Is the NRL-AFL hybrid game just a beautiful dream?
By Damo, 17 Mar 2012 Damo is a Roar Guru
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Watching last year’s Ireland versus Australia International Rules match on the Gold Coast I, like so many others, couldn’t help but wonder if this would be the last time we would see the mutant round-ball spectacle played.
I personally enjoy the game, and have an appreciation for Gaelic football. I watch it every year for the spectacle.
But even I am over it. And I know I’m not alone.
The hybrid game’s demise has been covered ad nauseum. Reasons include its lack of relevance, the participation of under-strength Australian teams and a tendency for matches to deteriorate into brawls.
For mine, the lack of relevance is the true killer.
It’s obvious why we play Ireland every year. It’s a celebration of our respective unique indigenous sporting codes, affirming our strong relationships and cross-cultural relations nurtured through cross-code players such as Tadhg Kennelly, Marty Clarke and Dublin product Jim Stynes.
Furthermore, it’s a rare opportunity for players of both codes to represent their country at an international level.
But even these reasons are starting to wear thin. Celebrating indigenous codes is all well and good, but the resulting game doesn’t truly represent either, making the event redundant.
Besides, the cross-code travel is strictly one way. And the Gaelic Athletic Association know it.
This leaves us with our boys playing at a national level. But if that was really so important to the AFL, why not give the AIS team leave to play in the International Cup (played in Melbourne every year) and televise the final on free-to-air TV?
There, Australia would take on the world at our own game.
Sure, stars and top-flight players can’t play. But that rule would appear to be in effect in the Australia versus Ireland games anyway.
If we truly want to play a relevant hybrid code-celebrating exhibition game, we shouldn’t play it against the GAA. We should play it against the NRL.
Can you imagine the code-war fanatics in the lead up to this clash?
Can you imagine the cross-code banter? The David Gallop and Andrew Demetriou press conferences?
Imagine the posturing of code fanatics on either side in the lead-up, and the coverage. One can only imagine the TV ratings!
The game would reach right into the heart of both codes and dominate the sporting landscape. Even if the NRL and AFL split the costs and profits, the takings would be gigantic.
But how would such a game work?
A hybrid League-Aussie Rules game would be a tricky beast to create and referee, the two games being so fundamentally different.
So for now, we can take the biggest elements of each game, and see how they fit.
For league, passing backwards is all important, so that stays. Aussie Rules is far more complex, but one aspect – that is probably the most crucial and at the core of the modern game – is kicking long and marking.
Two teams, arranged in league-style lines, attempt to move the ball across a rectangle field. They can only pass backwards by hand, but can move the ball by foot forwards.
I know, I just described both codes of rugby, but the next element here is crucial.
Three players from each side are allowed to be offside at any time. These players are then able to receive the ball from a kick. Should the ball travel 10 metres untouched, a mark and resulting free kick/pass is awarded.
Scoring would work similarly to league, but with all scores being multiples of three. A try is worth six and a field goal worth three. A marked ball within the try scoring area, though, is worth nine.
This would be akin to the AFL mark inside 50, minus the necessary resulting goal.
Imagine a game something like gridiron, with continuous play and kicking rather than passing, and you have a better picture.
It might not be pretty on paper now, but this game – in the modern Australian sporting landscape – would have far more relevance to the average punter than the international game, which Australia dominates.
This is true of both codes, with the NRL (and I include the Kiwis under this banner) dominating international competitions.
Imagine names like Thaiday, Smith and Cronk charging through the AFL lines, using superior power to punch vast holes in the line.
Imagine Franklin, Riewoldt and Brown streaming ahead offside to take overhead running marks within the scoring zone, unmatched in speed and overhead aerial ability.
And imagine code-converts Folau and Hunt, lining up for the AFL. It would truly be a most mouth-watering piece of entertainment.
Yes, this game might purely be a fantasy. But what a fantasy it is…
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March 17th 2012 @ 8:30am
The Cattery said | March 17th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
You would also have to add the rule that a spoil on an opposiiton player attempting a mark could not be deemed a knock on.
