Super Rugby mid-season report card
By Brett McKay, 17 Apr 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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The Western Force celebrate their win over the Waratahs at full time during their Super Rugby match at Allianz Stadium, Sydney, Saturday, March 1, 2012. The Western Force defeated the Waratahs 21 - 20. (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)
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For the last few seasons, I’ve offered up my mid-season report card for Super Rugby around this time of year. It seems logical and even traditional that I should continue my trend.
Yet the new-bloated Super Rugby season, with a fasting period for the inbound June Internationals, has meant it’s not quite the same mid-season mark it once was.
There’s no real dramas, I suppose; I’ll just have to write another report card later in the season.
Super Rugby has been great in 2012.
It’s been as open as it’s ever been, and with upsets or surprise results every week. At least that’s what I’m concluding based on my once-again horrendous tipping form.
The ‘as-expected’s
The Stormers, Chiefs, and Highlanders fall into this category, simply by leading the way in this year’s tournament. I’m not sure who will host the final quite yet, but I’m thinking it will be one of these three sides.
The Stormers just keep rolling on, home or away.
Saturday’s loss to the Crusaders was their first of the tournament, and even that was a close-run thing.
Their defence is still excellent and they seem to play more attacking rugby than you might expect.
Joe Pietersen provides the spark from the back and Bryan Habana looks to be regaining form from seasons’ past. Only a lack of bonus points keeps them out of top spot overall.
The Highlanders are toward the pointy end of the Super Rugby standings, just by doing the simple things well.
There’s probably no harder team at the breakdown and they seem to be capable of adapting on the run better than most teams.
Under the Perspex roof in Dunedin, or in the cold of Invercargill, the Highlanders seem to have the uncanny knack of dragging their opponents into the game they want to play, and then just playing that game better.
It’s simple, effective, winning rugby.
The Chiefs are here because I thought they’d go well this year.
They were one of my three pre-season smokeys and now that they lead the comp, they certainly haven’t let me down.
They’re now also on a six-game winning streak, including three from three away from home.
A new coach and a new playmaker seems to have breathed new life into the Chiefs, and they’re playing exciting rugby as a result.
Aaron Cruden is clearly enjoying the benefit of his off-season switch from the Hurricanes, while Sonny Bill Williams is also enjoying his move from the Crusaders.
In turn, guys like Richard Kahui and Lelia Masaga are enjoying the extra space and time they often find themselves in.
The Chiefs’ scrum, though, is what’s literally laying the platform for the sparkling attack.
A massive front row is making their scrum near immovable, and it’s scary to think what 136kg 20 year-old Ben Tameifuna might become.
The Reds and Crusaders, despite both being a bit off, are also doing about as well as I thought they would this year.
Both struggled to a degree to replace their key playmakers early on and the Crusaders are very deliberately bubble-wrapping Dan Carter back to full match fitness now.
I expect the Reds will do the same when Quade Cooper returns.
The Rebels and Lions fall into this category because I just didn’t expect much at all, and they’ve proved this to be the case.
The Rebels, to their credit, have shown signs of improvement in both defence and attack. But much like Matt Giteau last season for the Brumbies, James O’Connor looks like the Lone Ranger trying to spark things.
And it’s hard to see anything but a long season still to come for the Lions. As expected.
The surprise packets
The Hurricanes, Brumbies, and Bulls all fall into this category by virtue of losing so many quality and established players after the 2011 season and bouncing back in spectacular fashion.
I wouldn’t be alone in saying that I truly didn’t expect much in 2012 for any of them; if any of them snuck into the top half of the overall table by season’s end, I was going to prepare hats for eating.
Yet here we are, after week eight and all three of them are in the top six.
The Brumbies lead the Australian conference again after a brutal demolition of the Rebels. The Bulls and Hurricanes occupy wildcard spots.
The Bulls and Hurricanes have found ways of reinventing their sides, while maintaining high standards on the field.
They haven’t tried to find another Matfield or Weepu. Instead they’ve preferred to back lesser-known players to fill in behind them.
Both teams are being helped enormously by their respective captains Pierre Spies and Conrad Smith, both of whom are quite literally playing super rugby.
The Brumbies might be the feel-good story of 2012.
Decimated by big-name departures, and with 18 new faces in their squad, they are reaping the benefits of an off-season that started last July.
What’s more, with rolling mauls and now a massive human being at number eight, the Jake White influence only requires a stadium car park braai to be complete.
The Cheetahs also fall into the surprise bracket in 2012. Despite having had a very good season in 2011, I thought the loss of Sarel Pretorius and the injection of a relatively inexperienced fly-half would be too big a hurdle to overcome.
What I didn’t realise was that Johan Goosen is something of a goal-kicking freak, who is also a bloody good ball-player to boot.
