A very ordinary third round of NRL
By MG Burbank, 21 Mar 2012 MG Burbank is a Roar Guru
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It seems like only yesterday that I was delivering spittle-filled testimonials to the speed, skill and intensity of the average game in the NRL.
Two rounds of pulsating, dramatic rugby league had me settled into the couch by Thursday morning, delivery menus surrounding my inert mass, ready to consume the thrills of round three
As with everything in life, an upward trajectory cannot continue forever. Eventually bodies feel the effects of gravity and crash to earth. The recent weekend’s round of matches were, to put it kindly, underwhelming.
The feel of round three was akin to bad heavyweight boxing bouts (pretty much any contest after 1980), where Bums of the Month are made to look invincible thanks to the ineptitude of their opponents.
In some cases, those beaten opponents were superior competitors expected to win, adding to our false impression of the victor as a contender (who can forget James ‘Buster’ Douglas beating an uninterested Mike Tyson before quickly sinking back into mediocrity).
It all started on Friday night when a professional St George outfit put to the sword a Tigers team that clearly had not come to play.
On certain occasions Tim Sheens’ men simply aren’t interested in working hard enough against a disciplined opposition to remain competitive, the reason why I was always deeply skeptical of their ‘premiership favourite’ tag. Are the Saints that good? No. They were on the rebound after a bad loss and played up to their eventual fifth or sixth ranking.
On Saturday the Storm continued to show class against inferior opposition. No meaningful questions have been asked yet of this team, although they are a clearly an elite team and will cruise to a top-four finish.
The Titans were pathetic, and maybe John Cartwright can no longer motivate this club as he once did. The main attraction of sport is the lure of the uncertain ending. Clearly the people of the Gold Coast didn’t feel much uncertainty about this one. Yawn.
North Queensland then proceeded to take apart a team without a coach. No one is listening to Steve Kearney, and the Cowboys looked like the 1982 Invincibles as a result. Some of the Parramatta players’ attempts at defence were unspeakable.
This game didn’t prove a thing, except that the Cowboys can score points against feeble or complacent opposition.
I’m glad I’m not a Warriors fan. While this game was one of the few entertaining games of the round, I’m thinking it might be time for Warriors players to be tasered at halftime for every unforced error committed.
This team cannot possibly contend at its current error rate. It is an open question as to whether or not they can find the necessary discipline to beat the top teams.
Canterbury clearly have talent, but once again they have been made to look a little better than they may be.
Roosters-Raiders? Channel Nine should have televised the Toyota Cup in prime time instead, where the standard of play and determination on show would have undoubtedly been superior. Despite now winning two of three, very few Roosters fans are interested, judging by their disgraceful, shameful crowds.
They have some talented players but again, are one of many teams who cannot consistently deliver.
Then we had the best of the Sunday games, Panthers-Rabbits, with Souths joining North Queensland in the we-looked-great-against-reserve-grade-opposition club. Penrith are not yet a complete first grade NRL team.
Despite the referees allowing play-the-balls to proceed at a glacial pace, Penrith offered little resistance, once again appearing uninterested. It appears that the team able to muster a respectable level of desire for more than one week in a row will finish in the top half of the competition – a low bar, indeed.
And now, with the coup de grace, we had the Perth – sorry, Cronulla – Sharks v Manly game. I was stunned to wake up to articles by seasoned reporters gushing over the ‘arrival’ of Cronulla in the wake of their victory on Monday night. Really? Manly could not have cared less about this one.
The players, while never explicitly stating the fact, know that they will win enough games to finish in a position to once again contend for the title. A rain-soaked affair against a mediocre opponent clearly didn’t tickle their fancies.
Cronulla have some interesting pieces (this chap Bukuya looks the goods) but I will be dumbfounded if they qualify for the eight. They win the Buster Douglas Overhyped Victory Award for this week.
May round four bring a renewed sense of interest and vigour on the part of the gladiators currently roaming the NRL.
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March 21st 2012 @ 3:24am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:24am | Report comment
Correction: I said that Channel Nine should have shown the Toyota Cup game of Roosters-Raiders. Foxtel covered that game.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:54am
Canuckben said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
Dear MG Burbank, I have calmed down sinece I posted a reply to your last article and would like to apologise for the way I ranted. Your article pushed a tender button and I reacted. A good friend of mine who is a mediator said to me after I recounted our “interaction” that my reaction says more about me than it does you. Not sure exactly what he meant but keep up the great wrtiting. I continue to follow my beloved game from afar vicariously through you.
