What is the point of Palmer’s “Football Australia”?
By Adrian Musolino, 2 Mar 2012 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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Clive Palmer and his Gold Coast United club have been booted from the A-League AAP Image/John Pryke
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Another day, another further stride into the mire for Australian football, thanks to rogue Gold Coast United owner Clive Palmer.
Now the game has a new body, ‘Football Australia’, led by Palmer to either remove Football Federation Australia or campaign against the governing body.
It’s hard to tell.
‘Football Australia’ has a name, conveniently similar to the Football Federation Australia’s, a logo and even a slogan – “We Kick Harder”.
Yes, you read that right, “We Kick Harder”.
At that point, I was sure this was a joke, until Palmer revealed Archie Fraser, the former chief of the A-League, as the inaugural CEO of his new body.
Now we know why Fraser, who we thought was an in the know observer, was so fervently backing Palmer and raising the prospect of a potential breakaway league.
Yet from their first day of existence there were huge contradictions coming from ‘Football Australia’, Palmer and Fraser. While initial statements suggested the aim of the newly found body was to replace Football Federation Australia, in keeping with the breakaway insinuations, in later media briefings they were quick to distance themselves from leading a breakaway league separate of the current governing body.
“Secondary competitions are difficult, there are a whole range of things that would have to be sanctioned so that’s not really what we’re about today,” Fraser said to the press, seemingly forgetting his comments from earlier in the week suggesting a breakaway led by club owners was a possibility.
“I would certainly extend my hand to the senior executives and the chairman of the FFA to actually embrace this and get involved.”
So was the easing of the threats as the remarkable day went on in response to the lukewarm response they received from other clubs? Perth Glory owner Tony Sage, who has been a vocal critic of Football Federation Australia, quickly distanced himself from the row. And there was little to no response from Nathan Tinkler’s Newcastle Jets, who must surely be looking to his Wayne Bennett-led NRL club as a welcome distraction from the goings-on with his round-ball club.
If a breakaway league or attempt to replace Football Federation Australia is the goal, then it needs the support of the clubs, so the ball is well and truly in their court. But hopefully we can take from Sage and Tinkler’s silence on ‘Football Australia’ and the other clubs’ unwillingness to engage in this debate as a sign that they are disinterested knowing the irrevocable damage it would cause; that rather than Palmer representing the masses he is leading the minority.
As the clubs have hopefully realised, Palmer isn’t the man to unite behind. Yes, Football Federation Australia has its flaws and needs to reform, but Palmer’s handling of this matter, Gold Coast United and even his other businesses (why has he been involved in 68 court cases?) shows that he is not the right person to led this change.
The clubs should also take note of the consequences of a breakaway. The Asian Football Confederation and by extension FIFA will only recognise Football Federation Australia as the official affiliated member association representing Australian football, for clubs and country.
If they and other Palmer supporters, who remarkably seem to think the code can survive all this, want to see the impact of a rival league, take a look at Indonesia, where the game is in a mess following the creation of a separate, rebel league.
So what on earth is the point of ‘Football Australia’, then? If the intention is work within the current frameworks of the governing body, what role does it play? To “monitor and ensure good governance”, as Palmer described, as an independent football body with some divine right to cast judgment on the government body? So in other words a think tank made up of disgruntled employees?
So are they the right people to provide a fair and balanced watchdog over the governing body? Really?
It’s hard to tell what’s going on in all this. Who would have believed it would have gone this far? On the one hand you could come to the conclusion that these are mere maneuverings as Clive Palmer and Football Federation Australia get set for a court battle over the revocation of Gold Coast United’s licence.
This is perhaps Palmer, with more money than sense, willing to deflect blame and portray his club as the innocent victims of an incompetent governing body by any means necessary.
This is likely a group of disgruntled Football Federation Australia victims eager to fight back, that have the means and desire to create their own shop, grouped together yet unsure of how to utilise this new found power.
Yesterday’s events stunk of a shambolic series of events with the perpetrators not sure where it would all lead.
If we can take anything from the events of yesterday it’s that Palmer and Fraser and any of the other brains of the ‘Football Australia’ operation don’t know what they stand for and where they are going.
Their comments, given their track records, represent the height of hypocrisy – no better than the governing body they are taking up are against. So how can they justify themselves as the saviours of the game – the good against the bad?
