2012 ATC Australian Derby: Live race updates, blog
The $1.5m ATC Australian Derby (2400 metres) run at Royal Randwick is the most prestigious three-year old race in Australia. Join us for live race updates and a blog of the 2012 Derby in the lead-up to the 3:35pm jump time.
Along with the Cox Plate, the Australian Derby has the greatest honour roll of any race in Australia.
It is reserved for the greats – Gloaming (1918), Heroic (1924), Phar Lap (1929), Peter Pan (1932), Tulloch (1957), Skyline (1958), Dulcify (1979), Kingston Town (1980), Bonecrusher (1986), Beau Zam (1988), Mohogany (1994) and Octagonal (1996) are all winners of this race.
The Derby is probably most famous for being the race that kick-started the career of Phar Lap. There wasn’t much fanfare about Phar Lap heading into the spring of 1929 but consecutive wins in the Rosehill Guineas and Australian Derby signalled the beginning of a legendary career.
Prior to 1979 the Australian Derby was run before Flemington’s VRC Derby each spring. Now, the Australian Derby is one of the last Derbies to be run each season in Australia.
Similar to American racing, each Australian state runs a Derby and the general consensus is the Australian Derby (much like the Kentucky Derby in the States) is the greatest of the six.
Did you know…? There are actually two Derbies being run today. In Perth (where they have a habit of pronouncing “Derby” phonetically), the running of the WATC Derby is set to begin at 4:15pm local time.
1. Sangster
Sangster won the VRC Derby (2500m) in the spring but he hasn’t brought that same form into this preparation. Throughout the autumn racing in Melbourne and Sydney this year, the Melbourne spring three-year old form has been exposed time and time again. The likes of Helmet, Manawanui and Sangster haven’t returned in the same vein.
He finished 16th in the Rosehill Guineas. Prior to that his form was fair. We know he can run the distance but I prefer others.
2. Laser Hawk
Laser Hawk will start close to favourite for the Derby. He is the Group I Rosehill Guineas winner.
There are big wraps on this horse, who is a half-brother to multiple Group-I winner Desert War. He has only been beaten once and that was when placing in the Group I Randwick Guineas four weeks back. In the mould of a typical Gai Waterhouse stayer, he likes to race on the speed and is very hard to get past.
He was given a great run in the Rosehill Guineas but the 11 gate will make it a little bit tougher for in-form jockey Nash Rawiller.
Everyone (trainer, jockey, and media) say this bloke is certain to run a strong 2400 metres but the form I’ve done on his breeding doesn’t inspire confidence. Of all the other children of mother High Heels, Desert War (who shares the same sire as triple Melbourne Cup-winner Makybe Diva) is the only one to have won at 2000 metres (and no further).
The sire of Laser Hawk is Artie Schiller – a champion miler in the US.
For a horse that is certain to run 2400 metres without having even seen it, I’m sceptical.
Huge chance nonetheless.
3. Strike The Stars
This horse has a bigger fan base than Collingwood. You won’t have to go far to find someone prepared to tell you why he was “really good” or “really unlucky” in any one of his last five or six starts.
His career-best run is a three-length second to Mosheen in the Australian Guineas in Melbourne last month.
It was Mosheen’s biggest win this preparation. Since then many have got closer than that to Mosheen so that result can be a bit flattering.
He was seventh in the Randwick Guineas and fifth in the Rosehill Guineas.
He’s got a bit of a distance query.
Not for me but as always he’ll have supporters.
4. Darci Be Good
He finished second in October’s Spring Champion behind Doctor Doom but like much of the early three-year form, it looks inferior to what he meets here.
His run when sixth in the Randwick Guineas was very good. Then he was poor in the Rosehill Guineas and fair in the secondary Tulloch.
Not sure. He’s not bred to win a Derby. Sire Darci Brahma was best at 1400 metres to a mile and dam You Can’t Say That was an average miler in New Zealand.
Genuine roughie.
5. Sabrage
This guy is an interesting runner. Although I don’t like him that much today, you can make a case for him.
He finished third in last Spring’s VRC Derby so there is no distance problem.
He returned first up in good order before finishing a sixth in the Australian Guineas at 1600. Next, he came from the back to run fourth in a second-tier Melbourne lead-up for this before running on okay in the Rosehill Guineas at 2000 when finishing 11th behind Laser Hawk.