It may be a touch scary to think about, but Goosen could well be the next long term Springbok fly-half.
The disappointments
The Force and Sharks were my two other smokeys pre-season and, despite showing decent form in patches, haven’t been able to maintain it.
The thing about consistency, you see, is that you have to do it all the time.
The presence of the Blues and Waratahs here probably doesn’t need to be explained.
So take it away, Roarers. Who’ have been your ‘as-expected’s, surprise packets and disappointments so far in 2012?
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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April 17th 2012 @ 12:34am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 12:34am | Report comment
I would say I’m suprised the Rebels have done quite as badly. It makes sense certainly, but perhaps from Saffy, Delve and Pyle a better forward pack might be hoped for, and with Cipriani, Beale, JOC and Vuna a better backline. But you obviously need more than three good players in the forwards.
I’m suprised the Brumbies have done as well, simply because I didn’t expect them to unearth so much unknown talent.
I’m not suprised the Waratahs have been average because their backline without Mitchell/Turner has insufficent talent and Foley was unlikely to be much different/better than Hickey after emerging from his side.
April 17th 2012 @ 5:46am
mania said | April 17th 2012 @ 5:46am | Report comment
kpm – not surprised that rebels are where they are. serves them right for buying some flash accessories instead of investing in the engine room. joc and beale as good a players as they are arent going to hit the rucks , mauls and set a decent attacking platform for the bax.
brumbies doesnt surprise me at all. jakeWhite i’d consider one of the best modern day coaches. when u break rugby down to its components the obvious single factor that is most important is team work. this is also the hardest to implement getting your team to believe in themselves and each other. jakes done it by taking a team without the ego’s of superstars and made them into a team. this is what is prevalent at the hiLanders and canes and woefull missing from the blues.
a champion team will always beat a team of champions.
April 17th 2012 @ 6:52am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 6:52am | Report comment
mania here we have the story of two coaches: Rod Macqueen the super-ego who recruited all the wrong players, and White who is a professional coach and knows what he is doing.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:01am
mania said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
kpm – i was talking bout the rebels. i thought macqueen assembled an awesome team last year. what this year is different?
April 17th 2012 @ 7:09am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:09am | Report comment
Come on mania the team Macqueen assembled last year was a joke! It was only through Cipriani’s best performances that they won anything, and they ended at the foot of the ladder. Remember too, they were allowed much more money by the ARU to buy players than the other franchises, but Macqueen chose a dirty dozen of old players who failed to produce anything. He wanted to prove he was a magician who could turn anything into gold, and he dismally failed. Sadly most of that team remains. So the problem is that this year not enough is different!
April 17th 2012 @ 7:20am
mania said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:20am | Report comment
your right KPM, I’m getting my teams mixed up. yes rebels are pretty woeful and their recruiting policy is confusing.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:25am
Justin said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
KPM – reality is they need a front row and then they are competitive. Not title wining but competitive week to week.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:36am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Justin certainly for the price of JOC or Beale you could buy some pretty good forwards.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:51am
Funk said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
“Justin certainly for the price of JOC or Beale you could buy some pretty good forwards.” Since when did we start talking about our fantasy teams?
April 17th 2012 @ 10:36am
rl said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
KPM – I don’t pretend to know Macqueen, but met him several times during his stint as Wallabies coach (at their Sunshine Coast training base) and he struck me as completely the opposite of what you describe. Very approachable, very generous with his time helping coach local schools and club teams. Oh, and worth remembering he has the same number of World Cup trophies as Jake White (which is one more than I’ll ever get), is an OAM and, probably more signficantly, a recipient of the Joe French award for servcies to Australian Rugby. So I think he’s entitled to a certain amount of respect.
And you are wrong – JOC/Beale money did not get them Benn Robinson or David Pocock (who they openly targeted for their inaugural team), or any number of European-based players they tried (Euro clubs rightly place a premium on good props). Even today they are having difficulty trying to get the ARU to agree to them signing an up-and-coming Kiwi prop.
As Justin says, if they had the front row of any other S15 team, we’d be having a very different conversation about the Rebels.
April 17th 2012 @ 10:59am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
rl this is too vast a subject to open up now, but see my remarks on LAS’ article I think yesterday about the Rebels and Brumbies, where I spell out why I consider Macqueen’s current work a failure.
The Rebels didn’t need to get players quite as good as Pocock to sufficently improve their pack a lot, just players that are better than the current ones.
April 17th 2012 @ 11:19am
rl said | April 17th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Now of all times you choose to exercise blogging restraint?
You’re right to stand in judgement of him if course – starting a new team from scratch is just so childishly easy after all. Burn him at the stake I says.
April 17th 2012 @ 11:25am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
rl it’s not so much a question of restraint as that I have been through it many times before, in fact I wrote an article last year attacking him.
