NRL and AFL can co-exist in Western Sydney
By John, 1 Mar 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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According to all the major news organisations, a battle is about to begin in the Western Suburbs of Sydney.
A Lord of the Rings type battle, where one group of people peacefully ply their trade in the one location for hundreds of years, and another group of people from a faraway land desiring world domination attempt to take over.
Words such as “turf war” have been bandied around, and already many shots have been fired. No one’s been killed yet, but it’s anticipated that soon somebody will be.
It is that serious that grown men are warning their peaceful counterparts that a monster is arriving, it claims to be nice and friendly, but in actual fact it’s not. It’s a monster that wants to brainwash our children with smiley faces and destroy their futures.
This pretty much sums up the sensationalism created with the arrival of the GWS Giants. The AFL is here to take over and unless the NRL does something then one hundred years of tradition will be thrown out the window.
In some circles, the view is that the NRL mightn’t even bother to fight the AFL because it won’t win, the AFL is superior in every way.
Western Sydney is a very big area. It stretches out from Parramatta, to Penrith, down to Bankstown and even Campbelltown is regarded as a part of Western Sydney. I’ve lived in Parramatta my entire life and I’ve never even been to Campbelltown.
Approximately two million people live in this area, with many different cultures, religions and languages making up Western Sydney. It’s such a large area that the NRL boasts four fairly successful clubs: The Eels, Bulldogs, Tigers and Panthers.
Apart from St. George, the Eels, Bulldogs and Tigers probably generate the most interest in terms of crowds and viewership in Sydney across all codes, and the Panthers now have Phil Gould working away at his ‘mini revolution’ at the foot of the mountains.
The rivalry between the Eels and Bulldogs for example is huge; their clashes have for the last few years attracted crowds in excess of 30,000 and television audiences of 5-600,000. They even attracted 75,000 to a preliminary final a few years ago. 30,000 maybe nothing in comparison to AFL crowds but by Sydney standards are pretty decent.
The rivalry and tribalism between the four Western Sydney clubs is something the AFL will never have in Sydney, it just doesn’t have the numbers. Over time the GWS Giants will build a pretty decent rivalry with the Swans but it won’t match that of the four Western Sydney Rugby teams.
It’s also important to remember that Rugby League is not the same competition it was five to ten years ago. It’s grown significantly in crowds, membership and television ratings. It is aware of the fact that it needs to start doing more to continue its growth.
Will I be supporting the Giants? No. My club is the Sydney Swans and has been since mid-2005, when I saw the Swans beat the Bombers on a Saturday night and fell in love with Australian Rules football. Let’s not kid ourselves and think that people can’t follow both, I follow both almost equally.
But let’s not talk about the drawing up of battle lines and boundaries because if the AFL knew what was good for it, it doesn’t want to appear as a threat to Rugby League. We Western Sydneysiders are very parochial and tribal about our football clubs and anything that threatens them, we’ll turn against.
The Giants can carve out their own niche, because as I said, people can follow both codes. GWS has two very good coaches in Kevin Sheedy and his trusty sidekick Mark Williams who have five premierships and nine grand finals between them.
Their team includes Graeme Allen, Stephen Silvagni and good facilities. The AFL has given them every opportunity to connect with the community and grow its brand.
The clubs choice of using Blacktown as its training venue is an interesting one. If any GWS player reads this article please don’t ever walk around Blacktown after eight o’clock. I think after a few weeks of training there you’ll understand why.
GWS has a boutique sized stadium at Homebush, Skoda Stadium (The Sydney Showground) which is a fantastic ground. However Homebush is an hour away for those living in Penrith, and it’s not going to be easy enticing people from out there. Sydney is notoriously difficult to get around, no matter what part of the city you live in.
The poaching of Israel Folau is an interesting one. I understood the Suns going after Karmichael Hunt, everybody in Queensland loved him. Hunt played for the Broncos and Queensland, and was very good at it.
Israel Folau on the other hand isn’t the most popular figure in Western Sydney; he’s caused us too much heartache to love him. Folau played for the Melbourne Storm, Brisbane and Queensland…No one likes them out in the suburbs!
It isn’t like I’m hoping that the Giants fail, in fact I hope they do well!
But let’s be realistic and understand that the paranoia from Rugby League circles is unnecessary and the chest beating from certain sections of the AFL is also unnecessary.
For example, when Phil Gould described the AFL as a monster that was working towards generational change attempting to wipe out Rugby League, I wondered if Phil had any confidence in the Rugby League game itself? It is an amazing game that creates many highlights across many platforms.
