With ARU incentives cut, what keeps elite players in Australia?
By Kris_Anderson, 23 Apr 2012 Kris_Anderson is a Roar Rookie
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Australian rugby union is reducing the amount of salary top-ups offered to elite Australian players. Last year they offered 50 to our country’s best, now there are only 26.
The reduction is a result of cost-cutting to compensate for financial losses organisation-wide.
Overseas competitions, especially Japan and France, are tempting our elite players with offers they may not be able to resist if the situation stays the same in the future.
The average elite rugby player has 10, maybe 15 years at best to make the most out of his career. There is simply not enough time to turn down better offers.
The Queensland Reds nearly lost their famous fraternal duo Anthony and Saia Fainga’a last month to Japanese and French clubs. Much to Coach Ewan McKenzie’s pleasure the brothers stayed out of loyalty.
Not all of these mid-tier players will have the same attitude. Sooner or later we will see players leave their homes and play overseas.
The real question is how the Australian Rugby Union will rectify this issue, not only for the sake of the players themselves but for the spectators of the game. Rugby union in Australia has enough competition at home without threats from overseas.
Australian rugby union needs to work on behind-the scenes-issues like advertising and grassroots programs to strengthen the support of the game. More crowds mean more revenue and an overall boost in the popularity of rugby union. This way there may be a possibility that the players will be paid enough for them to stay.
Money seems to be thrown at the top end of the game rather than the bottom.
An Australian team won the Super Rugby trophy in 2011 and still we are unable to recognise our top players. Resolving this problem could prove tough. The game was more popular during our last Super Rugby win from the Brumbies in 2004.
The other big issue is how the ARU classifies an elite player: by international caps, popularity or simply ability?
We are going to see much more emphasis on selection and way more competition. Every position in the Wallabies squad can be filled by players with equal ability. It’s simply not acceptable for these bench players to go without the recognition that they deserve.
Private sponsorship could remedy these issues. Enabling players to seek private sponsorship could give them that boost and incentive to stay in Australian teams.
Finding a solution for these issues will always be difficult, but something has to be done and that lost finance must be found soon before its too late and we lose the players that we love. Until Australian rugby gives elite players what they want, the Wallabies are going to lose players overseas.
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April 23rd 2012 @ 10:58am
Adam said | April 23rd 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Another big problem that nobody has mentioned is the NRL and the Toyota cup. As Kingplaymaker has mentioned many times the ARU can not compete against RL. They are just too powerfull. Any youngster say between 17-18 not quite ready for super 15 is most likely going to be picked up the toyota cup. In a way I can not really blame the players either they need to take whatever opportunity comes their way. I can imagine it will only get worse when the NRL signs the much anticipated 1 billion tv deal and the competition expands with another two teams.
This will only have a further negative effect on Australian rugby. Even in Auckland this is having a massive impact.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:06am
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
adam – how is this having a massive impact on auckland?
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:43am
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Its not just rugby league. The AFL has made it abundently clear it’s happy to take athletically talented 17-18 year olds, and see if it can turn them into footballers.
Australian rugby simply needs to do what it takes to get a national, week-in, week-out club competition.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:06pm
sheek said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Ian,
It seems we won’t get a national comp of any description until some kind of circuit-breaker forces the arm of the ARU.
What will that be? When the bottom well & truly falls out of the game??
Premier rugby clubs are bleeding financially, most of the super rugby franchises are bleeding financially, & for all the positive talk of the ARU, Australian rugby is well & truly struggling behind AFL & NRL.
We can’t continue to keep doing things the same way since 1996, or 1949, or 1900. I think that for Australian rugby to go forward in the future, we need to totally reassess the set-up of our domestic structures, the governance, & the distribution of any wealth.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:27pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
sheek I was in general a supporter of John O’Neill but increasingly I am beginning to wonder. From his point of view I can understand that as he is about to retire he doesn’t want to take risks, but wasn’t he in charge of the ARU at the crucial time when the current misguided format was brought into being? I perhaps wonder a little if is such a bold pioneer.
My point being, perhaps the change of leadership next year could be the circuit-breaker you describe.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:45am
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Adam with the increased number of Super teams in Australia they are able to ship out talented players more and more, or rather, younger and younger. They don’t need to wait in the Waratahs academy for years until the log-jam of established players clears. So rugby is making better and better use of its playing numbers by offering more of them contracts young before the NRL/Toyota cup can get to them.
