Football’s future has never looked more assured
By Midfielder, 9 May 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Football’s future has never looked more assured. We have a ten-team A-League, the W-League, Socceroos and Matildas, plus other national sides.
Three places in the ACL.
The A-League has never looked more healthy, finally most clubs are trying to live within their means. Finally FFA are in a (sorta) partnership with the A-League clubs to better the competition.
A new media deal is on hand probably around the 60 to 80 million mark. My previous estimate of 100 to 120 million has come down due to the fact until very recently I was under the impression that Socceroos matches were owned as a product by FFA.
The AFC own all matches played by the Socceroos (and I assume ACL) in Asian qualifiers i.e. the World and Asian Cups. The fee paid to FFA for these matches is one million per match, well below its true worth, however something to build on for the future. Maybe a way for the AFC try to assist smaller Asian nations against countries like Japan and Australia.
There are a number of reasons for why I feel so confident:
The A-League is getting better at a technical level each season. The bleeding of football’s best to other codes has all but dried up. The national training programs have unearthed some very good players recently and will continue to do so over the next few years.
The clubs are better run in that most are trying to live within a budget and by and large unaffordable marquees are not being chased. However, high quality players are still being found.
With the second Sydney team and the painful exit from North Queensland and the Gold Coast over with, the A-League finally has a reach across the major population areas and is out of regional centres, which it should be at this stage of its growth.
The combined brain trust of the A-League clubs and FFA working together will yield good results.
Crowds and ratings were up this season, despite the two biggest clubs having lean seasons. New coaches and squads at the Victory and Sydney FC, as well as the Western Sydney team, should see both crowds and ratings increase next season.
Then there’s the new media deal, which is estimated at between 60-80 million. The 60 million is made up as follows: A-League 35 million, Socceroos Asian matches (assume 6 per year) 6 million, Socceroos friendlies (assume 6 per year) 15 million and internet rights 4 million.
Interestingly, on these figures, the A-League brings in more than the Socceroos. Moreover, football and the A-League teams have learnt how to be lean. They run, by comparison to the other football codes, at a much lower cost.
A-League clubs as I see it are far more nimble than the larger rugby, AFL and NRL clubs, meaning the increased media deal will assist them hugely. Also, it is becoming clear than at least one A-League match will be on FTA, something the A-League is finally ready for.
Football has many critics, rumours of its destruction are often made, especially from those within football who take the view that they alone have all the wisdom. Frank Lowy’s recent appearance with Eddie McGuire on an AFL-related program was, in my view, done to give the indication that football was not on its last legs.
It was a very clever move, hopefully convincing the mainstream media that football is under control and here to stay.
With a degree of pride, I believe when the Mariners’ Centre of Football Excellence completes a major phase around late October this year, all of football will take pride in it.
It will draw a line in the sand, sending a message about the A-League both to its fans and traditional media outlets.
In summary, we are in a strong position to expand at a steady pace, moving towards the 2018 media deal. With twelve teams, the funding gap will close even further.
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May 9th 2012 @ 6:47am
Midfielder said | May 9th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
An interesting call will be the choice of FTA broadcaster… SBS or Channel 10 seems to be the choice…
SBS will produce a high quality program… Ch 10 you would assume get better ratings… also will SBS spit the dummy if they don’t get the rights like in Hals 1 to 5…
May 9th 2012 @ 9:51am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Middy
In last night’s Budget, it was announced that SBS will be receiving an EXTRA $158.1m over 5 years from the Federal Government. $63m is for a new national FTA indigenous TV service, which means $95.1m ($19m p.a.) is available for other SBS programming initiatives.
It is common knowledge in football circles that SBS is making a BIG play to broadcast 1 HAL game live each week. In fact, SBS is so determined to grab a piece of the HAL market it is willing to stop broadcasting live matches from the most popular league in the world – the UEFA Champions League – in favour of the HAL!
7 years ago, SBS wanted to broadcast 4 HAL matches each week for FREE … how times have changed!
Of course, if Channel 9 wins the FTA rights to NRL, Channel 10 may decide it needs to make a big play for HAL to get a piece of the sports broadcast market.
National Team games will be on FTA Tv and, whilst the FFA won’t benefit directly from the revenue, the football brand (HAL, National Team, FFA) exposure will benefit.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:05am
Nathan of Perth said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Didn’t they want the FFA to pay *them* for the matches at first? Bet they’re kicking themselves over that one.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Raghu said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Yes, it was revealed in John O’ Neil’s book. SBS wanted FFA to pay the productions costs. How can SBS be bitter about the A-league not being on FTA when they are not willing to pay for it?
May 9th 2012 @ 2:09pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
And look at the revenge the SBS has taken out on FFA since then for not giving them the rights for nothing AND paying their production costs. Constant stream of anti-FFA and anti-A-League drivel.
Disgraceful behaviour especially when you look back in hindsight what Fox Sports did in taking a risk and backing a new league, when the so-called supporters of the world game wouldn’t touch it without being paid to.