The sad thing is by polarising this saga and forcing Football Federation Australia to take up an even more aggressive stance, they are perhaps precluding the reforms of the game this new body is calling for. These actions have further divided a game beset by long-standing divisions.
Perhaps that’s their intention – divide and conquer.
Australian football is well and truly in the mire.
Remember the actual football? There is a final series around the corner, if you didn’t realise.
Adrian Musolino is editor of V8X Magazine, and has written as an expert on The Roar since 2008, cementing himself as a key writer who can see the big picture in sport. He freelances on other forms of motorsport, football, cycling and more.

March 2nd 2012 @ 5:25am
Matthew Skellett said | March 2nd 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
I think the whole idea is to intimidate Mr Lowy into some sort of truce about the vital issues regarding good governance in Football in Australia-Mr Palmer (unless he dies suddenly from complications linked to his morbid obesity )knows he has time on his side -all he has to do is wait until Mr Lowy is out of the way(dies, gets dementia or retires from the game ) and no one else either has the money/power and /or charachter/courage to resist him and Mr Tinkler and then it really will be a mess .
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:02pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
I think Frank Lowy, despite his age is in a greater bill of health than Clive Palmer, Lowy will out live him.
March 3rd 2012 @ 12:01am
Bearfax said | March 3rd 2012 @ 12:01am | Report comment
Sick to death of these super rich egos like Palmer who want their substantial cake and to eat the lot. I’m happy if they want to invest their money into sport, instead of unproductive excesses, but the caveat is that they let the experts handle the workings of sports administration. Seems like they feel that because they’ve bought into a public entertainment that they can play with it like their own possession, like the little boy in the sand pit who grumps when he doesnt get his own way and takes his toys home. Grow up Mr Palmer and let the public enjoy the sport without your interference and temper tantrums please.
March 2nd 2012 @ 5:46am
mobo said | March 2nd 2012 @ 5:46am | Report comment
If he tries to create a league which actually rivals the A-league competition in ambition I’m going to laugh my butt off. Imagine having another Melbourne football team against the Melbourne Victory and the Melbourne Heart. It would be overkill.
If he does create a league it has to be some sort of a national second division league (and it has to be marketed as such) to create another bridge for those playing in the state leagues into the his new league with superior facilities and more money put into the technical science than those state league clubs.
Australia simply cannot sustain two premier leagues going up against each other like Rugby because a) the rules would be the same so their is no divisive reason to like the other league and b) we can barely support the other 9 clubs let along have another 9 or 10 directly going up against it.
Nonetheless it’s still a wait and see proposition but as Mr Musolino pointed out so far things everythings still very messy coming out of the Palmer camp and so it’s hard to be optimistic yet.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:53am
Paul said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
A third club in Melbourne, or one in regional Victoria, would be more viable than one in Gold Coast after this s***-storm!
March 2nd 2012 @ 6:30am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 6:30am | Report comment
Wait until the Fink himself shows up. Then we’ll know for sure its just a group of every body browned off by any aspect of the way Lowy has revolutionized football in this country. Like a better funded SBS, they’ll just sit on the sidelines taking pot shots at the game and the FFA, which will be gleefully reported by the sympathetic press as from “Football Australia” do you think they’ll go to the trouble of explaining the difference between FA and FFA to the general public? For anybody that thinks Palmer has the greater interests of the game at heart with this stunt….I have a bridge I can sell you, its shaped like a coat-hanger. As is said in every Star Wars movie before Sh*t goes down, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this. ” OR, they are so blinded by their hatred of Lowy that they’ll latch onto anything and have zero concern for the welfare of our game. In which case, it looks like there’s a job for you now.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:53am
Pete #205 said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Ta da! I fink I saw a finkster: http://www.espnstar.com/editorial/news/detail/item761983/Fink:-Break-a-leg,-Clive/
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:21am
Griffo said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Yep, still alive and kickin’…
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:24am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
and still a totally predictable one-trick pony:(
March 2nd 2012 @ 4:58pm
TomC said | March 2nd 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Wow. People still pay him to write stuff? I thought his laughable performance on the 7.30 report killed off his sad little career.
Typical personality driven stuff by Fink. Just trots outs his tired old gripes about the FFA.
I look forward to many more years of not reading his articles.
