How rugby league’s rep weekend missed the mark
By Chris Chard, 23 Apr 2012 Chris Chard is a Roar Expert
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New Zealand's Issac Luke is tackled by Australia's James Tamou. AAP Image/SNPA, David Rowland
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There are a number of simple principles that are taught to junior rugby league players. Tackle low, keep your eye on the ball and don’t go to the toilet directly after applying deep heat are some basic guidelines.
For fans of rugby league though there is really only one golden rule. Always keep your expectations low.
This is not to say rugby league hasn’t produced amazing athletes, reality-defying matches and, if my Youtube history is any indication, some fantastic moments of individual brilliances over the years.
Despite recent moanings by 5-metre rule conspiracy theorists, it’s pretty clear that rugby league is actually an entertaining sport, that people like watching from time to time.
It’s just that when a game is as heavily media-entwined as rugby league, it’s very easy to fall into the trap of well, expecting certain things from a match.
The standalone rep football week just gone has been a pretty good example of this. For starters there was the James Tamou situation.
Despite previously representing New Zealand Maori, owning the complete collection of Footrot Flats and knowing more than one Dave Dobbin song, Tamou elected to play for the Kangaroos.
Which, if you believed the hype, meant big James would be getting scraped off the Eden Park turf with a spatula after Frank Pritchard’s shoulder had finished talking with him.
The reality was of course quite a bit different. Tamou came onto the field to a pretty solid booing only to make a few tackles, a couple of mild hit-ups before chugging off the ground to leave everyone at the ground wondering what to do with their empty plastic bottles.
Following the test came City versus Country. Again despite should of knowing better it was just way to easy to get up in the hype of the match.
Visions of Jarryd Hayne and Todd Carney duelling like football wielding break dancers battling it out for the coveted New South Wales five eighth position at a white picket fenced, rock hard suburban ground were just to hard to bury in the back of the mind behind the 1989 Illawarra Steelers side.
Instead both Carney and Hayne seemed to avoid the ball in the first half like it had just rolled through horse manure, the first two tries of the match were scored by a bloke who won’t ever be allowed to play Origin ever again thanks to still having Greg Inglis’ palm print still imbedded on his face and all at a ground that looked like the 18th at Augusta with a better grandstand.
And last of all were the expectations for the standalone rep weekend itself.
For a long time now there’s been a push from players as well as supporters to have a standalone test weekend so that the pinnacle of the game gets the attention it deserves, as well as not over work the players.
This was met with much enthusiasm at the release of the draw, enthusiasm that waned significantly when people realised a standalone rep footy weekend meant no NRL matches. Or footy tipping. Or Supercoach!
Sure, this is probably more a case of having a stunning lack of foresight on our behalf, but expecting the City versus Country match to carry two days of weekend sporting hype suddenly seems a little bit ambitious.
Personally to tide myself over on Saturday’s rugby league lay day I attended an out of town park rugby league match. Having stomped around the patchy paddock in my youth it’s fair to say the move was made mostly out of desperation, and my expectations of a quality spectacle were pretty modest.
To my delight I was completely wrong. The game was tight, the skill level high and the canteen pies piping warm.
Sure, none of the blokes were in my Fantasy team, but the enjoyment of rocking up to a random game not knowing any of the player’s names or club dramas was oddly refreshing.
In fact I might even go back, and I would recommend it to any footy fan feeling burnt-out by the bluff and bluster of the professional game.
I can assure you won’t be disappointed. Trust me.
Chris Chard is a sports humour writer commenting on the often absurd nature of professional sport. A rugby league fan boy with a good blend of youth and experience taking things one week at a time, Chris has written for The Roar, Rugby League Player Magazine, US Sports Downunder, the QRL and People. Tweet him @Vic_Arious

April 23rd 2012 @ 8:28am
The Cattery said | April 23rd 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
I’d like to back up the sentiment of the joy of going out to watch a good grade of amateur sport, doesn’t matter what it is, it’s a great day out.
