Folau finding AFL tougher than expected
By Rob Forsaith, 13 Apr 2012
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Israel Folau admits his cross-code venture has been harder than expected, but good mate Nic Naitanui is confident the former NRL star will succeed in the AFL.
Folau’s steep learning curve has become all the steeper in the past three weeks, with Greater Western Sydney beaten by a combined tally of 192 points in their first two AFL matches.
The 23-year-old, who first signed with the AFL’s expansion franchise in 2010 and played in the NEAFL last year, conceded on Thursday his transition from Steeden to Sherrin hasn’t been as facile as planned.
“It has been (harder than I expected). I thought it’d be a little bit smoother than how it’s been so far,” Folau said.
“It’s been tough so far. We’ve just got to stick together as a team and go for the year.”
Folau’s problems have not been unique to him.
GWS’s forward line has been largely starved of the ball, and the whole side would have been at a “pretty low point” after the 129-point loss to North Melbourne.
But while most of his teammates are having their first taste of professional sport, Folau’s lows are coming after unthinkable highs.
His debut NRL season in 2007 was arguably comparatively better than Joel Selwood’s with Geelong – at age 17 he won a premiership, scored a record number of tries and was crowned the Dally M Rookie of the Year.
He then became the youngest ever to play rugby league for Australia and represent Queensland in the code’s showpiece State of Origin series.
“I’ve been lucky enough to be in a good winning culture throughout my career and now I’m experiencing something on the other side,” Folau said.
“I think for me it’s just good in a way … it’s good for me as an athlete to experience what we did last week.
“You sort of bring yourself back down … and it’s going to be like this – a bit of a rough patch for us – throughout the year, so you just have to stick together as a team.”
Therein lies one of the biggest challenges for the super-competitive Folau, coming to terms with the likely one-sided nature of GWS’s clashes.
“I’ve played rugby league and it’s been tough – but I’ve got to say AFL’s been a little bit tougher mentally,” he said.
“Especially for me, coming to a new side where we’ve got a lot of young boys.
“It’s been hard mentally and that’s probably the thing I have to cope with throughout the year.
“…There’s a bit of improvement I can see, but it’s going to take time.”
For all his struggles, Folau has an ardent supporter in Naitanui.
“I can see where he’s at – I was there a few years ago,” said the West Coast ruckman who struck up a friendship with Folau when the pair were promoting the code in the South Pacific.
“He’s probably ahead of me at this stage in terms of my first few games … and 2010 (when the Eagles finished last) was probably the worst thing I’ve ever experienced.
“You can turn it around pretty quickly. We’re developing pretty fast over here so I don’t see why the Giants can’t do it as well.”
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April 13th 2012 @ 6:36am
ManInBlack said | April 13th 2012 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Izzie does nice little things – his struggle currently is to do more of them.
His fitness still isn’t up to speed. But, a full season plus another pre-season will help for 2013.
On Sunday, the windy conditions didn’t help – nor the poor delivery into the forward line in the first half where the Giants just got carved up.
April 14th 2012 @ 12:37am
Bludger said | April 14th 2012 @ 12:37am | Report comment
Maybe, just maybe if he stuck at it for 3 or 4 seasons and noone lost patience he could find somekind of useful role. Problem is, by then he will be holding the team back.
April 13th 2012 @ 9:13am
Strummer Jones said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
As an aside, GWS really are going backwards. Check out the time for the “Curtain Raiser” for Sunday’s game…
Gates: 11.00am
Main game: 1.10pm
End of game: 3.40 – 3.50pm
Kick to kick: 15 minutes
Curtain raiser: 4.15pm (approx.)
Israel (the person) is probably just as good as Jessie White at this moment. Not a bad effort after just 2 games!
April 13th 2012 @ 10:16am
The Cattery said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
I tell you what Strummer, you’ve got some eagle eyes there, you’ve been on fire this morning!
