NRL draft and the legal perspective
By Peter_Allsopp, 21 Mar 2012 Peter_Allsopp is a Roar Rookie
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Over the past month, a lot has been said and written in relation to the introduction of a draft in the NRL. Many have stated that due to the 1991 findings of the courts in Adamson versus New South Wales Rugby League, the introduction of a draft is impossible.
This case was decided in 1991, over twenty years ago. Since that time, rugby league and professional sport in Australia have undergone considerable changes.
Also, the financial state of individual clubs and of the competition today is drastically different to that in 1991.
Restraint of trade cases generally take the view that a contract to restrain an individual’s liberty of action in carrying on his or her trade, business, occupation or profession and all restraints of trade of themselves are contrary to public policy and therefore void, unless the restraint is:
(i) reasonably necessary to protect the interests of the person in whose favour it is imposed;
(ii) not unreasonable as regards the person restrained; and
(iii) not unreasonably injurious to the public.
In 1991, one hundred and fifty four rugby league players commenced an action arguing that the `internal draft’ system which regulated the movement of players between clubs where they were not under contract was an unreasonable restraint of trade.
The NSWRL argued, among other things, that the internal draft system had the objectives of ensuring an even competition, financial viability for the clubs, and to limit the mid-season “plundering” of the weaker clubs of their good players.
Initially, the court held that the restraint imposed by the internal draft was reasonable, considering the legitimate interests of NSWRL, the clubs and the players.
On appeal, the Federal Court found for the players. The Court declared the internal draft system was void as an unreasonable restraint of trade because the NSWRL could not show that the restraint was reasonably related to the objects of the League or the clubs, and afforded no more than adequate protection to the interests of the League and the clubs.
The Court said that, in trying to secure an internal draft, the NSWRL was trying to ensure its financial viability by maintaining a strong and well matched competition.
Unlike other industries, professional sport requires evenly matched teams because one-sided events are less attractive commercially.
The rationale of the initial decision was, as the teams did not have equal salary caps (due to the financial position of some of the clubs at the time), the need for an internal draft was necessary to maintain the financial viability of the clubs.
It has been argued that the salary cap is a restraint of trade. When first implemented for the 1990 season, it was uneven ranging from $1,500,000 to $800,000, as determined by the league’s analysis of each club’s financial situation.
Currently the NRL salary cap is set at $4,400,000 for the 25 highest paid players at each club.
This initial judgement seems to be remarkably prescient considering the fall out following Super League, and the clubs’ weakened position due to the deregulation of Poker Machine licences.
As previously mentioned, the restraint of trade doctrine places the onus on the party imposing the restriction – the club – to show that it is no more than what is necessary to protect their interests.
In order to maximise interest the NRL has to maintain an attractive competition whereby there is a high degree of uncertainty about the result of any competition, the economic power of certain clubs to acquire the best players must be limited.
Since 1991, professional sportsmen playing rugby league have opportunities to ply their trade elsewhere. Rugby union has become a professional sport, players have the opportunity to play AFL or play overseas. This supports a claim that an internal draft is not an unreasonable restraint of their trade.
The third and final component of the test for unfair restraint of trade is whether the restraint acts against the interests of the public.
It would be difficult for those against an internal draft to argue that a competition where weaker teams will get increasingly weaker due to the poaching of players by more successful teams is in the interests of the public.
It could be argued that the public is best served by a robust competition.
If the NRL was to reintroduce an internal draft in combination with the salary cap it could legitimately argue that it was reasonable to do so in order to protect the game and therefore the player’s interests as well as those of the public.
Therefore, there is no legal barrier to the reintroduction of a draft in the NRL.
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March 21st 2012 @ 7:59am
oikee said | March 21st 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
You say that rugby league players can go to rugby union and AFL, and yet you try to make us think that having a draft will stop this practice. ? Is that what you are saying, because not being able to move to another code, could that not be a restraint of trade.
Look, your opening a can of worms, how mant times do i have to tell you to put this thing to bed, do you undetrstand what a precident is, it was set in league many years ago with the draft going to court.
And your barking up the wrong tree, the players themselves could stop this practice arguing that they are the modern stolen generation being taken from their families at a young age without any support but footy players, and the younger guys who are married, or have partners or kids, imagine the fallout of having to shift to somewhere with no family network, and they will have no say in the matter. ?