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:30pm
mike from tari said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
Watched the Queensland Cup on Sunday, 10 times better than the City Country game, NSW will never beat Qld this year based on that performance, forwards from both sides walking back on side like Browns cows bloody disgusting!
April 23rd 2012 @ 8:49am
lemo said | April 23rd 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
At the risk of starting a code war – League is like that – its a simple game where the skill level between the pros and the amateurs are pretty close together. A bit quicker but essentially its pretty much the same standard across the board. Discuss
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:40am
Blazza said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
I don’t 100% disagree but that’s the same with every sport. The professionals just do that extra thing special, which makes them a professional.
But there’s a reason why amateur’s can’t compete against pro’s in most sports.
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:08am
Andy said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
“skill level between the pros and the amateurs are pretty close together” It depends on how talented the amateurs are but most people would be pretty poor in a normal nrl game if they played for 80 minutes. Most amateurs would not get past 20 minutes in an origin game, without causing errors, conceding tries, or being benched permanently.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:45am
PJ said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Spot on Lemo, League is a poor mans version of Rugby Union. Rugby League players arent skillful they are big. A rugby league forwrad needs to be over 100kg and run the 100 in 12 secs, that is not a skillful footballer, it is a big human who can catch a ball. Rugby League lacks creativity and 5 hit ups then a bomb or grubber kick to the corner does not make a skillful player.
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:06pm
ceebow said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
PJ – bwhahahaha you have obviously not played the game before at a competetive or rep level, cause u sound like u really have no idea about how much skill and stamina is required. i have played rep for both codes i played for randwick juniors and schoolboy zone, and league i played for south juniors and let me tell you it took double the amount of time and work to be picked for south juniors then any union rep side. union is where all the fat kids go to get exercise or the posh kids that have no backbone and scared that mumy and daddy will cut there trust funds off. If only the wallabies had the skill lvel of our nrl players we wouldnt be the laughing stock of the world. now if you hate league why come here?
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:36pm
Robbo said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
Agree ceebow PJ has obviously no idea and has never played the game. I play in the Souths comp and we have a lot of union players come for a game and all of them even admit it is a much faster, tougher game. They struggle with the fact that you are always working for 80 minutes. There are few stoppages unlike union which is very stop start. League is just non stop. You can not just get the ball out because you are too tired or too scared of getting smashed.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:46pm
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
robbo, there are many league fans on here pretend that they have all played rugby union or have all mention the same bs your trying to get away with it. both games have many stoppages just as both games have many periods where players are waking around doing nothing but dont let the truth get in the way of hatered.
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm
ceebow said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
pj – has obviously never played a game of rep or atleast competetive league in his life, he sits on his fat arse and watches a couple of league games and makes his mind up on wha it takes to play league, i played rep for both codes, union i played for randwick juniors and schoolboy zone and league i played for south juniors and it took way more skill and time to play rep for league. union is lazy and slow compared to league especially when a team decides to dominate and starve the opposition of possession, my goodness the skill levels must be so high when all you do is give the ball to forwards and watch them fall to the ground then repeat it to 20+ phases, thats if they dont milk a penalty then kick for goal. union is where all the fat kids go for exercise and rich kids go so mummy and daddy wont get mad, if only our beloved wallabies had the skill level of the kangaroos we wouldnt be the laughing stock of union just like our super15 teams.
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:31pm
Kefe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
that doesnt sound like someone who played both codes but someone who hates one of the codes.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:28pm
sledgeandhammer said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:28pm | Report comment
Sorry mate, but you and PJ are both talking shit. I assume you are a back? I played both codes too, and the toughest position I ever played was rugby union breakaway. In league you do get a break each time there is a play the ball. Try hitting a ruck or competing in a maul, then chasing down the next play, union is a very, very tough sport. However, league is a skillful sport too and you get worn down by sheer number of one on one (or 3) tackles. I think what PJ was alluding to is that there is less decision making in league, which is true to a degree.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:23pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
A rugby league five-eighth has to make far more decisions than a flyhalf in rugby union.
