Gold Coast Suns won’t rise for a while yet
By Vince Rugari, 3 Apr 2012 Vince Rugari is a Roar Expert
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Gold Coast Suns star Gary Ablett (Slattery Images)
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They say a watched pot never boils. In that case, the Gold Coast Suns will be hoping they fly straight under the radar in their sophomore year in the AFL.
Nobody expects the tourist strip side to ‘boil’ straight away and become the flag contenders they are bound to be. But they’d be wanting to warm up pretty quickly, because the 2012 campaign so far has not gone according to plan.
Following a NAB Cup campaign which coach Guy McKenna admitted was well below par, the Suns provided little resistance to pre-season premiers Adelaide in a 69-point loss at home on Saturday to start the real season.
After splashing out on a high-altitude training camp in Arizona over the summer, the club has focused on improving their in-game consistency – playing all four quarters without any costly lapses of concentration or application.
Gold Coast’s structure fell to pieces during Adelaide’s relentless first term raid and failed to recover. Gary Ablett said the team acted too slow in changing things up in midfield, and by the time they did the game was over.
But it was another line in the post-match press conference that caught my attention. McKenna was searching for a positive that came out of their round one defeat, and landed on this.
“If we finished 46 disposals down last year, I reckon a 69-point loss would probably have been a 119-point loss. That’s as positive a spin I could put on that,” he said. It was a throwaway line, but I was intrigued to see if that was actually true.
He was trying to show some evidence that the Suns have improved, even if their defeat had all the hallmarks of the routine spankings they were handed by teams last year. It just made sense at the time.
McKenna meant to say 44 disposals – the Crows had 408 to his side’s 362. But if they had played the same game last season, he argued the losing margin would have been somewhere in the three-digit range because they are a better side now than they were back then.
Was he onto something? Look back to Gold Coast’s last match against Adelaide – it was at the same venue in Round 22 last year, when the Crows won by 61 points.
The disposal stats did not go along with his hypothesis. Last year, the Crows had 433 disposals to their 373 – a difference of 60 disposals, more than on this past Saturday.
So was the losing margin greater? No. In fact, it was less. That suggests that, concurring with their disappointing pre-season, the improvement is not there yet.
The Suns are good, but green. Those traits that separate premiership sides from the also-rans – teamwork, understanding, endurance, discipline – take years to develop.
That is the reason why they lost to the Crows in the manner that they did. It’s why so many of those massive defeats occurred in 2011.
There is an anticipation that they will get better this year – and they will. But to do that, the cream of the young crop – the likes of Dion Prestia, Tom Lynch, Steven May, Brandon Matera, Josh Caddy, David Swallow and more – have to stand up immediately.
The Suns are a beacon of hope in the professional sporting graveyard of the Gold Coast, which is a fickle and impatient city. Once the locals start to ignore you it’s hard to get their attention back.
To keep it, the Gold Coast must start showing the reasons why fans should continue to pay money to watch a work in progress at Metricon Stadium.
It’s coming together – just a little slower than maybe the club themselves might have anticipated.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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April 3rd 2012 @ 6:14am
ManInBlack said | April 3rd 2012 @ 6:14am | Report comment
I always think of St Kilda, who had top draft picks in Riewoldt, Kosi and Goddard (plus Ball) to add to an established list with mature players (inc Harvey). And, it took the Saints how long to be in a position to contestfinals and then make a GF (and didn’t win, but, only just).
Gold Coast has predominantly a single tiered age group. The way they list manage over the next 5-10 years will be interesting, and their capacity to contest finals at any point during the first 5 years is to me somewhat doubtful. Within 8 years – perhaps – that will see the 18 yr olds hitting around 26.
For the folk of the Gold Coast – the interesting thing with the Suns is how much the ‘organic growth’ model will have established real roots. Perhaps – just perhaps – the real heartbeat of the S-E QLD region is yearning to NOT be regarded as glitzy and superficial. Perhaps – just perhaps – the Gold Coast region just wanted to grow something from seeds and feel proud of it???? (which is my hope and why I’m glad that North Melb didn’t get parachuted in).