Yes they will, because it will jkust end up in court again. Let it go, put the thing in the rubbish bin where it belongs.
Rugby league at the moment allows players to shift and feel if they can manage a move to another club in another state or country, and they can move back with a contract if they dont like it, we are not forcing them to do something they dont wish to do.
Have you got any idea about family structures and how they work.
You need to only look at the AFL and the way the draft is breaking down family structure, look at Jarrah, i bet their are hundreds of cases, the AFL wont report it unless it goes feral.
Now put this draft to bed, throw the thing in the garbage, where it belongs, you will end up in court, in tears.
March 21st 2012 @ 9:00am
Peter said | March 21st 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
I am not arguing for or against a draft. I have an issue with commentators who argue that because in 1991 the Courts found that the draft was a restraint of trade that they would do the same today. The Court held that the argument that the Rugby League made for the introduction of the draft was not reasonable. If they were to introduce a draft again today a court may find that it is reasonable as the times have changed.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:12am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Peter,
Oikee’s argument essentially comes down to ‘I want clubs in existing strong areas to be advantaged so the game wont grow’.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:05pm
oikee said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
The game is growing now and was in turmoil with the super league war. Their is now growth about to happen, and no war. The memberships are growing as well.
Saying it wont grow is not knowing the game. NZ is growing as well.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Oikee,
If a side in an established area has first bite at all the kids coming through, then how are teams in Perth, Melbourne or Adelaide going to get a compeitive team on the paddock ?
The current system is great if you’ve been gifted a massive area with no competition, the way Brisbane have, and you can turn that into better exposures for your sponsors, as Brisbane have.
But, unlike you, I want to expand rugby league into new areas, and I know that having a viable NRL that goes across Australia, New Zealand and PNG is going to require supporting clubs that are in new areas.
Yes, this will mean disadvantaging existing clubs.
Deal with it, move on.
Yes, this will involve kids being supported in their move from the country to the big smoke – and maybe your universe didnt have this happen, but in my universe Chris Sandow moved from Cherbourg thousands of kilometers to Brisbane and then the Gold Coast to play footy, and a lack of support caused the Gold Coast Titans to be out a tiny rookie contract.
If they had been faced with losing a precious first-round pick when he goes home, then I can assure you they would have tried harder to have the kid work out.
But yeah, keep doing everything you can to disadvantage new clubs in new areas, and then express surprise and amazement when they fail.
March 21st 2012 @ 8:17am
peeeko said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
nice piece of research and analysis but i feel the whole talk of a draft is a bit of a waste of time. i very much doubt that it is on the comissions agenda. its not going to happen
March 21st 2012 @ 8:25am
Roarsome said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Not a legal issue at all. Look at the Police force, Teaching and Nursing where people are posted all over the various states.
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March 21st 2012 @ 8:38am
The Cattery said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
To add to this well argued article, I could a few points:
1. In the AFL’s case, the fact that the PA agree to it has some influence.
2. Looking over a 20 year period, with wages growing every year, it’s hard for players to argue that they are worse off with the existence of the draft.
3. Like many other professions, you are invited to go through a particular process to to get gainful employment. No one holds a gun to anyone’s head to submit to that process, they can stay in the second tier, or they can go do something else, at the age of 18, you can go fininsh your schooling if you don’t want to pursue a career in the AFL. In the NRL, the choices are even greater, with union and overseas football a possibility, so it’s hard to imagine how the NRL would lose such a case if the AFL can manage it.
March 21st 2012 @ 8:39am
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
I think were all over this drat issue. Just introduce a trade window from August and be done with it. The players will just have to accept that it is in the games best interest and who knows maybe we wont get so many players moving between clubs as the current clubs will have the advantage. The game is about the Fans and Clubs, not the players.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:16am
roarr said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Why dont they make some sort of hybrid draft/window where players enter the draft… but players get a right of refusal.
I’m not exactly sure how an internal draft would work… but it would be a risk for a player to say no to a team knowing that other teams might offer less money or not offer a contract at all.