March 17th 2012 @ 8:35am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 17th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Every time I saw Paul Kelly take the ball up on the SCG, sidestep a defender to break the defensive line and run into space with support outside him, I saw the hybrid game.
Every time I see the big men fly, trying to out-mark the spoiling defenders and take the ball, I see the hybrid game.
Every time I see an AFL player wrap the ball carrier up properly, and stop fast hands creating an offload to support, I see the hybrid game.
March 17th 2012 @ 8:41am
Cman said | March 17th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Here is a great idea? Why don’t we have a hybrid game between ALF and Golf we can play on golf courses all over the world and sell the TV rights for millions!
March 17th 2012 @ 8:57am
Titus said | March 17th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
That is a brilliant idea!
You could build massive stands alongside the fairways and around the green, paid for by the AFL of course, and the forwards could stand on the green, midfielders on the fairways, a mark on the green is a goal/hole.
March 17th 2012 @ 11:07am
TJ said | March 17th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
That’s awesome! What role would the caddies play? And would the crowd have to stay quiet?
March 17th 2012 @ 8:45am
brendan said | March 17th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
They did play a game at the Sydney Showgrounds in the thirties called universal football which was amixture of both codes.Apparently it was played on an oval field ,you had to handball backwards and a kick under the crossbar was worth one point and over the crossbar two points.It lasted one game and wasn’t well received.It is a real pity that the two biggest cities in the country arent unified in terms of winter sport as the rivalry would leave cricket in the shade.I know Afl and Nrl have teams in both cities but there aren’t enough Melbourne born Nrl players or Sydney born Afl players to compare.
March 17th 2012 @ 4:12pm
p.Tah said | March 17th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
We use to make up games like that in the playground at primary school
March 17th 2012 @ 9:11am
chris said | March 17th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
If a united code i.e. AFL and NRL had happened then we wouldn’t see the child like pointless media war between the 2 codes.
I sort of seen the hybrid code in the NRL with Billy Slaters competing for the ball with aerial marks and seeing Nathan Merritt drop goal at the SCG a couple of years ago.
March 17th 2012 @ 9:43am
Maximus said | March 17th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Bizarre and you said the International Rules series rules were bizarre. Its Rugby league with about 5 AFL players added in for specialist spots. As Gallop said about the hybrid rugby game devised by rugby people, why would Coke give Pepsi a free kick but in some peoples eyes Gallop is the Pepsi here…
March 17th 2012 @ 10:22am
gurudoright said | March 17th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
The difference between AFL and the Rugby codes is that the Rugby Codes (Union and League) don’t need nor want a hybrid game. Why would they, both have got a World Cup without altering their rules to be able to compete internationally. I can understand AFL’s need to do anything to leave behind it’s lack of international imagine but a hybrid game with either Rugby code is a laugh.
March 17th 2012 @ 11:03am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 17th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Gurudoright,
When rugby union or rugby league can get a dozen regular season club crowds over 70 000, then they can feel smug.
March 17th 2012 @ 2:17pm
White Noise said | March 17th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
When the AFL can play even 1 or 2 half decent internationals then they can feel smug.
March 17th 2012 @ 3:27pm
The Cattery said | March 17th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
I would be happy just to see China or India put 18 out on the paddock that could be competitive against Nauru.
March 18th 2012 @ 9:31am
Maximus said | March 18th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
The English or Great britain RL whichever it is this year has played 3 internationals in the worlds biggest RL city in 20 years so I doubt some RL people can be smug about the status of the international game…
March 17th 2012 @ 5:51pm
Gurudoright said | March 17th 2012 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
When AFL can be seen as a serious sport outside of 4 states of Australia, then the AFL can feel smug. I laugh at the dreams of the AFL being a world-wide sport
March 17th 2012 @ 11:37am
ChrisH said | March 17th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
This is The Roar on acid
March 17th 2012 @ 12:00pm
aaron said | March 17th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
If Union and League ever merged then AFL would be relegated to the scrapheap.