March 2nd 2012 @ 7:22am
Lucan said | March 2nd 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
I’m happy to pot FFA for most of their avoidable errors, but CP is continuing to prove himself an even bigger f’wit when it comes to dragging our game down.
I honestly think it is now time the media ignores Palmer and his football angst and opinions. Sure, report on any legal action he may take as it affects football as we know it, but these press conference stunts are embarassing. As Adrian highlights, and to use management speak (apologies), they’re not even ‘on message’. If he and he cronies could put forward consistent and logical arguments it might be a different story but they keep failing to do so.
We know Palmer and co won’t walk away gracefully, so let’s just stop pandering to his whimsy and close the book on this whole debacle.
March 2nd 2012 @ 7:46am
Puddy said | March 2nd 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
This reeks of the old NSL, Soccer will not get a third chance in Australia, unfortunately Australian Soccer needs the support of very wealthy people like Clive Palmer. Soccer Federation Australia expanded the A-League way to quickly, they didnt consolidate their teams and they are now paying for it.
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:04pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
No it does not need the support of wealthy people like Palmer.
Wealthy people like Bakrie, Sage and Tinkler though are nice.
March 2nd 2012 @ 3:47pm
Bob said | March 2nd 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
Never heard of Soccer Federation Australia, how many associations do we have now?
March 2nd 2012 @ 3:59pm
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
Puddy is a Victorian, you’ll have to excuse him, he’s confused that the world doesn’t bow down and recognize Australian Rules as the one true ‘football’. Its just too much to expect him to understand that just like there are many David’s in the world, right now we have 4 different codes all called football depending on who is speaking. Me I use context to decipher which is being talked about. Still when he can’t get too and to correct, what hope do we have of understanding him?
March 2nd 2012 @ 5:15pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Actually Puddy is from Adelaide, bad luck!
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:19am
toddm said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
how can you bring tinkler into the story he hasnt said a thing yet ?? give the guy a break
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:20am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Football with Clive on the Gold Coast is better than no football on the Gold Coast with Frank Lowy … Go United … go get ‘em Clive.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:28am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
What about Clive inspires you to think he has the best interests of the game at heart? My gut feel is that this is just an ego p*ssing contest with him, billionaire v billionaire with football the meat in the sandwich, If football is destroyed (unlikely) or harmed (very likely), does anyone think Clive will give a sh*t? That is why Clive is a cancer on the game and needed to be excised immediately.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:36am
striker said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Qantas this will never be sanctioned by FIFA nor can the players play for the country so they have no chance of this getting up, its a shame this cancer of a man deserves so much headlines when he makes no sense but does so damage to our game.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:47am
philipcoates said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
QASF, its time to take your GCU glasses off and look at the bigger picture. Clive was no good for GCU – for a hundred reasons already told – and he is certainly no good for football in general.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:48am
Rusty said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
who says there is no Gold Coast under FFA?
Why dont we let the dust settle and see what the FFA are able to do. I dont see why they wouldn’t believe keeping a team on the Gold Coast would be choice A, given the time frame to implement a new team in any other location.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:55am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
I’m almost certain that Gold Coast Utd WILL continue until at least the end of the season, the FFA/PFU will see to it to ensure the integrity of the ladder is maintained. What will be interesting is the next home game with Clive out of the way. Will the GC public take the opportunity to say ”we want HAL football, but CP was such a turn-off that we just stayed away” It will be very interesting on Sunday 18th March at home to Glory.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:32am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
There will be no GCU under the FFA next season. The FFA will use our youngsters to finish off the season then sack them. That’s about what it amounts to. It will be like your employer giving you the sack, then asking you before you clear your desk—can you help him gain a million dollar contract before you depart… How despicable is that sort of behaviour by your ex-employer (FFA)?
March 2nd 2012 @ 3:48pm
philipcoates said | March 2nd 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
At this stage there was no CGU under Palmer next year. He had signed only 4 players to contracts for next year despite carrying on about how great his youth team was. He had also approached FFA in early Feb to get out of his license for next year. Those two things alone show how much Palmer doesnt care about football in GC.