GO THE SHARKIES
March 21st 2012 @ 4:03am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:03am | Report comment
I understand, Canuck- you love your Sharks, and I don’t blame you- Ettingshausen and Gavin Miller were good-looking men, the type to whom I know you’re partial.
As for our interaction, I also must take my share of the responsibility. Someone once told me that one’s intent does not always match the impact of that intent. When I called you an ‘imbecile’, the intent was to awaken your awareness of your own limitations in order for you to grow and become a more well-rounded, knowledgable individual. Clearly that was not the impact and for that I apologize.
March 21st 2012 @ 6:58pm
Jeff McGinn said | March 21st 2012 @ 6:58pm | Report comment
I cannot believe that someone intelligent enough to write a terrible account of the weekends game , as this one was, , would stoop so low as the character assassination of a fellow ‘roarer’ with the sole intent to crucify his personality, merely because he disagreed with your ‘reasonably wayward assessment’ of the weekend.
Your response was that of an overeducated spoilt moron! ooops I guess that I may be next.. go for it!.
March 22nd 2012 @ 4:39am
MG Burbank said | March 22nd 2012 @ 4:39am | Report comment
I will go for it, Jeff. And I don’t need your permission.
I’m not sure who said my assessment was ‘reasonably wayward’. But I can tell you that part of what makes the comments section fun is the argument and banter. I’m thinking you must be having a laugh when you said my intent was to ‘crucify his personality’, whoever this fellow roarer may be. Can I really do that, by leaving a couple of harshly worded comments? Wow. I didn’t realize I had that power. Thank you for making me aware of it- I can now abuse it to an even greater degree in the future.
March 22nd 2012 @ 11:12am
Jeff McGinn said | March 22nd 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
LOL
March 22nd 2012 @ 2:31pm
Jeff McGinn said | March 22nd 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
It’s called “Cyber Bullying”…
March 25th 2012 @ 11:46am
MG Burbank said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
And loving it.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:19am
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:19am | Report comment
So MG, you are a Manly fan. Every victory over Manly by anybody matters and is worthy of celebration I’m afraid.
PS You forgot to mention the broncos game, but that would be demanding attention to detail.
March 21st 2012 @ 7:57am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Wrong on every count, unfortunately. I’m not a Manly fan and over an entire season, one can find dozens of games where a side going nowhere beats an elite team; in the final analysis, it means nothing. Talk to me at the end of the season- if the Sharks are a contender and Manly are not, I’ll concede your point.
I didn’t realize I had to mention all 8 games- clearly for someone as literal as you, 7 out of 8 was insufficient. Okay, let’s talk about that game: not bad, one team clearly superior across the 80 minutes. Satisfied?
March 21st 2012 @ 1:37pm
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
That wasn’t so difficult was it?
March 21st 2012 @ 8:33am
Sammy Grazer said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Welcome to the NBA-like mide season slump. This will continue until until the last of the Origin games. Sure there will be great games in between, but only from those top 10 teams.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:38am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Yep, this is the downside of having a 26-round regular season. Too many rounds for sure with 50% of teams qualifying for the playoffs- like the NBA indeed.
March 21st 2012 @ 8:50am
Will Sinclair said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
I settled down on the couch on Sunday afternoon to watch the Roosters v Raiders… and I literally fell asleep.
It was absolutely dreadful. Just… dreadful.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:39am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
In front of 37 people, no less. Not a good showcase for the game.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm
Will Sinclair said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Crowds looked down across the board actually – at lease on telly.
The Cowboys v Parra was virtually deserted, and there weren’t many at Caltex Field on Monday night either.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:30pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Yeah, rain has affected many of the games but generally I’ve been a little disappointed so far with attendances.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:42pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
The Crowd Watch thread on LU had some pretty ugly looking figures, but the weather wasn’t good and the GFC is still affecting things, neither of which are the league’s fault, though I agree that scheduling more NQ home games at the start of the season instead of the end is crazy.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:13pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
Um… can you please explain: what are LU and GFC? Excuse my ignorance.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:33pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Uh, League Unlimited forum and the Global Financial Crisis.