Consider players such as Ben Barba, Jarryd Hayne and Benji Marshall. Haven’t they excited many a Western Sydney crowd?
On the other side of debate, I remember when Dermott Brereton said that the NRL can’t take on the AFL and win because the AFL was too well-resourced. I thought Dermott clearly has no idea what the Western Sydney sporting culture is based on and is ignorant of what Rugby League has already built in Western Sydney.
The Giants will struggle at times and succeed at others. There’ll be a full house when they play the Bombers at Skoda for the first time, but when they play Port Adelaide or North Melbourne the crowds will drop. No need to death-ride the club when its down and say that its failed, and no need to talk it up and say that the AFL is taking over in Western Sydney when it attracts a decent crowd.
I thought Tim Sheens summed it up beautifully when he talked about the fact that the Tigers and Swans won premierships in the same year. The attention and focus both clubs received was huge and because one was successful, it didn’t detract from the success of the other.
So go the Swans and go The Eels!
Let’s get the footy back, no matter where it’s played and no matter who plays.
As long as we’ve got the footy.
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March 1st 2012 @ 7:41am
Sam el Perro said | March 1st 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
“Over time the GWS Giants will build a pretty decent rivalry with the Swans but it won’t match that of the four Western Sydney Rugby teams.”
Parramatta Two Blues, Penrith Emus… Who are the other two teams?
March 1st 2012 @ 7:51am
mds1970 said | March 1st 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Of course all codes can, and do, co-exist.
But code war articles sell newspapers and get hits to sport sites. So of course there’ll be more code war articles.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:58pm
JVGO said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Some codes get bigger like the AFL, some go broke like the NBL, some have clubs who go broke like the A-League where a clubs licence has been removed after one season of competition from AFL in its region, some codes desperately cling to a futile dream of domination like RU. Some sports watch their participation rates decline like cricket.
March 1st 2012 @ 8:07am
Crosscoder said | March 1st 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
They can co exist,but this(media stuff) has been going on for ages,with Folau constantly being plonked in front of our eyes on the box.just get on with it.It and his constant referencing is boring as bat’s ……
.And for once I agree with Oikee,this being thrust into the rugby league section is out of kilter,in fact just another promotional effort for another sport.Keep it in that sport’s section.No further comment .
March 1st 2012 @ 9:05am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 1st 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
The things rugby league will have to do to match the challenge of the AFL are the things they should hace been doing anyway.
Closer connenction to the fans by pushing football club memberships.
Better development of young players, and clearer career path between 16 and 20.
More effort on growing the game in the various communities.
Balancing the needs of the code with the needs of the club.
This was the boot up the arse rugby league needed, in short.
March 1st 2012 @ 11:45pm
Queensland's game is rugby league said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:45pm | Report comment
“More effort on growing the game in the various communities.”
Which is why a strong Queensland Cup and NSW Cup is a necessity. If the state competitions are profitable then the money made from them can go towards the local clubs and junior development.
Local clubs could help convert children to the game by holding clinics for schoolchildren. A bloke who is only earning a pittance in the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup would be willing to participate in these programs if there was a financial reward attached to it.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:19am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Qgirl,
Absolutely. I’d also be linking the Qld and NSW Cup to the NRL by playing the reserves sides of the NRL clubs in them – the model is the NEAFL, rather than ‘affiliated clubs’ that see players played out of position and what not.
Padding out clinic staff with local comp players is workable, but I think you’d need the players the kids see on television to get the excitement factor going.
The problem is, as always, money. Money that goes the the lower layers of the code isnt making NRL club executives lives easier by coming as a lump sum to help with player payments and so on, and so they are more likely to be demanding it goes to them so they can “avoid losing players to competing codes”, and so on.
March 1st 2012 @ 10:38am
me, I like football said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
I too don’t understand why this is in the RL section. Perhaps The Roar think they can generate a gretaer response here.
March 1st 2012 @ 8:17am
The Cattery said | March 1st 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
There is room for all of us. We can all get on.
March 1st 2012 @ 8:42am
Australian Rules said | March 1st 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
The most sensible “code” article written in months on this site.
I’ve said ad nauseum…the Storm enriched Melbourne, just as the Roar did in Brisbane, the Jets in Newcastle, Suns & Titans on the GC, the Force in Perth, the Cowboys in Towny…more sport makes those towns better places to live. Not an AFL thing…a sport thing.
Cue the ridiculous and defensive comments from Oikee and CC…completely missed the point of the article.
