GWS kids do Western Sydney proud
By Andrew Sutherland, 25 Mar 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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I think many people expected the GWS Giants to embarrass themselves in their historic first match last night. Instead they did themselves proud.
With 17 first gamers and 14 teenagers in the side, expectations were not high. Only 2 of the 52 tipsters from The Age and the Herald Sun picked GWS to beat the Swans. They were the Kiss of Death and The Village Idiot.
But the lads from Blacktown (actually Breakfast Point) showed a manic intensity in the opening exchanges as well as slick skills to stay with the older Sydney enterprise. They trailed by just 17 points at quarter time and a not too shabby 31 points at half time.
Even when the Swans kicked 5 straight goals in the third term to lead at the break by 64 points, and a repeat of the Suns’ horrible debut was on the cards, it didn’t quite seem to reflect the state of play – although showing signs of fatigue, the Giants were still getting plenty of the ball but were made to pay for their errors and lack of key forwards by the skilled and efficient Swans.
In a promising display the Giants outscored the Swans in the last quarter by a point. Their tenacity was highlighted by a powerful tackle by Israel Folau on a hapless Dan Hanneberry who lost the ball and temporarily the use of his body.
So what could be said about the GWS Giants after their baptism of fire? One aspect of their play that stands out is the hardness at the ball which reflects the head of development Alan McConnell’s belief that “teams who win premierships win the contested ball”.
They must be careful that by replicating this physical style of play they don’t damn their young players’ bodies to premature chronic injury. Many youngsters have already emerged from the TAC Cup with osteits pubis and poor shoulders.
They’re a long way off a premiership but with the addition of the experienced Luke Power and Dean Brogan, the classy Tom Scully and the man mountain Jonathon Patton (who was seen dwarfing Matthew Richardson and Brian Taylor in the commentary box) they are going to give a few teams a torrid time of it.
It’s a shame, but not a surprise considering the conservative nature of AFL footballers, that a few more experienced players didn’t make the move to GWS. The fear of moving away from home, club loyalty and not wanting to play for a struggling venture, no doubt all played their part.
So how do we describe this historic night in western Sydney? The crowd of over 38,000 was a healthy one and the evening, with the help of the slightly chaotic but mirthful new Channel 7 commentary team, had a carnival atmosphere.
Hopefully some kids from rugby league households with bodies not suited to that game will have watched and had their interest piqued.
Or, perhaps some of them saw the lights on and wandered over to see what all the fuss was about – just like those Melburnians in 1998 who popped into Olympic Park to see the city’s new rugby league team play for the first time.
Finally, to the boys wearing the orange and charcoal (colours that go surprisingly well together), you did yourselves and western Sydney proud.
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March 25th 2012 @ 7:40am
Cameron said | March 25th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Since this group is so young (and so promising), watching them develop over the next few years will be very interesting. It will also give opportunity for their new fans to really follow a team, as in watch a group of young playes grow and develop. I think their eventual success will be that much more rewarding to see for the fans just because of this.
March 25th 2012 @ 8:55am
Xman said | March 25th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Agree. The easy way out with expansion teams is to fill them with mature players so they are competitive from the get go. But I think filling the team with potential star teenagers will result in a greater eventual following because the fans will grow to love a team that is seen as their own development.
March 25th 2012 @ 9:24am
The Cattery said | March 25th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
I agree Cameron, it will be a great journey.
March 25th 2012 @ 11:49am
Westie said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Would have expected at a minimum 50,000 playing out of that 80k venue. What was the tv ratings in greater Sydney? They are the true indicators.
Looks like another 30 odd years to make any headway here.
March 25th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
I read that as: “I will always place the goal-posts of success to feet to the right of wherever you are”
March 25th 2012 @ 12:49pm
Ted Skinner said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
82K in Sydney – shown on 7 Mate.
Mediaweek @MediaweekAUS Sat TV: #AFLGiantsSwans 574k (Mel 361k Ade 116k Per 97k) 7mate 115k (Syd 82k Bri 33k) AFL Pre 404k AFL Post 329k #BeforeTheGame Mel 135k
Pay TV to come.
BTW the Channel 7 News which would have competed with the game got 319K last week (last night’s figures not available yet.)
March 25th 2012 @ 6:06pm
Ted Skinner said | March 25th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
Sat #AFL TV ratings #AFLGiantsSwans Seven + 7mate 689k @FoxFooty 196k Total 885k
Note Pay TV 196K Nation-wide. The Sydney component might be 20K –40K??