March 21st 2012 @ 9:09am
oldfart said | March 21st 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Your observations strike at the heart of all sport at high levels. Average the teams across skill, fitness, training, coaching, support, experience, youth, …. and the team-differences are insufficient to explain their end-of-year standings. The BIG difference lies in psychology. Although Manly wasn’t there for the first 70 minutes, the Wellington Sharks played at a level that if continued would see them high up the ladder. In no sport should the home field advantage be of any value, yet it’s huge even in basketball where all fields are identical. NRL players are physically at their peak but psychologically weak (Nathan Hindmarsh being the psychological outlier just as Billy Slater is the physical outlier.) The first team to crack that weakness will go straight to the top without passing GO.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:43am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Brilliantly put. As in any sport, the bulk of the players do enough to earn a living and experience some measure of success and satisfaction, while a precious few transcend average commitment levels and surge to the top. Wellington did play well and we know to a degree just short of certainty that they won’t reproduce that form often enough to contend. Your observation about the psychological/mental/psychic weakness of most players is something that’s given inadequate attention by clubs, players and the media in general.
March 21st 2012 @ 9:46am
Renegade said | March 21st 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
I have to agree that the round didn’t showcase the best football….the roosters-raiders game was absolutely terrible.
That being said the sharks-manly game was above par in my opinion.
Considering the torrential rain, both teams did well with the football, completing sets and making few mistakes in a high intensity game of rugby league.
The sharks first half effort would have put away a lot of teams…..to say manly didn’t care is as ill-informed as you can get. They were simply outplayed, however the sharks do need to do it more consistently….they may not have come away with the 2 points each time but they have been the better side in all 3 of their matches so far.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:45am
B.A Sports said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
I agree with Renegade
Firstly that Roosters v Raiders game was awful, both the winning and losing sides had more errors than points – thats bad!
The Sharks deserve alot of credit for their win. Part of being a good team is turning up every single week. Part of being a good team is adapting to the conditions. Part of being a good team is putting in for 80 minutes. The Sharks did that and Manly didn’t, so yes while Manly have a superior roster, on the night they were out played by a team with greater determination. And if the Sharks play with that sort of commitment (which they also showed in Rd 1 in trying conditions of a different nature and in a hostile environment) then you can prepare to be dumbfounded because they will have a good chance of making the eight.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:14am
turbodewd said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
the Manly v Sharks game only drew 8500 – was it wet that night? Thats a terrible crowd.
The NRL should expend more effort to ensuring crowds are 15,000+
This is why I think the NRL season is too long, fans simply dont want to attend 24 rounds spread over 26 weeks!
Give us a high quality 20 round comp and see average crowds jump!
March 21st 2012 @ 11:31am
Matt S said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
It was pouring rain unfortunately.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:36am
B.A Sports said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
To be fair the weather was just stupid crazy bad on Monday night in the Shire.
But I agree with you on some attention being needed to drawing bigger crowds at games and creating more atmposhere. A shorter season with more reliance on games and a a better game day entertainment package to attract more people to the “event” are needed.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:37am
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
It was very wet actually. Pouring when the match started. I was actually surprised that it got as many people as it did. A team with a small fan base playing on a wet monday night was always going to struggle with the crowd. There could, and should, definately be more done to get crowd figures up though.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:50am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Agreed. With new money coming in, the League must expand their marketing budget. Rugby League should be the most heavily marketed sport in strongholds like NSW and QLD by a country mile. Anything less is unacceptable.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:02pm
Will Sinclair said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Catch 22 though, isn’t it MG?
If the TV networks pay more cash for games, the amount/quality of TV coverage (and marketing of that coverage) will encourage people to stay home and watch…
I’ve got Fox Sports HD, and I can tell you it is pretty awesome.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:59pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
That is the problem, especially the live against the gate. The way around is probably memberships. Push memberships for the true fans, so that TV becomes how you attract fans, match day experience hooks them and memberships seal the deal. More crowds->Better Match Experience->Better Membership Sales. The three fundamental pillars of sporting finance are gate/membership, merchandise and tv deals. Merchandise will take care of itself without affecting or being affected by the other pillars, but gate takings and tv deals are to a certain (but manageable!) extent parasitic to each other. In the end though, a full stadium’s worth of spectators does not affect a TV viewership too dearly and provides far more per capita value so you should always be aiming to get bums off couches and into grandstands.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Matt F, that’s two teams with a small fan base I’d say. The conditions were pretty dreadful but i was surprised at the number there. The streets were pretty parked out, more like with a 15,000 crowd, but obviously everyone drove given the conditions on the evening.
