season games are just simple trial games. There’s no organised pre-season competition with TV coverage in the NRL or Super Rugby (except the all-stars and charity shield one-off games for the NRL) so pre-season has never held any significant for most Sydney sport fans, apart from reading how their team went and who looked good for the season. In that context 7000 is a very decent crowd, on par with many NRL trials.
We really can’t read too much into their crowd figures until the real season begins, especially towards the end of the season after they’ve copped a fair few beltings.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:06am
Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Yep and lets face it everyone has considered them non-competitive for 2012 (which is still true as GC found out in the real season), so there is no success bandwagon to build a fanbase, YET.
I would expect modest home crowds of 8-10K for all of 2012.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:17am
Matt F said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I think the average will be a bit higher because the novelty of the new team will bring people through early on and the first match against the Swans will draw well, but if they can still get crowds of 10-12k+ by the end of the season they will be doing extremely well.
February 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm
mds1970 said | February 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
I’d agree with that estimate of the ground being about two-thirds full. In an 11,000 capacity stadium, the crowd figure looked about right.
To put it in perspective, it’s a similar number to the crowd at the Sydney Roosters v Wests Tigers trial at Campbelltown on Saturday night.
It’s an OK number, but not in the realm of popping champagne corks in celebration. Hopefully those who attended liked what they saw enough to come to the opening round game against the Swans on 24th March.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:48am
Lachlan said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Definetly won respect and they can only get better and more experienced as the year goes on. They’ll win 2 – 3 games. I was impressed with Giles, Cooyou and no. 2 forget his name.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:23am
Ian Whitchurch said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Lachlan,
That’d be Curtly Hampton – he’s from Alice Springs, and was playing in the under 16s at 14, and in the national under-18s championship at 15.
February 20th 2012 @ 9:52am
Matt F said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
The kids clearly have some talent and they will be a hell of a team in a few years but to put it into perspective, GC actually won a game at this stage last year, against Sydney (actually two if you count their win over GWS as well,) and still received many thrashings once the real season started. They’ll be more competitve then most people have suggested, indeed claims that they won’t win a game all year are over the top, but if they can match Gold Coast’s first season they will have done extremely well. I’m thinking 1-2 wins.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:20am
Ian Whitchurch said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
MattF,
For me, its not how many GWS lose, but how they lose them.
If they do like they did against Collingwood, and run, tackle, harass and pressure, then I’ll be happy even with no wins.
If they show a tendency play like Melbourne, that is to retreat to a disorganised rabble who play bruise-free football when it gets hard, then I’ll be unhappy, even if they manage to scrag a couple of games against other poor sides.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:29am
Matt F said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Very true, though I suspect you will get a mix of both, which won’t be surprising given the age and inexperience that will be in the team.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:09am
Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
At least now we know we’ll get a competitive first half at least from GWS in the opening round. Keen to see Hampton & Cooyou again.
February 20th 2012 @ 10:56am
Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Pay tv ratings
http://www.astra.org.au/ArticleDocuments/116/ASTRAWeek7.pdf.aspx
AFL takes 7 of the top 10 shows with Coll v GWS pre season game the highest rating sports program of the week.
February 20th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Ted Skinner said | February 20th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Here they are
http://www.astra.org.au/ArticleDocuments/116/ASTRAWeek7.pdf.aspx
Top 10 Sport Broadcasts
1 LIVE: NAB CUP COLLINGWOOD V GWS FOX FOOTY Sat 21:25 259 ‐ 1366 466
2 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD FOX SPORTS 2 Sat 19:30 244 ‐ 1423 514
3 LIVE: NAB CUP BULLDOGS V COLLINGWOOD FOX FOOTY Sat 20:20 242 ‐ 1472 471
4 LIVE: NAB CUP HAWTHORN V RICHMOND FOX FOOTY Fri 20:55 238 ‐ 1387 468
5 LIVE: NAB CUP GWS V BULLDOGS FOX FOOTY Sat 19:00 222 ‐ 1325 445
6 LIVE: NAB CUP NORTH MELBOURNE V HAWTHORN FOX FOOTY Fri 19:50 214 ‐ 1215 506
7 LIVE: NAB CUP RICHMOND V NORTH MELBOURNE FOX FOOTY Fri 18:30 169 ‐ 970 384
8 NAB CUP RICHMOND V NORTH MELBOURNE FOX FOOTY Fri 22:00 105 ‐ 1104 346
9 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE BRIS V MELB V FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 19:30 79 ‐ 1419 282
10 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE MELB H V G CST FOX SPORTS 1 Fri 20:00 61 ‐ 1313 193
Last year at this time:
http://assets.astra.org.au.s3.amazonaws.com/39e2fc05ec30a045fe437ceab7adc6d1/ASTRAWeek8data.pdf
Top 10 Sport Broadcasts
1 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 SYD V GC FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 20:55 312 – 1482 521
2 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 GWS V GC FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 21:50 287 – 1290 462
3 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 GWS V SYD FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 19:00 245 – 1347 568
4 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: REBELS V WARATAHS FOX SPORTS 2 Fri 19:30 231 – 1312 516
5 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 19:03 224 – 1434 482
6 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 3 WC V HAW FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 19:30 185 – 1487 443
7 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 3 HAW V FRE FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 20:56 173 – 1406 363
8 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: BRUMBIES V CHIEFS FOX SPORTS 2 Sat 19:30 139 – 1447 408
9 LIVE: CRICKET: WORLD CUP WARM-UP FOX SPORTS 2 Sun 19:40 124 – 1258 572
10 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD PRE GAME FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 18:30 121 – 1196 226
They (the NAB games) seem to have gone backwards.