March 2nd 2012 @ 6:22pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
That’s what Ben said and you believe it don’t you—-then if no GCU under Palmer is Ben going to back GCU next year until they find a new owner? Don’t hold your breath. Ben Buckley is a liar I wouldn’t take too much credence of what he says he told Fury he would back them and look what happen in their case.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:14am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
This is not Clive’s doing, this is Ben’s incompetence and Frank’s doing. FFA failed to promote the HAL across the country—this was the original gripe from Clive that they shut theirs ears to—his cries for help in promoting the HAL on the Gold Coast were ignored. If you buy a franchise in Jim Lawn Mowing on the Gold Coast the onus is on the Franchiser to promote the product nationally and in your particular sector of the franchise—not the Franchisee’s responsibility to promote the franchise. Clive sent down his requests for help in a form of points to aid him to continue supporting football with the Gold Coast franchise and they were rejected out of hand. So he spoke up about it in the press and as a result, we football supporters here are without a club on the Gold Coast. The FFA are not going to run the GCU until they can find a new owner, so I’m supporting Clive’s hand in helping him throw out the lunitics running the asylum (FFA).
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:27am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
If you buy a Jim’s Mowing franchise and then p*ss off the customers in your ‘sector’ then you have no right to expect the head franchisee to fix the problems you created. It is up to the head franchisee to ensure you as the new guy don’t tarnish the brand of the entire group by your actions – hence Lowy revoking Palmer’s licence.
Regarding promoting the game: FFA will claim they spent big on the We Are Football Campaign. It was CPs responsibility to build the links to the community, which he failed spectacularly to do. The local guy still has to do ‘ local’ promotion, to continue the Jim’s analogy, he/she must do letterbox drops advertising the availability of a new service in the local area. Only the big spend TVCs running on majpr TV networks/Newspapers are the responsibility of head office. Palmer failed spectacularly to understand that, now he has the hump on and is sooking like a spoilt child.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:54am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
Kasey—I can tell you on the Gold Coast TV network “We are Football” did not appear all season is that promotion? The only way Gold Coasters could view it is by googling it, which I had to do just out of interest. Clive on the other hand had open the gates for free and put on a flood victim match that had good attendances—you can’t expect him to do that all the time. Whereas, the FFA couldn’t be bothered to run a few TV ads “We are football” on Gold Coast network.
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:09am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
My original point stands, whatever happens from here on in: Clive failed spectacularly to make any meaningful connection with the GC community despite the A$18m he alleges to have spent. That is the crux of the matter. No matter how much he sooks, anybody here could have done a better job than he did. He failed to listen to the people he hired to give him football and club specific advice, that is a crucial mistake on his behalf and there is no way he can pin that on FFA.
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:50am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
The $18m also takes in the Gold Coast Premier league comp and grassroots football with a $2k cheque donation presented to very junior club president in our region that stretches from Coffs Harbour to the Gold Coast in every home game at half time.
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:17pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
QSAF, if Clive had any respect for the players, fans like you and Gold Coast United. He would have removed his Free Speech Logo, had it been done out of ignorance, then he would have agreed to remove the logo for this upcoming game against Wellington. No, instead he refused and said he will be wearing it again despite being fully aware of the consequences, Clive has done this on purpose mate, he was already pulling out of Gold Coast United, he told the FFA that he wanted out many weeks ago.
He refused to remove the logo, it’s against FIFA regulations, one that puts Australian Football at risk. Would you rather that Clive’s team continues to play if it means the A-League and Socceroos get expelled from FIFA? This means no AFC champions league, no FIFA players, no Brazil 2014, stripped of Asia Cup 2015 hosting rights. Would you really be willing to completely destroy football in this country for the sake of 1 man’s ego?
I understand your undying love for Gold Coast United, but for Clive Palmer? Backing him is like backing the guy that stole your wife (GCU) and then murdered her to make a point, yet you still think he is your best friend and stick up for him? You would really like to see football in this country destroyed for the rest of your life just for one man’s ego who was going to kill Gold Coast United anyway?
Open your eyes mate.
The future of Australian Football is brighter without Clive, 5 billion times brighter! When Gold Coast get another team, one that properly goes through a process and is approved with a good stadium deal and community backing, which may be in 10 years time when the A-League is stable. Football on the Gold Coast will be 100 times stronger that it ever was and Australia will be better off for it. You want a club that is for all of Gold Coast, all 600,000 of them, not a club that is for just 1 man.
