GWS Giants 2012 preview
By Cameron Larkin, 15 Mar 2012 Cameron Larkin is a Roar Guru
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Well here we go again. Another AFL season and another new team. This time it’s Greater Western Sydney, the AFL’s biggest roll of the dice.
In 2011 Greater Western Sydney played 18 games in the NEAFL, winning 12. At their best, they put together a five game winning streak, including a high-scoring encounter with the Brisbane Lions seconds team, scoring 21.14(141) to 19.16(130).
Under the watchful eye of Kevin Sheedy, the Giants have 36 players that have yet to play a proper AFL game, including former rugby league player Israel Folau. They have three that have played between one and 50 games, including Phil Davis, Tom Scully and Sam Reid from the Western Bulldogs.
Setanta O’Hailpin, Callan Ward and Rhys Palmer fall into the 51-100 games range, former Port Adelaide ruckman Dean Brogan is the only player between 101 and 200, while Luke Power, James McDonald and Chad Cornes have all played over 200 league matches.
Power, who retired from the Lions last season, announced that he would play for the league’s newest team in addition to taking on an assistant coaching role, akin to McDonald. Their experience, along with that of Brogan and Cornes, will be extremely valuable to the young players.
Sheeds will be joined in the box by 2004 Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams, who takes on the role of senior assistant coach. One may say he will be the ‘real’ coach of the Giants, with the marketing left to Sheedy.
2012 could well be a season of compare, compare, compare – Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney.
One person who strongly believes that Greater Western Sydney won’t deliver much is Adelaide Crows recruiting boss Matt Rendell. Who could forget his press conference? “They will be deplorable. They will finish stone motherless last, they are going to be shocking. Why would you expect them to be better (than Gold Coast) last year?”
Will Rendell be correct in his thoughts or is he simply jealous? The Giants boast 14 top 14 picks from the past five drafts.
For me, I have placed watch tags on Taylor Adams from the Geelong Falcons, Matt Buntine who was awarded the Ben Mitchell medal in 2011 after being voted by his AIS/AFL academy peers as the best performer, the 194cm forward Jeremy Cameron, and Stephen “Cliffo” Clifton, who I am stating right now will be the next Brad Sewell, if not better.
I’m also looking at the 2011 second draft selection Stephen Coniglio, Sam Darley up back, Toby Greene who starred in the TAC Cup last year with Oakleigh, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Anthony Miles, number one pick Jonathon Patton, ball-magnet and goal-kicking midfielder Dylan Shield and another Oakleigh midfielder Dom Tyson.
You can see why I think the Giants will be exciting to watch this season.
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March 15th 2012 @ 8:35am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 15th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
“The Giants boast 14 top 14 picks from the past five drafts.”
Im not sure you’re counting that correctly – we also have zone picks like Curtly Hampton, who would have been first-rounders. Anthony Miles might count in that as well.
But, yes, we picked the eyes out of two drafts, and have more depth than people expect.
That said, what has heartened me is that Tim Mohr and Phil Davis appear to be the core of an AFL-standard defense, Giles, Ward and Coniglio the core of an AFL midfield and Folau, Cameron and Hampton the core of an AFL-standard attack.
Add the intent on the football they’ve shown, and its not a bad place to start.
March 15th 2012 @ 9:14am
Cameron Larkin said | March 15th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Cliffo will be big for you guys. I know him well from Ballarat – good bloke with great skills.
March 15th 2012 @ 10:32am
zach said | March 15th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
It is a pity they a re missing Power, Brogan and O’hailpin through injury for their first game.
March 15th 2012 @ 11:49am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Zach,
That’ll happen to the Geriatricts With Scully – missing half the old guys through injury just comes with the territory.
Cmeron,
Yeah, Im confident Clifton will be a good ordinary player, and you need them in a list full of very talented half-grown kids.
March 15th 2012 @ 11:36am
TomC said | March 15th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
I don’t know what the significance of the Giants beating the Lions reserves is. The Lions reserves have struggled to be competitive for a couple of years now, and lost to the Swans reserves by 150 points.
They might well be exciting in years to come, but this season they’ll be lambs to the slaughter.
The new draftees will have a real baptism of fire and it’ll be interesting to see who comes through that with some solid performances. Tyson and Devon Smith are two that have shown good signs in the pre-season. I’ve also been impressed by Tomlinson’s preparedness to put his body on the line.
But if they win two games they’ll have done well. I reckon the game against GC at Manuka in round 7 is their best chance.
