AFL’s storm in a prayer room
Hawthorn President Jeff Kennett addresses the fans during a Hawthorn Supporters Day at Glenferrie Oval in Melbourne (Slattery Media Group).
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“Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” They call that the golden rule. It’s high time that a certain few of those inside the AFL bubble started to actually listen to that mantra.
The response to the news that the AFL is to continue rolling out prayer rooms at stadiums across the country was astounding.
It was no surprise to see blabbermouth former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett leading the charge by hopping on his soapbox once again to label the move as “not part of the Australian lexicon” and “ridiculous”.
“With due respect, the culture of Australia is a Christian society of many faiths and many community backgrounds,” he said. “When you come to a community, the community can be gracious and it can be generous but it doesn’t have to change its very fibre.”
Perhaps if Kennett was a little more aware, he’d first of all realize that there have been prayer rooms at the MCG, the home ground of the very team he serves, for seven years.
The spaces, which are available to people of all faiths, have been recently introduced at Etihad Stadium and ANZ Stadium as well. Other grounds will follow shortly. It’s only news now because the AFL last week tried to get some public relations mileage out of it, a move which may have backfired.
Kennett is, perhaps unsurprisingly, not on his own.
“This is Australia not the Middle East. The more you give to Islam the more they will demand. Make the Muslims rent space from the MCG if they want it,” read one impressively ridiculous entry into the comments section of a radio station’s website, one of many replies supporting the Kennett’s stance.
“We are and have quickly lost our sense of being Australian,” said another. And this: “How dare the AFL take the game MY forefathers have played for generations and turn it into a religious political football for a MINORITY.”
These are people who, assumedly, regularly go to football games. Perhaps they sit with their eyes and ears closed for the entire match, because people of all creeds and colours have been involved in the AFL pyramid for many years.
Jason Misfud, the competition’s community engagement officer – like Kennett, seemingly a magnet for controversy – is half Aboriginal, half Maltese.
There are Fijians, Irishmen, devout Muslims, North Americans and Australians of European descent. Andrew Demetriou is Greek-Cypriot.
Majak Daw, the North Melbourne rookie who is yet to play a senior game, is either trumpeted as a victory for the globalisation of the game due to his Sudanese roots or, funnily enough, spotlighted for every minor indiscretion or misstep he makes – which is counterproductive to the very idea of equality, but a rant for another occasion.
And, of course, let’s not forget the Indigenous people who have contributed so much to the game.
The AFL even dedicates the Dreamtime at the G game as a celebration of their contribution. That match is named after the spiritual framework of Aboriginal culture, The Dreaming.
So if we have come to accept that – and if we don’t play games on Good Friday out of respect – then surely it is fair to allow a Muslim (or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or Gary Ablett himself for that matter) to pray at the football, quietly, without bothering anyone.
This does not impact upon the freedoms of anyone who goes to a game. We are more Australian than ever and the viewing experience will remain unchanged. So what’s the problem?
Maybe the real question is why is this a problem? Why, after so much progress, are there voices against multiculturalism in the AFL?
It’s not as if, to borrow a turn of phrase from Eddie McGuire, we’re going to have falafel stuffed in our face. This is irrational fear that has no place in the game.
Those who love Australian Rules football should be applauded and welcomed with open arms, not turned away because they do something different.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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April 24th 2012 @ 7:53am
TomC said | April 24th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
I don’t know if this really adds all that much to the article written on this site yesterday.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/04/23/afls-prayer-rooms-will-harm-nobody/
I think we’re all guilty of paying Jeff Kennett way too much attention.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:22am
Matt F said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Yeah I’m not sure that it really adds to what was written yesterday. Though the two comment from the radio station website mentioned were worth a read. Both utterly hilarious and extremely sad at the same time! That being said the comments section of a talkback radio website isn’t exactly going to be an accurate representation of the entire population…..thankfully
April 24th 2012 @ 1:54pm
Vince Rugari said | April 24th 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
Apologies lads, was unaware there was an article on this yesterday or if this has been gone over before – my yarns come out on Tuesdays, can’t help that. And I couldn’t help myself after reading those comments on that website, they angered me so much I had to write something. Hope I’ve added something to the debate at least.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:18pm
Matt F said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
Don’t worry Vince. Not your fault about the timing! It’s clearly a hot topic right now, though for the life of me I don’t know why. Well actually I’m pretty sure I know why but i’m hoping that it’s not the reason I’m thinking of……..