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:52pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Axelv—-OK I’ll go back and be a Euro snob and follow Chelsea FC and be done with Australian Football. Let’s be clear FL and BB are liars. Clive approached them for help and they said they were not going to give it to him and that’s why he had taken the action he did. What was needed was assistance, which they refused him because he is a billionaire—as a result they have duped the whole Gold Coast region when they said they wanted a team on the Gold Coast much as they did with Nth Queensland being sold out.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
Can you provide any evidence for this?
According to the FFA they have tried to help Clive on plenty of occasions, but he has refused assistance. Based on Clive’s behaviour and actions over the past 3 years this would be consistent with the truth.
You can still watch the A-League live in person and watch the best football displayed in this country by driving to Suncorp, you can also watch it on TV, it’s Australian football, I don’t expect you to go for anyone other than to just watch the football though. Although I do recall you saying that Sydney FC is your second team and you support any team that plays Melbourne Victory.
There is the state league, Gold Coast have a team in there, And of course there are the Socceroos, also the AFC champions league coming up, 3 Aussie teams in that, and of course there is the UEFA Champions League, lots of football around still.
In the future when the A-League is stabilized and there is no talk of financial issues in the future, there will be new teams coming back to the A-League, Gold Coast could make a come back and this time they don’t be rushed or poorly planned. They would be a stable club without any speculation on their future and everyone can just relax and enjoy the football.
March 2nd 2012 @ 4:17pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
Yes it’s a matter of who you believe and I did read Clive’s points in the GC Bulletin where he made it clear he wanted changes—related to an increase in what the FFA gave to clubs for player wages—a focus on local talent—assistance to move to a new stadium in Southport where he stated he would spend 250k on new seating—litigation problems with the Culina saga sorted and a whole raft of request that were all denied by the FFA—also more importantly much needed HAL promotion on the GC from the FFA. The FFA refused to act on these requests so he told them them he would then withdraw if they refused.
I saw the Fox internet interview with BB and he told a whole different story—then when BB was asked if the GCU were going to be supported next year by the FFA he dogged the question. He wasn’t man enough to state clearly what his real intentions were going to be for the future of GCU. He just said it was Clive’s responsibility to finish the season when he had revoked Clive’s licence. I mean what was that all about?
As for Suncorp I have no desire to travel 100klms to watch the Roar that I feel no connection with and I don’t have a desire to buy FOX to watch SFC (although I care about them) when I can watch SBS and see the UCL football and Chelsea play, I don’t need it. I have a fixed income now, which doesn’t include FOX, my family’s needs come first. Besides I loved watching GCU, with our local kids play in the flesh—developing into possible future socceroos that was a delight. This has now all been taken away from us Gold Coast football supporters. Shame on BB and FL who lied to us wanting to foster Football on the Gold Coast.
March 2nd 2012 @ 5:26pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Sorry to hear QSAF and I feel sorry for all Gold Coast football fans. I was also disappointed at Ben Buckley, it sounds as if he has ruled out Gold Coast having a team next year. I think if investment, be it from Asia or anywhere came in and wanted to take over Gold Coast, with a clear direction on how to run a football club, to get Gold Coast back into football would be a massive plus for the A-League and Australia, they should at least try, but it sounds as if they have already given up. I know that the Gold Coast community is capable of supporting an A-League team, just not the way it has been over the last 2 years.
You can still see players in the flesh locally if you really want to. Queensland State League has the Gold Coast Stars who play at Runaway Bay Sports Centre. Give it a go, I know I’m thinking of going to a couple VPL games this year during the A-League off season, closest team to me is 25 minutes away and it’s Melbourne Knights
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:30am
Rusty said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Beyond the fact Clive asked the FFA for further assistance (your comments are the first I have read which directly relate to what assistance he asked for, so I can’t comment on that) he failed to connect with the community. I have read numerous posts and articles stating that the local clubs have never had visits form the GCU players. That there is his biggest failure! Forget TV, radio, poster advertising etc, he failed to connect with the football community. The broader community surely comes second in this marketing process, no? If Palmer found it to expensive to send players out then it should have been written in their contracts – most are willing to do it free anyway.