The ruck and maul system in rugby union isn’t rocket science. The forwards who compete in them don’t have to make complex decisions. It’s amatter of getting their first and setting a low base. Nothing hard about it at all.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:31am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:31am | Report comment
and you made all that decision from the comfort of your lounge. lol
April 25th 2012 @ 12:43am
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:43am | Report comment
I made that decision after playing both sports.
April 25th 2012 @ 1:24am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:24am | Report comment
i played both codes and i dont agree with you.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:47am
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
i played both codes at all level in nz mate. each have their own strenghts and weakness and each have their own skills but your a hardcore league fan so off course you choose that over rugby union.
April 23rd 2012 @ 4:06pm
Meesta Cool said | April 23rd 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Hey PJ Go play on Union site.. people here are intelligent enough to spot a TROLL!
What kind of twit names himself after bedtime gear anyway!
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:23pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
PJ,
You’re speaking nonsense. Rugby league forwards are highly talented athletes. Many of them are quite agile and have decent ball-playing skills — not like that of a five-eighth or a halfback, but far superior to anyone in the All-Blacks pack. Second-rowers and lock forwards don’t run forward in a straight line and try to barge their way through, which is what you seem to be implying. They deceive their opponents by starting their run in one direction, then, just before they receive the football, they alter their line. They do this after they scan the defensive line to sum up which two players are out of position and/or not communicating properly. It takes some insight and many years of experience to do all of this within a couple of seconds. He can step like a centre. There are plenty of second-rowers just like him. You won’t see line running of this callibre from rugby union fowards. Watch Sam Burgess. In rugby union it’s mostly pick and drive, with the the bloke who picks the ball up from the back of the ruck running straight into the defence, gaining about about 1 metre, if lucky. The offloading skills of rugby league forwards is a treat to watch.
The five-eighthes and halfbacks in rugby league are the best ballplayers in the world. They have great vision and excellent ball-skills, with the aadded ability of being able to step swiftly. They know when to run at the line, when to pass, how to draw a defender in and can pass 30 metres with pinpoint accuracy. Watch Thurston draw defenders inwards so he can create space from his centres. He straightens the line he runs and accelerates at the key moment to create just enough space for the centre outside of him to burst through. If he gets the timing wrong then the defence won’t be suckered in. There’s a bloke in the Queensland Cup who has this skill too. His name is Fauid. He plays five-eighth for Wynnum-Manly. He’s set up some amazing tries for the Seagulls this year. There are other ball-players in the NRL and Queensland Cup who can do this. You won’t see this very often in rugby union.
The wingers in rugby league are far more athletic than their rugby union counterparts. I dont’t recall a rugby union winger scoring a try inside of the corner post while every other part of their body was in the area and over the touchline. I see this in the NRL and Queensland Cup on an almost weekly basis.
The full-backs in rugby league are excellent ball players. Watch a Matty Bowen or a Billy Slater some time. They know when to inject themselves into the backline as a first or second-receiver so they can create an opportunity for the outside backs. Wynnum-Manly have a bloke who isn’t too far way from making it big in the NRL. His name is Loxley. He’s combined with Fauid to score some amazing tries this year.
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:35pm
Kefe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:35pm | Report comment
you obviously dont watched many rugby union competition qgirl. then why are the nrl clubs chasing nz schools rugby union players than the ones playing league?
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:41pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:41pm | Report comment
NRL clubs chase athletic schoolchildren because they are still young enough to make the transition to rugby league. They don’t chase ageing rugby union players from Super 15.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:28am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:28am | Report comment
no, but they chase aging ex nrl players like clinton toopi and willie mason who couldnt get jobs in other codes.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:50am
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:50am | Report comment
Mason was signed by a French rugby union club after he was released by an English rugby league club.