Only if you’re brave but he’s not the worst 60/1 pop ever to be taken on trust.
6. Ocean Park
Liked this bloke but he’s been scratched this morning
7. Rekindled Alliance
This guy had been building to a win. He’s a dry-tracker so his early runs this prep on the wet had me getting a bit excited.
Surely last week was going to be his day. He finally got to 2000 metres, struck a dry track and landed in a winnable race.
When he took the lead at the 200, I thought he was home. He got run down by Polish Knight who ended up winning with authority.
He had to sustain a bit of a long run last time but I can’t tip him today. He had his chance last week.
I have a feeling 2000 metres is his maximum distance too.
8. Polish Knight
I really like this bloke and he’s good odds. We’ll start with the negatives.
The first negative is this is his first prep. You don’t often see horses win a Derby in their first prep because usually it entails rising in distance and class from about 1200 to 2400 and from maiden to Group-I level in five or six runs without any other residual fitness or experience to draw upon.
This horse has an air of timing about him. He’s the last horse to appear in the Derby picture but he could well win the race.
Any rain would get me confident. He won his maiden at Ballarat (two days before the Australian Guineas) by a whopping six lengths on a heavy track.
Then he finished second at Sale coming from last. Is there a track in Australia that undoes backmarkers better than Sale? He followed that up with a luckless ninth in a third-tier race at Caulfield.
His latest start was in last week’s Tulloch at Rosehill. His win was dominant, nearing awesome. It was classy. It was an outstanding Derby trial.
He came from last in fast-run race. He only got going at the 200 (indicating the step-up from 2000 to 2400 will suit), rounded up Rekindled Alliance in a stride and powered away to a big win.
The Hawkes team like to keep a lid on things usually but they’ve been keen to tell anyone that asks about the quality of this horse.
I like him a lot.
9. Hoylonny
This horse is by Lonhro and out of Roedean! In lay terms it means he isn’t bred to win a Derby but he races like 2400 metres is going to suit.
Outside of those who fought out the Rosehill Guineas finish, I thought this guy was easily the best run in that race. His last 200 was outstanding. He passed about 10 horses in that period.
He gets to 2400 and will find himself a mile off the leaders but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him run a place. He’s bit of a poser so don’t get too excited if he looms up at the 200.
He’ll go well.
10. Satirical Boy
The second horse engaged for the in-form Waterhouse stable. He came into last week’s Tulloch in good form having won his previous two before coming from ninth to finish 3.5 lengths from winner Polish Knight when sixth.
He’s up in grade a mile. I don’t like him but Waterhouse is getting broomsticks to fire at the moment.
11. Ethiopia
Ethiopia is easily the most interesting runner in the race. I wonder if owners named him Ethiopia with the expectation that he would be a great stayer because, as we know, Ethiopia is the best producer of long-distance runners in the world. And the horse Ethiopia is the biggest stayer going around.
When ability was being given out to foals, there was a stuff-up. Instead of getting a bit of stamina and a bit of speed, he got two doses of stamina and they forgot about the speed.
Ethiopia is a maiden but as the horse would happily explain, because all those races were under 2000 metres, he was only getting warm until very late in the piece.
All three of his runs have been good. His last start was the Alistair Clark at Moonee Valley. The form out of that race is atrocious for a Group II race – everyone who’s run since has failed but he was clearly the best run in the race. He came from last and was the only horse to challenge from back. His effort to run second was outstanding.
He hasn’t run in the month since. He missed a start in the Rosehill Guineas because of his low rating and owners decided against running him in BMW against older horses last week.
Usually running a stayer fresh is a bad idea because you are encouraging their speed to come to the fore (often at the expense of stamina). But this bloke doesn’t have much speed so I think he’ll go well fresh.
Not sure about the Melbourne form but inclined to think this bloke can win.
12. On Every Level
This guy lacks class. His only win was in a Newcastle maiden. He was well beaten last week in the Tulloch. 2400 may well suit but I’m not sure that he’s up to Group I level.
Top six chance.
13. Silent Achiever
She was backed in favouritism with some bookies yesterday. If she isn’t the punter’s elect she’ll be the second favourite. She comes over from New Zealand and has her ninth run today. She has never had a spell. This is a massive negative.
The other negative is that she’s a filly taking on the boys. But Shamrocker, a filly, won this race last year and Silent Achiever beat the boys in a comprehensive rout in the New Zealand Derby in early March. Still, she must beat the opposite sex to win this.