Also the handling was pretty impressive in the conditions, and given the intensity of the tackling, the Sharks for the whole game and Manly in the second half. The last couple of minutes were suddenly a fumbleathon though.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:23pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Good point. Neither team have massive fan bases and Manly fans are notorious for not travelling in the best conditions, let alone all the way to Cronulla on a wet Monday night. The handling was very good considering the conditions.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:47pm
Jaceman said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Its obviously a problem when you start the comp during the northern wet season (especailly in a La Nina year).
March 21st 2012 @ 3:15pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
Yes, this is another difficult one- you could schedule the Cowboys away from home for the first couple of months but they’d probably complain that’s a disadvantage and puts them at risk of a bad start. In an ideal world there’d be a domed stadium up there, combating both the heat and the rain.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:34pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Could always just sell it to them through the financial benefits of higher gate takings and the opportunity to finish the year strongly with momentum from home wins.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:49am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Absolutely spot on, Turbo. Too much football reduces the meaning of individual matches, also diluting their appeal. 20 rounds is a perfect number.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:18pm
Crosscoder said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
turbodewd.
It was indeed a wet night from before the opening whistle to the end.Half the crowd had no cover.That being said the handling overall was as good as you would get on a dry day.The Sharks in the first half were apart for a couple of blunders were faultless.It was an enjoyable closely fought game.
Give spectators cover for at least 10,000 and you will get the numbers on a wet night.
On a wet monday night and Manly bringing small numbers ,a crowd of 8,500 was more than many expected.Some were talking about 5-6,000.more so as Cronulla dropped so much ball the previous week.
The comparisons can be drawn viz a viz.When the sharks played the Dragons on a wet monday night at Toyota about 12,000 plus rolled up.Played on a sunday afternoon or night minimum of 19,000 would turn up.
It would not matter how competitive the comp was with 18 rds,20 rds,monday night is not family friendly,and that is why the pay TV gets high ratings and why the NRL pays each club $40,000 to stage it then.
if anyone believes that reducing the number of teams and rounds will automatically result in close games,they are dreaming.
The crowds at times have indeed been disappointing,but the weather on more than a few occasions played its part.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:18pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
Reduced teams do not guarantee close games but it sure as hell guarantees a higher standard of player across the board. We saw how poor alot of the games were 95 through 98 when there were 20 teams. I’ve always been of the belief that the game should be truly national with no more than 16 teams which would mean no more than 6 Sydney teams, guaranteeing a greater spread of talent across the expansion teams. As it is, Sydney players never have to leave their home town- there’s always a local club ready to pick them up. More teams, lower standard. Less teams, higher. SImple as that.
March 21st 2012 @ 5:32pm
Crosscoder said | March 21st 2012 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
TBH The standard in the main ,maybe due to the full time approach of the players and their fitness,is of a higher standard when there were in fact fewer teams prior SL.
I disagree ,there are now more players with which to choose.The source from NZ for starters was barely there in numbers.Having the Warriors and the u20 comp ,has given more players opportunities.More people play the game.
Bakuya came from the u20s at Cronulla and there are more around waiting for the opportunity.Reduce the number of teams,you reduce the number of players at grassroots as they see limited opportunities.There are some terrifc youngsters coming through the shark’s u20.
Go through every NRL teams’ lists and see the youngsters that have come through.Look no further than Jason Taumalolo of th Cowboys (the kid is about 18) and from what I have seen so far,makes SBW at the same age look average.
If you reduce the number of teams,there is no guarantee the standard will increase,yes it may well do so.When St george won 11 on the trot,they were so far ahead of the others,it was a lay down when they played.There were less teams then.
If other codes were not competing for the same youngsters ,lesser teams may be a possibility.When other codes are expanding at a great rate of knots,as the saying goes”don’t give the bs an even break”.
if you have 6 Sydney teams,it won’ t be long that the AFL has 4.Look at the Tigers premiership favourites with a host of top line players,where are they positioned ATM?Look at Newcastle?.Look at the Titans?Hardly filled with Z graders.