February 20th 2012 @ 3:17pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Ted
It’s an interesting comparison.
Soccer fans might well argue that they are the big winners, having gone from zero games in the top 10, the year before, to two games in the top 10, with an average rating of 70.
League had two shows in the top 10 last year, with total ratings of 345, down to one show, with ratings of 244.
The AFL had five games in the top 10 last year, with total ratings of 1,202, but this year are up to 7 shows in the top 10 with total ratings of 1,449. You will also note that the average ratings for those 7 shows has gone up – and each of those shows ran for over three hours.
I’ll tell you another thing, how did the AFL get 7 shows in the top 10 with only 6 games? Because one game got in the top 10 twice, the first showing got 169, and then the replay four hours later got another 105, for total ratings of 274.
And this is a perfect example of why Fox went so hard after the AFL games, when a replay can make the top 10 – that’s getting bang for your buck! The 8 or so talk shows will get similar ratings to that replay, and helps explain why the Fox Footy station has been resurrected. Lots of hours, averaging lots of ratings.
February 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
Sorry – the average for those 7 shows hasn’t gone up – my error.
February 20th 2012 @ 3:19pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
Alhtough if we were to compare the ratings for the six NAB cup games against six, then the average has clearly gone up.
February 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm
Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
Cat
Sorry I think its a bit early to be drawing conclusions but promising for the AFL nonetheless. I think the AFL are figuring on 17K at Skoda per fortnight…
February 20th 2012 @ 5:27pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
I agree, it’s very early, Fox Footy been going for two days only, but I’m still amazed that a replay of a NAB cup game made the top 10 (and another was just outside the top 10).
February 20th 2012 @ 6:08pm
JVGO said | February 20th 2012 @ 6:08pm | Report comment
Cattery, again in your absolute desperation to claim a victory for the AFL at every turn you have ended up babbling incoherently it seems.
Correct me if I’m wrong but on the face of those figures it would appear that the charity Shield, which I expect is the only NRL game broadcast during that week, maintained it’s ratings from last year almost exactly, which would sort of make sense and make a good benchmark while every other timeslot for the AFL has declined, even though the total number of subscription viewers during each slot seems the same.
Your contention that the NRL went from 2 progams in the top 10 to one is patently wishful and absurd as one of the two slots last year was the pregame for the Charity Shield and the other one was the Charity Shield itself. Similarly Super rugby hasn’t started this year, and the Cricket WC isn’t on of course.
And you wonder why people just can’t help but laugh at all you AFL guys and your complete lack of objectivity. Your desperate gamble on this $200 million Victorian attempt to turn NSWmen into international sports eunuchs just like yourselves, and your obsession with its success appears to consistently cloud your thinking.
February 21st 2012 @ 10:31am
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
JVGO
I didn’t put up the comparison, one of your comrade-in-arms did, and yes, last year there were two NRL shows in the top 10, and this year there is one – last year there were five AFL shows, and this year there are seven – I’m telling you precisely what’s in the top 10 – are you able to see that? I can’t make it any plainer than that.
You are correct that the peak viewing figure from one year to the next has dropped for the AFL, and I am saying that countering that, the six NAB cup games this year got more than the six NAB cup games last year – are you able to discern that? Let me know if you need assistance in reading the numbers.
Finally, with only six NAB cup games – how did the AFL get seven shows into the top 10?