March 15th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Cameron Larkin said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
No real significance @TomC … a very high scoring game was just of interest.
March 15th 2012 @ 12:42pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
TomC,
The significance is they did it without their 2012 draft picks, or their free agents.
They did it just with their zone picks, their 17 year olds and Israel Folau.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:16pm
TomC said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Who cares how they went against a team that only won four of eighteen games last season? Evidently, GWS were a much better team than the Lions’ reserves.
Although, now I’ve bothered to go back and check the records, I think Cameron may have made a mistake. That wasn’t the scoreline in either of the games where the Giants played the Lions. They won 111-74 in their five game streak.
March 15th 2012 @ 3:28pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
TomC,
I care because those wins last year showed how close GWS’s reserves players were to the quality needed to be AFL depth or rotation players.
The answer I took out of the games against Brisbane, Gold Coast and Sydney’s reserves – and against the NT Thunder, who are as good as any team in the SANFL or WAFL – is “the kids are OK”.
March 15th 2012 @ 4:20pm
TomC said | March 15th 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Yeah, the win over the NT Thunder was a much more impressive result.
The point I was making, and to be blunt I thought it was pretty obvious, was that it seemed strange to single out a result against the Brisbane Lions reserves over all the other results.
Bear in mind that the Lions reserves top up players aren’t anywhere near the standard required to be AFL footballers, so it makes any result against them a bit meaningless in that regard.
March 15th 2012 @ 8:32pm
Cameron Larkin said | March 15th 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
TomC … need to check your facts – that was the scoreline from the Giants v Suns game. The Lions v Giants game was correct as I reported.
March 15th 2012 @ 8:36pm
TomC said | March 15th 2012 @ 8:36pm | Report comment
I don’t think so, Cameron.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?a=ROUND&round=15&client=1-8334-0-153926-0&pool=1
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?a=ROUND&round=7&client=1-8334-0-153926-0&pool=1
By sheer coincedence, the Giants also had a 111 to 74 win over the Suns.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?a=ROUND&round=10&client=1-8334-0-153926-0&pool=1
March 15th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Jaceman said | March 15th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Still some way to go in media coverage in Sydney. Sydney Channel Nine showed the GWS singing the club song badly after their GC win and said it was terrible or somesuch. The bit they showed was ordinary but if you saw the whole thing on Fox Footy they got their act together in the last verse or two. Typical Channel NIne.. Expect more of this on Nines other programs. Todays AFL Sydney Media watch
Tele – 4/5 ths of a page on the Giants
SMH – a short story on ice skater steve bradbury making a bad joke about Ben Cousins drug addiction and a small para on the Giants saying theyll be short of experienced players for Round 1 (which in fairness was the thrust of the Tele story).
March 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm
Trust Me said | March 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Shows you between the Daily Telegraph and the Sydney Morning Herald which one is cash for comment.
March 15th 2012 @ 2:28pm
Cman said | March 15th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
Jaceman,
The Herald Sun, The Age and Channel 9 Melbourne had how many stories on the Melbourne Storm or NRL this week???
March 15th 2012 @ 3:51pm
Jaceman said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Aside from weekend and Monday/Friday reports try these for the slow days Tuesday/Wedbnesday/Thursday
Tuesday 13
Age http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/storm-set-a-challenge-20120313-1uygh.html
HS http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/melbourne-storms-cameron-smith-calls-for-nrl-to-introduce-draft/story-e6frfgbx-1226297601424
Wednesday 14
Age http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/bellamy-backs-ryles-to-make-an-impact-20120312-1uwj9.html
HS http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/expect-hiccups-says-storm-halfback-cooper-cronk/story-e6frfgfx-1226298579837
Thursday 15
Age http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/storms-set-to-ravage-city-as-rain-comes-down-20120315-1v5x8.html (not sure if Masters ad nauseam story was in the hardcopy Age? anyone??