April 25th 2012 @ 1:13am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:13am | Report comment
yes, and only played one game for toulon before he was sent down to third grade footy and his contract not long after that. now hes back in the nrl. the same thing happen to clinton toopi in the bay of plenty itm cup a few years ago before he was released and got pick up by the titans.
April 26th 2012 @ 5:36pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 26th 2012 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
Toopi didn’t play many games for the Titans. He spent most of his time in the Queensland Cup. He was just there as cover for the Titans because they had low stocks in their centres.
Mason is only there as cover for the first-string and second-string props.
April 24th 2012 @ 7:21am
Crosscoder said | April 24th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
Possibly Kefe ,for the same reason ru chases rl coaches such as Blake,Muggleton and players such as Beale as a kid,Rogers,Barnes,Tuqiri,Sailor,Blacklock,and Tahu(despite some not making the grade),just as some of the NZ ru schools ‘players don’t make the grade.Both codes go where the numbers are.
To the troll who claimed rl forwards have no skills,have a quiet chat with Gallen,Mateo and even de Gois.Too many head knocks methinks.
.It is not even worth discussing backs except to mention names Slater, D Cherry Evans,Thuston,Bowen,Foran,Uate,Hayne, and the list goes on.No need to mention their athleticism,their range of skills,their abilty to bring crowds to their feet.Only the ignorant would suggest otherwise.
PJ and lemo nice names for a comedy team or a morning breakfast show.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:40am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:40am | Report comment
April 24th 2012 @ 10:53am
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
i dont think the waratahs or the aru chase beale as a kid but i know many nrl clubs chasing nz schoolboys union players including ten kids playing 1st xv for my sons auckland school.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:14pm
Crosscoder said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
Kefe.he was a junior rl player from the Penrith area,given a scholarship to a school where it was thought he would make an excellent ru player,which proved the case.
Its called opportunity, most of the schools in Nz don’t play rl,and therefore most of the kids don’t get the opportunity to play top grade football.No one is forcing them.eg McGahan and Umaga.
Anycase most of these kids don’t get into an NRL team straight away,they have to earn the position from the u18 or u20,and even then there is no guarantee.
There are talent scouts from various codes attending schoolboy games .That is the realitypof pro sport.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
thanks for clarify that cc i know bearle was selected by a rugby union school not by the aru or nswru.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:13pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:13pm | Report comment
Wasn’t Jonah Lomu rugby league junoir?
Very few rugby union wingers can say they made a one-on-one tackle on Lomu. More often than not he would run over them as if they were a little kid. There’s no way he would have been able to burst through tackles like that in rugby league.
Umaga is another rugby league junior. He captained the All-Blacks.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:46am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:46am | Report comment
are you talking about the same lomu and umaga who played rep rugby union footy for wellington and auckland since the age of nine? many wingers in the npc and super 12 comp tackle jonah lomu one-on-one thats why he doesnt hold any try scoring records in both comps. some of the biggest hits on lomu was by a player describe by kiwi legend mark graham as the best tackler in any code by the name of brian “chiropractor” lima.
April 25th 2012 @ 12:52am
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 25th 2012 @ 12:52am | Report comment
Tana Umaga was born in Lower Hutt to Samoan immigrant parents, and grew up playing rugby league.[5][6] Umaga played for the Wainuiomata Lions and rose through the ranks, making the Wellington U-16 and U-17 sides, and was eventually named in the Junior Kiwi side of 1991.[7][8] That same year he signed with the Newcastle Knights but within three weeks was back on the plane to New Zealand because of homesickness.[6][9] He never did play a First-Grade NRL game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tana_Umaga#Early_life
April 25th 2012 @ 1:40am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:40am | Report comment
lets hope those league fans who wrote publish league related stuff on wiki remember to also include tana umaga rugby union profile when he played rep footy for wellington under 9 to under 15 and also for parkway college and scots college 1st xv and wellington schools.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:42pm
sledgeandhammer said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:42pm | Report comment
Rugby league forwards have skills far superior to anyone in the All Blacks pack? I take it this was a joke? That must be the most off the mark comment I’ve ever read on this site.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:19pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:19pm | Report comment
I’d like to see a compilation video of All-Blacks forwards stepping like a centre three-quarter just before the line, offloading the ball while they have 4 big blokes on top of them, and, having the vision and skill to throw an accurate spin pass to their centre three-quarters when there’s a defender out of position. I’ve never seen a rugby union foward do any of these things. Never.