April 13th 2012 @ 11:08am
Strummer Jones said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
I just sent an email to the Eagles informing them that the Curtain Raiser is on at 4.15pm. That should get them thinking they don’t need to turn up to the ground until say 6pm. Imagine the call to the Rooty Hill RSL motel rooms at quarter time “Where the f*** are you guys”.
April 13th 2012 @ 12:29pm
The Cattery said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Would the Giants have a chance of winning if the Eagles turned up to play half way through the last quarter? Might be touch and go!!
April 13th 2012 @ 12:57pm
Nathan of Perth said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Old story about two country teams… There was a rule that if one team didn’t turn up on time the other team got to start without them. Well, this day the away team had bus trouble and were running late and were all thinking oh no, they’ll kick a tonne before we get there! But they rock up and look around in confusion as 18 morose home players stood around and a goal ump waited with the ball. When asked what was going on the home captain explained that their first kick on goal was shanked and they had been waiting 15 minutes for someone to take the kick-in.
April 13th 2012 @ 1:05pm
The Cattery said | April 13th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
lol – that’s quite a funny story!!
April 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm
The Cattery said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Izzy would get a bit of the ball with no opponent on him.
April 13th 2012 @ 1:05pm
Cameron said | April 13th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Cheeky Cat, very cheeky.
However, I actually think how Izzy is going right now is more an embarressment to those rugby league commentators such as Terry Kennedy that said how his defection to the AFL reflects how any rugby league player can make it easily in the AFL.
In contrast, the comments made by Paul Vautin when Izzy was recruited, where he thought there would not be a flood of RL players joining the AFL beacause he thought that most RL players would not have the skills to play Australian Rules make Fatty look pretty wise right now.
April 13th 2012 @ 2:14pm
Cman said | April 13th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
He was always going to fail.
Izzy will be out of the AFL before next season.
Michael Jordan was a Superstar NBL player and a very average Baseball player and Jordon played Baseball in his younger years, Izzy had nothing.
It’s so sad, he could of been a super star in League and Union but will only be remembered as a joke.
All for the love of money.
Hope you’re happy AD!!
April 13th 2012 @ 2:19pm
The Cattery said | April 13th 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
I don’t wish to draw conclusions on one sport or the other, because Izzy is giving it a go (like Hunt), and they’ve both been thrown into the deep end with minimal support or time to learn the game.
The problem with both players, as evidenced by their stats from the weekend (SC scores in the 20s), is that they both lack that hard running ability, to just go and go and go.
Their hands are very good, and when they catch someone, they nail them good and proper, but they are basically chasing the ball around and not really getting anywhere near it – a lot of effort for minimal return. Developing some smarts will allow them to become more efficient, no problems there, but the question down the track will be: do they have the hard running capacity to get to the ball before their opponent on a consistent basis for 2 hours?
April 13th 2012 @ 2:59pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 13th 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Cman,
Michael Jordan couldnt hit a curveball when he was sitting out his gambling suspension.
Izzy can do all the things a KPP is supposed to do, he just doesnt know when to do them. Personally, I would rotate him between the ruck and true full forward, and when he’s at full forward put him on strict instructions to not go more than 20 meteres from the goalposts.
But I still wouldnt trade him straight up for Jack Watts or for Jesse White.
April 13th 2012 @ 3:04pm
seanmaguire said | April 13th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
Cattery neither Folou or Hunt have a clue what they’re doing. They haven’t been playing the game since they were kids and don’t have the intuition other players have. They’ll never be up to it as players.
And since when were Natinui and Folou friends? I think you’ve been drinking the AFL koolaid after they both appeared together and shock horror there was a photographer to record the momentous occasion.
April 13th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Redb said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
Way too early to write him off. He is basicially in the early days of year 2 of 4.
The step up to AFL level takes time for kids who have played the game their whole life. His body is at least mature, just needs more time in the field.
We will see improvement against lesser sides. Folau has the leap and tackling ability from the outset. He is working out the ruck position.
His biggest problem is lack of clean ball from the midfield putting the sherrin laces out onto his chest. The GWS kids hack the ball into inside 50 making it very hard for any forward.