FTA + Pay = 885K
March 25th 2012 @ 7:34pm
Redb said | March 25th 2012 @ 7:34pm | Report comment
Given the game was between a Sydney team & a new Sydney team those ratings are pretty good. The traditional base will tune in greater numbers for Carl v Rich and then Coll v Haw.
March 25th 2012 @ 9:43pm
Ted Skinner said | March 25th 2012 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
What’s your take on the Sydney & Brisbane numbers – 82K & 33K?
March 25th 2012 @ 10:33pm
Redb said | March 25th 2012 @ 10:33pm | Report comment
Game was over by half time. I’d like to see the peak numbers. 3 hour game tends dilute the average especially if casuals.
A portion of Foxtel viewers would be Sydney.
The game was considered a no contest in most AFL fans eyes, those that watched were looking at the kids, novelty factor, etc.
Good crowd, media for GWS – something to build on.
March 25th 2012 @ 8:17am
Titus said | March 25th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Ummm….they lost by 68 points. The contest was as good as over after 10mins.
Can’t understand why everyone is talking them and the game up, it’s truely bizarre.
March 25th 2012 @ 8:41am
Chris said | March 25th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Because many were expecting a 100+ point thumping.
I was pleasantly surprised by the level of competitiveness shown by the Giants. Although I was also very disappointed by the Swans – particularly in the final quarter. Their skill level was abysmal.
March 25th 2012 @ 9:23am
The Cattery said | March 25th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Titus
it’s about understanding the game. They’re just kids, they stuck at it till the end, they had one really bad patch when the Swans scored 7 unanswered goals, which is unsurprising.
Last year the Suns were starstruck from the opening minute and completely decimated – that didn’t happen last night, it could have happened, but it didn’t.
March 25th 2012 @ 10:58am
The Guru said | March 25th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
I found it very annoying Titus, I was watching what looked like a turd on a stick and the commentators were telling me it was a toffee apple. If they’re not good enough for first grade, they shouldn’t be playing first grade.
March 25th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Andrew Sutherland said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Guru, it is a shame that a team in the elite competition is chock full of novices, and that every possession is greeted with “great effort for a first year player”. That’s partly a result of them grabbing all the draftees but also due to the unwillingness of class players to leave established clubs.
Still, considering their lack of experience and size, I thought they were exceptional.
March 25th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Alas, I think free agency would have been useful for them to have had before coming in.
March 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm
ChrisH said | March 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Titus, Guru, you lose all credibility taking such an extreme position. They were very competitive, make of that what you will, but turd on a stick they were not.
March 25th 2012 @ 7:26pm
Australian Rules said | March 25th 2012 @ 7:26pm | Report comment
Agreed AS
The above comments must be from people who do not understand the complexities and nuances of Australian Football (which admittedly, would form a large part of last night’s target audience).
The difference between last night’s game and the Suns’ opening shellacking against the Blues in 2011, is that the Giants actually knew what to do and how to play…they just aren’t good enough at it yet.
Promising signs for the young club.
To put it in perspective for non-Australian football folk…it’s like fielding a League side with 11 ex-high school kids (who have never played first grade) and 2 retired players and pitting them against the Storm. What would the score be?
March 26th 2012 @ 10:36am
Macca said | March 26th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
I have to agree with Titus, they lost by 10 goals, the Swans had 30 scoring shots to 12 and went insdie 50 71 times. People also have to remember that they were playing a side who will quite likely miss the 8 this year, if they had of played a Carlton like the Suns did last year the margin would of been 120 points the same as last year.
Their 2 key forwards struggled, Reid had 19 possessions againsst Davis so how many will a Franklin or Cloke have?
Yes they battled hard and gave it their all but the media seem to be contracted by the AFL to constantly talk them up. You also have to ask if the more defensive style when compared to the suns might shave a few goals off the margins each week but will it win them games?
March 26th 2012 @ 10:48am
The_Wookie said | March 26th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
60 points is nothing. Carlton beat Richmond by 100, and Essendon by much more than 60 IN A FINAL! 10 goal losses happen. Clubs get over them.
March 26th 2012 @ 10:56am
Macca said | March 26th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
The Swans are no Carlton though are they! And the stats point to the loss flattering the GWS, 71 inside 50′s for just 14 goals? And they had 30 scoring shots to 12.
Plus as I said if the GWS plan to just roll numbers back and try to minimise the margin how are they going to actually win a game?