Does anyone in Rugby League hierarchy ever do any active research/thinking/planning? Or do they just let issues go out in the media and let everyone complain about it…then copy another sports process.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:24pm
oikee said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
This is what the commission is for, they need to look through the ideas that you and Paul are coming up with, to find a simple system that works well with our game and does not effect the season as is happening now, but also allows us to not worry about the off season as well. We have to much going on, and it is only going to get more congested in the future with more countries coming on
board wanting to play internationals.
Imagine having to fit a draft in their somewhere. Its madness, and will put our game back 20 years.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:50am
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
The NRL can re-introduce it, but as if someone takes it to court it will be kicked out again. From a strictly legal stand point (and this is from people with far better legal minds then myself) it is a restraint of trade as it robs a person of the right to choose their employer (assuming the employer wants to hire the person obviously.) However if the NRL can convince the players and the RLPA to accept the draft concept then there’s no issue. As long as nobody challenges the system, then it’s fine.
Having said all that, a draft isn’t really going to solve the main problem which is current NRL players signing with other clubs for next year in round 2 of the current year. The primary function of drafts in other sports are to distibute young talent i.e. players who are entering the league, amongst the clubs. It won’t stop mid-season signing announcements. A trade system might do this, but that’s a whole seperate system.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:22pm
Peter said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
A restraint of trade is not always illegal. It must be balanced between the interests of the two parties and the test as applied by the courts allows for a restraint of trade on the grounds that it is reasonable. If it was taken to Court today it might be considered reasonable due to the changes in the nature of professional sport since 1991.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:30pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
That is true, it will depend on the scenario. However, according to the people that I’ve spoken to, hypothetically speaking making a Penrith local move to Townsville when he would otherwise be able to stay in Penrith (i.e. he wants to play for Penrith and the Panthers want to sign him) would not be considered reasonable.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:32pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Clearly, no kid will ever move from Cootamundra, Cherbourg, Wagga Wagga or Mount Isa to the big smoke to play footy.
Stupid. Argument. Is. Stupid.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:55pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
Given that none of those places have an NRL team you’ve just made a completely irrelevant point. It’s even less relevant given that, if a player did decide to stay and play park football in Mt Isa instead of playing NRL in Penrith, then he can do so. Of course some players will choose to move and play football elsewhere, but the key word is “choose.” Is it reasonable to force someone to move to another city/state to take a job when they are offered the exact same job in their current location, and want to take that job? Of course it’s not. It wouldn’t be acceptable in any other industry so why is it acceptable in sport?
Irrelevant. Point. Is. Irrelevant.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:54pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
No, the reason Stupid. Argument. Is. Stupid. is we have twenty years and more of young Australian Rules players just dealing – and some of the time their first contract runs out and they go home, and most of the time they dont.
We can either say ‘right, rugby league is going national, and moving away from its traditional areas and growing’ and tell some kids to harden the [deleted] up, and tell some clubs to do a better job supporting them … or we can be weak and soft and useless and refuse to go outside the areas the code is already strong.
Your call.
March 21st 2012 @ 5:07pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
Personally I don’t have a major issue with a draft, I’ve just been pointing out what people in the legal profession have told me about a draft. That is that it only takes one player to lodge legal action and it will almost certainly be scrapped just like in 1991.
I can certainly see the benefits of a draft when expanding to “foreign” areas. In fact as a Swans fan I’m well aware that we would struggle to attract young talent if there was no draft as most kids would prefer to stay where they are and Sydney isn’t exactly a hot zone for elite AFL talent.
I’ve just been pointing out that the RLPA is highly unlikely to accept a draft as the current system is clearly skewed towards their interests and, without the RLPA support, a draft has no chance in hell of ever happening.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:23am
turbodewd said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Two of the most successful sporting competitions in the world use socialist means to achieve capitalist ends – the NFL and the AFL. How can an RL fan who is anti-draft justify his position when the NRL is nowhere near as successful as those leagues. Its like Red Rooster not adopting McDonalds methods. McDonalds or Toyota or Apple are the masters of their industry, why not simply copy what the best do?