March 1st 2012 @ 8:53am
Antonio said | March 1st 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
except for Fold Coast United
March 1st 2012 @ 12:25pm
oikee said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
No we have not missed the point. Yesterday AFL put up a post on the rugby union site, today you have one on our site.
Our code starts tonite and already even before a ball is kicked we have to deal with cross-code debuts which end in code war. I am asking the moderators for enough is enough. All i want to talk about this year is rugby league, League,
Even if we were dying or going under, i am prepared to die with the ship on this one.
This is the Titanic, not the Concordia.
March 1st 2012 @ 9:32am
Crosscoder said | March 1st 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
AR
Cue the expected one.
Defensive? Now you wouldn’t be defensive with your response.!
I have stated all codes should co exist,yet we are continually having the same old thing rammed own our throats,on a rl board.We have admiited all codes can co exist ad infinitum ,we agreed .let it rest.
Can’t imagine a thread similarly done when the Reds come in on the AFL section.
Yawn!!
March 1st 2012 @ 10:40am
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Well I don’t know if we’ll see an article like that or not, but I sure would like to find out! (hint hint, nudge nudge, Independent Commission)
March 1st 2012 @ 11:50am
Crosscoder said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Nathan of Perth
All we want the I.C to do ,is to grow the game,measuredly,calculatingly and always with the game and the community involved being utmost in their minds.No bombast,no arrogance ,no poaching high profile players to use for marketing purposes,thus no antagonism.
The I.C. for the code,is a new innovation,the we co exist stories have been done to death.
What other codes do,it is out of rugby league’s control.I will watch other codes’ major events’ ,
March 1st 2012 @ 12:11pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
I don’t care if they come into Perth with Gallop carried by porters at the head of a brass marching band or if they deliver the news with hidden notes left by a bevy of imported ninja, I just want the IC to hurry up and decide on the expansion issue already!
March 1st 2012 @ 12:27pm
Crosscoder said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Nathan of Perth
July melad ,July.You cannot contemplate expansion ,if you do not know the final washout of the Tv deal.Why? Priorities.Financial stability of current clubs.Grassroots.Then expansion.
I think it is fair to say no expansion in 2013,doubtful 2014,certainty 2015.
The announcement will be done tastefully.Kim Kardashian and Hugh Hefner with their ensembles providing the entertainment(and I use teh term advisedly).Gallop just tthe formalities.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:31pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Well, alright, but if its anything past September I’ll expect Kate Upton to be part of the announcements.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:07am
Crosscoder said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Nathan of perth
Kate Ellis more likely.
March 2nd 2012 @ 12:27pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 2nd 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
I can live with that. Far better conversationalist for that matter.
March 1st 2012 @ 10:58am
Australian Rules said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
CC, I was referring to Oikees comments (which have been taken down) which talked about “this is war” and “mess with us and you mess with the whole family”, “stay off our RL board” and other such dross. Other’s seem to be wading in below. Agree…yawn.
March 1st 2012 @ 11:53am
Crosscoder said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
You cited me as an example AR,I can do nothing but respond in my defense.
My position is unequivocal,lets get on with the games,all codes have to live with competition.And I sincerely want that borne in mind should Perth be included in heh next expansion phase of the NRL.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:16pm
oikee said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Why cant aussie rules or anyone wishing to write a story about aussie rules, just write the story on their own site under aussie rules. League fans just want to talk about our game, Come on, we have had 5 years of this and they remove my posts.
Wonder if Clive Palmer had as much trouble as i am here on a rugby league blog, trying to talk about our own game and having posts removed.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:42pm
Albert said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Okiee. I think you’ve missed the point of the article. The author’s merely commenting on the strength of rugby league is western sydney, and how the AFL won’t be overtaking anytime soon. That’s what I got from it.
March 1st 2012 @ 2:20pm
JVGO said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Very interesting propietary attitude displayed here Australian Rules. Love your work. The author of this exemplary article is actually one Tony Roll. The fact that it contains nothing but empty motherhood statements no doubt pleases all the mothers down south.
March 1st 2012 @ 2:41pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Anyone named Tony Roll who is not a Holy Roller is a wasted opportunity.
March 1st 2012 @ 2:45pm
Pete75 said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
He’s hot!
March 1st 2012 @ 2:52pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Is he Italian … Herb & Cheese?
