Rugby league now a legitimate AFL recruiting ground
By Michael DiFabrizio, 9 May 2012 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
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Gold Coast's Karmichael Hunt lays another tackle against Fremantle (Slattery Images)
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Karmichael Hunt’s form of late has silenced plenty of doubters. Oddly, those that guaranteed us he’d fail are suddenly nowhere to be found.
He now looks like an actual footballer out on the field and is using his considerable presence to Gold Coast’s advantage by laying tackles and damaging, yet legal, bumps.
Former Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton says he’s the most feared player on the Gold Coast list. It’s hard to disagree.
That role was originally designated to Campbell Brown, a premiership player no less, but in just his second season Hunt has taken over and made it his own.
But this isn’t just a story about a big body throwing his weight around. Karmichael is winning his own footy – reaching 20 disposals in two of his past three games – and creating – he averages 2.3 inside 50s a game.
Sure, these numbers could be better. But I’ve always looked at Hunt for what he actually is, not what the size of his pay packet is.
And as someone in just his third season of playing the game at any level, those numbers are eerily comparable to the first six games of Jim Stynes in 1988, his third season in Melbourne and second at AFL level.
The final part of Hunt’s game which has been so noticeable is how he manages to lift his teammates. It’s obvious they have great affection for him and it seems whenever he pulls off a big play – like that bump on Angus Monfries against Essendon – it adds to the confidence of the whole playing group.
All of this led to me asking a peculiar question over the weekend: are there other AFL clubs that could use a Karmichael Hunt?
After a bit of thought, the answer was yes.
With taggers back in vogue this season, those that can physically intimidate are even more of a sought-after commodity right now. Surely there a number of clubs who wouldn’t mind a hard man to throw in the midfield to ensure opponents don’t get an easy run at it.
Sides in the middle of their premiership window might have other priorities than developing a player from a non-football background, but there are plenty who could use a Hunt-type player.
After all, while the Suns aren’t the best team around, it remains that they are a better team with Hunt playing than they are with him on the sidelines. That’s the true sign that he’s bringing something to the table.
The AFL’s days of poaching big name rugby league players, at this stage, seem over. It was a unique set of circumstances that led to Hunt going to the Suns and Israel Folau heading to the GWS Giants, and both moves would never have happened had the AFL not stumped up the cash it did.
However, it might prove to be the case that fringe NRL players identified as suitable for a switch become the target of AFL clubs.
It might be that if Folau does not re-sign with the Giants at the end of his current contract, the temptation for the AFL to become involved may again re-emerge.
Also, players lingering below the NRL level might be willing to jump at the chance to land an AFL contract.
The latter situation would seem to be the most likely. This already happens in basketball with players struggling to land an NBL contract and it definitely helps that players without recent Aussie Rules experience can be signed as an extra rookie.
Some would no doubt use this happening as an argument for how “AFL’s such an easy game to play”. But those people would be showing enormous disregard for the work Karmichael Hunt has done just to get to this point.
The message here isn’t that’s it’s easy, but rather that it’s possible. And there can be significant rewards at the end of it.
One thing’s for sure, though: if what Karmichael Hunt is bringing to the Gold Coast Suns continues, rugby league players can absolutely be considered a legitimate recruiting option.
Publicity stunt? Not anymore.
Michael DiFabrizio is completing his journalism degree. As an AFL writer, he has been an expert columnist at The Roar since 2009, and appeared in The Age and on ABC television and radio. Follow Michael on twitter @mdifabrizio
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May 9th 2012 @ 12:41pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Karmichael is a great athlete and has really applied himself to the task.
He is also getting more than twice the money he was offered by the Broncos, so I can’t see him returning to rugby league just yet..
I wouldn’t say that he is proving to be an AFL success story on the strength of one game.
All he is good at is what he was good at at rugby league – knocking people off their feet.
And yes they do learn how to catch and kick in rugby league too.
I don’t think the AFL is prepared to splash out that sort of money for rugby league players, because I know there have been a few who have made contact with AFL player agents based on the amount of money Karmichael and Israel were offered.
There are no more deals like that on offer.
And realistically, despite all the praise about how much publicity it has generated and how it will convert rugby league followers to AFL, are the Suns and Giants games packing them out with ex-NRL fans and how many rugby league converts have they got.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:52pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
No one’s really chasing converts, I suspect the AFL is more interested in fence sitters or those that aren’t overly attached to any sport or sporting team.