So I go back to the fact that you cannot be blaming the FFA, Frank, Ben, or Lyall for the GCU failure. Second to that Clives smug arrogance (as it seems) is never good for ones brand image.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:43am
mahony said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Without FIFA it is not football and will therefore never happen. I understand the dissapointment of Gold Coast fans – Clibve has treated them with disdain and it was not that long ago you were all saying it. This fact has not changes just becasue the FFA has taken Clive’s toy away. I love Melbourne victory to death – but I love football even more. It’s just that simple.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:00pm
apaway said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
But QSAF, Clive doesn’t give a sh*t about GCU. This is all about him, otherwise, he’d have all those youth players he demanded be pushed into the first team on contracts through to 2015, he’d let fans go to the games and he’d articulate his grievances with FFA in the manner of a responsible business owner rather than some deluded wild west sideshow attraction.
March 2nd 2012 @ 6:51pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
For an owner who didn’t give a sh*t about the GCU youth he attended training sessions—deck himself out with GCU merchandise and attend home games, this man has a lot on his plate. OK, he didn’t give out contracts cheaply, but the policy was clear. A youth policy, was employed for the season with 4 promising kids signed on long term deals with more to come and the last few games we were looking very good. The air of expectation was finally coming back to GCU, under Mike Mulvey (new coach). Palmer’s style was always keeping the FFA guessing, until he could get them to help contribute with some financial support. We have seen him open the gates for free admission on 2 occasions and the fact is he felt he was being taken for granted by the FFA. The problem is he pushed a bit too hard in the end, and the FFA jumped the gun. If Clive really wanted to end the association with GCU he would have just said thanks for nothing FFA and turned out the light, but I reckon he didn’t expect FL to bite back the way he did—-now CP’s back is up and that’s why we are where we are now with all parties. But I do believe he cared about our kids and know it’s all too late..
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:27am
autobahn said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Take a moment to consider Palmers position. He invested in a football club on the belief that the A-League was going to be a rival to the NRL. Those promises never arrived, the money never came. You might argue that he has himself to blame, but I think he was expecting things from the FFA that never happened. It was obvious the club was on the brink last year, but the FFA somehow managed to convince Palmer to continue either through legal threats or more promises. Now he feels like he’s been robbed. When people feel that way they act irrationally. The point is, the root of this problem lies with the administration of the FFA, not Palmer. He HAS been stiffed.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:51am
Rusty said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
How can you say that?
You have no idea what discussions Palmer had with FFA before buying a license.
Palmer is merely trying to recoup lost funds because he didn’t know how to run a sporting franchise that connected with the local community. Its Palmer fail. the guy should have walked away with his dignity that he tried something and it didnt work. Now… well you can see the rest, its just going to be egg on his face.
March 2nd 2012 @ 9:52am
philipcoates said | March 2nd 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
autobahn, how can you possible say Clive has been stiffed. He went into this investment with his eyes wide open. And he has never claimed he was stiffed, or lied to, or mislead in any way. If he had been stiffed then we would certainly have heard about that. All he can do is crap on about the wages paid to Ben Buckley and the failed world cup bid. Both of which have nothing to do with his poor running of GCU and failure to do what was necessary to build a decent community football club on the gold coast.
March 2nd 2012 @ 10:20am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
autobahn—–spot on, Clive was duped in short, by the FFA
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:31am
Michael said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Possibly, yes, but how do you actually know what went on between FFA & Clive over the past few years?
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:55am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
By reading
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:30pm
Axelv said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
I think global warming is responsible for this.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:06pm
apaway said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Autobahn
FFA didn’t cap crowds and close 3/4 of the stadium
FFA didn’t alienate the GCU supporter base
FFA didn’t fail to even attempt to connect with the Gold Coast football and general public
FFA didn’t continually interfere in coaching selections
FFA didn’t insist on the fielding of a youth team in the senior competition or naming a 17 year old debutant as captain as a publicity stunt
Palmer stiffed himself.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:30am
jamesb said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Here is a song dedicated to arrogant billionaire Clive Palmer
Clive Palmer………..your FIRED!
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:31am
Tigranes said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Why would people rush to see another breakaway league when they are hardly packing games out right now?
I bet FFA is ruing the day they got into bed with big Clive.
March 2nd 2012 @ 8:37am
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
There is a subset of disaffected football types that would lap up any attention Clive showed them. I am of course talking about the ex-NSL clubs. If Clive offered to form & fund a ‘break away league’ filled with the ex-NSL teams, I’ll bet body parts they jump at the chance to “stick it to Lowy” and blinded by their hatred and bitterness towards Lowy that they would willingly become pawns in all of this. Of course the ‘break away league’ would be denied Div 1 status by the FIFA recognized FFA and would thus be ostracized (they might shoot for div2(tier II) status. Good luck to anyone foolish enough to get into bed with the ego that is Cartman-land.