In an even league every team should have equal access to the best talent. Currently they dont and so Brisbane make the playoffs virtually every year. Its a miracle they havent won more GFinals.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:40am
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
It is a stretch to compare the NRL to either of those codes. The AFL has all the power as does the NFL as thier is no other sport for their players to play. Lets face it, at the end of the day the players are in it for the money and if you had to choose between playing in Canberra against your wishes becuase you were told to or had the option to go to English super league or french Ru or even japanese rugby, I think i know where my GF or Wife would like to go for a couple of years. If your a true NRL supporter stop bring up theAFL, they just lost 23 MIllion, GWS is nowhere near what they had hoped for and for that matter what other sport in the world can turn someone who has played less games than your avg 12 yr old (Israel Folau) into a player capable of playing at the HIGHEST level in that sport regardless of their physical attributes?
March 21st 2012 @ 12:07pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Paul,
I note you havent answered any of turbodewd’s arguments.
As an aside, very very few 18 year olds will get any sort of decent offer from the English super league, french ru or japanese super rugby.
March 21st 2012 @ 12:30pm
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Ian, I couldntbe bothered, as soon as someone mentions AFL i get annoyed. Its a crap game. Do you really think if an Agent took a video of what todays 18 yr olds are capable of and offered them overseas they wouldnt get an offer? I coached a RU player at 15yrs Old and he was signed by the Bulldogs that year
March 21st 2012 @ 1:36pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Paul,
It might be a crap game. That might be true, but …
In 1970, the NSWRL averaged crowds of 11 000.
In 2010, the NRL averaged crowds of 16 000.
In 1970, the VFL averaged crowds of 21 700.
In 2010, the AFL averaged crowds of 36 900.
Thats a better growth rate off a higher base.
Now, you may not be bothered to justify your arguments, and you might just think whining about the AFL is a workable strategy – but if you dont look at what your rivals are doing right and wrong, then you are condemning yourself to a whole bunch of very avoidable mistakes.
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/1970.html
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/2010.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/1970.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/2010.html
March 21st 2012 @ 3:56pm
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
Ian the NRL has been doing fine for over 100 years, it aint going to stop now regardless of what you think. The AFL cant grow internationally so there is really nowhere else for them to go, SYd and Brisb have had teams for a long time and as such they are at thier peak with only one way to go, and that is DOWN. Hence their 23 million dollar loss/gamble on GWS which aint going to good from what i hear, Do you watch the back page and what the AFL expert said last night about his experiance when he went to blacktown?
I am not running the NRL and im pretty sure there are more qualified and smarter people than us making the decisions. The truth is the Storm are in the best position of all teams in all codes to capitalise on thier potential. All they need is FTA television and watch them go!!
March 21st 2012 @ 6:35pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
Paul,
The NRL has lost a team in Perth, a team in Adelaide, two teams in south east Queensland and has a third looking fragile. They have lost a team in Sydney, and are timesharing in Woolongong and Campbelltown.
Cronulla and Canberra probably cant keep up with the existing salary cap without a major sponsor, which neither of them appear to have.
The corporate owner of Melbourne would like to get out, if someone will cover the likely losses.
But yeah, you can claim the great game of rugby league doesnt have anything to worry about.
March 21st 2012 @ 7:33pm
NF said | March 21st 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
So Ian since you seem to know along about RL what are you ideas to help move the game forward in the right direction?
March 21st 2012 @ 8:01pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
NF,
Short term stuff – everyone sits down with Canterbury for a chat about what they are doing right.
2010 was a crud year for them on the field – they finish 13th. They still average a home crowd of 20 000.
2011 wasnt a lot better for them, finishing 9th. They still average a home crowd of 19 500.
They are doing something right, and the other Sydney clubs need to find out what it is and copy it.
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/canterbury.html
Next, Gold Coast Titans get a rescue package, contingent on the Independant Commission getting board seats and oversight – basically, a conservatorship, which is kinda sort of like a pre-bankruptcy, where you leave the existing management there, but have an external body able to tell them ‘No’.
This rescue package includes help with sponsors and ticket subsidies, as well as NRL cap concessions and marketing money.
The time of rugby league actively trying to kill clubs, or passively letting them die, is over. We hang together, or we hang seperately.
If we need to do the same thing at some point with Canberra or Cronulla, thats fine.
Next, clubs are told that there is no major rise in the salary cap until the NRL has it’s war chest back to pre-Super League levels.