HS http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/no-urgency-over-sika-manu-dane-nielsen-talks/story-e6frfgbx-1226299688754
I could look at Channel 9 News Melbourne but I have done enough research for you If the NRL cant control the rights holder then…Caroline Wilson has changed her tune on NRL so I figure either the Age is being marketed or her contract at Channel Nine is dependent…Taking a week sample is a poor option but you did ask. My point was the telegraph has gone overboard on AFL and the SMH has gone quiet. As “trust me” says cash for comment perhaps…
March 15th 2012 @ 5:35pm
Norm said | March 15th 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
The publicity given the Storm in all media in Melbourne is far more than is deserved by their attendances. In the Herald-Sun they get as much as any of the AFL clubs. Attendance last week was 15k. Better than average, but nowhere near the AFL average
March 15th 2012 @ 3:58pm
Strummer Jones said | March 15th 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
GWiS membership now 7000
…and from one of the papers comes the likely line-up R1 (before the Brogan et al injuries of course)
B Tomas Bugg 18 (0) Tim Mohr 23 (0, Chad Cornes 32 (239)
HB Luke Power 32 (282) Phil Davis 21 (18) Adam Kennedy 19 (0)
C Rhys Palmer 22 (53) Callan Ward 21 (60) Adam Treloar 18 (0)
HF Curtly Hampton 18 (0, Jeremy Cameron 18 (0) Nathan Wilson, 19 (0)
F Setanta O’Ailpin 28 (80) Israel Folau 22 (0) Devon Smith 18 (0)
R Dean Brogan 33 (174) James McDonald 35 (251) Tom Scully 20 (31)
INT Jonathan Giles24 (0), Dylan Shiel 18 (0), Stephen Coniglio18 (0), Steve Clifton 24(0)
March 15th 2012 @ 4:29pm
The Cattery said | March 15th 2012 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
13 debutants, becomes 16 debutants with the 3 injuries – that hurts.
March 15th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 15th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
A team list that includes several injured and unfit players isnt particularily useful.
Lets see how the Richmond game goes, and then have a think.
March 15th 2012 @ 6:12pm
Jason Cave said | March 15th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
The Sydney Swans would be wise not to take GWS lightly. Ask any of the North Melbourne players who were on the receiving end of a suprise Brisbane Bears win in 1987; or the Hawthorn players who were on the wrong end of an 86 point smashing by the Adelaide Crows in Round 1, 1991, at Football Park (now AAMI Stadium).
March 16th 2012 @ 1:56pm
TomC said | March 16th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
…or the Blues players who were stunned by a rampant Suns team in 2011…oh wait…
March 16th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Jaceman said | March 16th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
I think the Crows had a lot of seasoned older players who had sidestepped the draft previously and the Hawks had partied hard after winning the pre-season Cup. On better news , the AFL made the back page of the Sydney Morning Herald – well it was bad news of course but..
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-clubs-unwritten-rule-on-aborigines-20120315-1v8cz.html
Of course there was small paragraph about the Swans 14 pages into the sports section while the other codes received 8-10 pages in total
March 16th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Jaceman said | March 16th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Of course all newspapers will be forgiven when I buy my weekend Daily Telegraph which has Giants/Swans fandanas to give away on consecutive days. No wonder the Fairfax press is miffed…
March 16th 2012 @ 1:37pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 16th 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
Im going to be blunt here. If thats true, a coach who can get the best out of Aboriginal players *cough Sheeds cough* is going to have a heck of an advantage, as they will pick up first-round talent for much less.
Rhys Cooyou and Curtly Hampton are big parts of the future of my Giants.
March 16th 2012 @ 1:57pm
TomC said | March 16th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Ian, I see Cooyou didn’t play in the NAB Cup after the round robin. Is he injured? He looked very much at home out there, to me.
March 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm
The Cattery said | March 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
I think he’s on the rookie list, might be that Sheeds only played the rookie listed players in the shorter games (where you can play 34 players for the night), and then started nailing down the senior team thereafter.
March 16th 2012 @ 3:44pm
Jaceman said | March 16th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
The timing of this story is interesting – just before Sheeds debuts the AFL in the national capital- does anyone know if this is a recent story or one being held in reserve???
March 16th 2012 @ 4:33pm
The Cattery said | March 16th 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
Sounds like a rogue recruitment officer who will be lucky to keep his job – according to Demetriou, the CEO of the club concerned has denied the story (naturally enough).
March 16th 2012 @ 2:06pm
The Cattery said | March 16th 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
When are the fandanas available?
March 16th 2012 @ 3:00pm
Jaceman said | March 16th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Saturday Daily Telegraph for a Giants one and Sunday Telegraph for a Swans one…
March 16th 2012 @ 1:06pm
Adrian said | March 16th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
I think the Crows were also playing on an incredible emotional high, every player played out of their skins, probably would have beaten anyone that night.
March 16th 2012 @ 11:41pm
Cameron Larkin said | March 16th 2012 @ 11:41pm | Report comment
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