Fox are doing an excellent job and I hope we retain them for the majority of the broadcasts and are properly considered if we sell off some of the content to FTA. I’d hate to lose them as a broadcast partner.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:46am
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Whilst I am naturally inclined towards SBS for historical and emotive reasons, there is no doubt in my mind, as someone who works in the screen industry, that the interests of the A-League are better served by Channel 10. SBS remains unequivocally a niche audience broadcaster. If we have a FTA game per week and/or highlights packaged, it needs to reach the widest possible audience – and that means a major commercial network. Ratings tell the story: SBS does not have the demographic reach to substantively grow the A-League’s audience.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:57am
striker said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Real football the problem with channel 10 is that if it doesnt rate they will put the games back to midnight where as SBS will not do this, i still reckon were not ready for big three networks.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:31am
AGO74 said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
I tend to agree. SBS historically has much lower ratings in comparison to the commercial networks, However, when there are events on that people want to watch, they will watch SBS (e.g. World Cup, Ashes series in England). It’s hard to say where the A-League would sit in terms of FTA ratings so I agree that SBS is best at this point in time than run the risk of being the midnight show on the other networks..
As it is, if somebody is not going to watch the A-League just because it is on SBS and not 7, 9 or 10, then I have to wonder if they are serious about watching the A-League in the first place.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:16pm
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Depends on what is in the contract they sign. I very much doubt that FFA would let them have the FTA game on anything less that a guaranteed live broadcast.
May 9th 2012 @ 3:11pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 9th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
CH10/One show the Bundesliga and the Arsenal Channel.
Wouldn’t the A-League outrate them, as they do on PayTV?
The A-League finals and GF would top the million mark on FTA.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:53pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
Ch10 owns the Bundesliga rights but doesn’t even have the decency to show it live – even when matches are played outside prime time.
E.g. Bremen v Schalke kicked off at 23:30 last Saturday. OneHD didn’t broadcast the game until Tuesday at 6:00 a.m.! Why bother buying the rights?
May 18th 2012 @ 8:52am
Australian Rules said | May 18th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Look…I would watch German football.
YOU would watch German football.
But 99% of people in Australia wouldn’t know what the hell the Bundesliga is.
Could they have shown it live on OneHD? Yes. Do they think the audience for German football is big enough to warrant a live game at 11:30pm on a Saturday night? Obviously Not.
That said, I fail to see how Tues 6am is a better slot.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:07am
Titus said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Whoever bids the most should get the game and I would personally prefer that was SBS. I think SBS will treat the game with respect while the commercial channels will feel the need to make it somehow more exciting for your average punte i.e dumb it down..
May 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
This is about broadening the audience for the A-League. There is no point in an FTA game unless this is the objective. SBS has a very small audience share.
If 10 agrees to broadcast the game live, anyone in the television industry, or in marketing, would tell you that the network represents a far more commercially effective option than SBS. And I say this as someone who never watches 10 or 7 or 9 and is a dedicated fan of SBS.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:43pm
Pete #205 said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
You do realise that the ratings system favours the three commercial channels, do you not? ABC is somewhat in the fold, but SBS is treated with disdain.
May 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Griffo said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
I understand the concept of reaching the most demographic audience size as possible, but I think that most people know how to access SBS if they want to watch the A-League (or turn over to another channel if they don’t want to watch football). Being on 7, 9 or 10 is not going to guarantee someone will sit down and watch the game just because it is on that channel.
It is not like around 20 or so years ago when a good proportion of the population outside metropolitan cities had to stand holding a coat-hanger attached to the old telly to get a semi-decent snowy image of football on SBS because it was not simulcast on ABC
May 9th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
Yes, but… the rating show that SBS’s audience share is tiny. Even more signficantly, so, compared to the commercial networks, is their advertising revenue. There is no sharper measure of audience than advertising revenue.
The only people who will turn to SBS to watch A-League are the true believers. SBS is a small, niche audience network. That is the reality. My view, as someone whose businsess is content creation for the screen industry, is that the A-League must be on a network with a wider reach than SBS. Unless you have researched the viewing figures, it is hard to appreciate just how small SBS’s audience share is – 6.2% to be exact.
Does anyone want our priceless FTA game on a network that, overall, reaches 6% of the population?
May 9th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Whites said | May 9th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
I have to agree. If its on one of the commercial networks it will receive far more exposure. It will be covered more during the news, more mentions on shows like The Project plus adds for the game during high rating shows. Even cross promotion such as fitting a healthy food challenge with an A-League team into Masterchef. Your not going to get that kind of exposure with SBS.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:16pm
Mahony said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
Nail – head! Also concur with the above…
May 9th 2012 @ 8:27pm
Griffo said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:27pm | Report comment
Thanks Realfootball – I will be glad it will be on FTA. I’m not sure it will matter which channel unless, like Whites said above, it will be taken seriously and heavily promoted by whatever channel gets it – which is going to go a long way to grow the sports profile. Channel 10 use to be a younger demographic if not still, and could be a good catalyst for exposure to that group looking for something different.
All remains to be seen.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:22am
Brad said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Its amazing that potentially lets say the new TV deal is between even 50 -80 mill a season thats only seventy mill short roughly of the whole seven year previous deal . And clowns round here are telling me the A Leagues dead, and nobody can deny the fact that the next tv deal will rocket the sport up to roughly 55 -60 mill a year thats a financial windfall of roughly 35 – 40 mill per annum .
I think the most important point to it all is that young men now have an opportunity to represent there local region and potentially represent the nation at the most popular youth sport in the country .
Good health Mid .