I’ve watched heaps of rugby union games in my life — played a few too — so if it is so common then how come I have never seen it?
The only thing rugby union forwards do is tackle — poorly, which is the reason why almost every “good” union team has a former rugby league player teaching them the basics of tackling — and running the ball very awkwardly at the defence after they pick it up from the base of the ruck, set scrums that need to be reset about 5 times due to improper formation, and, compete at the breakdown. They don’t step, they don’t palm, they don’t offload and they don’t have any vision. They’re boring and unskilled when compared with rugby league forwards.
April 25th 2012 @ 1:04am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:04am | Report comment
watching australian union teams isnt world rugby union qgirl. try this bloke from samoa a forward in both 15′s and 7′s. let me know if you want some more because theres more of where that came from and i havent even got to the fijians, tongans, english let alone the all blacks.
April 26th 2012 @ 5:34pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 26th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
Looks like most of his tackle bursts, poor kicks and average offloads were produced during a 7′s game. Not hard to do that when there’s only 7 opponents to play against. I’d like to see him do it against 13 opponents.
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:27am
Brian McGee said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
“Visions of Jarryd Hayne and Todd Carney duelling like football wielding break dancers battling it out for the coveted New South Wales five eighth position” – Do you know anything about Rugby League and NRL?
April 23rd 2012 @ 8:00pm
Chris Chard said | April 23rd 2012 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
Hi Brian
Ahh with that one I was talking about the flashy skills both players are known for and how despite playing as part of teams, a big part of their game was the 1 on 1 battle for the 5/8th position…. rather than actually expecting Todd and Hayne to stand in the middle of a circle on the 50m line and do the electric boogaloo.
That may or may not answer your question ha ha
Cheers
CC
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:45am
Bulldog said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Chris – maybe you have hit on the great gift of this weekend of NRL rep footy without realising it, that is you attended a local rugby league game rather than sitting on your couch and watching it through the cracked prism of the Channel 9 NRL coverage. On top of that you enjoyed it and hopefully you will go back again. Everyone jumps up an down about supporting grassroots football across all codes and the NRL gave people that opportunity.
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:20am
Mals said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Well said Bulldog. Perfect opportunity to go support your local park footy team!
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:29am
Gareth said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
It’d be good to see the clubs and park footy sides getting together on a good opportunity here. Flash a club membership at the gate and get a free pie and can of drink. As long as the NRL club is footing the bill.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:14pm
crip said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
I was going to say the same thing!
April 23rd 2012 @ 8:01pm
Chris Chard said | April 23rd 2012 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
^^^^^This x 1000!
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:36am
oikee said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Yes, and i really enjoyed watching the East Tigers verse Mackay cutters played at my old stomping ground, Langlands park at Coorparoo. The huge tiger was a highlight, the game very tight.
Another thing i noticed also, the amount of players who were out injured and should be back because of the rest week-end.
All the games on the week-end were pretty close as well. 2 points between young origins, and city country, and the test match was close enough.
Not a bad weekend.
By all means get to a local game, some of the best times are to be had at these grounds.
April 23rd 2012 @ 4:13pm
Meesta Cool said | April 23rd 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
I just love going to Burleigh Bears game when we visit Queensland, I am a member and always have a great time at the ground and in their club… Burleigh’s Club would be great in Stormland!.