March 1st 2012 @ 9:52am
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
GWS are here, for how long remains to been seen. The AFL lost 23 million dollars last year becuase of expansion, (i read that somewhere i dont know it for fact). They are only interested in the TV deals as is RL and that is why they expende3d there. AFL is only huge in Victoria, All other states crowd attendance is on par with NSW and QLD. We do not need to panick as we believe we have a superior product and that is all that matters. Look after our own backyard and we will be fine. I think we should completley ignore them as far as talking about them goes and make sure we promote our game that has been played in West Syd for 100 years and the status quo will continue for another 100 years.
March 1st 2012 @ 10:34am
stabpass said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Why dont you rephrase that statement and say Australian football is huge in Vic, SA,WA, NT and Tassie, and is arguably the biggest code in southern NSW, and has quite a good presence in places like Cairns, Brisbane, GC and the ACT.
March 1st 2012 @ 2:16pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Ill prefice it also by saying League is big in England,NZ, France, NG,
March 1st 2012 @ 11:50pm
Queensland's game is rugby league said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
“has quite a good presence in places like Cairns, Brisbane, GC and the ACT.”
The Northern Pride RLFC, who are based in Cairns, are aiming for 5,000 members this year. None of the Aussie rules club in the region are able to get that much support.
March 1st 2012 @ 11:04am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Paul,
Here are some crowd figures across the two codes, in reply to your “AFL is only huge in Victoria, All other states crowd attendance is on par with NSW and QLD. ”
Average West Coast Eagles home crowd in 2011 37436
Average Adelaide Crows Home crowd in 2011 35020
Average Brisbane Lions home crowd in 2011 20462
Average Brisbane Broncos home crowd in 2011 33209
Average Newcastle Knights home crowd in 2011 19186
Average Canterbury Bulldogs home crowd in 2011 19528.
By the way, Canterbury didnt have a great season last year, and still got substantially better crowds than the other Sydney NRL sides. If I was running a NRL side, I’d have a look at what they are doing, and copy it.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2011.html
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/2011.html
March 1st 2012 @ 6:56pm
AGO74 said | March 1st 2012 @ 6:56pm | Report comment
Re canterbury and what they Are doing – cheap season tix. $100 for general admission season pass. Hard to beat.
March 1st 2012 @ 7:22pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Good move for ‘em. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle; once they get to games with the cheap tickets, the crowd and atmosphere will go up, which fosters more demand. And then you can start getting the memberships back up for earning more money for the club.
March 3rd 2012 @ 5:55pm
Jaredsbro said | March 3rd 2012 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
Maybe but after all Rugby League is different from the AFL attendances phenomena. I actually think RL will always be lower personally…the trick is to realise that and make the most of it
March 1st 2012 @ 11:23am
me, I like football said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
“AFL is only huge in Victoria, All other states crowd attendance is on par with NSW and QLD”
No doubt the AFL is bigger in Victoria than anywhere else due do it being an extention of its state league. but Australian Football is just as huge in SA, WA and Tas as it’s in Victoria. people in WA ans SA combinded are 63% more likely to go to an AFL match than those in NSW and Qld are to go to an NRL match last year
March 1st 2012 @ 11:26am
Albert said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
63%! Please tell me where you got that number from?
March 1st 2012 @ 11:37am
me, I like football said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Total 2011 NRL attendances in NSW+Qld = 2,572,238
Population of NSW+Qld = 11,884,400
Attendance rate = 0.216
Total 2011 AFL attendances in WA+SA = 1,413,813
population of WA+SA = 4,003,400
Attendance rate = 0.353
0.353/0.216 = 1.632 = 63.2% more likely
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/2011.html#ven
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2011.html#02
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0
March 1st 2012 @ 11:37pm
peeeko said | March 1st 2012 @ 11:37pm | Report comment
i cant believe that we have gone back to this – quoting code war figures. obviously now a nrl fan is going to jump in and say crowd figures are not the only factor in deciding a crowds popularity , you have to look at the tv audience as well. its almost like certain people carry around these figures waiting to use them!
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:10am
Crosscoder said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
We are talking Western sydney and of course greater canberrra whatever ,stick to subject,please.me I also like football.
March 2nd 2012 @ 12:37pm
me, I like football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
just replying to Pauls ignorant comments
March 1st 2012 @ 12:17pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
No its not, its the only main sport in SA and they average 55k supporters between 2 teams and no competition. Only you Victorians are Sports Fanatics, the rest of the country has other things to do on the weekends.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:00pm
me, I like football said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
You have to take populations into account which is what I did with my response to Albert which is still awaiting moderation alomst 1.5 hours later
March 1st 2012 @ 1:29pm
JamesP said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Whilst I agree with you that Victoria is the sporting capital of the world, I think you underplay the importance of Australian Football in SA and WA. WA has 2 teams that are limited by the constraints of Subiaco. 2 teams with 40k+ members each and West Coast has a decade long waiting list. When the new stadium opens, expect combined average attendances of well over 100k. Similarly with SA – Adelaide crows still have a waiting list on membership – and that will still be the case when the new Adelaide Oval opens. Expect combined average attendances there of close to 100k.