Dare I say it, but put Folau at full forward for Geelong and he would all of sudden be getting a lot more possessions.
April 13th 2012 @ 5:16pm
seanmaguire said | April 13th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
Well I’m writing him off. it’s not a question of whether he can jump or catch, it’s putting himself in a position to do it. We’ve seen it before with league players going to union, they have the skills but they just have no idea where to put themselves and just don’t get the tactics like someone who has played all their lives. And Sailor and Lote weren’t bad union players, they just weren’t top class players like they were in league. It’s all well and good telling Folou what to do, but he has to do it instinctively rather than thinking about what he has to do. And I don’t think he’ll ever be able to do that.
April 13th 2012 @ 9:20pm
ManInBlack said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:20pm | Report comment
as with draftees – and Irishmen – generally, the need is to get 50 games under their belt as quickly as possible. Izzie is only just started down that pathway.
but – agreed that both he and Hunt do some nice stuff when they are able to be in position – - but, A. it’s harder to read the play when you’re side is getting thumped, and B. it’s harder to run and run and run when most of it is chasing tail.
April 15th 2012 @ 12:28am
Phelpsu said | April 15th 2012 @ 12:28am | Report comment
Maybe a tad premature on hunt there catty
April 15th 2012 @ 10:09am
The Cattery said | April 15th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
what was premature?
April 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm
mds1970 said | April 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
The NEAFL game had originally been scheduled as a curtain-raiser starting at 9:45am; but that would have required the Canberra-based opponents to have got up at some ungodly hour of the night to drive up. So they re-scheduled it to after the main game.
April 13th 2012 @ 3:22pm
TW said | April 13th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
Izzy may be struggling a bit on the field for GWS BUT the author of this media article is very very pleased that GWS have set up camp in his area. He also likes the Soccer football entrance with a new club.
His comments on the Rugby League set up in his area are quite sensible for a change – It does not say what football code he follows though.
His figures as quoted – A 155% increase in AFL participation since 2006 with another 10% increase last year.(10% should be achievable from now on)
He says his district is the Diabetes capital of Australia – Not a good outlook for the future.
Who is the author – Chris Bowen – Federal Labour member for McMahon and Minister for Immigration whose electorate encompasses a fair bit of GWS. Link below for the Electorate and its make up.
Have two links
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/footy-clubs-a-big-win-for-families-in-nations-diabetes-capital/story-e6frgd0x-1226324258127
http://www.aec.gov.au/profiles/nsw/mcmahon.htm
This post is an attempt to balance out the loud and noisy anti- GWS campaign from some AFL supporters on this forum
April 13th 2012 @ 4:49pm
Republican said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
‘Izzy does nice little things’ – well so would a blind folded Japanese Sumo wrestler.
As nice as they may appear, they would be unrelated to the skill set required for our game, especially at the elite level and are far from proportional to the salary this fella has commanded at the expense of actual Australian Footy grass roots products, of which and contrary to the globalist persuasion – exist in abundance.
Izzy is laughing all the way to the bank – to be sure!
April 13th 2012 @ 5:48pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 13th 2012 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
Republican,
You havent paid much attention to the development of forward play recently, have you ?
April 13th 2012 @ 4:51pm
Republican said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
The Eagles will have been briefed by the league, to go slow v GWS
April 13th 2012 @ 6:10pm
ChrisH said | April 13th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
Seanmaguire, I really don’t agree re Hunts performance at this point. His first game was genuinely solid. Got more of the footy than about half his team mates and didn’t make a single mistake (kicked accurately and didn’t give any stupid frees away). Very respectable. Second game was quiet but nothing outstanding from the ret of his team
April 15th 2012 @ 10:04am
Phelpsy said | April 15th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Well he did very well last night – one of the best one ground I would say.
April 13th 2012 @ 7:18pm
seanmaguire said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:18pm | Report comment
Chris Hunt looks like he is going to adapt a lot better than Folou. But will he ever be a star? I don’t think so. Like Republican says Hunt and Folou are constantly scutinised to see if they are actually doing something good and anything remotely competent will be seen as a positive. But they wouldn’t be in the team if it was selected on merit.