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April 23rd 2012 @ 11:51am
Rugby League Nut said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I like the idea of a stand-a-lone weekend for international rugby league.
They just need to expand the concept and also have Samoa V Tonga and US V Cook Islands on Saturday night. Have Fiji v Papua New Guinea on Sunday afternoon along with the City v Country match.
Everyone’s a winner!
International Rugby League gets more exposure. Emerging Teams get more games and support. People at home get to watch different styles of Rugby League on TV. Broadcasters are happy as they still have content for TV.
April 23rd 2012 @ 3:46pm
Go warriors said | April 23rd 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
Totally agree RLN they should of played many more internationals this weekend. It was the perfect oppurtunity for it. There are so many countries that now play RL we should be promoting this.
April 23rd 2012 @ 8:02pm
Chris Chard said | April 23rd 2012 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
Totally agree too, maybe even align it with the Nthn Hemisphere tests?
April 24th 2012 @ 9:34pm
Ted Skinner said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
The Under 20 SOO was a good game also.
BTW if the union skill set is so good why do they employ so many former RL coaches & players in the coaching ranks.
The final 8 teams of the RUWC in 2003 all had RL people on the coaching staff except for NZ.
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:28pm
Kefe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:28pm | Report comment
is that samoa vs tonga with australian and nz passport holders?
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:03pm
The Truth of Europe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:03pm | Report comment
Good Call Kefe, and they can only be selected from the Super League and NRL.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:33am
Go warriors said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Atleast they have Tongan and Samoan heritage. Why wouldnt Samoans or Tongans come to Australia and play NRL. There are more oppurtunities here. Before you start throwing stones please look at your own farcical world cup. Do you want to talk about the Japanese rugby team or should I say the not so Japanese rugby team. How many foreigners in their side. A lot of scraps from other countries not good enough to play for their own country. James Arlidge played for the Auckland Blues about 10 years ago. Geez i am sure he grew up with the childhood dream of playing for Japan instead of the all blacks.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
you forgot to mention the fact that samoan and tongans league players with nz passports coming from nz to play and work in australia. last time i looked there were 12 japanese born players playing for japan in their last rugby world cup game with a few overseas players who qualify through residency rules. when will we see 12 born tongan or samoan players in their international league team or even 12 local players? at least james alidge played in the local japanese comp for over 7 years and probably carry a japs passport with him the same cant be said of the togan or samoan rugby league teams.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:37am
Go warriors said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
I think you will find those Samoan and Tongan players would find your comments very disrespectable. Those players would have an enormous amount of pride playing for Samoa or Tonga. They come from a long line of Samoan and Tonga heritage they can relate to. Ofcourse there a lot of pacific islanders living in NZ and Australia. They come for the better oppurtunities and who can blame them.
I think you are bit hypocritical having a go at the samoan league team and then trying to justify the farcical Japanese team. So what if some of the players have qualified because of residential rule. The residential rule is a load of rubbish. It does not make you Japanese. Being either born and raised in Japan or being bought up with Japanese heritage makes you Japanese. Passports dont mean squat either. If going by your theory beaver Menzies would be eligible for France even though he was born, raised and spent most of his life in Australia and even played for Australia. In union this would be perfectable acceptable but if happened in league it would be a farce. Double standards I think.
April 24th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Stevie said | April 24th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Well said Go warriors. According to the rah rahs if a player with Samoan, Tongan, Lebanese heritage was raised in a family with a long line of Samoan, Tongan and Lebanese heritage then it is a farce but it is perfectly acceptable for a rugby player eg James Arlidge to be born and raised in NZ to a NZ family, played all his junior rugby in NZ and then move to Japan for a few years and all of sudden he is Japanese.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:55pm
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
lets not go all emotions warriors but if your going to select players from nz and australia to represent samoa and tonga then whats the point of having a local comp let alone international league when you can just have heritage league from players in the nrl and superleague. menzies can play for france so as the other four or five other aussies playing there but as long as there are local french players in the team like the japanese rugby team who had 26 japanese born players in their 2011 rwc squad of 32. i bet you didnt know that you made it sound like there were only six japanese and the rest were kiwis.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:12pm
crip said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
More reasons to attend local football:
It costs bugger all sometimes even free, There’s more chance of seeing a donny brook or two, you don’t have to move every five minutes for someone to push past on the way to buying beer, beer is reasonably priced, you can get a car park, you can get real football food (pies), No FM radio spruikers, It’s played during the day and the kids can have a run around.