April 25th 2012 @ 8:09pm
Bludger said | April 25th 2012 @ 8:09pm | Report comment
Actually, I happen to work at one of these stadiums and during the week when there is hardly anyone with no events on the ‘prayer rooms’ are great spots to rendezvous with female colleagues in the office when we need to discuss the more confidential matters concerning venue management.
So, in a nutshell, I am quite the fan of these prayer rooms. Love it in fact!
April 24th 2012 @ 8:20am
AGO74 said | April 24th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Kennett’s position is unusual considering his position as Chairman of a very important charity – Beyond Blue. I am not at all religious but from my reading a lot of people who are religious draw mental strength from their religion to cope with the pressures and stresses of their day to day lives. For professional sporting people these pressures are more intense due to the pressure they face in front of thousands of people live and on tv in each game. A prayer room is merely a tool to help facilitate this. Surely there’s an old utilities room that can be converted?!
Anyway, as the bloke above says we should just not listen to the ramblings that are Kennett.
April 24th 2012 @ 8:26am
Justin said | April 24th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
This story is old news already. Now we are going to re-hash it?
April 24th 2012 @ 8:42am
turbodewd said | April 24th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
The AFL opens up a pandora’s box with this move. Seriously, the AFL now must comment on whether fans attending AFL games may do so in the full face veil burkha. I can handle prayer rooms, but burkhas shouldnt be allowed. To my eyes they are a symbol of oppression and arent too far removed from the general subjugation of women you see in parts of the Islamic world, i.e where women arent allowed to be educated.
April 24th 2012 @ 8:51am
Jay said | April 24th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
To YOUR eyes. This isn’t about you champ. No one is making you wear a burqa.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:34am
turbodewd said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
And what if muslim men want to wear the burkha? I dont think many would approve of that. The only reason the burkha is allowed at the moment is because it is discriminatory in nature.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:05am
Ian Whitchurch said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
If a Muslim man wants to cross-dress, them Im fine with that, just like Im fine with a Mormon man wearing the wrong sort of underwear, or a Catholic man in a frock.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:10pm
The Cattery said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
I tell you what turbo, there are plenty who would prefer I put a burqha over my ugly mug every time I go out in public!
April 24th 2012 @ 9:05am
The Cattery said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Interestingly, one enterprising person in Western Sydney has started producing head scarves in the Giants colours, and I have to say – they look bloody terrific!!
April 24th 2012 @ 11:31pm
Milz said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:31pm | Report comment
Very politically correct answer from you Cat as expected. The giants head scarves kind of trivialize the religious aspect of them.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:43pm
The Cattery said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:43pm | Report comment
If the faithful want to wear them – it’s their business, I couldn’t care less one way or the other. It’s got nothing to do with being PC.
I might be wrong, but I’m confident that the Koran does not forbid head garb being in team colours.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:31am
andyincanberra said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
The other week I travelled down from Canberra to watch Collingwood vs Carlton on a Friday night. While I was making my way into the ground, I noticed a group of young Muslim women in headscarves making their way into the ‘G. From a personal point of view, the most offensive part of their outfit was that they were wearing Carlton scarves, but I digress.
I’ve always thought that one of the strengths of the AFL was that its supporter base was very inclusive, and can cross cultural lines. I know that it sounds clichéd and probably a little corny, but sport can be an instrument to bring people together. If the group of women I saw at the match wanted to go for a prayer at qtr while I line up for a beer, good luck to them. The AFL should be encouraging the growth of the game to all people, setting aside a ‘prayer room’ would be a small price to pay.
If people see supporters of any background attending an AFL match, maybe they’ll see past the burqa and instead see the football scarf and point of commonality, not difference.
‘Thin-end of the wedge’, ‘Pandora’s box’, ‘give an inch and they’ll take a mile’, ‘pandering to the minority’ comments are xenophobic and lazy.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:06am
The Cattery said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
I’m with you – I reckon it’s great that those young muslim women are lining up to watch the footy! (and agree that the Carlton scarves are more of a worry than anything else they might be wearing)
Australia is a nation of immigrants, and the Australian game thrives because immigrants take to it.
The day immigrants stop taking to it is the day the game starts going backwards.