I’ll tell you – this is the really interesting bit – one of the replays of the games has made it into the top 10, and another was just outside the top 10 – that’s the really interesting part of the story – a replay of a game actually made it into the top 10.
Maybe that sort of thing has happened before, I don’t know, but considering it’s only a pre-season game, I thought that was interesting.
February 21st 2012 @ 10:38am
The_Wookie said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
The bst part is one of the games that was replayed on friday was replayed again on saturday – where it was 15th and rated 53,000 lol
February 21st 2012 @ 10:45am
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Wookie
the second replay of a game the day after was still ranked 15th??!!
Do you have a list of those shows from 11 to 20?
February 21st 2012 @ 11:00am
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
JVGO
if you’re interested, and I’m sure you are, you can get further info here:
http://www.astra.org.au/ArticleDocuments/210/FOXFOOTYANINSTANTHITWITHVIEWERS.pdf.aspx?Embed=Y
“LIVE NAB Cup broadcasts accounted for six of the top seven most watched programs on subscription television last week,topped by Saturday night’s clash between 2011 Grand Finalists Colllingwood and newcomers Greater Western Sydney which drew an average audience of 259,000 – the biggest audience for an opening round NAB Cup fixture in subscription TV history.
After the first six LIVE matches on FOX FOOTY, average audiences rose 23% above the 2011 average for the opening round of NAB Cup broadcasts on FOX SPORTS”.
February 21st 2012 @ 11:56am
JVGO said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
So up against no competition you are celebrating and jumping up and down about not even beating yourselves last year?
February 21st 2012 @ 12:23pm
The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
JVGO
I can only go by Fox’s numbers, they are saying a 23% increase on last year.
I think one problem we see witih league fans such as yourself, you readily pin your hopes on one big game, or a few big games, a few high peaks, but you don’t understand that ratings are measured and totalled over a 7 month period – and it’s that volume over that long period, over the many, many hours that are broadcast, the many, many, many hours, that matter above all else.
That’s where the money is coming from.
February 20th 2012 @ 5:38pm
stabpass said | February 20th 2012 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
What do the actual 3 figures represent …….. anybody ?? 259 ‐ 1366 466
February 20th 2012 @ 9:54pm
JVGO said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:54pm | Report comment
That’s two figures SB. 259,000 viewers of the AFL out of 1,366,466 total viewers of the pay network during that slot.
February 21st 2012 @ 9:50am
stabpass said | February 21st 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
I thought the first was average, the second. the amount of viewers available and the third, the peak.
259 ‐ 1366 466
February 21st 2012 @ 11:37am
Jaceman said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
JVGO,
I thought I read the Charity Shield was up 10% on last year which is a good result given saints following as Saints were premiers in 2010 and somehow managed that and a trip to the UK before the season..
February 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm
clipper said | February 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
What happened to the charity sheild pre game ratings – didn’t they have it this year?
February 21st 2012 @ 8:53pm
stabpass said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:53pm | Report comment
No it appears you are wrong, the last total is reach, have a look 259 ‐ 1366 466
Here they are
http://www.astra.org.au/ArticleDocuments/116/ASTRAWeek7.pdf.aspx
You cant seriously think that there is 1,366,466 total viewers, there are 1,366, 000 total viewers, the reach is 466,000, 259,000 is the average viewers.
February 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm
JVGO said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
So 259,000 is the people who have nothing better to do, 466,000 includes the people who flicked over to check the score or didn’t really want to watch it and 1,366,000 are normal people? I should have known there aren’t 1,366,466 normal people in the country. 466 too many.
February 24th 2012 @ 4:19pm
Nathan of Perth said | February 24th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
Uh, the 466 is listed as “Weekly” which, to my understanding, includes the replays during the week. 1,366 is STV, the total viewership as in that amount of people who had Foxtel on, on average, whilst the program was being broadcast. The 259k figure is the people who watched it live.
Or when translated into Trollish, “had nothing better to do”.
February 24th 2012 @ 9:02pm
stabpass said | February 24th 2012 @ 9:02pm | Report comment
I understood that the 466 was the peak audience for the night, but at any rate JVGO got it wrong, very wrong !!.
Those ratings must be fantastic, if foxtel can say 1,366,466 people watching precisely.
February 21st 2012 @ 8:02am
Redb said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
So you looked up last years Nab Cup games to ‘try’ and find a negative. – L on your forehead.
NRL lost.