Now, do a per capita analysis of Sydney NRL crowd figures…well, I’m sure you can figure it out…
March 1st 2012 @ 1:49pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Whenever the state government can finish bickering about the bloody stadium. 60-70k seat stadium will be the biggest outside the big two (MCG/ANZ). Ironic that attendance is actually being suppressed by the fact there are too many members who want in that people are hanging on to their memberships even when completely unable to attend…
March 1st 2012 @ 12:14pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
“All other states crowd attendance is on par with NSW and QLD.”
Umm, what?
March 1st 2012 @ 12:20pm
Redb said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
yeah pretty sure the Eagles and Dockers ave the same crowd as the Broncos do in Brisbane, that’s two AFL teams in one city (Perth) to one NRL team in a much bigger city (Brisbane).
The Crows also would average around the Broncos.
AFL is as big in SA and WA, as RL is in QLD.
March 1st 2012 @ 4:33pm
Boomshanka said | March 1st 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
Yes SA & WA also only have one code of choice, hence it is “big”
March 1st 2012 @ 5:02pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 5:02pm | Report comment
A) We have Union
B) We’re trying to fix the missing NRL link but your bloody IC is being hesitant! Bunch of teases!
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:12am
Crosscoder said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
RedB
Subject matter is not crowds elsewhere.Another thread hijack.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:23pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Well what would you say, i googled the home game averages for WA on AFL, its 71 k for 2 Teams with only 1 RU franchise and 1 Soccer franchise. NSW has 10 teams plus soccer plus RU domestic competition, you do the maths
Umm What?
March 1st 2012 @ 12:47pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Approaching this from a state-minded parochial position rather than code-minded…
Well, lets see, going by the home averages posted by RLeague and Footywire, the number of NSW and QLD teams, whether NRL, SR or whatev, that out average either the Eagles or Dockers are …. oh, none.
Number of teams in their weight bracket: 1, Brisbane Broncos, 33.2.
Combined attendance averages of St Georges, Wests, Parramatta and Penrith: 63k, or 15.75k per team
West Coast Eagles, 37.5, Fremantle Dockers, 34.5
And the Force outdraws the Brumbies and is closer to the Warratah’s attendances than it has any right to be given one is heartland the other is expansion.
That’s no definition of “on par” that I would roll with.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:57pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
What about the 6 other sydney nrl teams let alone the other codes?,
tks for making my point
March 1st 2012 @ 1:10pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
I picked those four to compare like area and population, West Sydney vs Perth. It makes more statistical sense than saying gee we have x teams without paying attention to the demographic differences.
Sydney, 9 NRL, 1 SR, 2 AFL = 12 teams over 4,500,00 = 375k/team
Perth, 2 AFL, 1 SR = 3 teams over 1,600,000 = 533k/team
So you have 70% as many people per team but only 40% as many attendees. The population difference is nowhere near enough to justify the gap in attendance levels.
You’ll have to make your own point on this one, Paul.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:01pm
Redb said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
Spot on Nathan.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:23pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Nathan, You left out a team prob on purpose because it shoots your argument down. And youve forgotten the RU domestic comp. And WA has population of 2.5, where did you get 1.6 ???? so by your own calcs
NSW = 346k of people per team available if all teams avg 20k thats 6% strike rate
WA = 833k of people per team available if all teams avg 35k thats 4% strike rate
Be fairdinkum!! i Didnt even count the RU teams in the equation.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:27pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Why would I include the population of places like Albany or Geraldton for determining eligible population; do you want me to include all 7+ million of NSW in the calculations?
March 1st 2012 @ 1:31pm
JVGO said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
The demographics of Perth and Sydney are very different. Perth has about 10% of the population of non english speaking background, areas of western Sydney have over 70% non english speaking background. I’d say most of those don’t follow any sport.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:44pm
JamesP said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Well JVGO, Melbourne as a city has more people born overseas that any other. And we all know what sport was born in, and is king in Melbourne don’t we?