April 24th 2012 @ 10:14am
AGO74 said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Agree. In the NRL, Canterbury – has a large immigrant and in particular muslim supporter base. Unfortunately a few years back there was a few bad eggs in there which gave everyone else a bad rap but the club has done a terrific job in weeding those bad eggs out. Now Canterbury is very much the family club again and it is no surprise that they have recovered to the point where (I’m pretty sure) they are the highest drawing team in Sydney metro area. It’s fantastic as far as I’m concerned.
April 24th 2012 @ 6:32pm
amazonfan said | April 24th 2012 @ 6:32pm | Report comment
“The AFL opens up a pandora’s box with this move.”
What are you talking about?!
“Seriously, the AFL now must comment on whether fans attending AFL games may do so in the full face veil burkha.”
No, they don’t. Oh, BTW, the burka is by its nature a full face veil.
“I can handle prayer rooms, but burkhas shouldnt be allowed.”
Burkas are legal, so good luck with that. They are also pretty rare in Australia, and have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
“To my eyes they are a symbol of oppression and arent too far removed from the general subjugation of women you see in parts of the Islamic world, i.e where women arent allowed to be educated.”
Good for you.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:10am
Pete said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Why not have a chapel, temple and synagogue as well? Religion and sport are and should be separate. This measure is foolish pandering to the islamic ideology which will seek to gradually impose on Australia the oppressive conditions you can see in muslim lands. Then there will be no women at football matches and then… no football.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:58am
Vince Rugari said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Why not? …because anyone can use the prayer room.
April 24th 2012 @ 3:12pm
John Ryan said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
You dont listen to talkback radio or read NEWS LTD papers then Vince because if you want to hear race baiting listen to talkback or read NEWS LTD the only decent thing that happened is the Station in Melbourne infested with people like Jones and Hadley went broke
April 24th 2012 @ 9:15am
steggz said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
What Kennett doesn’t get is that a Christian doesn’t need a prayer room. A Muslim does because of the different nature of prayer for them. As a Christian, I say that it’s good to recognise the needs of others (though we might be praying to different gods, and that is a separate issue). As a sports fan, anything that takes a hurdle away for people to come to sport is a good thing.
April 24th 2012 @ 9:43am
BigAl said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I really don’t want to get into this debate again today Steggz, but there are a couple of your points that are incorrect.. .
1) Moslems like Christians can pray anywhere;
2) Moslems and Christians pray to the same god
April 24th 2012 @ 9:52am
andyincanberra said | April 24th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Think of it like the parenting room in a shopping mall. It’s legal for a mother to breastfeed anywhere, the foodcourt for example, but the parenting room is an accommodation made by the mall to provide a respectful and private place.
Chistians, hindus and whoever else wanted to, would also be allowed to use the room to pray. It woudn’t be a muslim-only room.
April 24th 2012 @ 5:22pm
BigAl said | April 24th 2012 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
So how do you reckon Moslems and Hare Krishnas would get along in the same room ?
April 25th 2012 @ 9:15am
Matt F said | April 25th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Probably about as well as anyone would if they’re stuck in a room with a Hare Krishna
April 24th 2012 @ 11:13am
steggz said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
1) It’s not about the location for Muslims, but the setting, especially the need for (relative) silence.
2) I’m a committed Christian, and I can assure you that we do not pray to the same God (though that discussion is not for here)
April 24th 2012 @ 3:24pm
BigAl said | April 24th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
You do know that Moslems believe in the Old Testament ?
April 24th 2012 @ 4:30pm
steggz said | April 24th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
They do, but in a very different way to both Christians and Jews.
I’d love to continue this conversation, but this isn’t the place for it. Maybe via email?
April 24th 2012 @ 10:44am
sheek said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Is a prayer room necessary?
Point one – a sporting arena is somewhere where people go to watch sport.
Point two – a church/mosque/synagogue/chapel/whatever, is where people of a similar faith go to pay their respects to their God, whatever they conceive him/she/it/force to be.
Point three – prayer is a deeply personal relationship between an individual & their God, of whatever religion.
You can pray to your God sitting quietly on a park bench, & no-one else needs to know your business.
The Pakistan cricket team first toured Australian in 1964. I have never, never heard or read in the public domain the muslim Pakistani cricketers demanding dedicated prayer rooms while on tour.
Rugby league player Hazem El Masri, a muslim rugby league player with Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, retired several years ago. I don’t recall hearing or reading publicly that he demanded a dedicated prayer room during his career.
If such things were ever facilitated, thy were done quietly & away from the public domain, as they should be.