Sorry you can be filled with talent,its how the team gels,the coach’s tactics,the atmosphere within the club.The Sharks with minimal funding ,a raw coach,served it up to the premiers and the Tigers and broke the Knight’s line on 7 occasions.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:48am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
Tell me something I don’t know. I never said Manly WEREN’T outplayed. Of course they were. I’m simply stating that their level of play indicated a lack of desire, which makes sense considering it’s a 26 round season and Manly players would be confident of winning enough games to make the top 4. Cronulla do deserve credit- they played well without being outstanding against mediocre opposition. We will see if they can keep up that level of commitment – BA, I’ll be looking for you on this site to check back in after they’ve gone back to being an average team.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:22pm
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
Fact is MG that given a level playing field with the refs Cronulla and Manly would now be on the same number of wins. Sharks kicked them in the preseason, beat them the other night and also demolished their reserves 78-10. Sure they have a great first grade roster and if Toovey can coach a lick they should be premiership favourites. But there is a long way to go yet for both clubs.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:19pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
Longer for Cronulla- Manly are proven winners. Are you seriously bringing up Toyota Cup to support your contention that the two teams are close in quality? That is laughable. A great win for the kids but that has nothing to do with my point, which is that Manly are a vastly superior team, with 2 premierships under their belt. Cronulla came THIRTEENTH last year and, whatever you might say about the referees, are 1 from 3.
March 21st 2012 @ 7:31pm
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
Can you actually read MG? Does anything I said disagree with what you just said?
The fact is that you were making excuses for Manly who apparently found it difficult to focus against the Sharks because they knew they were just so fantastic and superior to Sharks in every department. Well the Sharks had their own psychological difficulties to work through MG. They came off a 9 game losing streak, 5 games of which they should have won except for freak bounces, crazy reffing decisions and mental errors. But of course let’s have all have symparthy for Manly and their mental difficulties. It must be so hard for them. The fact is that the Sharks won both the phusical and mental battle. I think yo should remember that for about 15 years before Hasler arrived manly didn;t perform to their talent level. Toovey faces some challenges.
As far as the kids go I take it very seriously because the Sharks have to make their players, they can’t just go out and buy them. There are 4 or 5 strong Australian Schoolboys in that side who are the future of the club, including ex junior K’s captain Chad Townsend who has had 6 months of first grade and is still six months younger than Cherry Evans was when he made his first grade debut.
March 22nd 2012 @ 4:46am
MG Burbank said | March 22nd 2012 @ 4:46am | Report comment
Yes, clearly you are a biased fan of Cronulla and, therefore, unable to offer an educated opinion.
You mustn’t have read my article. Nowhere did I make excuses for them- I was actually CRITICAL of the fact that they showed up disinterested in the game and dismissive of their opponents, until it was too late. Yes, the Sharks DID win the physical/mental battle. That doesn’t mean that Manly played anywhere near their potential- anyone who isn’t biased like you and knows something about the game would admit that.
Your contention that Manly didn’t play up to their talent level in years gone by might be true but the fact is that those teams WEREN’T NEARLY AS GOOD, so the issue is irrelevant.
I’m glad you take the ‘kids’ seriously- I don’t know what that has to do with this article. And you’re about 20 years out of date- look at the Eagles’ lineup- how many established stars were bought?
Lastly, I’m not a Manly fan but, unlike you, I’m able to watch the game and enjoy it without needing to put blinkers on and dumb myself down for my favorite club. Stop sacrificing intelligence for ‘loyalty’, JVGO. And make sure to follow the Sharks when they move to Perth.
March 22nd 2012 @ 9:48am
JVGO said | March 22nd 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
MG, your argument doesn’t make sense and isn’t really very educated. The fact that Manly came back wasn’t due to a change in attitude but to the fact that Pomeroy went off injured and was replaced in the centres by Wade Graham and Manly suddenly exploited his defensive inexperience on the left side. Your idea that manly suddenly got motivated in the final ten minutes, when it was already too late seems a little naive to me. The fact is Cronulla had them well covered till Poms injury. Why would manly suddenly get motivated when it was already too late to realistically win the game. I’d suggest you look at the tactical reality not some mysterious explanatiion in your own head. It owuld make far more sense that Manly were equally motivated the whole time but were simply given no opportunities until Pom’s injury. The only time they actually had a chance to win the game was in the final minute (when apparently they were motivated) and they knocked on twice, despite Gal’s gifting them the second opportunity.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:44am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Not a chance in hell that Manly played to their potential. Not a chance. You are either a Shark fan or were watching a different game of footy. Manly have won 2 premierships in 4 years, winning most of their regular season games- you can’t be saying that you witnessed that team on Monday night.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:14pm
Renegade said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
It just showcases how even the competition is….they didn’t play to their potential because they weren’t allowed to. As i said, in the first half the sharks completely dominated in all facets of rugby league.