I won’t elaborate too much, but he is a man of the amateur era, not the developed professional one, and this showed in his misguided and unsuccessful tenure at the Rebels.
April 17th 2012 @ 11:58am
Justin said | April 17th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
They won 3 matches in the first year. Hardly a failure for a start up club.
April 17th 2012 @ 3:22pm
Lorry said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
KPM]
god you say some odd thing sometimes – Macqueen was one of the best coaches we’ve ever had…
And re the super-ego quote, aren’t all great coaches? Wayne Bennett for example…
April 17th 2012 @ 9:16pm
sheek said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:16pm | Report comment
KPM,
You’re being unduly tough on MacQueen. He assembled the best team he could last year with the free agents available. It’s not as if he had the pick of the litter.
I agree the rebels need to develop their tight forwards, but they also need some drawcards in the backline. It’s a tough act for the Rebels, a really tough act.
Rome wasn’t built in a day & all that kind of stuff…..
April 18th 2012 @ 12:10am
kingplaymaker said | April 18th 2012 @ 12:10am | Report comment
Sheek it’s a long story if I spell out my entire thoughts about Macqueen.
The ARU gave the Rebels far more money, or rather license to spend money, than any other franchise, and yet Macqueen recruited a dirty dozen who predictably misfired. He could have got a far better team with the money he had, most of which he didn’t use.
He seems to me a product of the amateur era who hasn’t adapted to the professional game. His successes were in what was still really the amateur game.
What he is today and the world he is in are nothing like what he was a decade ago in a nother world.
April 17th 2012 @ 4:04pm
AndyS said | April 17th 2012 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
The thing that surprised me was that the Rebels had the benefit of an example. They recruited Beale and O’Connor, where the Force recruited Giteau and Mitchell in their second year. One would have thought a lesson could have been learned about whether a couple of backs alone is enough…
April 17th 2012 @ 10:20pm
Bludger said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:20pm | Report comment
Very hard sport to follow in Australia because it is only on pay tv.
They need to have a FTA component or they will be forever marginalised.
April 17th 2012 @ 2:39am
dewald said | April 17th 2012 @ 2:39am | Report comment
The chiefs is flying to my expectations,but i dont think they are as good as the table shows..they have soooo much talent but i dont expect them the win against under average teams with less than 8 points…crusaders are hangigng around untill full strenth so they are one of the finalist teams,stormers are good but attacking isint acc to my expectations maby it will change after their loss,reds image terribly hurts and i think they will carry on as inconsistent or maby worse,rebels think that joc beale cipriani could lift the entire team but its as if the other players are only there because high school rugby teams are full but is doing worse than my expectÀtion,sharks is my team and im soooo frustrated because they are a quality side but take the games for me with too much ease so i KNOW they are dangerous under pressure and do think they can beat ANY team when they get pressure so i back them with one of the wild card positions instead of hurricanes or highlanders..cheetahs is awesome this year because they are going to mix this log up with wins on top team,the top teams for me will be:stormers,crusaders,chiefs,sharks,brumbies and bulls or highlanders.m
April 17th 2012 @ 8:33am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Dewald, that probably speaks to the closeness of the competition in 2012, too. They’re going well, the Chiefs, they’ll be there or thereabouts come July..
April 17th 2012 @ 8:36am
Bakkies said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Side topic is there any truth to the rumour that Hooper is about to sign with the Tahs?
April 17th 2012 @ 8:42am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
more than a little bit Bakkies – I put a link out just before on my Twitter (@BMcSport). It’s all but a done deal, by the sounds…
April 17th 2012 @ 8:53am
Bakkies said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Stupid decision on Hooper’s behalf.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:56am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I couldn’t disagree more, Bakkies – if you were offered a truckload of cash to move back home and with no obvious threats to your place (as C.Fainga’a might be, if fit), why wouldn’t you consider such a move??
April 17th 2012 @ 9:03am
Bakkies said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
A truck load of cash to move back home did AAC a fat load of good. Tahs are poorly coached and have 3 opensides on their books. C.Faingaa is more of a blindside. Who would you rather be coached by Jake White or Foley? I wouldn’t be surprised if he changes his mind by the end of the season.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:10am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Agree Bakkies. Moving to the Tahs often spells disaster for a player. Hooper has a certain starting position at the Brumbies if he stays and can develop under a world class coach instead of misfiring Foley.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:13am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Bakkies, none of Alcock, McCutcheon, and Jenkins are contracted beyond this season. And Hooper isn’t Adam Ashley-Cooper, is he..