May 9th 2012 @ 8:32am
Wasp said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
I agree and have always felt the A League will grow. Like all new comps and you only need to look at China, Korea, Japan and the USA who have all gone through similar growth pains. The USA would be our nearest in the competition from a large variety of sports. While less so in the Asian markets. However they still have strong competition. We need the FTA simply to connect with the mainstream fans. At my work we have a quite well football educated range of staff. Most however still tend to be Euro centric. We need to sway them a little at least to start to go to a match or two and see that the standard is good.
Plus the FTA will bring in those who are Socceroo viewers and not the A League. I would prefer SBS however a commercial station like 10 (Cringe) would get more viewers making it more mainstream.
Remember SBS = Wogball, so we need to get the masses interested with say a round highlights package with the emphasis on the big game of the round. Like the old Big match from England years back or the current ONE Bundesliga/Serie 1 highlights hour.
The league has to be be tight as the re is no money like they poor into AFL and the NRL. Once the new TV deal brings an increase we should see more on advertizing and the wages will go up a little hence keeping more good players and starting the increase in OS players looking here.
A lot I feel would prefer here, climate, stable country and English speaking, so for the vast majority that will be more of an icentive, as going to China or Japan etc is a big cultural playing and living style difference.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:28pm
Mahony said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
With the right, tight contract conditions – CH10 over SBS. Not because of the ‘reach’ (technology and social change has sorted that) but because of the promotion/cross promotion value. This alone will sell the game as it will be in people’s faces. It is ‘growth’ we are purchasing – not the broadcast footprint as these are now comparable. We want to ‘convert’ non-football people AS WELL AS provide access to all football people. Only commercial FTA can do this combination. But the bottom line must always be quality presentation LIVE! It 10 won’t do it – keep walking!
May 9th 2012 @ 8:45am
Whites said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
I hope the Wolves isn’t chosen for the new Sydney team.
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/newsydneyclub/vote
May 9th 2012 @ 9:08am
striker said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:08am | Report comment
all those names are crap id rather western sydney united or west sydney FC.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:46am
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Had a quick look at the survey. I think the three choices of colour combos is fair enough, but people get far, far too hung up about using British names, as if that gives some sort of legitimacy or something.
I too would hope that Wolves is not chosen because the door should always remain open for the original Wolves to return to the top tier of soccer in this country.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:12am
Whites said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
That’s my problem with having the “Wolves” as an option. The FFA has already snubbed the South Coast by bringing in poorly prepared sides from NQLD and the Gold Coast. To take away the name of a future Wollongong/South Coast team would be a bit much.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:10am
whiskeymac said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
very good point. i wonder if its trademarked?
May 9th 2012 @ 11:35am
AGO74 said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
The Wolves nickname belong to Wollongong. Everyone knows that. Plenty of others for west Sydney fans to choose from.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Futbanous said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
On that point TC I noted the same thing. Believe me The British dont give a toss about any other names but their own,why should Australia?
So on that note I gave Western Sydney a glancing header & thought what is this vast diverse football area trying to acheive. One thing, unite the tribes under one banner, so checked the thesaurus for similar.
A broad range of alternatives to United but WS Amalgamation or WS Connection didnt sound right then I saw Fuse & WS Fusion came to mind.
Its the only other Non British sounding name to United thats suitable IMO when looking at alternatives.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:55am
pete4 said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
I agree keep it simple – West Sydney FC
May 9th 2012 @ 2:34pm
Griffo said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
yeah, West Sydney FC was my ‘pick’ too.
Not disparaging FFA on their previous attempts, but the colour scheme is very ‘West Sydney Rovers’ like – not seeing ‘Rovers’ as a name mean the population didn’t like it in the first place?
May 9th 2012 @ 9:57am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
“West Sydney United” seems to be the perfect description for what the team is hoping to achieve across the disparate ethnic groups that have made this region of Australia their new home.
Otherwise, I also like “International West Sydney”, which also pays tribute to the diversity of the region.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:10am
Whites said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
West Sydney United has its problems since Sydney United is intrinsically linked to just one of those ethnic groups
May 9th 2012 @ 10:49am
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Agree. Was disappointed that United wasn’t on the list of options.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:16am
Football United said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
nay to united as sydney croatia fans will spit the dummy saying they are trying to kill their club while everyone else will say its the nsl team rebranded. yay to international as it sounds traditional yet very relavent to the international melting pot that is west sydney.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:12am
Nathan of Perth said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Call ‘em the West Sydney Palmers
May 9th 2012 @ 10:22am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Looks like the new club’s name has been narrowed down to 5 options (listed in order of current voting on Facebook)
1, West Sydney Athletic
2. West Sydney Wanderers
3. West Sydney Strikers
4. West Sydney Wolves
5 West Sydney Rangers
May 9th 2012 @ 10:43am
Nathan of Perth said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Personally I voted Athletic
May 9th 2012 @ 10:48am
striker said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
So did i the otheres are british names and i dont know how they represent the western suburbs of Sydney or the major ethnic communities bad choice of names.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:04am
whiskeymac said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
yeah unlike charlton athletic, wigan athletic…=)
May 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Football United said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
Celtic Athletic as they were used to be known….