March 25th 2012 @ 8:40am
mick h said | March 25th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
the crowd had a lot of red and not much orange it must be a major concern and why haven’t all of the foundation members from last year signed up yet
March 25th 2012 @ 3:11pm
mattamkII said | March 25th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
yes and much of the Orange look very, well should I say ”positioned” fans.
The banners looked purposed made by a (clueless) marketing department and what looked like a cheer squad ended up being parents and family kitted out.
March 25th 2012 @ 7:36pm
Redb said | March 25th 2012 @ 7:36pm | Report comment
How’s the tin foil hat fitting.
March 26th 2012 @ 12:05am
western sydney boy said | March 26th 2012 @ 12:05am | Report comment
Simple, cost of membership too high. Also home game schedule is all over the place which means individual tix become an easier option.
March 25th 2012 @ 8:57am
Fitzy said | March 25th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Sheeds went very defensive, being at ground at Swans end for last qtr there was 36 players in Swans fwd 50 for most of qtr. Sheedy said didnt want 100 pt thumping and bottled it up. The really surprising thing is that such a young group stuck to the game plan! Cornes was GWS best leading back line under constant pressure. Sammy Reid had 2 or 3 getting back on him, struggled at times. They need another key Fwd NOW, Saw Jesse in 2′s kick a bag might be ready to come back into line up.
March 25th 2012 @ 9:26am
The Cattery said | March 25th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
for those interested, Folau’s stats from last night:
one kick, one mark, two handballs, seven hitouts and one tackle.
unspectacular, but his strength actually helped create two goals.
It’s a year of learning for him, there will be plenty of games where his stats are every bit as low, he will be better for the return of Setanta and Brogan who can share some of the big man burden, and let the kids do what they do best – run.
March 25th 2012 @ 9:55am
Ian Whitchurch said | March 25th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Im happy with how Izzy went – the other point is thet are hitouts he won against Mumford.
A point a lot of people are missing is that the Giants list is awesome potential all the way down … Im not sure I’d want to cut four or five of the kids just to fit in good-average AFL footballers.
Rigth now, Im also thinking that extending five kids for 300k a year each might be a better deal than Cloke for one and a half a year – Cameron and Folaun have both shown they can play KPF, and Patton is looming in the wings as well. Would more beef fit ?
March 25th 2012 @ 2:57pm
Simmo said | March 25th 2012 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
that makes a lot of sense. GWS needs to guard against the circling vultures and locking down the most talented kids asap. It may mean overpaying them now but it’ll be easier to retain the ones you really want to build the team around. Compare that with paying the league’s highest income for a proven peformer, but who is after all, just one man.
It’s applying the business maxim of it being far more cost effective to retain existing customers than trying to get new ones (although we’re talking about staff rather than customers). How about “not putting all your eggs in one basket”.
March 26th 2012 @ 10:47am
Macca said | March 26th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Ian – Three possessions from 83% of game time and you are happy, Matty Lloyd was pretty emphatic in saying he isn’t in their best 22 and said that both Folau & Cameron struggled in the key positions and they should throw whatever they had at Cloke.
Also earlier in the year you tipped GWS to be competitive against the bracket of sides pushing for the finals, given the Swans are probably going to miss the finals shouldn’t they have been more competitve?
March 25th 2012 @ 6:21pm
GrantS said | March 25th 2012 @ 6:21pm | Report comment
I was very impressed with the GWS players and their skills. I was also pleased with the way Sheeds played Izzy in the ruck to help him improve his game.
I was not impressed by the way Mumford kept pushing him under the ball on the boundary throw ins. Folau is big and strong enough to handle opposing ruckmen so the ruck coaches need to put some work in with him to assure this does not happen in the future.
All in all a very impressive debut.
March 25th 2012 @ 10:01am
GrantS said | March 25th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Anyone wishing to pit their Toyota AFL Dream Team against mine then you are welcome to join my comp.
Code is 680384.
The more the merrier!
March 26th 2012 @ 8:44am
GrantS said | March 26th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
“Anyone wishing to pit their Toyota AFL Dream Team against mine then you are welcome to join my comp.
Code is 680384.
The more the merrier!”
Welcome Cameron, David and Ben !
Still room for plenty more.
March 25th 2012 @ 10:52am
brendan said | March 25th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Good result to be outscored by about 2 and a half goals a qtr with 17 kids isnt shabbyMohr at CHB impressed me as did Bugg.Coniglio is all class and Folau provided a contest which is the fundamental first rule for a key forward.Of the five experienced players Mcdonald wouldn’t be playing if it wasnt for the Giants nor probably would Cornes.So when you really analyse the side they had three players who would be regulars at other clubs Ward ,Davis and Palmer which even makes the performance more impressive.I think the coaching panel at the Giants- the most experienced in the Afl-will bring the kids along quicker than the Suns did.