The problem with this of course is that it only touches the tip of the ice-berg, and that the teams to which these young players are shipped out are not on-site. So it’s much easier for a player to take an NRL contract, which in any case are given very young. Now of course if there were say four teams in NSW and two in QLD or more then at a young age teenagers could be given contracts and the Toyota Cup and NRL offering of contracts could be beaten. In a perfect world all the Super squads would be halved tomorrow, the numbers of teams doubled, and I think very quickly in all three countries the teams would rise to the same standard as the current ones, such is the infinite number of players and areas that could be developed. As it is, they have to expand one by one after tremendous arguments over which country and so forth. It’s all happening far too slow as the other codes race ahead.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:59am
PJ said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Well said Adam, if you look into the Toyota Cup teams you will see many for Schoolboy rugby players running around in Toyota Cup. Hymel Hunt & Lausi Taliaulai, Peter Norman, Shaun Carney all former GPS 1stXV players in Brisbane now playing Toyota Cup for the Titans. I think you will find this at the majority of NRL clubs.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:03pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
PJ it would be very interesting to know how many young Australian rugby players are in the NRL i.e. ex-schoolboys, state representatives, academy players etc..there must be endless numbers.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:29am
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
mania think of all the Auckland raised NRL players and indeed others drawn in by the Warriors. All these players could be playing rugby union in New Zealand.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:35am
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
KPM – there isnt that much of a league presence in NZ. cant think of a single warrior that i would like to play for my team. not many league players for that matter, except for maybe billySlater
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:47am
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
mania I think you’re exaggerating a little. SBW and Benji Marshall are obvious All Black quality, let alone Super rugby quality, and there are probably two or three others who could make the All Blacks, all coming out of Auckland and not going to rugby. That’s just All Black level too: there are probably a couple of Super teams worth of talent in NZ-produced rugby league.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:10pm
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
SBW is slowly becoming a very good rugby player but its taken a few years. Benji cant tackle so would be a liability. name some more KPM
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:20pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
mania the point is not how wonderful or not these players are but that there are plenty of good players in Auckland who go to league and not union. As I said in a previous article a privately-owned Super team or two in Auckland who immediately reverse this situation and NZRU would walk off with every single player in New Zealand.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:24pm
thurl said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
The Warriors can’t even make one team out of local talent, let alone two. How many Aussies have they signed over the years??
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:30pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
thurl the figure you need is the total number of NRL players from all the teams raised in New Zealand. This will show how much talent there is, as many of them go or end up going to other teams.
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:53pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:53pm | Report comment
Thurl,
Its a club side, not a rep side.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:35am
Adam said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Mania have you not been watching the blues. Have you not seen the state of Auckland rugby. In 1996 when the super 12 started Auckland was hands down the best rugby province in the world. now they are the laughing stock of the Super 15. Even buying two all blacks from Wellington has done nothing to help them.
Now lets look at the warriors. Last year they had all 3 teams in the Grand final. The Kiwis were also world champions and reining 4 nations champions. Do you really think the warriors success has not been one of the main reasons for the shambles for Auckland rugby. Lets not beat around the bush it has had an enormouse effect. The city is both competing for the same athletes. The warriors have a much more proffesional set up than what the blues have. They have an under 20s comp for the youngsters. If you have not noticed there a lot of talented players coming straight from the 1st 15 from elite rugby schools. Then when they get to the age of 21 and they may not be ready for first grade the have the Vulcans so they have a very good system for blooding players.
Add to the fact the warriors have 2 billionaires involved in the club and the new tv deal which will increase the salary cap. All of this will have a further impact on Auckland rugby. Do you not agree this a problem
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:16pm
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
actually adam i’ve watched all the blues games. the problem with the blues is not a lack of players, they have an abundance of past and present AB’s. the problem with the blues is too many dropped balls, lack of pride and team work. warriors have nothing to do with the demise of the blues. thats just simplistic.
the success of the kiwi’s at the WC was perserverance and luck. in that game the ball was just bouncing in their favour. kiwi’s havent replicated that performance post wc and have been only consistently losing.
yes i’m sure the warriors have a great set up, but missed out on signing SBW up when he was 16.