May 10th 2012 @ 1:03am
ChrisW said | May 10th 2012 @ 1:03am | Report comment
The aim isnt to represent certain ethnic communities like the NSL, Its to aim at all the people of WS .Wanderers does have some meaning to the area first because how large it is the cumberland plain etc and also the first football match in WS was played by a team called the wanderers.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:31pm
Mahony said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
Me too – traditional, with a sense if the ‘continental’ about it. A great blend given the context, geographical and historical.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:51am
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Went for Stikers – it’s the least “UK” and most culturally neutral option.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:08am
whiskeymac said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
sounds quite american though. i liked the sporting/ international/ athletic monikers although to be honest whatever they call it am sure it will be divisive for some.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:12pm
Cpaaa said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Not much debate on the colours of the west, probably best reserved for another article but anyway i dont understand why black and red, it seems to be carried over since the roden rovers experiment. I would have thought plain white is best for the west. No other club or code wear white as its home jersey, its neutral for every football supporter.
May 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm
Jerome said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Western Sydney Warriors???
Western Sydney is commonly associated with the “Aussie battler” but Western Sydney Battlers sounds a bit off, so replace Battler with Warrior…
May 9th 2012 @ 2:47pm
striker said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
they already have the NZ warriors in the NRL here.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:22pm
Bondy said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Just on the theme of the new Western Sydney team I kept this post I hope the bloke doesnt mind he said he wasnt coming back , he should its a great post .
There is a new comment on the post “FFA seems to be getting the band back together”.
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This is my first time posting on this site, however I just wanted to get across my views on the new Western Sydney A-League franchise. There are only my personal opinions and I would love to read what everyone else thinks.
In my opinion the club should definetly have West/ Western in the title and should be called Western Sydney Wanderers FC. I think this name would be a great name for the club and has history attached to it with the first official game of football being played in NSW between the Kings School and Wanderers at the Kings School, North Parramatta in 1880.
The clubs colours should be red, black with a touch of white. With Sydney FC being draped in Sky Blue I think it is an obvious choice to have Western Sydney in red. As has been previously discussed there are traditional rivals all over the world who play in the red/ blue colours (Liverpool/ Everton, Inter Milan/ AC Milan, Manchester Utd/ Man City etc.) I personally like the AC Milan style red/black vertical stripes of a Manchester United/ Urawa Reds style kit. Would also like the FFA to pull some strings and organise for Nike to produce the Western Sydney kit along with the current deal they have with the national team.
Keeping with the Wanderers historical link the club should play nearly all home games at Parramatta Stadium. It is a very appropriate size holding just over 21,000 fans and is close to great transport links and restaurants/ night life. With a 10 team laegue more than likely I would like 11 home games to be played at Parramatta with the two games that Western Sydney will more than likely host against Sydney FC played at ANZ. With a regional round game to be played again next season I think it would be good if Western Sydney had the oppurtunity to host a game and play it out at CUA stadium in Penrith. Preseason games should be spread out across Western Sydney with games played at Campbelltown, Sydney United Sports Centre and Marconi Stadium. When a Youth League team is established they should play out of Sydney United Sports Centre or Marconi Stadium.
Lyall GORMAN as CEO would be a safe appointment. Kimon Taliadoris would also be a good choice. Lawrie McKinna also being involved in some capacity would also be a good move, however I agree with most others being not as coach. Would love to see Ante MILICIC as coach. I know he is a possibilty to be the new coach of Melbourne Heart, however he was born and raised in Sydney’s West and has played the majority of his football in the area with clubs such as Sydney United, Olympic and Parramatta Power. He has coached at a senior level with Sydney United in the NSWPL, was an assistant coach with the Young Socceroos and has also been an assistant coach at Melbourne Heart under JVS. I think he would push a similar playing style as what JVS deployed at Heart with an attacking, possession based game which is enjoyable to watch and suits the area.
Other coaching possibilities with links to Western Sydney would include Paul OKON, Tony POPOVICH and Branko CULINA. Coaches with a similar playing style from other parts of the country would include Miron BLEIBERG and Mick MULVEY.
Would also like to see Ken SCHEMBRI and Mark BOSNICH involved with the club in some capacity as both have strong links to football in Sydney’s west with Blacktown City and Sydney United/ Olympic respectively. Tim CAHILL as an international ambassador.
The club should base its administration and train out of Valentine Park, Glenwood with a purpose built stadium and training facility built in the Fairfield/ Liverpool area in the future.
I will also include a possible playing list from off contract players or players I think would be keen to play for the club;
Ante Rozic – Gold Coast United
Daniel BRAGG – Gold Coast United/ Blacktown City
Daniel SEVERINO – Gold Coast United/ Marconi
Tarek ELRICH – Newcastle Jets
Ali ABBAS – Newcastle Jets
Labinot HALITI – Newcastle Jets
Marko JESIC – Newcastle Jets
Pedj BOJIC – Central Coast Mariners
Trent McCLENAHAN – Central Coast Mariners
Adam KWASNIK – Central Coast Mariners
Michael BEAUCHAMP – Sydney FC
Scott JAMIESON – Sydney FC
Shannon COLE – Sydney FC
Mark BRIDGE – Sydney FC
Clint BOLTON – Melbourne Heart
Ante TOMIC – Melbourne Heart/ Sydney United
Scott CHIPPERFIELD – FC Basel
Aaron MOOY – St Mirren FC
The NSWPL should also be searched for exciting talent;
Vedran Janjetovic – Sydney United
Steven HAYES – Sydney United
Robbie YOUNIS – Bonnyrigg WE
Chris TADROSSE – Bonnyrigg WE
Nathan ELASI – Marconi Stallions
Robbie MILEVSKI – Sydney Olympic
Panni NIKAS – Sutherland Sharks et
Jason CULINA could also be a possibility if he can prove he is back to full fitness along with some exciting import players.