April 13th 2012 @ 7:25pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:25pm | Report comment
Seanmaguire,
You might think that. Kevin Sheedy disagrees.
But if you pay attention to Republican, like him you probably think the State leagues have a bunch of 6’4, strong-bodied, contact-loving potential key position forwards with both a hundred kilos of muscles and burst off ten meters – ie like him, you’re delusional.
Folau is the perfect physical specimen for a KPF. He took five big grabs against the Collingwood reserves. He’;s kicked bags in the twos last year.
If you dont play him, you ought to be running the Melbourne Football Club.
April 13th 2012 @ 8:17pm
ChrisH said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:17pm | Report comment
No, I wouldn’t back Hunt to be a star, but I do think that he’s been better than quite a few other blokes in his team so far, both from looking at his game and a superficial glance at the stats sheet. So whilst it seems a little counterintuitive, unless there’s a few other blokes that also don’t deserve to be in the side based on merit, then Hunt deserves his position.
April 14th 2012 @ 9:06pm
dan said | April 14th 2012 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Hunt may not be a star but Essendon are making him look rather shiny at the moment.
April 15th 2012 @ 10:34am
Ian Whitchurch said | April 15th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Dan,
Love your work, man.
April 13th 2012 @ 7:38pm
seanmaguire said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:38pm | Report comment
According to wiki he kicked 7 in 6 games. Hardly bags. Kevin Sheedy has to play him in the team, there’s no point having your publicity stunt playing in reserves. Besides which, Sheedy is as mad as a sack of badgers.
Anyway I just can’t see how he can learn all the nuances of the game in a few years. Mike Pyke is the only other one I can think of apart from Hunt and Folou but all he has to do is jump. Would you want Folou playing for your team Ian?
April 14th 2012 @ 7:19am
Ian Whitchurch said | April 14th 2012 @ 7:19am | Report comment
Seanmaguire,
If you’re relying on wikipedia, then your opinions are based on nothing.
Go look at this tape
It’s the twos. The real thing is faster, tougher and so on. I know. But theres six NEAFL goals, right there.
I do want Folau playing in my team – to be precise, I want him playing at true full forward, and rotating into the ruck when Giles needs a break (and he needs a couple of touches of the footy). Cameron is a much better CHF option for now, although he might end up at CHB when Patton is back.
And I expect he’ll come good in his third year, and this is year two.
April 14th 2012 @ 7:43pm
ManInBlack said | April 14th 2012 @ 7:43pm | Report comment
Folau played well and truly more than 6 games, and kicked 30+ goals for the season – so, yep, don’t go relying on wiki pages!!!
Mike Pyke sadly started getting dogged by injury just once he was looking to have settled – his rucking in Rnd 22 2010 and the first final was pretty good and last year, the game he got injured he actually was looking the most impressive that he had when pushing forward. The interruption to his career is really, really unfortunate. So, it took him a couple of years. Izzie showed enough last year that he SHOULD improve as this season progresses. There is a MASSIVE step up in pace and he needs to train his instincts at that level.
April 15th 2012 @ 10:32am
Ian Whitchurch said | April 15th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Cattery,
This was premature
“The problem with both players, as evidenced by their stats from the weekend (SC scores in the 20s), is that they both lack that hard running ability, to just go and go and go”
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/newsId/133109/Default.aspx
5. The codes collide
It was 10 minutes into the final quarter and Angus Monfries was about to meet Karmichael Hunt. Monfries was haring after an escaping Suns defender when Hunt decided to intervene. The ex-rugby league international had already made his not inconsiderable presence known in what was becoming his best game of Australian Rules. But he upped the ante with Monfries, collecting the small Bomber with a classic (and legal) shirt-front that left him prostrate on the ground and in sympathy with several NSW Blues of years gone by.
April 15th 2012 @ 11:23am
The Cattery said | April 15th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Ian
they still do lack that hard running capacity, I had no issue above with Hunt’s physicality or ball handling, both very good.