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:16pm
Fotu said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
That may be your experience. Mine was totally different. I played Harold Matthews for Balmain and went to a GPS school for year 11 and 12 and never made the first xv. If our NRL players had so much skill we wouldn’t have lost a world cup final to a team whereby half of them wouldn’t play NPC level rugby in NZ
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April 23rd 2012 @ 3:43pm
Robbo said | April 23rd 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Fotu that is rubbish the kiwis are quality side and most of them would easily switch to rugby and make it to the top if they wanted to. Geez if Brad Thorne aged 36 can still play for the all blacks it cant be that hard. That is why when NRL players switch codes it normally takes only a handful of games before they play internationals.
There would not be one rugby player that would swith to league and play for the Kangaroos or even state of origin after a few games. League is by far the superior code.
April 23rd 2012 @ 9:52pm
Kefe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 9:52pm | Report comment
was that the same brad thorn who played pinnacle of rugby league “SOO” at 34 or 35? if you take out the nrl players like sailor, rogers, tuqiri and tahu who were paid by the ARU on huge contracts then you are left failures like mcgoldrick, peter ryan, willie carne, nathan blacklock, clinton schifcofske who didnt walk into the wallabies like you said. your just dreaming unless you actually see it happening then you cant said it wont happen.
April 24th 2012 @ 7:25am
Crosscoder said | April 24th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Because the ru authorities were so astute(LOL) to purchase these players. It says little about the abiltity of rah rah talent scouts and the ineptness of the ARU in outlaying huge sums.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:14am
Robbo said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Kefe Brad Thorne went back to League in 2005 to 2007. He last played state of origin in 2005 aged 30 so stop making up facts. He is now aged 37 and still the first picked for the all blacks. Geez he will probably be 40 and still a shoe in for the all blacks. I would love to see how many 40 year olds could play for the Kiwis, Kangaroos, state of O or even just NRL.
Even average league players like ryan cross, berrick barnes made the Wannabies in no time. Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt England have over 600,000 registered rugby players yet their best player is Shontayne Hape an ex league player that League no longer wanted.
Anyway I am not sure why this article has turned into a code war. It has nothing to do with union yet all these paranoid union fans are on talking nonsense.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:28am
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
LOL showsa how much you know about rugby union. brad thorns playing rugby in ireland than probably makes more money than any nrl player in japan after that. im sure petro civanacevo might get there i mean many are syaing hes the best prop in the game but i gussing willie mason can still come back from 49 and still play nrl level.
yes, anyone who played nrl are average players according to you but good on former rugby union juniors barnes and cross for making it. is that the same shontay hape that have been dump by his club and from the england team after last years rugby world cup? LOL
April 24th 2012 @ 11:54am
Robbo said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
You are right I dont know that much about union. That is because after watching it for 10 minutes I have normally fallen asleep. It is only average NRL players such as Berrick Barnes, Ryan Cross etc or players that have past it Shontayne Hape, Brad Thorne etc that convert because they know they will never play State of Origin again or for the Kangaroos. They know at best all they will be is an average NRL player struggling to stay in the team.
That is why they go to union because they know they can atleast make a name for themselves and it make it to the top in little to no time at all.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:28pm
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
thanks for answering my post typical of someone belittile another football code. you must fall asleep watching american football as well, to bad over 200 million yankees dont think you need speed and propaganda for a successful football code. yes everyone in the nrl is average just like willie mason couldnt get a game in the french top 14 and hes now named to play nrl this week.
i didnt know shontay hape was in line to be pick for state of origin or australia. LOL they go to rugby union so they can get reconised for their talents worldwide.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:05pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:05pm | Report comment
“they go to rugby union so they can get reconised for their talents worldwide.”