Western Sydney Wanderers FC is an exciting prospect and if put together properly it has the potential to rival Melbourne Victory as the biggest club in the A-League. What do you think? Let me know.
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May 9th 2012 @ 8:37pm
Griffo said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:37pm | Report comment
Remember that post – rolls well.
Jets have released Elrich and Abbas; Haliti could be on his way, Jesic may stay.
Milicic may want a coaching gig on his own…
…stars aligning for a good first season for West Sydney FC?
May 9th 2012 @ 11:10pm
Mella said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:10pm | Report comment
I voted for Wanderers and suggested West Sydney International, thats the best name IMO. Wanderers is too much of a mouthful and cant be shortened down but better than the other options given. Red and black the colours.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:48am
Futbanous said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Interesting point you raise & one needed to be noted by all involved in football ,because it shows that the Asian rhetoric is a solid reality.
That being that the Socceroos are in the hands of the AFC.
An indicator then that our football future is undeniably linked to Asia.
It may be less than their worth ,but the long term benefits far outweigh any immediate cash increase.
Whilst the media therefore the general populace haven’t twigged on yet that continues to evolve & will sink in further when we hold the Asian cup.
So lets relate Midfielder some of your points to Asia & why being in Asia will develop the content of those points.
First the National teams all benefit by better quality competition. Forcing the raising of standards in our players & coaches across the board ,particularly our technique.
Next the A-League & the AFC. Once again competing against Asian clubs in the ACL has shown up our deficiencies & where we have to improve .
This in turn improves the standard of the A-League,which leads to a better product ,which in turn is more appealing to broadcasters= more moolah bit by bit. From what was it 750,000 to 17 million to possibly 60 million a year in a short 8 year period.
Regarding players in relation to this, being in Asia means that the opportunities are not limited to Australia,noted by the many players plying their trade in various Asian leagues,in particular Japan/Korea/China.
Not only opportunities but cash in the bank,thus playing football as a junior in Australia is essentially without limitations. A decent living can be made in a number of football leagues in the area.
Joel Griffiths ,Matt Mckay ,Big Og. Milligan,Kennedy & others all earning a decent wage by Australian domestic sports standards. No longer is the lottery of warming the bench in Europe the one track mindset of young Aussie players or even older ones, .just ask Matt Mckay.
Next owners. Although we see teething problems as per events recently ,theres no doubt that the involvement of rich people, some billionaires is entirely due to being in Asia & the perception that owning a football club leads to business connections/deals/exposure.
So we see initially Frank Lowy seize an iron grip( & this was correct at the time) on the vaudeville show that was football in Australia prior to joining Asia. Now we see the rich owners(enticed by Asia initially)wanting rightly to have a say. Collective sharp astute minds combined together to nut out where the future of football lies.
So we have the compromise a bit of FFA a bit of billionaire.
Unimaginable that this calibre of person with such status would ever have been involved in or wish to be involved in the game 8 years ago.
Personally I find it easy to grasp what is happening with football in Australia currently.
I rationalise it by imagining what progress has been made & what mistakes have been made since we joined Asia.
Then I analyse mistakes & see whether the game has learned from said mistakes.
Plenty there to analyse & discuss but for me there are two major events recently that indicate the future,one is Frank Lowy & Nathan Tinkler sitting down reaching a compromise & two the JALSC.
Both indicate a will to not accept the status quo,the apathetic little boy lost sport, pre Asia, anymore.
That for me is the biggest difference between Football for the last 8 years & Football prior to that in Australia.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:58am
jamesb said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
I’ve been reading that the new tv deal will be brought forward by a year.
Which there is a possiblity that the new tv deal could commence next season (2012-13). Value around $60 to $70 million a year.
If SBS gets 1 FTA game, they will make sure that it is a success.
I’ll tell you what, theres never a dull moment in Australian football. Theres always something happening
May 9th 2012 @ 11:07am
Dillan said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Does anyone know the details on how the broadcast rights can be brought forward..? I couldn’t see Foxtel agreeing to pay extra money for next year if they already have the rights at a significantly lower cost than the new deal would be… Maybe a clause somewhere in the contract or would Foxtel benefit from the new deal being brought forward..?
May 9th 2012 @ 11:42am
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Fox might consider it if it helps tied down the rights to the comp for a further period, without the need to do tenders, etc. Having said that, you’d expect a quid pro quo.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:20pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Dillan
It has been widely reported that FoxSports wanted to renegotiate the broadcast rights with the FFA in 2009 – i.e. 4 years BEFORE the contract expired, so I’m sure Fox won’t have a problem renegotiating the contract 12 months before it expires.
The fact that Fox wanted to renegotiate the contract in 2009 – just 1 year after they signed the deal – tells me a lot.
In my line of work, if a buyer (Foxtel) asks a seller (FFA) to renegotiate a contract UPWARDS before the contract expires, it means the buyer (Foxtel) has formed a view that the price they will have to pay in the future – when the contract naturally expires – will be MORE than the price they can lock in today.