April 17th 2012 @ 9:43am
David of Canberra said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
let’s hope Jake White can have a serious talk to Hooper about the decision and get him to change his mind – the Waratahs appear to be toxic in their team culture – I think AAC and Elsom may have transplanted some of the bad Brumbies culture to the Waratahs, given the indifferent performances that Michael Foley is suffering from and if Hooper thinks he’ll be in the starting XV, he’s going to be disappointed as long as Rocky, J:enkins, McCutcheon, Alcock and Dennis are around ahead of him.
He can’t seriously be homesick – Sydney is only 3 hours away and George Smith seemed to manage okay as a young fella in exactly the same position.
But if Hooper goes, what’s to stop Jake having a go at getting Pocock into a Brumby jersey?
April 17th 2012 @ 9:54am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
David, that would be interesting, wouldn’t it, the Brumbies having a crack at Pocock! I don’t believe he’l leave Perth, for what it’s worth, but it won’t stop the offers flooding in..
April 17th 2012 @ 10:31am
Justin said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Disappointing for the Brumbies. If Alcock isnt contracted I hope the Rebels go after him, he is a handy player to have…
April 17th 2012 @ 10:57am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
More foolishness from the Waratahs as usual. They need backs not forwards.
April 17th 2012 @ 11:17am
David of Canberra said | April 17th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
my belief is that for the Waratahs it’s more about damaging the Brumbies than really offering Hooper a chance at progression – once they sign him up, he can be warehoused and not playing for the Brumbies.
It’s what Sam Chisholm used to do at Channel Nine during the ’80s – sign up any promising talent when they looked like building profiles on the other commercial networks by throwing a lot of money at them and then having them sit around not doing much at all.
If Hooper really really thought about it and was a team player, he’d realise that the opportunity the Brumbies have given him could quickly disappear in Waratah land.
He’ll probably end up on the bench, warming the spot for Rocky, and then only get game time playing for Sydney Uni in the Shute Shield – aren’t they the real power in the Waratahs outfit?
April 17th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
David, I’d be very surprised if Hooper is/was bought just to sit on the bench. As I mentioned above, none of the three current opensides the Tahs have are contracted beyond this year. And while size seems to matter in the NSW pack, Hooper being a smaller, faster, fitter player would offer a level of subtlety in a massive pack that none of the current no.7s can. I’m quite sure they will want him in the no.7 from the outset…
April 17th 2012 @ 2:19pm
Will Sinclair said | April 17th 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Nothing wrong with a Sydney boy returning home to play for his local team.
Nothing wrong with it at all.
April 17th 2012 @ 3:33pm
bmwwilliams said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Sounds like a decision being made for personal, rather than professional reasons.
Clearly he has been well looked after at the Brumbies (and well mentored by a certain G. Smith), but it would be an understandable decision to move closer to home, particularly at his tender age.
Given the current state of the two clubs though, it seems misguided- The Brums are a tight group of young talent under an excellent coach, and the Tahs seem a poorly-coached and overly political outfit full of underperforming stars. I know which I’d rather be a part of as a young up-and-comer.
Hopefully he continues to develop in the sky blue.
April 17th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
BMW, I do get this train of thought (Brumbies v Waratahs), but I suppose the one saving grace for Hooper – and opensides in general – is that his role isn’t exactly one that can be changed too much from team to team. Whatever jersey he’s wearing, he just has to rip into the next ruck head down.
So not even the Tahs could bugger that up…
April 17th 2012 @ 3:58pm
bmwwilliams said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
It does leave the Brumbies in a difficult position as well Brett – In the current spirit of backing youngsters, i would prefer (and expect) to see Faingaa become the No7 rather than bringing in an established outsider.
This leaves them probably in need of an even younger openside (!), preferably a star of the future, to play backup.
Can they pull another rabbit out of the hat?
April 17th 2012 @ 4:30pm
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | April 17th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Do you have a timeline on when Colby F will be back on the paddock Brett? If fairly soon that could affect how much game time Hooper gets for the rest of the year. Jake White will be making some hard decisions as to how he builds the team into the future, which may limit Hooper’s appearances this year if he isn’t with the Brumbies in 2013.
April 17th 2012 @ 4:50pm
Bakkies said | April 17th 2012 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
”none of Alcock, McCutcheon”
One of those two will sign a new deal.
My point about AAC is that he has regressed at the Waratahs. White has got Hooper playing like Brussouw does with the Boks. More than just a fetcher. Plus the Tahs have an ageing pack and he will be back to square one when the old heads go
”As for being homesick”
I don’t subscribe to that nonsense. A lot of blokes his age want to get as far away as possible from home. Once he makes the Wallabies he won’t be home much anyway so you can’t tell Deans and co ”I am homesick, let me go home”
April 17th 2012 @ 7:19pm
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:19pm | Report comment
Guru, I did see Colby the other night and noticed the moon boot is gone, but no, I’m not sure how far away he is. I’d be surprised if he was right before the break for the internationals..