March 1st 2012 @ 1:45pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Depends if you count Kiwis, Saffas and the non-English members of the UK as “English-speakers”. I have my doubts
March 1st 2012 @ 1:56pm
Redb said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
Paul,
Nope in fact your statement has been shot down.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:59pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Red B, do you actually read anything before post ? there are approx 10 RU teams that i didnt count in my equation, your into research go knock yourself out. Im trying to work while i blog on here
March 1st 2012 @ 2:24pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Wait, you’re claiming Shute Shield teams???
March 1st 2012 @ 2:34pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Yes, where do u think RU get their supporters from, Super 15 hasnt been around for very long. Doesnt matter the standard is a little of, RU is a different culture just like RL is from AFL
March 1st 2012 @ 2:49pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
What I don’t even
March 1st 2012 @ 12:24pm
Redb said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Paul,
Do some research. throw the $23M loss around all you like, $10M alone was to help build Skoda Stadium therefore a one off.
Dont worry about the AFL’s finances, a lot of initial expenditure for the two new teams, coupled with the small factor that in 2012 the TV deal takes revenue up by a lazy $94M per year.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:27pm
Paul said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
You AFL blokes are so lame. I wasnt even havin a dig at you game, i dont like it. My point was the AFL is not interested in developing the game for any other reason than Television revenue. I dont have a problem with that. And are you Serious, Research!! really?
to blog on this site, sorry mate i have a life which i think you should go get.
March 1st 2012 @ 3:25pm
It's called football said | March 1st 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
All codes have as their main concern attendances & participants. TV rights give more money for this aims. AFL gets more money, so can put more money in. Paul sounds like Clive Palmer!
March 1st 2012 @ 12:35pm
oikee said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Very good, Redb, we wish you all the best of luck. You can now go back to your own blog knowing that you have upset a lot of league fans, (we are a defeated lot)Cheers.
Hope AFL gets to a stage where it is the only sport played.
Now can you please let us get back to our febel sport which is about to start tonite. Thanks for your time kind sir.
Surely Jonathon Browns head injuries or other stories have more interest to you than wasting your time on league sites. Cheers again.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:00pm
Redb said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Oikee, the article is about NRL & AFL.
March 1st 2012 @ 10:32am
Gaz said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
The AFL is totally media driven given the poaching of two NRL stars that arn’t worth a crumpet to them now and putting a side in so called Rugby League heartland in Sydney. All this to attract media attention nothing more nothing less.
The upshot is a $23 Million loss so something at least in the short term is not working for them aside from forums discussing these issues such as this.
The media will continue to report the numbers at games relating to Western Sydney corridor for the rest of the year NRL vs AFL but what does it all mean to the fans. Are they going to stop going to see Penrith play because GWS had more at their last game, I doubt it. An Aussie Rules club sponsored an NRL trial between Broncos and Storm earlier this year in Hobart and was a great success so it shows what can be done.
Can the codes exist, of course they can but when the NRL TV deal is done and more than the AFLs latest offering it will be on for young and old. NRL is without doubt the supiorier product and for it to have come so far in recent years without a competent administration proves its got what the people want. Now that part is in order with the new commission and Channel 10 showing interest , hopefully Ch 9 being shown the door NRL will be instilled in its rightful place No1 footy code in the country.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:36pm
oikee said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
I agree. 100 %.
All i can say.
March 1st 2012 @ 1:21pm
JamesP said | March 1st 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
This posts reminds me of some articles that Craig Foster used to right (albeit in a more mature way than ‘Gaz’) about how soccer would also take its rightfull place as number 1 footy code in the country. That its has years of inept administartion…that its the sleeping giant etc. Well, soccer and rugby league have been around for over 100 years in this country, and in another 100 years we’ll still be reading the same drivel…
March 1st 2012 @ 10:41am
Andy said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
I was forced to play 1 game of afl at my school when i was growing up, and i will never support a netball like version of soccer. Also, as far as i am concerned code jumpers should not be allowed back.
March 1st 2012 @ 12:19pm
oikee said | March 1st 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I agree.
I am confined to 2 words.
March 1st 2012 @ 2:26pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Hey, don’t knock netball, those girls are good at what they do! If there were any justice we’d have given the ANZC enough dough to go fully pro!
March 1st 2012 @ 2:44pm
The Cattery said | March 1st 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Yep, the netball girls get my vote as well.
March 1st 2012 @ 10:45am
Nathan of Perth said | March 1st 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
“RL will be instilled in its rightful place No1 footy code in the country.”
I think your road from A to B might be slightly more complex than simply finding a way to sell the TV rights to someone that isn’t channel 9.