March 25th 2012 @ 11:01am
Tom of Darwin said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
I think you would find the top ten drafted kids would also be playing across 8-9 teams as well.
March 25th 2012 @ 11:37am
brendan said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Thats true Tom but my point is in terms of established Afl players only 3 would be regulars at other clubs so there kids must be up to scatch.
March 25th 2012 @ 10:57am
Tom of Darwin said | March 25th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
I recall Adelaide’s first game in 1991, won by 86 points against reigning premier Hawthorn in a game everybody thought the crows would get flogged – and as intended by the VFL. Adelaide ended up winning 12 games for the season, made the finals in 1993 and won the premiership back to back 1997 – 98. That’s how to play footy. They didn’t get the pick of the crop, no benefits from the VFL like GWS and GC, and completely successful. West Coast did well also, winning their first premiership in 1991.
GC and GWS should be judged at this lofty standard. Even bloody Port has won (and lost) a premiership.
March 25th 2012 @ 11:16am
DanMan said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Ok then Tom, but you have picked only the good expansion examples – incidently west coast won in 92. Freo, Brisbane etc didn’t have as succesful starts as did west coast, adelaide as you say. There is a bigger picture to look at.
I think they did well all things considered – but please guys, its the first game only. . .
March 25th 2012 @ 12:20pm
Tom of Darwin said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Fair comment Dan Man, and the bigger picture is success over a year, 5 years and 10 years. Both new teams are tipped to do well long term with their enormous draft advantage and ‘free agent poaching’, but they are paying for this in blood and tears of continuous poor form for the first few years. These two models of expansions are completely unproven and only premierships from one of these two clubs in the next ten years will vindicate this model.
I was impressed with GWS, but also a little disappointed with Sydney. I thought the swans didn’t finish well and should have kicked another five goals at least. They looked sloppy at times. Take nothing away from a relatively good result for the giants, good luck to them over the season. Hopefully they can win a game, may be round 19 against port?
March 25th 2012 @ 11:26am
Lachlan said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Yes, but they did have all the best mature aged and youngsters from the SANFL, which was reguarded as the second best comp in Australia, close the VFL.
March 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm
amazonfan said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
“Even bloody Port?” Up until a year ago, they were a powerhouse. The extraordinary thing about Port is not that they’ve won a flag, but that they’ve only won one flag.
March 26th 2012 @ 11:54am
Tom of Darwin said | March 26th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Yeah sorry, can’t help my feelings for Port to come out sounding a little bias
March 25th 2012 @ 3:59pm
The_Wookie said | March 25th 2012 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
West Coast and Adelaide were both stuffed chock full of experienced WAFL, SANFL and VFL talent, at a time when the best WAFL and SANFL talent was comparable to anything the VFL had. That cannot be said of GWS and GC, partly because of theur focus of building towards a flag, rather than building for an immediate one.
March 25th 2012 @ 11:24am
Lachlan said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Played very well, if it wasn’t for the swans kicking away in the third, it could have been a lot closer.
They will win at least 2 or 3 games this year maybe 4, their hardball-winning, attacking, run off half back and defensive pressure will win them games. Also backed by superstar coaches and on-field coaches. Remembering Scully (no.1 draft pick in 2009), Brogan (premiership player in 2004), Power (premiership player in 2001, 2002, 2003) and Patton (no.1 Draft Pick last year)
March 25th 2012 @ 11:25am
gleeso said | March 25th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
I feel bad for the GWS kids. They would all have ambition to be amongst the best. Surely they would all prefer to be learning the finer art of AFL skills at the strong clubs amongst the strong players. Not dedicating their time to learning spoiling tactics at a club which will really spend its first two seasons avoiding hidings. Many promising careers will be lost due to this experiment. And they did not even have a say in it.
March 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm
The Cattery said | March 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
That’s incorrect – Coniglio could have opted for a cricketing career, but he has decided to go with an AFL career, understanding that meant going to GWS. Others opted to go across as 17 year olds rather than sit out and opt for the draft the following year, in fact, all the 18 year olds could have sat out the draft and tried their luck the following year.
Many of these kids will thrive on the challenge, will thrive on developing together, and will ultimately have the last laugh.
A few will be lost – a few are always lost.