The real point of the exercise is ensuring that the AFL is still holding its current position in Australia in 154 years time.
May 9th 2012 @ 3:45pm
Jace said | May 9th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
Ian, Cattery, Matt et al
Do not indulge ICAR now or ever again in the future. As a soccer person, she is here only to stir up AFL followers.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:39pm
BigAl said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
Now that’s terribly unfair . . . to women.
May 10th 2012 @ 12:38am
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 10th 2012 @ 12:38am | Report comment
Giggle, giggle . . .
May 10th 2012 @ 12:14am
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 10th 2012 @ 12:14am | Report comment
There there Jace, don’t carry on like a schoolgirl.
As it says above “The Roar – Your Sports Opinion” – everyone is entitled to one, aren’t they.
You might be better advised to discuss the topic, rather than attack people who don’t agree with you.
May 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Matt F said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
True, it is early days. That being said he is averaging 16 touches a game so far this season as opposed to 8 last season so he’s shown very good improvement. He’s certainly doing a lot better then I thought he would have at this stage.
I disagree about the publicity bit though. It may not have led to sell-out crowds but I would say that Folau has probably generated about 1/2 the publicity of the Giants so far this season, at least in the Sydney media, and probably a lot more then 1/2 last year. Without him they wouldn’t have got anywhere near as much coverage as they have. The crowds may not be massive, but it’s a fair argument that they could be even worse without him (and probably Hunt at GC as well.)
May 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm
oikee said | May 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
I think Karmichael has burnt his bridges, he wont ever go back to the Broncos, he was replaced by the now NZ fullback.
To be honest, a much better player than K my personal opinion.
I think Hunt was a one off myself, he always was a bit shifty, if that makes sense. Most league players would not go across anyhow, the ones that do are probably welcome to go. Glad we keep Inglis, he was the one i was worried about, as for Issy, we have his brothers and cousins.
I think the Polynesians like their food to much to worry about running marathons and eating the right food.
May 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Toa said | May 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
“Burnt his bridges”…….please explain…..shifty?……..like as in similar to everyone else leaving the broncos e.g. Wayne Bennett?
May 9th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Ian Whitchurch said | May 9th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
ICAR,
You dont watch a lot of footy, do you ?
The average disposal efficiency of the AFL is 71.8%. Hunt is at 80%.
Of players who have played all six games, he is 32nd for disposal efficiency. Five players above him on that list have more tackles. Seventeen have more disposals.
Two of those players have more clearances.
Of all AFL players, he is 46th in clearances, and third in his team behind Ablett and Swallow.
If you want an inside midfielder who will get the ball and efficiently clear it, then you simply want Karmichael Hunt.
http://www.afl.com.au/statistics/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player
May 10th 2012 @ 12:49am
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 10th 2012 @ 12:49am | Report comment
Ian,
if you look at this stats table:
http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/broncosplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/1/default.aspx
Hunt isn’t doing too well in terms of tackles, kicks, tries, metres gained,hit-ups, off-loads, line breaks and field goals is he?
May 10th 2012 @ 1:05am
The_Wookie said | May 10th 2012 @ 1:05am | Report comment
that has what to do with his AFL career? And its not just one game…its his season in 2012. Knowledgeable watchers always knew he was going to take time to develop, and he has and is continuing. Id love someone with his hardness at the ball at Carlton. I think its one of the key ingredients we are missing at the moment
May 10th 2012 @ 8:02am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 10th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
His hardness off the ball would be handy as well.
Heres his “legitimate shirtfront” on Monfries.
May 10th 2012 @ 9:10am
Macca said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Given the AFL’s desire to outlaw the bump in general how much longer will this be an asset?
May 10th 2012 @ 9:20am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Macca,
Stop telling porkies. The MRP gave the incident two thumbs up.
“Contact between Gold Coast’s Karmichael Hunt and Essendon’s Angus Monfries from the fourth quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. Suns’ player Josh Caddy has the ball and is attempting to move upfield, as he is pursued by Monfries. Hunt, who is stationary, steps into the path of Monfries to block for his teammate. There was no high contact made and it was the view of the panel the force used was not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.”