The average convert does it for money and the opportunity to travel to more countries. Another reason they do it is because rugby league is a faster, tougher, more skillful sport. If you were given the opportunity to get paid more than you do at your current job, while performing far less work than you’re doing at your current job, then wouldn’t you take up the offer?
April 25th 2012 @ 1:49am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:49am | Report comment
yes, then every rugby league and rugby union player will be playing american football with less skills, slower pace, water breaks every four seconds and not touch the ball at all and more than ten times more money. WOW
April 23rd 2012 @ 10:06pm
The Truth of Europe said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:06pm | Report comment
NZ league lives off the scraps from Union……. Short memory, don’t forget 40 Wallabies made it as Kangaroos before Union saw the light and paid players.
April 24th 2012 @ 7:28am
Crosscoder said | April 24th 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
“Saw the light and paid players”.Obviously one has never heard the term”shamateurism” in operation from the 50s .
The lilly whites.Please!!!
April 24th 2012 @ 9:23am
Go warriors said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
The Truth of Europe. NZ league lives off the scraps from union. Where did you get that nonsense from. In Auckland the Warriors get the cream of crop and the scraps stay in rugby. If you want proof how the Auckland Blues going. They have gone from being the best rugby province in the world to the biggest joke team in super 15.
Do you want me to tell you how the warriors are going. Last year they had 3 teams in the grand final. Their u20s have won two premierships in a row. The warriors have the best development system in the comp. They also have two billionaires running the club. They will squash the blues into the ground.
April 26th 2012 @ 6:51pm
Emric said | April 26th 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
LOL…
Oh Go Warriors you seriously need to stay off the drugs – If the warriors were truly getting the “cream” of New Zealand rugby then they would dominate the NRL
The reality is neither the blues or the warriors are doing very well.
April 24th 2012 @ 4:07pm
Kefe said | April 24th 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
the cream of the crops are in rugby union thats why the warriors wants piece of it. so in your sad little world rugby league wins in auckland when the blues are doing bad? LOL
i bet the warriors had something to do with the highlanders and chiefs performances in the last ten years as well and i didnt know eric watson was a billionaire. LOL
April 24th 2012 @ 10:08pm
Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:08pm | Report comment
Every time a rugby league team plays a rugby union team from a comparable competition (IE. high school vs high school or a grade vs a grade or amateur vs amateur) in a in a rugby union and rugby league game, the rugby league game wins overall. The union team will get flogged by about 100 points when they play league. The union team might win by 30 or so points when they play union.
April 26th 2012 @ 6:53pm
Emric said | April 26th 2012 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
QGirl in Australia perhaps – in New Zealand its a different matter
April 25th 2012 @ 1:59am
Kefe said | April 25th 2012 @ 1:59am | Report comment
when rugby union went professional i dont remember st helens winning against sale or st helens and london broncons winning the dubai sevens club comps when they took part. surprisingly last month i watched a sevens tournament at ballymore where nudgee college beat wavell high in the sevens twice in pool game and in the finals with all wavell high teams made up of all met-norths rugby league squad and one player playing sgball for the roosters. didnt a 2nd division rugby union school in sydney beat national school rugby league champions keebra park in the hybryd game? LOL
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:50pm
Phil Coorey said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
This weekend was a joke – both games were delayed – the game is kidding itself with this rep crap – move the damn Origin to October as well and play a proper season of League
April 23rd 2012 @ 2:53pm
Johnno said | April 23rd 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
I love international league I hope it survives.
-But 2 points to come out of it.
-They must move 2 , the 2 ref rule in test matches
-And rugby league i think needs to move from 10 to 8 interchanges