With each year of growth, the value of the HAL rights will increase. Introducing the West Sydney team will have increased the value of the HAL rights compared to having GCU in the league.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:58am
whiskeymac said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Australian football reminds me of the Game of Thrones – enthralling for the twists, plots and numerous characters. I hope the amount banded about on websites is accurate – the clubs need the money. They need the money now.
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There is always something to look forward to in any given sport – but, for me, football has many aces up its sleeve (ACL, WC, touring friendlies even) it just needs to be able to play them properly.
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AN FTA game will make me happy – no foxtel this last season was painful – although does anybody know what the go is with internet streaming games? i notice xbox live and fox allows AFL games – anything similar mooted for football?
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The centre of excellence is an idea coming to fruition that will be of enormous benefit to the region, the sport… even other sports one assumes with the facilities and infrastructure it should deliver. a good piece of foresight and ambition from a club with a vision as to its own identity. good stuff.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:59am
pete4 said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Great article Midfielder. Refreshing to read here’s hoping for a good TV deal with some FTA coverage. Cheers
May 9th 2012 @ 10:10am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Excellent article, Middy, that captures the full extent of the diverse AUS football landscape.
All professional sports rely on money and, in the 21st century, the biggest revenue source is broadcast rights. Like you, I did not realise all the WCQs were owned by the AFC and, hence, my forecast model had to be revised.
Whilst I had forecast the NT matches for WCQs to be worth $15-20m p.a. (your linked article by Bonita Mersiades agrees with this figure), this money will go straight to the World Sports Group, who now own the rights to all the FFA’s WCQs, and the FFA will only receive $6m p.a.
I agree with your estimation that “the new media deal .. is estimated at between 60-80 million.”
The $80m will be achieved if there is strong competitive tension between:
a) Foxtel & alternative payTv broadcasters (e.g. Al Jazeera Sport is making a big push into the football broadcast market. It has already won the rights to broadcast French Ligue 1 in France, Serie A in USA and has set its sights on broadcasting all EPL games in the UK)
b) FTA tv providers vying for 1 HAL match per week
c) Digital online rights providers (ISPs, SBS, ESPN, FoxSports, Setanta, .. basically anyone who can set up the architecture to deliver top quality online live sports content)
I only have one change to your breakdown of your $60 million. I would value the Socceroos friendlies (assume 6 per year) at $10m and digital/online rights at $9 million.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:31am
Midfielder said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Fuss
A mate who works in the media tells me that two new players are asking questions so they can break into the Australian…
Fetch TV we have talked about before the online group that already carry a lot of football programs…
Also ESPN are testing the waters I am told….
May 9th 2012 @ 11:53am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Thanks, Middy.
When the HAL was formed there were only a few PayTv providers capable of broadcasting major sporting events. But, things have changed dramatically in the past 10 years.
The biggest player to emerge in recent times, is Al Jazeera, which is owned by the the Qatari Government. Al Jazeera has access to capital reserves that would dwarf the capital reserves of Rupert Murdoch’s empire and they are “ready to spend”. The EPL rights are firmly in Al Jazeera’s sights.
Al Jazeera Sport, which is the sports broadcast arm of the Al Jazeera media empire, and it has been acquiring the rights to sports that have global reach, including: Football, Basketball, Athletics, Tennis, Motor Sports, Volleyball, Winter Sports, Rugby.
As far as I know, Al Jazeera does not broadcast any Aussie Rules, Gridiron, baseball, cricket, etc. It only wants globally-accepted sports.
The Aussie time zone would make HAL content a perfect fit for Al Jazeera Sport.
http://www.epltalk.com/al-jazeera-sports-network-ready-to-spend-and-spend-big-for-soccer-tv-rights-in-us-says-source-40263
May 9th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Midfielder said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Fuss
Excellent pick up… good article…
May 9th 2012 @ 2:37pm
Football United said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
would al jazeera be willing to start up another channel here for sport though? if it had premier league then i would say for sure but anything else is a bit so so. would love it though, more competition and less murdoch is great.
May 9th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
I would expect such channels to broadcast their content via internet channels. FoxSports already is streamed to TV screens via Telstra T-Box & XBox. Same occurs for other content – e.g. movie channel.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:47am
phutbol said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
I sincerely hope that your estimates are right or close Mid/Fuss, but just wondering. how have you come up with those numbers? whats the rationale or formulae behind them?
I actually hope that you are both wrong and its more
May 9th 2012 @ 11:15am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
phutbol
I’ve used various models, including: ascribing a dollar value to existing & forecast viewer numbers on PayTv, FTATv, online broadcasts; revenue potential from pay-per-view on TV, internet; comparative valuation based on Foxtel ratings for other sports compared to HAL; etc.
The figures consistently reveal:
Total FFA broadcast rights: $60-80m p.a.
* HAL: $40-50m
* NT Friendlies: $10m
* Online content: $10-20m
For me, the upside for online rights is the great unknown. Imagine if the FFA decided to broadcast every HAL match via an online channel (e.g. FFAtv.com) & charged fans $2 per game, which works out to $284 for every HAL match per season streamed to you anywhere you are in the world! Remember, your Foxtel subscription only allows you to watch HAL matches in one location – most often, in one room of your house!
At $284 per season, this is about 1/4 the cost of annual Foxtel subs (about the same as a Gen Admission Season Ticket) and could generate $50m p.a. in revenue!