February 20th 2012 @ 12:02pm
ac said | February 20th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Look REDB i think the problem from where i sit with AFL is I really really really like the game. My last football match was a AFL game between the Swans and Hawthorn. But I also am over the contrived hype that goes on with AFL. The notion it is the best game and is the game we all need is wrong. Kevin Sheedys tactics are just too much. I like the way the North Hobart football club welcomed the NRL game between Storm and the Broncos to Hobart. Got 11,700 and another 3000 kids for a total attendance of 14,000. This is in a place where NRL has no presence. But the difference is their was no hostility. In other Markets the AFL is very aggessive and taking the two players to cement thir image in the respective markets (Gold Coast and Western Sydney) was poor form. Thats all i complain about AFL has as much right as anyone else to be where they want. The game is a wonderful game but it gets a little bit too much to see people from AFL constantly bagging out other codes. Then when some one replies they get shouted down. Be happy that AFL is a great sport and will carve out a nice niche for itself in Western Sydney. But also be happy that other codes are played to and whilst they mighten be your favourite realise they are to other people. If AFL stands on its own merits as a game it will do well, if it stands on the contrived popuilarism of marketing people etc then i think the Sydney Public wont stand for it.
Pklease dont bag me out for having my say. It applies to other codes having a go at AFL too,
February 20th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
I cant speak for every NRL or AFL supporters views but funny see my post above, when the Storm went to melbourne no-one cared – it seems the NRL have some concerns which is why they are scheduling heavily against the AFL…
I note on the March 24 game GWS v Swans, bizarrely the Manly St george game (venue to be determined) is up against it on Saturday night – the last 2 premiers couldnt get a TV game (ie be in the top 4 games) and all western Sydney teams are playing in West Sydney that weekend. Channel Nine can show the NRL Saturday night game live if they pay Foxtel 300K – what are the chances???
I would like to see the day when the Cairns NRL whatevers sponsor a pre-season AFL game.in Cairns..
February 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm
stabpass said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm | Report comment
This is a very good point, when was the last time a RL club promoted a AFL match, such as North Hobart Football club did for RL.
The Sydney media would go troppo, just out of interest here is a snippett of news from Port Macquarie playing the local code war card, getting the locals all fired up.
http://www.portnews.com.au/news/local/sport/general/rugby-league-needs-to-work-harder/2458271.aspx
February 20th 2012 @ 11:26pm
clipper said | February 20th 2012 @ 11:26pm | Report comment
It’s quite sad that they had to push the AFL going up 400% and league declining story instead of having a feel good story about more kids getting involved with sports instead of joining the obesity statistics.
February 20th 2012 @ 3:08pm
NF said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Conspiracy theory strikes again Jaceman you wear that tinfoil hat so tightly when it comes to league don’t you.
February 20th 2012 @ 4:24pm
Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
NF can you explain the NRL scheduling then…I have a couple of theories for AFL and RU too so NRL isnt special..BTW Watergate was a conspircay as was Lincolns assasination and the Archduke in 1914 as well. I think that was what you were confused with…
February 21st 2012 @ 12:20am
NF said | February 21st 2012 @ 12:20am | Report comment
Jaceman
By all means tell me your theories about RU and AFL but to me you constanly mention RL the majority of the time as a easy target I say plus not to diss the code you support which I assume is either RU/AFL. So spill the beans Jace I’m curious.
February 21st 2012 @ 11:51am
Jaceman said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I never said NRL was an easy target but from Webster in the Tele this morning
“This is a city we have a long-term ownership of,” marketing director Paul Kind said. “With the Sydney draw, with the way it’s been laid out this year, with the strength of the Sydney versus Sydney games particularly over the first six rounds, it makes sense. Sydney is the place where this game has been front and centre for more than a hundred years. It makes sense for us to spend our dollars here.”
The battle for hearts and minds in Sydney will be under close scrutiny this year with new AFL franchise GWS on the precipice of their debut season. Accordingly, the game’s powerbrokers agreed late last year to tailor the draw to strike back at the aggressive stance of their rival code. A series of blockbuster games will be held in Sydney in Round 4 to coincide with the Giants’ first home game.”"
So the draw has been tailored….
How about the South African RU referee keeping Australia in the RWC 2003 Final when it was live nationally so a close game was imperative – went to extra time…a Harriganesque performance
McGuire rushes out the Malthouse/Bucklety changeover announcement the night before the AFL announced the Hunt signing – Channel Nines Hutchison knew of the Hunt signing and the Nine’s AFL footy show barely mentions the Hunt signing even though it was the biggest football story of the year…
Anymore…
February 20th 2012 @ 3:57pm
The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
GWS website pumping up the fact that it was the top rating show on Fox:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/giants-a-ratings-success.html