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=133229
May 10th 2012 @ 9:32am
Macca said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Ian I didn’t say that this bump was illegal, I said that the AFL are trying to outlaw the bump. Jarrad Waite said exactly that on before the game earlier in the year and many other players have reiterated.
If hunt had done exactly the same thing but Monfries had bobbed his head slightly in his running motion and Hunt had made contact with his head (all be it accidental) he would of been suspended. I think the AFL are on record saying you bump at your own risk.
I don’t agree with this at all, in fact I am quite against it but it is the environment we find ourselves in, the bumper can do everything correct and have perfect technique but if there is even accidental contact with the head look out.
May 10th 2012 @ 10:08am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 10th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Macca,
Again, stop telling pork pies. As Hunt was stationary, if Monfries had tried to head butt him, the MRP would have gone after Monfries for initiating the head contact … and if you check the Swallow hit, Hunt is utterly amazing in that he can rotate his body out of the way to avoid head contact in a stunningly short time (and we’re talking mezzotempo, frame-by-frame stuff).
May 10th 2012 @ 11:26am
Macca said | May 10th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Ian – There were many people who’s art was the drop kick, where are they now. I hope Hunt deos continue to get away with good bumps but the clock is ticking, no matter how skilled he is eventually an accident will happen.
As for him revolutionising the game, dream on. Byron Pickett was pretty good at dihing out a bump and the only change it made was tighter rules on how you can bump.
And if you want to drop Carrazzo, a player who while keeping the likes of Martin, Cotchin, Black & Penddlebury completely out of the game while racking up an average of 30 possessions for the first three games this year and who beats hunt in clearances (from half the games) tackles disposal efficiency and just about any stat you wish to name then you have either shown your bias or lack of football knowledge.
As for not having to many midfielders, ask Mclean, Ellard, Joseph and the many other midfielders toiling away in the 2′s for the blues that question. Or even Gibbs, Betts, Garlett, Yarran or Lucas who only get a minimal run in the midfield.
May 10th 2012 @ 11:34am
Macca said | May 10th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Ian – Here are the stats comparison Carrazzo having played 3 games and Hunt 6
Carrazzo Disposal 91, Marks 10, tackles 10, goals 1, clearances 25
Hunt Disposals 96, Marks, 14, Tackles 21, goals 1, Clearances 20
SO Carrazzo averages roughly double Hunt on possessions, marks, goals and clearances and about the same of tackles. Gee you really value the occasional good bump.
May 10th 2012 @ 6:28pm
BigAl said | May 10th 2012 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
This just can’t be a legitimate ‘bump’ by Hunt! Should NOT be legal for Hunt or anyone to do.
Monfries didn’t have the ball, and his eyes were solely on the contest – i.e the man with the ball – and then Hunt blind-sided him !
That sort of thing was big in the 60s ( Brereton’s gutless hit on Van der Haar) and hopefully has gone from the game.
It should be made clear to Hunt that this is NOT a legal tactic – hell it’s not even legal in Rugby League ! ( obstruction I think ? )
May 10th 2012 @ 8:58pm
ManInBlack said | May 10th 2012 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
Big Al -
Brereton and Van Der Haar weren’t doing it in the ’60s!!
re Monfries – his lack of periferal vision is astounding given that Hunt really just stood his ground – it’s not as if Hunt ran from outside the play to get there.
I thought Kosi showed limited awareness when he was cleaned up a couple of years back – but, for Monfries here – it’s very different.
What I can’t help but ponder – is the pace of the game tiring guys so much that their awareness due fatigue is putting them infar greater danger than any particular tactic.
btw – providing a shepherd/block in Aust Footy is a key component of taking a ‘hit’ for your team mate which is central to the ethic of the game – i.e. 1%’s and ‘go when it’s your turn’.
May 10th 2012 @ 10:18am
Macca said | May 10th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Whatever Ian I’ll leave you to your delusion, those of us who are living in reality know you bump at your own risk so good luck to Hunt as long as he keeps avoiding the head I look forward to seeing him lay many a good shirtfront but I would suggest it is only a matter of time before he accidentally hits the head a gets done for a number of weeks.
By the way you never did tell me which of the Carlton midfield you would drop to squeeze Hunt in?