the extra money the warriors get wont be spent on developing grassroots league it’ll be spent on buying more aus players.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:33pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
‘the extra money the warriors get wont be spent on developing grassroots league’ but that’s exactly what league spends its money on and very effectively. In terms of player recruitment too expect them to inceasingly target young All Blacks age group players with big offers, or teenagers who may not have made All Black age group teams that are obviously talent. Now the NZRU could easily put a stop to all this but…
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:42pm
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
actually KPM the issues you propose are an aussie issue. As long as the AB’s are dominant in world rugby then kids will always prefer to play union. the difference for aus is the kangaroo’s are the allBlacks of league.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:50pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
mania if the NRL is rich enough and can offer young NZ players 4 times the amount of money for junior contract, that can all change. Look at Israel Folau and Karmichael Hunt, despite being at the top of the tree in league moving to a sport they couldn’t possibly have any interest in solely for money.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:10pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Kingplaymaker,
It isnt just the NRL. Read this
http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20100820222013387
Note that there is a good argument that the NPC is a “recognised elite competition’.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:23pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Ian indeed and the ARU and NZRU instead of following such news with desperate action loll on their laurels like oriental despots in the misguided view that they are safe and everything is rosy.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:40pm
sheek said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Ian,
When I was about 16-17, East Sydney Bulldogs, as they were then, attempted to introduce Australian football into the private eastern suburbs school I attended.
As it was, apart from a handful of day students, only the boarders showed any interest. We played scratch games over two years before the experiment was canned. East Sydney were truly before their time.
Anyway, they asked me if I was interested in playing Australian football down at East Sydney. I was a reasonable ruckman, & a good marker (both catching & spoiling), but as a rugby forward, I was a hopeless kick.
They obviously seemed to like the raw material in me, & thought they could teach me to kick well eventually. However, I loved my rugby too much, & declined the offer, chuffed as I was.
I mention this only because if I was a rugby union or league player today, then Australian football would be an attractive alternative. One that I would give serious consideration to.
Because AFL is the best run comp & most valued footy code in Australia.
April 23rd 2012 @ 6:58pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 6:58pm | Report comment
Sheek,
Thats pretty similar to Lewis Roberts-Thomson’s story, except in his case, he had a look at how many teams from each code needed a reasonably tall, lanky guy who could jump. There were about eight jobs for someone like that in rugby union, and each of sixteen AFL sides could use ten, maybe twelve of them.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:36am
NF said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
‘All these players could be playing rugby union in New Zealand.’ Choice is this a word you unionists ever heard of in particular you KPM who wants all the leaguies in Australia to play union of sudden with your constant talk of league converts and deathriding rugby league just accept the fact that not everyone will be playing rugby you rah rah.
April 23rd 2012 @ 11:54am
Emric said | April 23rd 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
To start
I want to appologise as a New Zealander for the digraceful comments made by Jock Anderson. He is obviously a small minded man who wants to get his name better known by being offensive. As a kiwi I have nothing but the highest regard for Australia’s military personal who served in all wars.
Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest
Adam – if you think that the Warriors being successful has been the main reason for the failure of Auckland rugby then your proving all the fear mongers correct (including myself) New Zealand does not have the player resources to sustain League and Union one must kill the other for the good of the nations pride.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:18pm
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
emric – i agree except for the part “New Zealand does not have the player resources to sustain League and Union one must kill the other for the good of the nations pride”. there should always be a place for league. diversity makes us stronger and guarantees survival.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:23pm
kingplaymaker said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
mania you have to remember that the NRL is rich and ambitious, under threat from the AFL (those two points sound contradictory but aren’t), will have a billion dollar TV deal soon, and would love to plunder as much NZ talent as it can. The codes compete for the same athletes and fans and one will try to take over the other.
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:55pm
mania said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
been there argued that KPM. league isnt the bogey man u make out to be. so what if league does. adversity will bring out competition and competition breeds champions. the issues you espouse are aussie issues and that is because the kangaroo’s like the AB’s are the best in the world. doesnt help that aus doesnt have a grassroots rugby either but again, been there argued that.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:32pm
clipper said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
The big difference mania is that the AB’s are an immense source of pride for most Kiwis, as they have punched above their weight for most of their time and are genuine world beaters – a big fish in a big pond, if you like – were as the Kangaroos are the pond. Most other countries would easily associate the All Blacks with New Zealand, but the only Kangaroos they associate Australia with are the furry ones that get rubbery if you cook them for too long.