Once the war chest is refilled, there will be a rise in the cap, but also a Grounds Fund, to buy the NRL equity in the grounds on which it plays.
Next, the grass roots are watered by the return of the Amco Cup, where country teams play off for the right to play the NRL teams in a knockout comp run during the bye weeks, with the final during the NRL finals.
Next, clubs are thrown a bone with Broken Time for players damaged in rep games. If a player is damaged in a rep game and misses regular season matches, the club concerned is able to temporarily promote a off-list player to replace him, and gets a credit of the broken players salary against the cap in either this year or next year.
Finally, international development is assisted by each NRL club being allocated one country to develop. Two players from that country have the first $100k of their salary cap-free, and the club can earn up to $250k of cap room by dedicating that much money to developing rugby league in that country.
In the long term, the plan F.ck Foxtel goes into action – NRL TV, delivered on subscription directly, without Fox as an intermediary. This will require war with News Corp and probably Telstra, but thats fine – its why we refilled the war chest first.
March 21st 2012 @ 11:49am
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
I don’t think a draft has much to do with popularity of various sports/competitions. The draft is meant to ensure that every team has a chance to win the competition and ensure that the competition is more even, yet the NRL has 9 different winners in the past 11 seasons, and that’s including the 2 premierships that were stripped from Melbourne. Clearly the NRL is extremely even, even without a draft.
Besides a thoroughly non-socialist competition like the EPL is pretty popular………………
March 21st 2012 @ 2:17pm
turbodewd said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
The EPL is popular but utterly dominated by Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal. Its hopeless if you ask me.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:38pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Regardless it’s still extremely succesful, and without a draft (just like all the major soccer leagues in the world,) which goes against your argument that competitions with a draft are more succesful because they have a draft then those that don’t.
March 21st 2012 @ 2:45pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
Matt F,
Have you any clue just how unsustainable those leagues are ?
I’ll give you two words to start your research on. Glasgow. Rangers.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:07pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Of course I “have a clue” how unsustainable those leagues are. There is a reason why UEFA is introducing the Financial Fair Play laws. However that’s completely irrelevant to the original point, which was that whether having a draft was a key reason why sports are more succesful/popular then others. The unsustainability of a league like the EPL has nothing to do with having a draft or not. They’re unsustainable for entirely different reasons. I’d love to know your reasoning why the EPL wil solve all of its sustainability issues if they implement a draft system.
Besides the SPL has declined so much over the last decade in comparison to other leagues that it’s debatable whether it can be considered a major league anymore.
March 21st 2012 @ 3:30pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
MattF,
By spreading the talent out with a draft, you get more teams in contention for the Premiership, leading to higher average crowds and interest.
As a league, I dont think you can afford to have a crowd profile that looks like this without aggressive equalisation, of which a draft is a part.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=3436
March 21st 2012 @ 3:47pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
I agree that, in general, equalisation is important to maimising interest, I just don’t believe that a draft is as intricate to this as others believe. As I said before the NRL has had 9 winners in the past 11 seasons which becomes 8 from 9 if the 2 Storm titles are removed. That’s exceptionally even and all done without a draft. That’s not to say that leagues with drafts aren’t even, the AFL is also exceptionally even. I would contend that the salary cap, if enforced fairly well, is far more important to creating a competition then a draft. Obviously this is something that the EPL also lacks.
Also, when talking about EPL crowds, you need to take into account promotion and relegation. When Newcastle were relegated a few years ago they still had one of the highest average crowds in England despite being in the Championship. For example there are 13 clubs currently in the Championship with higher average crowds then QPR. West Ham are averaging 30k this season.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:27pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:27pm | Report comment
How can you even think about comparing the EPL to a suburban draft system like the AFL.
The EPL is the most international competition in the world and players come from everywhere around the globe to play for who they like.
Lionel Messi drafted to a suburban Buenos Aires team and plugs away there for the rest of his life.
You must be joking.
The AFL draft system works well because its a closed market made up of suburban back yard young hopefuls who will never go anywhere and no young kids from overseas are going to come to Victoria to play AFL. Its a closed shop under the control of the Central Bank of AFL.