It’s hard to get a roll on, when the other team won’t give you an inch.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:32pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Again, I don’t know what game you were watching. You say they “weren’t allowed” to play to their potential. That doesn’t begin to account for atypical errors on Manly’s part, missed tackles and a general lethargy in attack. Renegade, just own up to the fact that you’re a passionate and biased Cronulla supporter. I won’t judge.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:00pm
JVGO said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
MG, Manly were completely dominated until Pomeroy went off with a dislocated finger and Graham was moved to the centres where Manly quickly exploited his defensive weakness and inexperience to score their tries. No doubt Manly are a class side, but Watmough and TRex make those mistakes every game and they hold down and are offside on almost every tackle. It only takes a slight lapse in discipline the way Manly play or some frustration to give away some penalties and turn the game. If Toovey isn’t the disciplinarian that hasler was things could quickly turn on Manly. Of course Manly whinged the entire game and afterward about everything despite the fact that both their first two tries came off dubious penalties.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:21pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
As I keep saying, Manly HAVE WON TWO TITLES. They have proven themselves. They brushed aside last year’s grand finalists and this year’s ‘premiership favorites’, Wests Tigers. They played badly on Monday and deserved to be beaten but remember, this comp is 26 long rounds. Manly will win enough games to be there at the end of the year, Hasler or no.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:45am
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
March 21st 2012 @ 1:44pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
I really need to catch the replay of that Cronulla-Manly match, seems good. For one thing, Manly gets beaten, which I enjoy.
Saw the takle that put Tony Williams in hot water though; dear god ref, they gave you the red coloured card in the reason. Report if you will but when a guy spins a play greater than a 180 degrees then send him from the field because he’s obviously gone crackers.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:49pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Williams is going to get a lot of weeks- but to say he’s gone ‘crackers’ is absolutely absurd. Tony Williams is a careless tackler who needs to be punished until he changes his style but he’s not crazy. If you notice, he didn’t make another dangerous tackle and we want to avoid punishing the fans who paid money to watch the game.
I’m glad you like watching Manly get beaten but this match was not a blockbuster, to put it mildly.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:54pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
I know he didn’t after that but then he had already been placed on report. As a few people have pointed out, if Williams gets many weeks this is only of benefit to the teams they will play against in future. It is of no benefit to the sinned against party, that is Cronulla.
But seriously, when you go that close to doing permanent harm to someone then something has switched off in your head. Now getting pulled up short and probably realising how close he had come to doing harm probably kicked him back into gear but … look, I wouldn’t trust anyone who had done that sort of thing.
And I know its not a blockbuster but the buggers don’t lose that often so you take what you can get
March 21st 2012 @ 2:09pm
B.A Sports said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Is their a market (in betting) for whether or not a player will be sent off this year? Because if Williams stays on the field for that, then i don’t see how anyone gets sent off.
It was the worst tackle i had seen since Glenn Stewart put a late elbow through Anasta’s jaw at the back end of 2010.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:25pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Lol. Fair enough, Nathan. Good win for the Sharkies. And you’re right, given his history it’s clear that Tony Williams does not currently have mastery over his own body or impulses. But he’s a champion player and needs to be given every chance to fix it- which he’ll get thanks to a 10-week vacation on the sidelines.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:50am
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
It wasn’t a great weekend quality wise but every sport will have rounds like this at some point. The first two rounds were fantastic. You can’t maintain that standard every week.
The Roosters/Raiders really was deplorable. You could almost excuse that game if it was played on the conditions from Monday’s game but on a sunny Sunday afternoon? Worst match I’ve seen in a long time.
The Titans and Eels look destined to battle for the wooden spoon, just like last season.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:05pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Yeah, agree with you and of course not every round can be a blockbuster, you’re right, but I do question the motivation levels on the weekend. This was more like English football- which is why we have destroyed the Poms for the last 30 years. English players are rarely prepared to lift their game to the requisite level of physical intensity and discipline required to defeat Australian teams. The players suffered from emotional letdown over the weekend, I suspect.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:29pm
Jaceman said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
The Eels will come good and maybe the Titans but still too early to tell. Was it 2010 where the Eels came form nowhere to make the semis???
March 21st 2012 @ 1:05pm
Will Sinclair said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
If the Parramatta Eels make the 2012 NRL Semi-Finals I will deadset give the game away.