March 2nd 2012 @ 11:56am
Nathan of Perth said | March 2nd 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
That … is actually a fairly alarming thought. Could either jump-start or forever destroy the idea of a division two in this country but I fear the latter.
Let’s hope he doesn’t think of it.
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:35pm
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
I’ll admit when I wrote my comment 4 hours ago, there was a definite element of ‘quelle horreur’ about it, but the more I think on it, the seedlings of an elegant solution to a couple of little problems start to ferment.
Major Proviso: this would require Clive and Frank to actually demonstrate a working relationship that thus far has been seriously lacking.
If FFA were to start a 2nd division, there would be many fans of a few clubs that would be interested in their clubs being involved, but by the same token, having Lowy involved at FFA would probably turn off as many as it would attract.
Imagine If Lowy rang Palmer and said the following:
” you reckon you can do a better job than me at running a football league? tell you what mate, how about you start your own league and I’ll square it with the FFA board that you are given tier II status. You can operate it under FFA’s banner, but you’ll have a largely free reign to do with as you please. You’ll be the commissioner to do as you please in your league. You can choose the size of the league and the clubs that participate as well as the structure of the governance. FFA Sanctioning the league will give you the legitimacy you’ll need to attract players and clubs. There will be no Pro/rel in the first 5 years, but how about we get an independent auditor/arbiter(Like Justice Crawford) to determine where we go from your league’s 6th year – provided you last that long) FFA will run an FFA Cup from your 2nd year of operation. Your clubs will be invited to participate. The final decision will be up to you & them based on the structure we come up with. If you don’t like it, we’ll work together to come up with a better cup format.
you’ll need to work with the State federations as I imagine that’s where most if not all of your clubs and officials will come from. We will ask the States to allow any club that wants to make the jump to be able to do so without sanction. from the state feds, you can source the officials/referees and finally you can try to find a broadcast partner that suits you.
We’ll help out with asking Qantas to extend its FFA sponsorship to include your FA alleviate travel costs. There’ll be an unregulated transfer market between the HAL and your league during 2 x mandated 1 month transfer windows similar to the European model, so your clubs can sell(to the HAL) or sign players(from the states or the HAL) for what my clubs are willing to pay and can afford.
Thoughts? What did I miss?
March 2nd 2012 @ 1:55pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 2nd 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
“Major Proviso: this would require Clive and Frank to actually demonstrate a working relationship that thus far has been seriously lacking.”
That is a major proviso but we’re all responsible adults, right, we can sort out issues, right? *snicker* But that aside…
I don’t think I can see a problem with the concept.
Summertime when the A-League runs or wintertime when the state leagues run would be a question…
Might be able to work with ABC or SBS for some form of tv exposure or, otherwise, I would hope it could outrate Snooker Premier League nonsense on Foxtel.
They might be able to see it as a chance to prove their systems of management and then after five years, as you say, submit to an independent arbitrator like Crawford, vindication or vilification to be handed out as appropriate.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:03pm
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
The ultimate arbitrator would be the banks and the turnstiles. If Palmer’s League is a roaring success, it could petition the arbitrator to be instated as the tier 1 league and the HAL as the tier 2 league. If one or 2 clubs are a roaring success, then they’ll do well in the FFA Cup/the stands and will have ‘proof positive’ that they are worthy of tier 1 status when pro/rel is instituted. If Palmer’s league goes belly up and/or falls flat on its tits because Palmer displays the same skill at running a league as he did one solitary club, then game over to lots of problems, no more bitching about Lowy and his governance structure. If Lowy’s league works and Palmers doesn’t then, any criticisms of Lowy are able to be answered with facts.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:12pm
apaway said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Great concept Kasey, but “what you missed” is that Clive Palmer has proved himself incompetent at running just one club, so how on earth would he go with an entire league?
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:14pm
Kasey said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Try telling him or QSAF (or even Foster, Craig) that. He is the hero riding into town on horseback to a few deluded souls I feel.
March 2nd 2012 @ 2:37pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 2nd 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Who knows, maybe we’re all wrong and he is a league-organizing genius and at the end of five years Crawford will tell us his league should be the first division
DD