Bakkies, you’re right, one of those two will be re-signed, but as I mentioned above, the gameplan for a no.7 wouldn’t change much from team to team. Hooper could play exactly the same way for NSW ad he does for the Brumbies, as I’m sure they’d want him too…
April 17th 2012 @ 9:17pm
sheek said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:17pm | Report comment
Hmmm Brett – clever lure…..
April 18th 2012 @ 9:36am
Bakkies said | April 18th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
One thing I don’t get about this. Has Hooper been quoted in regards to his contract negotiations and is he even in the country? I checked the Canberra Times website yesterday and nothing about this on it. I trust the Canberra press more than the gutter Sydney papers when it comes to Rugby.
April 17th 2012 @ 4:18pm
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | April 17th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
I suppose it may end up being down to whether Hooper wants a real crack at the title……I know I am biased, but he would have more chance at the Brumbies than the Tahs over the next few years I think.
April 17th 2012 @ 4:28am
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April 17th 2012 @ 4:33am
krash said | April 17th 2012 @ 4:33am | Report comment
Gotta agree with you with regards to the Brumbies, Brett. Never expected them to do this well. I don’t think they’re in with a legitimate shot of winning the thing, but I think they can be proud of where they’re at. If they make a finals appearance it’ll be a real achievement for them. Heck, if the Reds and the Tahs don’t make a surge later on in the season (which I suspect they will), they might just find themselves in a really good finals spot by topping the Aussie conference.
By the way, as a Saffa, I appreciate the car park braai reference
With regards to Goosen, my god but the boy’s a freakish talent. I, as do many, expect a Bok jersey to be coming his way in the not too distant future. And its great to see that he isn’t just brilliant with the boot, but is also a very handy ball player. Its becoming a trend with all the young pivots emerging in SA, which is really pleasing to see. What is it with all these baby-faced number 10s just coming outta the woodwork??
April 17th 2012 @ 5:41am
mania said | April 17th 2012 @ 5:41am | Report comment
krash – I’ve been a fan of goosen when a saffa mate told me to keep an eye on him and sarel last season. sarel i’m disapointed in and dont think he has the defence to unseat hougaard (or FDP if he comes back) but goosen is amazing. also consider that goosen is only 19/20? hopefully meyer slots him in then lets his natural game flourish instead of forcing him to play a kick and pressure game. morne to start though and goosen to be mentored by morne. morne imho still has a lot of offer. if he can pass his kicking game onto lambie and goosen the boks will hard to beat this season and many more to come.
spies imho is past his best. spies is having an excellent season but i feel that this is form not class, ie temporary not permanent. for me boks will need to insert vermulen asap to get into the test environment. vermulen isnt as fast or strong as spies but he has brains , more skill and a much better work ethic.
hope the boks bring it this season, and when they bring it i hope they bring it with all the potential i know they can achieve. cant wait for the AB’s and Boks test line up to be revealed
April 17th 2012 @ 3:01pm
krash said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
Mania, as great as it would be to see Goosen fast-tracked into the Bok set-up, I’m inclined to that he would benefit a little bit more if he plays one more full season of Super Rugby. I often think we get way too excited at the talents of a fresh young thing and thrust them into the cauldron of Test match football a little too soon. I would urge caution on thoughts of rewarding Goosen higher honors just yet. For the good of all parties (except maybe the opposition
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I also think that in both Lambie and Jantjies, the Boks will be well served in terms of back-ups to Morn this year. I think Jantjies deserves a legitimate crack at Test rugga before being completely written off. He’s still rated very highly by those of us in the republic.
April 17th 2012 @ 3:09pm
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
Krash, how long before Jantjies gets poached by one of the more successful SA sides??
April 17th 2012 @ 3:29pm
krash said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
I don’t know, but I hope its not within the next year or two. I really think he needs help this team try to build something decent, because he’s gotta be the brightest thing the Lions have seen in forever. I also think he could do a lot worse than leave the tutelage of Carlos Spencer and John Mitchell so soon, because he has benefitted immensely from them.