Instituting prayer rooms is an unnecessary bow to political correctness form over-eager to please apologists. You don’t need a dedicated prayer room to communicate with your God (see park bench above).
Prayer, no matter what your religion, is an intensely private matter, as it should be.
April 24th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Vince Rugari said | April 24th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
If it has been requested, then surely it is necessary. You may pray one way, someone else may pray another. If it does not affect you, what is the problem?
April 24th 2012 @ 12:53pm
sheek said | April 24th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Vince,
My original reply was too long, so I scrubbed it.
So short answers.
1. No, just because someone requests, or wants something, doesn’t mean they should get it. Society caters for the well-being of the majority, not to the whim of the minority, or a few.
2. No, this (prayer room) doesn’t affect me, but there’s always some politically correct, do-gooder, apologist action that is likely to affect me adversely at some point.
Carbon tax (founded on flimsy evidence) making my life more unnecessarily expensive comes to mind. But there are plenty of other examples.
Let’s keep this simple. You go to a sporting arena to watch sport. You go to a place of worship to honour your God. Pray is a personal thing which can be done anywhere. It doesn’t require formality.
April 24th 2012 @ 12:57pm
Ian Whitchurch said | April 24th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Sheek,
The majority of the population doesnt like sport, and doesnt turn up to it. By your logic, we should sell off all the footy grounds to build apartments on, for the well-being of the majority.
April 24th 2012 @ 1:54pm
sheek said | April 24th 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
Ian,
Except sport of course…..!
April 24th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Vince Rugari said | April 24th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Obviously many people disagree with what you are saying, which is why there are now prayer rooms. To me, that kind of makes your argument invalid. Open your heart and your mind, man. Let them pray the way they want.
April 24th 2012 @ 1:53pm
sheek said | April 24th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Nah Vince – once you pass 50, you have the right to be cranky, & I’m exercising it to the full…..!
BTW, the majority can be spectacularly wrong & quite often – the world is flat, the sun rotates around the earth, the Salem witch trials, preferring rugby league to rugby union in Eastern Australia, taking an each-way bet at the 2007 elections, etc…..
April 24th 2012 @ 2:09pm
sheek said | April 24th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Vince/Ian,
There is a difference between catering for the well-being of the majority, & being of majority opinion.
As the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius once philosophised, “the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane”.
Amen…..
April 24th 2012 @ 10:49am
Richard said | April 24th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
The strength of Australian Rules Football, like that of Australian society itself, is ultimately its inclusiveness. Unlike most other sporting codes, it has been classless, crosses gender boundaries and, as the “game invented here”, lies at the heart of what it means to be Australian. It is an important part of Australian culture which helps in the “Australianisation” of new citizens.
Australia has and will continue to change as a result of the inflow of new citizens from broad cultural background. Importantly, being prepared to change helps in the successful assimilation of new citizens and ensures a unified society. For football it fosters continual growth. Congratulations to the AFL for seeing this and acting on it. And Jeff, you just don’t get it at all.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:23am
The Cattery said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Fortunately, Jeff is no longer involved in the game in an official capacity , so his view warrants no more attention than yours or mine.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:26am
D.Large said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
This is not a sports topic; I don’t know why it has become one. From a social perspective, I couldn’t care less whether the MCG wants to allocate a room for “prayer”. One of my only priority’s in life is getting as far away from God botherers of all persuasions as I possibly can so in a way I should be all for this.
But if the MCG is going to do it, then surely my workplace should do it and my local shopping centre, school, library, cinema complex, and all other meeting places where people want to encourage maximum participation.
April 24th 2012 @ 11:30am
andyincanberra said | April 24th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Why does this have to be a win-lose scenario? Why can’t it be looked at in these terms:
1. More supporters to the match – Win for the clubs and the ground.
2. People get to practice their beliefs in a peaceful and respectful environment – Win for the person (whatever their faith).
From my understanding, the person making a song and dance about this is Jeff Kennett. It’s not the Muslim community.
People should embrace new supporters at the game, not take the ‘we were here first, they should fit in with us attitude’. What better way to fit in with Australian culture than attending an AFL match, setting aside a room at a ground is no-cost compromise.
If people are really against this, then they need to articulate their opposition in a way that shows how anybody’s enjoyment of the game would be impacted, not fall back on the low-effort ‘it’s all just politically-correct’ argument.