They are SO FAR off the pace… it’s incredible.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:27pm
Jaceman said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Maybe but it is a long season and their draw is OK and dont have many SOO players…
March 22nd 2012 @ 11:28am
MG Burbank said | March 22nd 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Jaceman, you must be a proud Eels supporter. I feel for you. Regarding their draw, Parramatta have lost to North Qld, Brisbane and New Zealand. They have yet to play Manly, St George, Wests Tigers, Canterbury and Melbourne. Yes, they won’t lose many to Origin but that’s never helped mediocre teams in the past- the best teams stay in the hunt until Origin is over and then march to the finals. No draw is good fo this team. They should be aiming to win 12 games (50%) and collect two byes- might get them in.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:40pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
I agree. They’re not off the pace mathematically- still plenty (too many) of rounds to go. But this team simply doesn’t have the pieces. Sandow is a decent halfback but not the world-beater $550,000 should get you.
On your other point Will, about the TV deal and the Catch 22 you mentioned, yes, it is a tricky situation. It’s only a matter of time before we have an NRL channel just like the AFL channel. More games, more teams, more TV. By the same token, with a huge deal the NRL should be able to flood the public with marketing for the game and clubs should have more cash from grants to continue membership drives. That really is the way to go- once you have a lot of members, you have more people feeling part of the club and more deeply invested emotionally. Having said all that, people have always stayed home to watch League. It seems like there’s a ceiling on the average crowd figure- during the best times it’s been at around 15-16,000 a game. I’d love to see it punch through the 20,000 mark but for that to happen we’re going to need Sydney fans to pack places like ANZ and Allianz Stadium for the local derbies, something which doesn’t happen now. Gold Coast and Canberra are also dramatically underachieving on crowd figures.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:51pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Aim for a nice, fat contra component; you can get more value since its payment in kind so the cost to them isn’t as high as stumping up cash and make sure you put out advertising in Victoria and Western Australia to try and raise the awareness. Also puffs up the overall value of the deal which, in turn, gives off a perception of success and momentum.
There is a strong RL community here but you might even try some kind of campaign on the news shows in WA when they do odd stories for the last five minutes to explain how Union and League are different because in the general public here that’s a bit foggy… Found out the old man didn’t know there were two codes when I tried to show him ARC’s League skit that they played on the NRL Footy Show a while back…
And yes, Memberships are what binds people and families to teams, the glue of the social compact between fan and club. They’re, uh, also your safeguard against people getting slack about buying tickets and being forgetful. When they’ve already paid for something they’re more likely to exercise what it provides.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:34pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
What do you mean exactly by “come good”, Jaceman? Pretty general. Do you mean they’ll qualify for the 8? Win half their games? Win a third? What? It was 2009 that Parramatta made their run. That side was fundamentally different- Hayne was on a tear, something he hasn’t reproduced in all the time since. Parramatta’s forwards were dominant. They also simply overachieved, which happens from time to time- look at the Warriors last year. They should have been gone after they lost the first semi to the Broncos.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:58pm
Jaceman said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
I was replying to Sinclair who said they Parra were incredibly off the pace. I think they will beat Penrith (short turnaround) and all will be forgiven. I dont know where they will finish – thats why I will watch every week.
BTW Maxwell who was punted for that horrible off side decision that gave the Tigers the win over the Sharks returns this week (in NZ). And Hayne gets the Manly/Saints game which should be a close battle..
March 21st 2012 @ 3:28pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
I’m thinking about picking the Eels this Friday. Penrith are unreliable and at some point the players will band together and produce a committed performance. I need to take a look at the lineups first.
The appointing of referees is over-scrutinized- the difference between the perceived ‘best’ and the rest is minimal. If Maxwell hadn’t made that egregious error no one would be complaining about him. The video and pocket referees have narrowed the gap between the strongest and weakest refs.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:44pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
2009 actually Jaceman, though in that year they won 2 of their first 3 matches. There is some hope for long suffering Eels fans however. The Warriors lost their first 3 matches last season and still made the GF. Then again the Warriors were finalists in 2010 so were more likely a good team going through a bad slump. Parramatta however finished 14th last year so appear to be merely continuing on with the form of last season.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:29pm
MG Burbank said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Exactly right, Matt. The Warriors had much more talent on paper last year, too: Locke, Maloney, Johnson, Inu, Rapira etc. Parramatta don’t have anyone in the forwards who can do damage, Tonga is aging and Sandow/Roberts have yet to prove themselves at all.