In any case, all the franchises over here are well served in the number 10 jersey, and i hardly think that Jantjies will leave Joburg to play second fiddle to someone else, especially when the Lions have invested so much in him. Having said that, money does speak all kinds of languages…
April 18th 2012 @ 4:55am
mania said | April 18th 2012 @ 4:55am | Report comment
fair point bout goosen krash but i reckon he still needs to be exposed to the test environment. with lambie slotted into fullback i’d have goosen on the bench, understudy for morne. as a rookie he doesnt have to play a hell of a lot of minutes but being in the squad and trainings and learning what the environment at the highest level of rugby will help take the awe away from it, maybe.
but your correct there is no rush. goosen can cool his jets this season finish his SR season then be given a berth in the EOY tour. would still like to see him in the midYear tests though , but i concede that it is rushing him in.
though i’d jsut like to point out that cullen was given international honours at a very young age (20) with the 7′s squad. the same year he played in the AB’s and in his first 2 tests scored 7 tries.
goosens not a cullen but i reckon he has just as much potential and maturity. i reckon goosens ready but as u say theres no rush yet…but still love to see him in the test environment
April 19th 2012 @ 2:18pm
tubby said | April 19th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
spies i splaying well above last year, but that’s more a reflection on how bad he was then. vermuelen has played far better this season. if russuow is injured I hope they recall francois luow from europe.
Morne steyne really needs to work on things other than his kicking, the one dimensional game plan was their downfall in thw WC. He’s not the best goal kicker in SA, his defense is better only that coopers, and the attack? take your pick, jantjies, lambie, goosen or grant, all run a backline better.
the cheetahs have been great to watch this season. If they had their leader fit in Juan smith they could easily have turned a couple of those close losse around.
April 17th 2012 @ 6:29am
Uncle Eric said | April 17th 2012 @ 6:29am | Report comment
Tom Taylor is a bit of a talent as well.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:40am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Good on ya, Krash! Big test for the Brumbies coming up this weekend in Pretoria; I’d reckon anything better than a bonus point loss would a moral victory for such a young team.
The Brumbies media release yesterday named their 26-man tour squad and included asterix next to blokes on their first SA tour (*) and blokes on their first tour to SA for the Brumbies (**). Basically, everyone bar the three Wallabies, Lealiifano, and Kimlin had asterixes (asterxii?)!! It was an asterix-athon!
Goosen’s just unbelievable. Line up a shot in Canberra last month from 59m and it went under the crossbar by a coat of paint. He must kick them from his own 22 up on the veldt! And you’re very welcome with the braai reference, I cater for everyone
April 17th 2012 @ 3:19pm
krash said | April 17th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
Yeah, it seems to be a thing in Bloem to produce these siege-gun boots. First Franscois Steyn, now this guy! Whatever it is that their feeding the kickers over there we could certainly use a dose of it here in Joburg!
The Brumbies will have it all to do to not get overwhelmed by the cauldron atmosphere of Loftus. However, no disrespect to the Brumbies, I don’t think Loftus will exactly be packed to capacity, which could favour the Brumbies as the intensity of the atmosphere will come down a notch or two.
But the Bulls are still in frightening form, and should be no less intimidating. Then again, Jake White knows what Bulls rugby is all about and he’ll definitely have a few plots to undo the Bull’s pressure game. (As an aside, it’ll be great to see him return home
) it remains to be seen whether or not the Brumbies will be able to execute whatever sneaky gameplans White comes up with. But I still expect nothing more than a bonus point loss for them. I think they’ll have targeted the Lions game to get maximum points on tour anyway.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:29pm
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:29pm | Report comment
Krash, I’ve read with interest today that White will keep the team up on the veldt for the whole tour, none of this preparing at sea-level and heading up onto the veldt the day before. Apparently Jake’s done the tour itinerary too!!
April 17th 2012 @ 9:31am
Cliff said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Goosen is a freakish talent. He also leads me to believe that for all these years not one golf commentator has actually pronnounced Retief Goosen’s name correctly.
April 17th 2012 @ 2:41pm
krash said | April 17th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Haha! Spot on about the golf commentators, Cliff! Don’t even get me started on how they say Oosthuizen. That usually verges on just being plain diabolical. Having said that, the ‘Goose’ is a pretty cool nickname
April 17th 2012 @ 7:08am
Moaman said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Not much to disagree with Brett….for me the most pleasant aspect of the season so far is the difference in the Chiefs the new coaching staff must be responsible for.(I dread the possibility of Wayne Smith offering his services to England btw); The Chiefs have always been an exciting team to watch but they seem to have mixed in a blend of steel to the mercury this year.Their defensive composure against the dangerous Cheetahs on the weekend showed me how far they have improved whilst the backs continue to invent.
)Look forward to your ‘real’ Half-Season Report!
That the Blues are as bad as they are is my biggest surprise.If this continues it’s going to be fun trying to name a shadow AB side to face the Irish in June
The Brumbies are another endorsement for sound coaching.Always nice to see teams doing well despite not being chock full of “marquee” players and glamour boys.(guys who watch themselves on the big screen instead of their team whilst sitting on the bench
April 17th 2012 @ 8:46am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
hey Moa, I must agree with you re the Chiefs composure this year; they seem to have lost that rogue element of … well, ‘Frenchness’ they had in them, in that they would dominate a team for 55 minutes then clock off, or they’d beat a top-line team comfortably one week and then lose to someone like the Lions the next. No question the Smith influence is big on the consistency side of things, but Rennie strikes me as a pretty calm sort of character. Cruden’s gone to a whole new level of confidence under his old mentor, too..