April 24th 2012 @ 5:02am
mania said | April 24th 2012 @ 5:02am | Report comment
bit harsh on the kangaroos clipper. i agree that the source of my national pride is the fact that the AB’s come from lil ol NZ yet have consistently been amonst the best on the world stage. this kiwi’s take very seriously hence why all the mums dads coaches and suporters give so much time to grassroots.
your opinion of the kangaroo’s is possibly correct but for me they are the best of the best.
April 23rd 2012 @ 6:52pm
p.Tah said | April 23rd 2012 @ 6:52pm | Report comment
How many ABs moved to RL when rugby was amateur? I don’t think there will be a mass exodus if League gets a big pay day.
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:01pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:01pm | Report comment
p. Tah,
The issue isnt about a mass exodus – the issue is kids moving codes before they become All Blacks.
I’d be a lot happier paying twenty five players $300k each, and a hundred potentially good kids twenty grand per, than paying twenty five players $400k each.
There are various ways rugby union could do this under the existing structure, of course, but it’s the worst administered code in Australia, so they wont.
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:28pm
p.Tah said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:28pm | Report comment
They’re actually doing a pretty decent job. It could always been done better but the ARU ‘contracts’ about 750 kids between the ages 14 -18. If they are good, the ARU will more than likey keep them.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/aru-strikes-it-rich-with-young-stars-20110611-1fy1i.html
April 23rd 2012 @ 12:45pm
warren said | April 23rd 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
The point of the article is more about what will happen to those fringe Wallaby players if they get a better deal. The NRL does not have the talent pool to sustain another 2 sides so I see any new sides will at least be looking to good quality RU backs who have traditionally made a better transition to the code. Although it could be argued that the RU player may still get more with a French or English club and prefer to play their own code the lure of staying at home close to family & friends is also important.
I have family in NZ and travel to the country 4-5 times a year for business. The Warriors now have a foothold but the code itself will be limited by the money it needs to set up an additional team. It now costs at least 12M a year to put a team on the paddock and even the millionaires behind the Warriors are not going to top up a side in Wellington or Christchurch by at least 5M a year on the hope that the code will eventually take a larger proportion of the NZ sporting market..
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:03pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:03pm | Report comment
Warren,
A $200m a year TV contract with 60% going to each of 20 clubs turns into $6m a year.
Add $4m from corporate sponsorship.
Add $2m in gate money.
There’s your $12m a year.
April 23rd 2012 @ 1:06pm
aussieinnz said | April 23rd 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
The whole concept of only letting local players play for their country if they also play for rugby union’s franchises is short sighted and quite frankly an offensive restraint of trade. The result is that the ‘national’ team in Aus and NZ is in reality the local rugby union’s team- with many national players not being able to play for their country and a whole lot of Pacfic Island players pressued into turning their backs on their own country to make themselves eligable to Aus/NZ. If like SA we biffed these restrictions you will find that local players wll not be worth as much overseas due to having to make themselves available for their country and there will not be much of an exodus- maybe the opposite. In any case if any go as a result it will only make way for other young players back home and expand the player base for the national team. The rugby public needs to stand up to the Rugby Unions and make it clear that we will not stand for having our national sides hijacked to protect the commercial interests of their franchises!
April 23rd 2012 @ 3:35pm
Johnno said | April 23rd 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
This leads to a bigger question and the soccer theory to.
-All roads lead to Europe) like the south american soccer stars majority play in europe)
-Australia, NZ, and othe pacific island nations will all simply just become production lines to the richer Europe clubs and Japan, and bigger Asian nations, and the USA in good time too.
-We see it in soccer with our best stars playing in europe, middle east, and in Asia.
-In rugby the pacify island nations best players don’t play locally (Fiji,Samoa,Tonga)
-And we will see the same here in Aust, NZ over the next 10 years.
-By 2025 I think at least 80% of the current wallabies will play in over seas comps.