April 3rd 2012 @ 8:01am
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Looking at how 14 teenagers took on the Swans in the opening round, more than what the Suns had in their team this time last year, I’m starting to wonder whether the Suns have the best young talent capable of challenging in five years or so.
Beyond David Swallow, 2010′s number one draft pick, I’m struggling to find genuine guns amongst the younger Suns players.
I look at 18 year old Clay Smith debuting for the bulldogs in a side that got smashed, and wonder if there is a Clay Smith amongst the Suns? I’m not sure I see him. Who will be supporting Swallow in the trenches in five years time?
April 3rd 2012 @ 8:32am
Vince Rugari said | April 3rd 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
This is the question, mate. We’re waiting and waiting but what if it never comes? The feeling up here is that the players just don’t get their hands dirty enough. And it needs to change NOW, because it will be even harder to reverse the longer they wait.
Although, full credit to young Seb Tape who lost three front teeth for his efforts on Saturday. That’s tough. But there’s not too many others.
April 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am
TomC said | April 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Bennell and Prestia seem to be coming along okay. I don’t think they’d be thrilled about the progress of their KPPs though.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:10pm
Nathan of Perth said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Seems like a shame because I’d love for Guy McKenna to do well.
April 3rd 2012 @ 8:29am
Chris said | April 3rd 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Um, the Suns are one season and one game into their plan. Hardly the time to start criticising them.
If were the Suns administration I would hope that at the end of this season, there would be significantly fewer blowouts than there were last year. THat would probably be an even higher priority than then number of wins.
Season three is when I would be looking to start to win a significant number of games.
April 3rd 2012 @ 9:32am
Australian Rules said | April 3rd 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
I agree Chris.
The Suns will take years to be good…not months.
They will endure the pain but I hope that the young players don’t “learn” how to lose…that’s the risk of such a young, inexperienced side…that they never learn how to win.
The local support will inevitably drop off and they’ll have to deal with that, but once they look like a finals chance, the GC will jump all over them. Long way to go though.
April 3rd 2012 @ 9:00am
Cameron Rose said | April 3rd 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
I agree that the Suns are a long way off. I was staggered to hear David King on AFL360 suggest that they could win 7-9 games this year, and there have been other experts express similar sentiments. If they win five games they should break out the champers, but I can see them only matching last year’s three wins.
I thought they showed a (very) little bit on the weekend to at least be competitive after a poor start, but in the rankings of disappointing teams for the round, they’d have to come in third behind Melbourne and St Kilda.
Vince makes a comment above that they don’t get their hands dirty enough, and this is true. If it continues to be the case, then Guy McKenna will be under severe pressure come seasons end.
April 3rd 2012 @ 10:10am
stabpass said | April 3rd 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Is Mckenna to much of a nice guy, maybe not ruthless enough, i dont know?.
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:10pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
He was a straight ahead player on the footy field, that’s for sure, but I’m just starting to wonder whether there are too many outside runners amongst the younger Suns players – when you get that mix wrong (and we have a few examples from the past decade) – there ain’t nothing the coaching staff can do to fix it in a hurry.
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:21pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
If all else fails, they can trade a couple to GWS, who appear to have the opposite problem
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:29pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
I agree.
We sort of touched on this pre-season, and others have mentioned it since, that the GWS teenagers appeared bigger and stronger than the Suns teenagers (Swallow aside, who came into round one last year as a physically mature 18 year old, 100% ready for AFL footy).
But contested footy is the name of the game – and as blokes like Brown, Ablett, Bock and Rischitelli drop off over the next 3 to 5 years, will there be many amongst the current crop of 19-20 year olds ready to step in seamlessley?
In fact, for the Suns, it shouldn’t be about stepping into the shoes of those four, but rather, developing a dozen of a similar vein – that’s the key question for me.
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:38pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Actually, another problem for the Suns, is that two mature players who are meant to be good users of the ball, and offer some run and carry, Brennan and Harbrow, have been caught out with some woeful decision making and execution – which ends up being a double whammy: insufficent hard ball gets coupled with poor use of the limited ball you’re getting.
April 3rd 2012 @ 1:07pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 3rd 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
GWS/Suns will be a very good game.