April 17th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Kiwidave said | April 17th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
I think Tom Coventry deserves a lot of credit for the way the chiefs pack are performing. Including credit for plucking Tamiefuna from his Hawkes Bay side despite his apparent youth.
April 17th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Moaman said | April 17th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Very good point.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:12am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:12am | Report comment
Moaman it seems Smith has cooled on the idea of going to England, probably because working under no-name Stuart Lancaster instead of Nick Mallet would be demeaning.
Although it might not be great for the Chiefs, Smith would be an ideal candidate to take over the Blues…
April 17th 2012 @ 7:22am
Moaman said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Who in their right mind would want to accept that poisoned chalice atm KPM? Smith must be loving the fresh talent at his disposal at the Chiefs.Tawera K-B,Cruden,Nanai-Williams,Horrell et al give him a nice palette to work with….
April 17th 2012 @ 8:35am
bj said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Mallet as a coach might actually be an interesting consideration for the Blues – with all that unorganised power floating around in their ranks.
April 17th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Kiwidave said | April 17th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
You could argue that it is a chance to make a mark. There should be talent available. A good coach who could cut out some of the dead wood (sorry Ali) and get a cohesive game plan going could come up smelling of roses very quickly.
April 17th 2012 @ 5:19pm
Sprigs said | April 17th 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
At last a mention of Horrell…
What a blinder he had at the weekend.
Is he always that good?
If so, watch out world.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:50am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Lancaster just might want to assemble his own team, too, KPM. I do hope you’re involved in the Force’s recruitment drive, no-one seems to be able to assess candidates quite like you…
April 17th 2012 @ 8:56am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Kind of you to give me such credit Brett. Here however this is hardly my opinion: all the English papers predicted that were Lancaster appointed Smith would be unwilling to work under him, given the latter’s vastly superior experience at far higher levels, and it seems they were right, so it is they and me who deserves the credit.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:58am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Did anyone actually ask Wayne Smith that, though? Did anyone ask Stuart Lancaster if he wanted him?
April 17th 2012 @ 9:01am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Smith was very interested in the position until Lancaster was appointed, but now he has said he is happy in New Zealand. This change of position would suggest the thought of working under the novice Lancaster was unpalatable.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:15am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
I do love the way you can read whatever you want into a situation…
April 17th 2012 @ 9:19am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Well Brett it’s not just me but most of the English rugby press….
April 17th 2012 @ 9:34am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
and the media are never wrong, are they (we)?
April 17th 2012 @ 9:37am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
That’s true, and not even being the media myself means I am even more likely to be wrong!
April 17th 2012 @ 11:39am
Colin N said | April 17th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Smith was asked during the Six Nations if he was interested in the England head coach job. He said he wasn’t because he believed it was more about relationships within the RFU and the media than any sort of ambitious on field target. Nothing to do with Lancaster.
Since Lancaster’s appointment, I have seen nothing about the media stating he would or would not like to work under Lancaster, but simply that his name has been linked with the attack coach job after Farrell stayed at Saracens.
If anything, why would Smith want to work with Mallet? The bloke plays negative rugby and surely their styles would clash?
April 17th 2012 @ 9:18pm
Ben S said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
Has the English media said this? I’ve seen it mentioned possibly once over a period of months.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:44am
Ben S said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
‘Moaman it seems Smith has cooled on the idea of going to England, probably because working under no-name Stuart Lancaster instead of Nick Mallet would be demeaning.’
Demeaning? How?
Also, how has Smith cooled on the idea? He’s basically still saying what he was saying prior to the 6N.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:30am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Moaman true, it might not be ideal for Smith. I wonder what would interest Smith having coached his own country to the RWC. Although he says he only wants to be an assistant coach perhaps that might change if a big enough international offer appeared and he could be the big chief.
April 17th 2012 @ 7:40am
Moaman said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
That’s what worries me,KPM.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:54am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
what wouldn’t be interesting about trying to coach another team at international level? Wouldn’t that be a proper test of a coach’s ability, to have success in different countries??
April 17th 2012 @ 8:58am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
In a way but as an assistant coach he has already reached a pinnacle so it might make sense for him to want move up to the same level of success as a head coach, which he has of course been before.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:59am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
but he said he didn’t want a HC role internationally, as he wanted to be more hands-on. And he wouldn’t have made enquiries if he wasn’t interested..
April 17th 2012 @ 9:02am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Could be, I was just wondering what he might want in the future, not so much now.