She’s had one run in Australia and finished a close third to Laser Hawk in the Rosehill Guineas. In my opinion, Ocean Park was better than her that day. But, I thought Silent Achiever and Laser Hawk were the second-best runs in the race.
She’s drawn wide and will get back but the distance is no problem. I wonder if she’s had enough this prep. If she hasn’t she’ll figure.
I’m not massively keen on her but I think she’s a big chance.
Tips
It’s an interesting Derby with the form coming through two races predominately. I’m sticking with the Tulloch form which I concede is fraught with danger.
1. Polish Knight
2. Laser Hawk
3. Ethiopia
4. Silent Achiever
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3:55pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:55pm | Report comment
Thanks for joining us for Australian Derby Day. That concludes our coverage.
Fantastic racing today. Absolutely from the top draw.
To quickly recap: Master Of Design came from last to win the TJ Smith in a photo from Rain Affair, Pierro blitzed All Too Hard in the Sires, Atlantic Jewel won first-up with consummate ease after racing wide, back and without cover and finally Ethiopia has come from last to win the Derby from the gallant Polish Knight in a close photo.
We’ve had some outstanding racing today from Royal Randwick. I hope you backed a winner and if you didn’t have a bet well I’m sure you would’ve enjoyed the racing.
Be sure to join us again.
3:51pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:51pm | Report comment
So Ethiopia breaks the duck in the Derby!
He wins in the last bounds from Polish Knight (who missed the start a tad) with the favourite Laser Hawk third.
Pat Carey and Rhy McLeod get the job done.
It’s a bit of a dirty day for the Hawkes camp. Well beaten in the Sires with All Too Hard and nutted out of the Derby with Polish Knight.
3:44pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:44pm | Report comment
Rhys McLeod is the winning jockey.
Wow! Well done Rhys. He’s been battling away at the country, provincial meetings for as long as I can remember. Maybe he’s landed on his “breakthrough”
3:42pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:42pm | Report comment
Well, I’m giving you the nod Justin. That was a great pick on Ethiopia and he really stormed down the outside. The Roar’s racing blogs deliver !
3:45pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:45pm | Report comment
Nice words T but I badly wanted Polish to win. I backed him eachway (skewed to place) but I’m up there in the Star Stable and didn’t have Ethiopia and now probs can’t win
3:54pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:54pm | Report comment
Not sure if many would’ve have Ethiopia in their star stable… but Polish got the place, at least.
3:56pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:56pm | Report comment
Yeah true but I needed to make up a bit of ground.
Always happy to tip Roarers into a winner. I hope I helped a few. I don’t often go as well as that so I hope someone cashed in!
3:42pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:42pm | Report comment
Trainer Pat Carey says there’s a lot of comparisons with late BMW winner Cedarberg
“He could be special…He’s a classic stayer in the making”
3:46pm
Tim said | 3:46pm | Report comment
Its good to see a derby where the two best stayers fought out the finish
3:47pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:47pm | Report comment
Yeah spot on. Good staying race set up by Sangster. Best horses in finish.
3:41pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:41pm | Report comment
Strike The Stars fourth.
Rekindled Alliance fifth.
3:40pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:40pm | Report comment
Polish Knight took the lead at the furlong pole.
Ethiopia comes down the arches and gets up in the last stride.
3:40pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:40pm | Report comment
Ethiopia has stormed home from last.
Polish Knight pinched runs and came down what is now probably the worst parts.
Laser Hawk took his time to wind up. Takes third.
SA never looked likely.
3:39pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:39pm | Report comment
Ethiopia or Polish KNight.
Ethiopia wins the Derby from last.
Polish Knight second.
Laser Hawk third.
3:38pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:38pm | Report comment
Sangster goes for home at turn. Here come the runs.
3:37pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:37pm | Report comment
Laser Hawk gets cover now.
Sabrage around them
Sangster still leads.
True speed set here.
Polish Knight back.
SA last fence.
3:37pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:37pm | Report comment
Polish knight a bit slow, goes back like last week.
Sangster leads. Laser Hawk to position outside lead. SA the fence and back. Polish KNight midfield the fence.
Ethiopia last.
Strike the Stars behind the leader.
Hoylonny midfield.
1200 to go.
3:36pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:36pm | Report comment
Just about all in.
Ready now and racing.
3:35pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:35pm | Report comment
Horses milling around behind the barriers for the Derby.