Regrettably for the Suns, GWS had already looted “their” draft, with Cameron, Hampton, Shiel not being in it.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:47pm
Norm said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
Compared to Worsfold, McKenna was a nice guy. But that’s Ike comparing St Michael to Satan!
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:02pm
brendan said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Give the Suns at least six games before judging them.Adelaide did win the pre – season competition so are in good form and as you say Vince the losing margin was about the same as last year.Perhaps its time to put Ablett in the forward line and see if he can snag 6-8 goals a game.
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:11pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Re Ablett – that would be a lot of drive out of the middle that the suns would miss – anyway – he’s still dobbing them from outside 50m!
April 3rd 2012 @ 12:33pm
brendan said | April 3rd 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Yeah i know that he got 42 possessions kicked a few from outside 50 and there still getting hammerred.His father’s move to full forward was after he played about 8 seasons whilst junior isnt a full-forward i have no doubt he is capable of being the best small forward in the game.The Suns haven’t IMO generated much interest perhaps putting the onus on McKenzie ,Swallow etch to be genuine gun onballers pumping it down to Dixon and co with Ablett dominating on a flank could make them a very competitive unit.
April 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm
Vince Rugari said | April 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Taking Gablett out of the midfield would be suicide. He is running everything for them in the guts, without his leadership or ability they’d get absolutely blown away.
I would usually wait a few games to judge them, but I’ve been watching them closely for over two years now on the ground on the GC. The talk was that their trip to Arizona would give them the tools to stop playing two quarters per game and turn that into three or four. It hasn’t happened yet. They lost to a second-string Geelong side in the NAB Cup, became the first team to lose to GWS, and now showed zero improvement against the Crows. That’s below expectations.
April 3rd 2012 @ 1:16pm
brendan said | April 3rd 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Big call Vince .We may get the chance to find out if your right if Ablett misses a few games.
April 3rd 2012 @ 1:32pm
TW said | April 3rd 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
The Suns NEAFL team thrashed the Southport Sharks by 66 points on the weekend.
Three senior players in that squad stood out -Stanley, McQualter and Coad. Perhaps they may get a game in the firsts this week.
The fine art of managing the two squads and getting it right will be paramount for Bluey McKenna for his long term future.
I thought Coad was a good player.
April 3rd 2012 @ 3:37pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
Interesting to see that Labrador gave Ainslie a 14 goal touch up in the NEAFL (cross-conference game), quite a surprising result. I heard Labrador did well against Broadbeach the previous week. 20 years ago, I’m confident that no QAFL club would have got anywhere near Ainslie, so there has definitly been a strengthening of Queensland footy over that time.
April 3rd 2012 @ 4:02pm
stabpass said | April 3rd 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
I would have to agree, although ACT footy may have gone backwards, or more than likely stayed still, the Cowboy Neale Ainslie ACTAFL era around the early to mid 1980′s was possibly the strongest era.
Sydney football has very much gone forward, but pound for pound, the ACTAFL is still probably the strongest in NSW discounting the NSW Murray and Ovens league teams.
Their is some good coin still on offer in the ACT, Ainslie will start putting their hands in their very deep pockets to match these teams from here on in.
QLD footy is on the up and up.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:25pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
A couple of Sydney clubs have joined the NEAFL Eastern conference, one lost to Belconnen by four goals on the weekend, which I think is a decent result.
April 3rd 2012 @ 4:44pm
Jaceman said | April 3rd 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
Did Sydney Uni, the new NEAFL club get flogged by another Sydney club or was that bad reporting…
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:49pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
Jaceman,
It was bad reporting. This is what Le Bron Jim posted over at BigFooty.
“Belco ran out winners 18 17 125 defeated Uni 14 15 99
Impressive performance by Uni’s were in the game right until the last few minutes. Watched the game via live streaming on the internet which was fantastic. Was handy having the commentators know each players name and a few facts about some. There was a slight hiccup with the camera for a minute or so late in the game but overall made for good viewing.”