32 teams across Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific.
16 current NRL teams
10 current Aus & Nz Super Rugby teams
6 new teams – Perth Reds, Adelaide, Central Coast Bears, Sunshine Coast, Central Qld, PNG
22 rounds – plus finals
World Club Challenge: Best teams from Southern Hemisphere vs Best teams from Northern Hemisphere, every 4 years
Massive club rivalries in NZ, QLD, NSW, Perth, Melbourne.
Massive Origin rivalries – NSW v QLD, South Island v North Island
11 Massive Internationals –
Tri Nations Remains – 4 games per team plus final
A pool structured Pacific Cup every year – the tri nations matches but 2 additional games rotating against PNG, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Argentina, Japan, USA – plus a final
End of season 3 game tour against Northern hemisphere teams
March 17th 2012 @ 12:08pm
me, I like football said | March 17th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Why? the AFL crowds and Revenue is more than NRL + ARU + and the NZ rugby body combined
March 17th 2012 @ 3:30pm
The Cattery said | March 17th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
In fact total AFL memberships are double that of League/Union/Soccer combined, not that that is overly important, we all have our special place on the Australian sporting landscape.
March 17th 2012 @ 4:10pm
max said | March 17th 2012 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
And yet more people watch the NRL on tv.
March 17th 2012 @ 4:45pm
slickwilly said | March 17th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
how reliable is the statistical modelling used for tv-ratings – the sample size is …. what…. 3000 viewers????? –
whats the spread of viewers across the country who are involved in this reporting process????
March 17th 2012 @ 5:26pm
The Cattery said | March 17th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
And may that always be the case, each drawing strength from their comparative advantages, all prospering in unison.
March 17th 2012 @ 9:33pm
JamesP said | March 17th 2012 @ 9:33pm | Report comment
We’ve been through this before. More people watch NRL because there is more NRL product. More rounds, Origin and internationals. Its a cumalitive figure – even Uncle Roy admits this. game by game, round by round averages the AFL wins comfortably.
This year will prove interesting: AFL 23 rounds by 9 games a round = 207 games
NRL = 26 rounds by 8 games = 208 games
NRL still has rep football – AFL has NAB Cup – hardly like for like, but that how it is.
March 18th 2012 @ 9:34am
Maximus said | March 18th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Of course take out SOO and its all equal. I’m not sure how long Fox will subsidise the under 20 comp on Pay because it hardly draws subscribers…It will drop it when the contract ends.or they will take less money at the rights table…
March 18th 2012 @ 10:47am
Emric said | March 18th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Are you sure about that?
The AFL has only its “flag” competition where Union and League have tiers above the club competition
March 18th 2012 @ 12:51pm
The Cattery said | March 18th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
There is just the one prize, the one and only – the holy grail of Australian sport.
March 18th 2012 @ 2:08pm
Emric said | March 18th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
Winning the Soccer world cup – I know but hey its the world game and how can you compete with that?
March 19th 2012 @ 12:25pm
Jaceman said | March 19th 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
The soccer World cup is the big one allright but unfortunately Australia are unlikely to win the soccer world cup any time soon
March 17th 2012 @ 12:56pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 17th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Alas, the only contest more bitter than NRL-AFL on the roar is the Union/League one!
March 18th 2012 @ 9:32am
Maximus said | March 18th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
You are dreaming see the pepsi/Coke analogy above…
March 18th 2012 @ 9:43am
Titus said | March 18th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Perth and Melbourne will never(in our lifetimes) have “massive” Rugby League rivalries.
Just as AFL will never have “massive” rivalries in Sydney and Brisbane.
The only massive inter-city club rivalries will be Rugby League in the Eastern states, AFL in the Southern states and Football in most of Australia/NZ
March 17th 2012 @ 12:05pm
me, I like football said | March 17th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
I don’t see the point. Sure I would watch it for novelty factor, but wouldn;t care who won like internatinal rules.