May 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm
Bill said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Who do you have in mind to supply the equipment and the crewmen required to actually film and edit the games prior to delivering them online?
Anyway, what you are not addressing is the Murdoch/News Ltd effect, ie. they have a deep seated hatred for the Australian game and want to destroy it as they see it as a direct threat to their total power and overloardship of the local sports scene!
Afterall, they are always the first media company to gloat over the game’s problems and are forever predicting it’s immenent demise!
They have been ‘muzzled’ somewhat because of the recent worldwide condemnation of the hideous crimes they have committed in England and elsewhere but you can not discount or dismiss the strength of their desire to finish off the local game here in Australia!
Remember, their ‘puppet executives’ have total control over Foxsports and Foxtel and how much they write out their cheques for!
May 9th 2012 @ 11:33am
Midfielder said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
Based on my previous thoughts and this link http://sportbizinsider.com.au/opinion/the-rights-stuff-how-lowy-tinkler-deal-put-ffa-back-on-course-for-A-League-broadcast-bonanza/
May 9th 2012 @ 11:50am
striker said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Midfielder i hope this article is right thats good news and shows that we have a good product in the A-League.
May 9th 2012 @ 11:52am
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
That’s a terrific article by Bonita, very well laid out, clearly expressed, but when I add her numbers up, it comes up to a net $38 million, including everything (I think she even mentions that as a total herself).
That’s pretty good, I had previously predicted around $34m in your other articles you have written on the subject (the Optus rights come to $4 mill per annum) – but where is this $60m to $80m coming from that others are talking about??
Anyway, whichever way one wishes to look at it, Lowy has done a very good job keeping it all together when only a few weeks ago it was at risk of falling apart at the seams.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Midfielder said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
TC
From the article taking different parts…
$35 million for the A-League
Socceroos rights of between $15 million – $20 million
a minimum of $4 million for the digital rights
May 9th 2012 @ 12:15pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Midfielder
reading Bonita’s article, it’s clear that of the $35 million price tag for the A-League, the FFA will only receive $28 million because of a 20% commission to WSG.
Bonita says the Socceroos receive $1 million per game for AFC sanctioned games. Her calculations assume six of these per annum.
How do you get from $6 million to $20 million for the Socceroos?
Bonita’s figures clearly show $28 mill plus $6 mill plus $4 mill = $38 mill (as I said, that’s a pretty good number in itself, more than double the last deal).
I think the only thing she is not including are Socceroos friendlies – not sure how much each of these are worth, but 3 or 4 extra games per annum wouldn’t carry a huge value.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
The Cattery
Using Bonita’s figures:
HAL: $28m ($35m less 20% commission)
NT (official games): $6m
NT (friendlies): no figure given
Digital/online: $4m
Bonita specifically states the digital revenue is the EXISTING figure. She has not given her view on the new figure. Digital revenue should be a minimum of 25% of the HAL rights = $9m p.a.
So, at a minimum we have the total cash to FFA being:
$34m (Bonita’s figure) PLUS
$9m (minimum amount from online-revenue) PLUS
$6m (NT friendlies)
Total flowing to the FFA per year = $49m
May 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm
Axelv said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Fuss, could you please explain Bonita’s figures to me as I haven’t quite understood the context of her article.
E.g Where does the $120m over 5 years from Fox sports stand in all this? The Singaporean Sports Group already owns the international rights to our national team until 2020? The extra money we are getting that from this group is from the HAL and they are buying the right to on sell the HAL to other nations around the world? Isn’t the current $17m per year Fox Sports deal that is soon up for renewal plus a FTA network an addition to what the Singaporean group is and will be possibly paying?
Quote of Bonita’s dot points:
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* $35 million for the A-League, although World Sports Group could well retain a commission of around 20% for their work on behalf of FFA, which leaves a net payment of about $28 million per year.
* the value of the Socceroos rights of between $15 million – $20 million, but which World Sports Group retains as they own the rights.
* around $6 million for an average of six Socceroos matches per year from the AFC.
* rights to any friendly matches which are FFA’s to sell if played at home, or if a host nation cedes rights to Australian audiences for an away match, and
* a minimum of $4 million for the digital rights that are currently with Optus.
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It is under my impression that this all up of 28 + 15 + 6 + 4 = $53m per year from the above dot points.
But where does the Foxtel and Free to Air deals stand with this, are they in addition to this? If the next TV Deal between say Foxtel and SBS equates to $30 million per year, wouldn’t the FFA be receiving $83m per year? Compared to the current $17m per year (plus AFC 1m per game extras)?
May 9th 2012 @ 1:23pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Axelv
I’ll try to answer all your questions – remember, this is my interpretation of Bonita’s article
1. Where does the $120m over 5 years from Fox sports stand in all this?
This is the existing deal with Foxtel for all HAL games. I presume Foxtel pays the World Sports Group (WSG) extra to broadcast official games played by the AUS NT.
2. The Singaporean Sports Group already owns the international rights to our national team until 2020?
Yes. The Asian Football Confederation (AFC) owns the rights to all games played by all nations in Asia. The AFC sold the TV rights to all these matches until 2020 to WSG for $1 billion. WSG must then onsell the rights to broadcasters within each nation (e.g. in AUS, WSG sold the rights to Foxtel).
From the $1 billion they received from WSG, the AFC pays each nation $1m per game
3. The extra money we are getting that from this group is from the HAL and they are buying the right to on sell the HAL to other nations around the world?