Efficient is a l/scr for the next – the Chairman’s. I wonder why. They’ve had no luck with him for many seasons now.
3:34pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:34pm | Report comment
Official best backed is my top selection Polish Knight.
3:33pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:33pm | Report comment
Track is playing fair. Horses running on in the last few. That suits Silent Achiever, Ethiopia and Polish Knight.
3:31pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:31pm | Report comment
Horses on the track for the Derby. Five minutes to jump.
This is a classic of the AUstralian turf. I went through the honour roll in the preview. There are not many champs that haven’t won this. Just about every champion that was firing at three and can stay has won this.
Just like the English (Epsom) Derby and the American Kentucky Derby, this is the three-year old race we pin our hat on.
3:30pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:30pm | Report comment
Best eachway hope is clearly Polish Knight here. Best roughie in my opinion is Ethiopia ($13 not that rough but rough enough)
3:23pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:23pm | Report comment
So this is an interesting Derby. Certainly not the worst Derby we’ve ever seen.
Laser Hawk looks like he’s going to progress into a nice horse in the Spring. Melbourne Cups have been mentioned with him. He’d want to win this if he’s up to MC class – it’s virtually an international race these days.
Silent Achiever takes a similar route to Jimmy Choux, who failed in this race last year but won the Rosehill Guineas prior and finished second in the Cox Plate after. SA is a 2400m horse but has she had enough this prep. This is her second GF this year and she has travelled. She’s never spelled.
Polish Knight is the up and comer. He’s got a bit timing about him. He looks like a real 2400m horse.
Big money for Laser Hawk here. Backed into clear favouritism.
3:26pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:26pm | Report comment
Opening statement as “not the worst Derby we’ve ever seen” doesn’t inspire mate!
Truth be told, there doesn’t seem to be many standouts coming from here. Laser Hawk has to make the 2400 – I’ve seen too many fail to jump on, but he’ll have a big future at Cups and the like if he can
3:28pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:28pm | Report comment
haha yeah, some Derbies have failed to deliver lately. We’re not the best at producing stayers anymore….yeah Laser Hawk isn’t bred to run this trip. If he does, I think he’ll win.
Gut says won’t run distance. Head says too many smarties say he will.
3:20pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:20pm | Report comment
The Derby: I offer precisely no insight into this! Have not been following closely enough and to say I enjoy the Derby as a betting prospect would be exaggerating, too open for my small investments and often an outsider wins. That does make it attractive to longshot punters though – plenty of odds available.
Justin’s analysis is pretty good, I like the idea of Ethiopia winning, but even 2400 might not be far enough!
3:26pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:26pm | Report comment
I was going to write in the preview that Ethiopia might be looking for the Grand National trip of 7200 metres but I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration.
I’ve given it a bit more thought and I reckon 2400 is perfect for him. There’s a bit of Littorio in this horse. He ran third in his Sydney Derby before winning the BMW two years ago.
3:18pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:18pm | Report comment
Laser Hawk has to contend with a wide gate here. It could undo him.
If you’re not sure about that ask Moose….I mean Mosse after his ride on Americain last week in the BMW.
3:16pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:16pm | Report comment
So the day’s feature, the ATC Derby is 20 minutes away.
Laser Hawk is the favourite. Silent Achiever is the main danger.
Polish Knight is my top tip and there has been really good support for him. Good eachway hope I reckon.
3:05pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:05pm | Report comment
Mick ROdd jockey “She’ll get better as she gets further”
3:09pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:09pm | Report comment
I hope they don’t get carried away and hurt her trying to run her in a Cup too soon….
3:10pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:10pm | Report comment
No Kav is very very soft on his horses. Never ever throws them in if they’re not up to it.
This is what I think they’ll do.
They’ll go to the All Aged in two weeks then spell.
They’ll bring her back and aim her at a Cox Plate using a WFA course. Then she will spell before possibly travelling overseas.
3:14pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:14pm | Report comment
Good bloke, that Kav. All Aged – just looking it up, 1400m and open division, last winner Hay List, before him Hot Danish and in 2009 Danleigh. Not a bad pedigree.
3:00pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:00pm | Report comment
Kav “Nothing is out of the question” – when asked about aiming at Cox Plate
3:00pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:00pm | Report comment
Pierro looks like a good horse who will be right in the mix in G1s in WFA and open classes.