And despite all that, there are still only a handful of teams every year who have any chance of winning the egg ball cup and they are usually from Melbourne, because the high crowd pulling teams from Melbourne get to play most of their games at home at the MCG to maximise the Central Bank of AFL’s revenue.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:40pm
The Cattery said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Itscalled
don’t be so hard on the EPL, its a competition with a great tradition and history and one I have a good deal of respect for. It has clubs that are almost as old as the oldest AFL clubs.
It’s certainly a competition that I would rate alongside the AFL on so many levels.
March 21st 2012 @ 10:50pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:50pm | Report comment
TC
stop twisting the argument around to suit your AFL bias.
The AFL will never rate alongside the EPL – the vast majority of world sports fans haven’t even heard of it.
AFL is a suburban Victorian phenomenon.
Are you a paid spokesman of the AFL?
March 21st 2012 @ 10:51pm
Titus said | March 21st 2012 @ 10:51pm | Report comment
Its probably worth pointing out that the average attendances in the EPL is pretty much bang on with the stadium capacities, taking into account Ians chart.
The people of Swansea City aren’t less interested in their team because Manchester United will win the league, they are just a small club with a small stadium, having a salary cap that made the quality worse but more even isn’t going to create bigger crowds and more interest.
March 21st 2012 @ 1:30pm
oikee said | March 21st 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Those 2 sporting codes dont have to worry about international games, or world cups. It all sounds nice and cosy for them, but they have not alot to offer outside their normal seasons.
Rugby league has growing pains now with more internationals needing to be played. only this year we have NZ and England wanting internationals at the end of year, Australia telling them we want a rest because the World Cup is next year.
Down the track 20 years we might have another 3-5 nations all wanting more internationals.
If we had a draft in place, this would effect our time to have these i9nternationals. And when are the players going to have holidays. We cant expect them to perform like circus bunnies,. Well we can if they are good looking.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:11pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
I dunno, Oikee, how much does the international aspect actually negatively affect the league itself? Yes, you lose a couple weekends, there are a handful more injuries to big names from the additional but the NRL aren’t exactly losing scores of players to the ESL or anything.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:22pm
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Nathan, while i dont know exact numbers there are prob 30 players playing in the English super league at present. So much so they now have a SOO equivilant called the Expats or something. Look at some of the Players that have just returned, Mat KIng, Willie Masion, There is an argument that we should stop players going over sees before we expand the game.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:28pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
Well,
A) that’s only like 5% of your top-tier player numbers and not necessarily the big stars. Subtract from that the players you’re extracting from the English player base and the loss is even less.
B) for the sake of international League I’d hope you didn’t try and cut off players bolstering the ESL…
March 21st 2012 @ 4:36pm
Paul said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
What would happen to any other code lets say AFL if they lost 5% of their playing roster,
March 21st 2012 @ 4:51pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
It would depend on which 5% it is. If it was the best 5% then the AFL may have a problem, if it were the worst 5% of players then not so much.
The ex-NRL players that are in England appear to be either good to very good players who are now at retirement age or average to poor players who couldn’t make it (or barely made it for not that much money) in the NRL. The vast majority of them are no real loss.
March 21st 2012 @ 5:05pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 21st 2012 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
More than 5% of rosters enter and leave as stands as part of normal recruiting/resigning churn. As I said, the loss is compensated by players coming the other direction. For another perspective, this also develops knowledge and allows experimentation with other system which provides net benefits to the system. Solid players going, solid players coming.
I don’t think players like Billy Slater will be heading there any time soon, for that matter.
March 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm
Matt F said | March 21st 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
I was under the impression that there are now less players going to the ESL then before. Something to do with the poor economy in the UK and it being more difficult to get Visa’s, especially if a player has had legal troubles (which would apply to a fair few NRL players!) Regardless there are generally very few NRL superstars playing over there, or at least very few superstars who aren’t 30+
March 22nd 2012 @ 4:41pm
LT80 said | March 22nd 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Most football supporters don’t want a draft, because they want to see local juniors come up through the ranks and eventually represent their local club. Look at the rosters of clubs like North Queensland, Brisbane or New Zealand – many or most of their players are from their region. Would the people of Brisbane be as supportive of the Broncos if there were hardly any Queenslanders in the squad? Maybe not, it would be a shame if that happened.