April 17th 2012 @ 9:16am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
I’d suggest only one person can answer that…
April 17th 2012 @ 7:46am
kingplaymaker said | April 17th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
Moaman on the other hand apart from Super teams, all the main coaching jobs are sown up for a while: NZ, Australia, SA, England, France. Smith is probably set at the Chiefs for a while, not least because he would surely have been able to get a Super team this year had he wanted to.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:45am
Will Sinclair said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
“The Stormers, Chiefs, and Highlanders fall into this category, simply by leading the way in this year’s tournament. I’m not sure who will host the final quite yet, but I’m thinking it will be one of these three sides.”
I wouldn’t count out the Crusaders though. They’ve had their trip to South Africa, and are building strongly again.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:52am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
I wouldn’t dare rule out the Crusaders Will, but they’ve also got another round of local derbies to have other teams nick points off them too..
April 17th 2012 @ 9:39am
Sam Taulelei said | April 17th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Brett
It’s around this time when the more likely contenders start to make their move.
Rounds 9-12 sees the Hurricanes play local derbies against the Crusaders, Chiefs, Blues and Highlanders. A tough set of fixtures and if they falter after exceeding expectations, this will be an advantage to other teams nipping at their heels. Call me true and faithful to a fault but I expect the Canes to beat the Crusaders and Blues.
Similarly the Brumbies start their road trip which will be a first for most of their young squad and then return to play the Tahs before crossing the ditch to play the Canes. This will really test their mettle and character.
I’m not so convinced of the Crusaders chances, they’ve been the benchmark for the competition for so long that everyone is just expecting them to kick into gear. I’m just wondering if the senior players are guilty of falling into that trap as well, waiting for one of their stars to kick them into gear which is at odds with the team culture and work ethic that has been the hallmark of this team. I’m prepared to stick my neck out and say the Crusaders will be lucky to make the top six this year and will not win the title. I’m hoping for a Chiefs v Stormers final.
The Highlanders also play a derby before hitting the road playing the Cheetahs and Sharks then return to face the Canes. I’m picking this will be a must win fixture for both of these teams to keep their spots in the top six.
The Chiefs are at the top of the table and will now feel the heat of everyone else chasing them, their destiny is in their hands which is what every team strives for. They play the Sharks, Hurricanes, Lions and the Reds at Suncorp before their final bye. They’ll be aiming to still be in that top spot going into that bye and from what they’ve shown so far in comparison to their next four opponents, they’re odds on favourites to do so.
April 17th 2012 @ 10:03am
Brett McKay said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
spot on Sam, as you generally are. There’s no doubt the next month shapes the competition, and as I’ve aluded to in the column, it’s probably worth revisiting these ratings a few weeks before the comp breaks for June.
All the intra-conference games essentially carry double value over the next month, too, with four points gained by a team being another four points that their rivals can’t get. The Chiefs and Reds might be best equipped to benefit from this, in that both will have been to the Republic already, and in the Reds case, the cavalry is returning. The Sharks might also fall into this category once they get back to Durban, too, where familiar surrounds should jolt them out of their current funk.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the top six come the end of Week 13 (19-20 May) looks vastly different to how it looks currently…
April 17th 2012 @ 10:23am
Will Sinclair said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Great summary, Sam.
I disagree with you on the Crusaders though – I reckon they’re specials to make the finals.
They’ve already been to South Africa, and they’ve played some of the best teams in the comp (Stormers, Chiefs, Bulls, Highlanders).
Crucially, they haven’t played any of the Aussie teams yet and, as much as it pains me to say it, they should expect to pick up some points there.
April 17th 2012 @ 10:37am
Justin said | April 17th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
I think the Highlanders will start to fold. Their game plan is hugely physical and will begin to takes its toll, in fact I think it already has. They have dropped 2 of their last 3 and were only level or behind the Rebels at home at half time.
Their match against the Blue is a must win as they could easily drop their next 3 after that.
April 17th 2012 @ 8:46am
Will Sinclair said | April 17th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
As for the Waratahs… they should just about have the Aussie conference wrapped up by now.
The losses to the Reds and Force – both games they should have won – will surely come back to hurt them.
April 17th 2012 @ 5:10pm
jameswm said | April 17th 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
I thought they were unlucky against the Highlanders – abominable reffing display hurt them, and it’s tough enough to win down there at the best of times.
Bloody Reds loss was a heartbreaker.
And in the Force game the try to AAC was actually legit, and the Tahs would probably have won the game if that was given.
They could very easily be 6 points ahead of where they are, without having played any better, and within a win of top of the comp.
April 17th 2012 @ 5:46pm
PeterK said | April 17th 2012 @ 5:46pm | Report comment
and the TPN try that was ruled a forward pass when it wasnt and the linesman was reprimanded.
Wasnt that in the reds game.