April 3rd 2012 @ 4:07pm
Prince Imperial said | April 3rd 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
The reality is that some drafts are not that good especially at the top. If 2010 is any way near equivalent to 2003 for example its not automatic that GC will win a couple of premierships as many expect. The top 12 picks in 2003 were Cooney, Walker, Sylvia, Ray, McLean, Bradley, Tenace, Clarke, Trotter, Dunn, Waters and Murphy. A pretty ordinary bunch overall (with apologies to Cooney whose been affected by knee problems and Walker).
Too early to call for the GCers of 2010 though. They would certainly want to be improving this year especially with Ablett at his peak.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:50pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
Prince Imperial,
The other point is that a number of very very good players – Cameron, Shiel, Hampton – never made it into the 2010 draft …
April 3rd 2012 @ 4:37pm
Republican said | April 3rd 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
I don’t know that ACT footy has necessarily gone backwards. Qld footy has certainly gone forwards and they have a far larger demographic to work with than we do.
There is a healthy representation of ACT products throughout the elite AFL. I also recall Ainslie and other ACTAFL clubs struggling v the Qld ones early in the season last year, peaking well at the pointy end of the season, Ainslie playing off v the NT for the ultimate NEAF GF honours in the Alice.
While the ACT have no elite AFL presence of any great substance, the code remains as strongly supported at the grass roots and in it’s general following, as any of the competing codes represented here in the capital.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:50pm
stabpass said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
The amount of ACT players in the AFL has gone backwards not forwards, cant think of many ATM, maybe 3, and i can’t remember their names …… Davis (arguably) another GWS player from Eastlake, A Western Bulldogs player ( Tutt ?), a Swans player ?
Not doing very well, am I, a far cry from Shaun Smith, Hird, Allsion, Blumfield, Bolton etc, and a generation earlier, Barich, Conlan, Jezza, etc.
April 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm
stabpass said | April 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Forgot Robbie Neil, Troy Gray etc from around 15 – 20 years ago.
April 3rd 2012 @ 10:52pm
The Cattery said | April 3rd 2012 @ 10:52pm | Report comment
stabpass
the lad from Eastlake is Josh Bruce, 196cm tall, the first to be signed from their U18s, he is also an elite rower, meaning he’d have the engine and know all about hard work (rowing as a sporting discipline is one of the very toughest).
GWS also have Jacob Townsend from Leeton, but in truth, unlike the Suns, they have very few players from within 500km of their home base.
Jason Tutt is the boy from Canberra playing with the dogs, he too has an interesting history, having represented Australia at junior level at softball.
Adelaide have some interesting recruits: Aidan Riley from Wollongong; Sam Martyn from the Rams and Benjamin Dowdell from Nowra.
Ex-eagle, Brent Staker, now with Brisbane, came from the Rams.
Carlton has a couple of interesting rookies from NSW: Blake Bray from Western suburbs magpies and Matthew Lodge from Byron Bay (nicknamed the Prime Minister).
The PIes have quite a few from NSW/Qld/NT, including Trent Stubbs from the Rams.
Over at Happy hawthorn, there’s Matthew Suckling from Wagga, Luke Breust and Will Langford (son of former champ) from the Rams.
The Saints have two players on their list from Pennant HIlls, one a rookie, the other a champ, and Adam Schneider came from the Rams.
The Swans have six players from the Rams, including 1st round debutant from Wagga, Harry Cunningham (let go by GWS), and co-captain Jarrad McVeigh.
April 4th 2012 @ 7:21am
ManInBlack said | April 4th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
alas, for a little while in the ’90s I thought North Melbourne could’ve found a great little niche, playing in Canberra with the Murray Kangaroos VFL side; paralleled with Fruity Allison from the ACT, Carey from Wagga, Horse from Corowa, and we’d had Shaun Smith from ACT and Fridge Roberts from Sydney. There was enough of a ‘connection’ there to really milk.
Oh well.
April 3rd 2012 @ 6:02pm
Republican said | April 3rd 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
Canberra’s Eastlake accounted for Sydney Uni easily and despite the latters potential and pre disposition to buy the cream players as is the case with their Union side.
Many of the NSWRU clubs take great issue with Uni because they do poach on a large scale.
It remains to be seen if this will be the case with the Uni NEAFL club.