-Unless australia becomes part of a Asian super comp, or a larger SH super comp, then Europe, Japan, USA will just get stinger as there comps divisions expand, and Aust,NZ, the NRL, Fiji,Samoa,Tonga will simply just be production lines to developed alert for the larger countries competitions and divisions.
-Just like we see in soccer,.
-money talks it is the major influence in pro sport
-And in soccer we will see in rugby too. Foriegn clubs setting up academies here or buying local rugby clubs, or having free trade or transfer agreements with local clubs, over the next 20-35 years.
-The rugby landscape in Aust,NZ in 2025 will be very different I am certain of that
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:55pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
Johnno,
More simply, professional sports people will play in comps where enough people pay money to see them.
Because very few Australians want to pay money to see rugby union, its unlikely to have a lot of professional rugby union players.
April 23rd 2012 @ 6:56pm
p.Tah said | April 23rd 2012 @ 6:56pm | Report comment
As the money in Rugby grows overseas Australia will have more and more professional rugby players… Just not all of them will play here.
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:10pm
sheek said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Johnno,
One thing that might save Australia & NZ, is that Europe, especially the Brits, are also struggling. Many leading rugby clubs over there are bleeding money. It’s not just an Aussie, or Kiwi, problem.
And Japan, while the money is good, has a short season & the standard of course, leaves a bit to be desired for the seriously ambitious rugby player.
But I guess it’s fair to say, things can’t, or won’t stay the same as they are at present.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:15pm
Ben S said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:15pm | Report comment
The ‘Brit’ rugby clubs aren’t bleeding money at all. There’s issues with the Welsh sides, but not the English sides.
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:11pm
Jack said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
Instead of figuring out how to share out an ever decreasing pie, the ARU should think about increasing the revenue, short and long term. Crowds at Canberra Stadium have halved the last 10 years. Part of it is the poor form of the team. A lot has to do with the boring Rugby served up, ball in hand will bring the crowds, kicking duals have emptied the stands. On occasions I have spare tickets on the 10 yard sideline and I cannot give them away. Seriously – my AFL and League mates came once and were amazied that we would pay $70 per game for this crap. They won’t come again for free. Ticket prices are too high, particularly general admission. No family of four is going to stump up $78 for general admission tickets to find out if they like S12 Rugby. That’s $100 if the kids have a drink and a pie. Student tickets at $27 are too expensive. Fill the ends of the grounds with cheap tickets. Get some converts and they will buy better tickets. And get the replays on free to air. In any other business a CEO whose sales dropped by 40% would get the sack. And tell the refs that they are part of the entertainment business not referring the first 15 – pleases sir the crowds have all left.
April 23rd 2012 @ 5:15pm
sheek said | April 23rd 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Well Jack,
In several threads I have argued that no team that scores 5 tries to 2 should ever lose a rugby game. NEVER!
Yet lo & behold, there are plenty of people who seem to think kicking 7-8 penalties a game is okay. Over in league-land, Wayne Bennett basically said this week, in reference to the wrestle tackle, that league will die if it doesn’t entertain.
But some union folk want to defend kicking 7-8 penalties a match!
Rugby had better start understanding pretty soon that the best way to increase revenue, is to attract more people to the game. And you do that by improving the brand, by playing attractive rugby.
April 23rd 2012 @ 6:18pm
warren said | April 23rd 2012 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
Sheek
The coaches will do what ever it takes to win first and worry about the pretty stuff later. The same issue with RL at the moment with the wrestle tactics. Supporters like an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.
Therefore the rules need to change to make sure that this does not happen. We can go on for ever here but as you state the penalties are too highly rewarded in the game so why wouldn’t you as a coach simply get the ball in to the oppositions territory and hope to force a penalty against them. Good luck in seeing this happen as it took RU 100 years after RL to officially become a professional sport. Changing the points for the field & penalty goal unfortnately will take a lot longer.
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:00pm
p.Tah said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:00pm | Report comment
Your AFL mates don’t want to come because they’ll see a kicking dual?
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:04pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
p. Tah,
Not one featuring uncontested marks, no.
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:09pm
p.Tah said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
Touché
May be we need more box kicks and up and unders. They’re usually contested.
April 23rd 2012 @ 7:32pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 23rd 2012 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
I’ve always thought the garryowen was an under-rated defensive kick in union, as it buys time for the defense, and does not give the offensive time space to attack from.