Yes. Just like AFC sold the TV rights for all national teams playing in Asia to WSG, it seems the FFA is selling the HAL rights to WSG for $35m (I presume this is the minimum price & the FFA will get a cut if WSG receives more than $35m when it onsells)
4. But where does the Foxtel and Free to Air deals stand with this, are they in addition to this?
Tom Smithies broke the story that SBS is keen to broadcast 1 HAL game each week. I would expect such a deal to be in addition to any PayTv deal – i.e. PayTv gets all 5 games & FTA tv broadcasts 1 game at the same time as PayTv
5. If the next TV Deal between say Foxtel and SBS equates to $30 million per year, wouldn’t the FFA be receiving $83m per year?
I’m not sure I follow your reasoning here.
Hope this helps; rather than confuses!
May 9th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Axelv said | May 9th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Cheers for answering my questions Fuss.
I’ll clarify a little more.
I thought that the FFA was getting money directly from Foxtel on their last TV deal, the $120m over 7 years. This was largely, if not entirely thanks to the Socceroos being bundled with the A-League. I thought all this money came from Foxtel paid directly to the FFA. I didn’t know or think that it was Foxtel buying it from WSG.
Now the FFA wants to separate the A-League and sell that to World Sports Group, for around $28m per year after commission, and WSG already owns the Socceroos TV rights until 2020, so was Foxtels previous $120m over 7 years paid to WSG? and the WSG passed that money through to the FFA? This is why I’m confused because it doesn’t quite make sense to me.
E.g Bonita’s quote “Under the new arrangement, World Sports Group will retain the rights to Socceroos games as part of their long term AFC deal, but FFA will no longer be able to on-sell them.” This implies that the FFA were onselling the Socceroos games previously? (To Foxtel? 120m over 7 years?)
All of Bonita’s dot points equate to a minimum of $53m per year, If Foxtel and FTA combined and were to buy the HAL for $20 million a year(not including the national team since the FFA can no longer onsell the Socceroo games under this new agreement) , wouldn’t this money go directly to the FFA and it would be in addition to this planned arrangement with WSG? E.g 53+20 = $73m per year
Or would the HAL rights be fully owned by WSG and the FFA cannot onsell it within Australia, where it’s done directly between WSG, Foxtel and FTA instead?
I hope that make sense and I’m not trying to confuse you either!
May 9th 2012 @ 5:49pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
Axelv
This discourse helps us all to better understand what’s happening, so I really appreciate & learn from your input & questions.
1. The current deal of $120m – how does it work?
* This has also confused me and, whilst I thought Bonita’s article was fantastic (I can’t believe no other Aussie football journo took the time to investigate & analyse the details, rather than the weekly ‘crowds are down articles’!), I’m still confused by her 1 paragraph explanation of the existing deal
* this is what I think may have happened
* WSG owned the rights to NT games and, when the HAL was formed, either WSG (acting on behalf of FFA) or the FFA directly, “stapled” the HAL broadcast rights to the NT broadcast rights.
* so, if Foxtel wanted to buy the NT broadcast rights from WSG, Foxtel also had to purchase the HAL rights
* Foxtel agreed to do this for $17-21m p.a. over 7 years & we don’t know what Foxtel paid for WSG for the NT broadcast rights (I assume it’s $15-20m since Bonita seems to be dealing with existing figures rather than projections)
* hence, if I’m right, Foxtel currently pays $32-41m p.a. to broadcast all AUS football content in Australia, but only $17-21m goes to the FFA
2. Bonita’s dot points explained
* Bonita causes some confusion by including the WSG $15-20m p.a. revenue in her dot points. This figure is of limited direct consequence since it goes straight to WSG. However, the figure can give analysts a starting point to calculate the likely revenue for NT friendly matches
* Bonita has NOT given any figure for NT friendly matches, so this has to be added to her figures
* Bonita has only included current online revenue so we need to adjust her figures to a more realistic forecast figure.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Realfootball said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Treat anything from Bonita with extreme caution. She drinketh from a poisoned chalice.
May 9th 2012 @ 1:48pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
There is some truth in that, but you can’t fault some of her latest articles for sportbiz, they have been well structured, well expressed and quite logical.
In fact, they have been some of the very best writings on Australian sport that have appeared anywhere this year.
May 9th 2012 @ 3:13pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 9th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
Just remember that the author of this article, Bonita Mersiades is a sacked former employee of FFA and a sworn enemy of Lowy, so her estimates would be on the conservative side.
The 35M is the minimum figure before the FFA have to pay a commission – if they get slightly less than that, then they pay no commission.
They may even get a lot more than $35M too – this is just the floor price before the commission kicks in.
They wouldn’t have taken on the contract if they thought the FFA were going to get less than 35M, would they.
The 20% commission figure is a guess by Bonita.
On a deal that large, the commission would not be 20% but more likely around 5-10%.
No doubt the remarkable recovery by the FFA in the last couple of weeks, how they’ve shown how resilient the A-League is, the retention of a 10 team league and the introduction of another team in Sydney, the biggest TV market, will ensure the deal is a very good one.
If its done right, its an exponential growth effect over time – the bigger the media deal, the more profitable and successful the FFA and A-League will become, which in turn leads to a bigger media deal next time, and so on.