Atlantic Jewel looks like a freak who will be unbeaten for a long long time if they keep her right.
3:03pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:03pm | Report comment
Yeah that’s right.
You know before I ever placed eyes upon Black Caviar I thought there were varying degrees of good horses – those with turn of foots, those that were tough, those that needed the breaks….I never imagined seeing a horse that would win with such ease – perfection.
Then within a few seasons to have another with Atlantic Jewel – it’s unbelievable.
In my 15-20 years following racing (virtually my whole life), I’ve never seen horses like BC and AJ win Group races like this.
They are out of this world.
ANd this girl AJ, is a stakes winner from 1200 to 2000. Goodness knows what she’s about to do in the coming months and years.
3:03pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:03pm | Report comment
And that’s against all comers… there’s more excitement around her for me simply because she can get out to more distance than Black Caviar, having won up to 2000m, which as Kav just said, brings her into contention for the biggest mile races, and the Cox.
Yep JC, it’s very exciting. Sepoy, Manawanui, Helmet were all fun to watch in the spring and all very short price favourites. Atlantic Jewel is more impressive than those put together.
2:59pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:59pm | Report comment
Kav: “it’s a relief”
Says he thought she’d do that
“She’s just a special horse”
“She makes me speechless”
“She sat four deep….and she just strode away”
2:59pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:59pm | Report comment
Goodness. That was sensational. She absolutely cruised to that win, comfortably held, untested under the whip. What a win.
2:58pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:58pm | Report comment
Well what a win by Atlantic Jewel.
Three-wide the entirity. First-up after a hammy injury….she brains them
Now that is Black Caviar-esque.
Soft much?
2:52pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:52pm | Report comment
Kavanagh, trainer of AJ “I don’t doubt my decision to run in this race over TJ”
“I’m pretty excited,” he says giggling.
Brian York, yard watcher for TVN says crucial words “She actually looks forward”
Well AJ should be winning then.
2:54pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:54pm | Report comment
When we say “forward” or “looking forward” it’s racing jargon for how fit a horse is and how much trackwork and training they’ve done for a race. It’s crucial. Not every week can be GF day. Especially when first-up.
2:50pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:50pm | Report comment
Yes, Atlantic Jewel had a freakish Spring.
Tristan, you’re right – Mosheen is the other star filly but in their only meeting last Spring, AJ smashed Mosheen by three lengths.
If AJ is forward in her work, I think she’ll win this.
And it will be pretty soft. There’s a bit of Black Caviar in this girl. She wins, she wins in soft fashion and she wins by big margins….oh and she’s undefeated.
2:52pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:52pm | Report comment
You’re seeing BC everywhere JC!
2:55pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:55pm | Report comment
Yes. But there’s been a bit of BC in AJ from day one. Every win has been soft. There is a lot of BC in her.
ATH – well he looks like BC. Maybe has some way to go before he gets to that level…if ever.
2:48pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:48pm | Report comment
The disappointment earlier in the week was when connections decided not to run AJ in the TJ Smith, opting for the softer option. Unbeaten does have a certain ring to it…
2:51pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:51pm | Report comment
Yeah was very disappointing and after watching the TJ closely, I must say that she probably would’ve won. Rain Affair was a bit flat and he only got beat by a head.
2:46pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:46pm | Report comment
The Jewel is at around $1.45, or less on the totes. She hasn’t been seen since demolishing a field including Mosheen in the Thousand Guineas, by many lengths.
Mosheen is the other boom filly around town… she got by Streama last start in a great win to win three group 1s on the trot.
Trainer Mark Kavanagh has only a limited autumn to leave AJ fresh for the spring.
Figuring out if AJ has come on as much as Mosheen will be just one story.
2:36pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:36pm | Report comment
R6, before the Derby, features superstar Atlantic Jewel. Can’t tell you how keen I am to see how far she wins by today.
12:25pm
Tim said | 12:25pm | Report comment
I think the owners of Ethiopia got the name from the mum, Shona.
12:39pm
jcinque said | 12:39pm | Report comment
Good spot with Shona. I just did a quick bit of research on the Shona language and it’s spoken only in Southern africa. Ethiopia is in the horn near the north. So I’m sticking with my theory
12:40pm
jcinque said | 12:40pm | Report comment
Of course, if Ethiopia wins we may find out. His owners don’t get to have much of a say in the media because he hasn’t yet won a race.