May 10th 2012 @ 11:05am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 10th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Macca,
The reason Hunt will revolutionise the way AFL footy is played is that just like players have elite kicking, and Cloke is an elite contested mark, Hunt is elite at the art of the hit.
This recognition that a hip and shoulder is an essential skill to turn a game is something we’ve lost, and some players will be able to do it well enough to both flatten the opposing player and avoid a stray head, and some wont. The ones that wont will avoid it, just like players with crap foot skills are trained to handpass rather than kick.
The ability to draw a tagger into being lined up by Hunt is the next stage of tactical development for the Suns.
Oh, and personally, I’d be happy to drop Carazzo for Hunt, as Hunt has more upside, is three years younger and dishes out rather than receives punishment – but you’d be better off being happy to have the extra AFL-standard midfield, and rotating players in and out of the midfield, as the truth is, these days you cant have too many mids.
May 11th 2012 @ 9:38am
micka said | May 11th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Id drop the likes of Bower, put someone like armfield running out of half back and have Hunt as a nugget providing space and support for Judd in contests
If I was gonna do it.
Bower would be no loss.
May 11th 2012 @ 9:47am
Macca said | May 11th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Micka – I am no Bower fan either but Bower is really taking Laidler’s spot as the third tall, if laidler was fit Bower wouldn’t get a game.
Secondly Armfield couldn’t play on the third tall, he already spends a significant portion either being a running defender or defensive forward so you can’t really say that you take him out of the midfield and put Hunt in,
A thirdly the blues tried with McLean to have a “nugget providing space for Judd” but he can’t get a game because the likes of Curnow, Robinson, Carrazzo, Scotland et el do enough around the stoppages and provide much more in the run and spread dept. In this day and age with a quality midfield you can’t just be an inside player.
May 9th 2012 @ 1:15pm
Tony said | May 9th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Micheal ,
even though I love both code’s, Iv’e
played mainly Aussie Rule’s
I’m really getting excited to see Izzy and K
find there feet,I remember reading in the
Telegraph 2yr’s ago about Jarrod Hayne
watching with interest how the boy’s went
Saying he might switch over to try A.F.L
If he did he would join other Pacific Island boys,Wayne Schwass,David Roden Nic Natanui ,Donald Dickie and Aaron Edwards plus Izzy and K go the A.F.L more brothers playing this mighty game more younger Brother’s playing it for many year’s to come…….
“GO BLUE’S”
May 9th 2012 @ 8:45pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:45pm | Report comment
Tony
I was just watching the repeat of AFL Insider this evening and they had Aaron Edwards on. He has kicked 13.3 for the season, which is a pretty good conversion rate for a big forward, often shooting from 40 to 50m out from goal. He went through his routine for set shots, with some pretty good tips I thought.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:02pm
langou said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:02pm | Report comment
I said he would fail. After his first year it was looking spot on, now it is looking less likely.
I will go double of nothing however and say that Izzy will fail. Hunt was hand picked as someone who they thought may fit the game whereas Izzy just happened to be out of contract at the time. From what I have heard from people involved with Gold Coast. Hunt was the hardest training player in their squad. I could be wrong but I doubt Izzy has that same level determination.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:45pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
langou
they were both handpicked, for different reasons, but I’m not sure anyone could have predicted Hunt’s mental toughness and work ethic. I mean in the last two years, there were times when he looked completely out of his depth, looked completely hopeless, copped stacks of criticism, so for him to bounce back the way he has is a fantastic effort.
What I like is that the coaching staff have worked out a role that suits him to a tee, and he follows instructions to a tee. So well done to him and the footy club as a whole.
There are two things that Hunt now needs to focus on:
1. like his young team mates, he has to continue building up a hard running capacity that lasts two hours. One more pre-season should just about do it, he’s certainly well advanced from where he was 12 months ago, when he could barely run out a half of footy.
2. the days when the opposition completely ignored him are over. He is winning contested footy and he gives it off quickly to players who can use it – and that’s going to hurt any club. So from now on, clubs will start to factor Hunt into their preparations, whereas till now, they would have paid him zero attention. Now special consideration will be given to match ups, who best to stop him getting to the ball, working out structures around stoppages, making sure that the outside runners are covered, and working who on your side you want loose and remaining on his feet – because Hunt goes to ground a fair bit as part of his role, and that is something that can be exploited if the opposition is switched on. Opposition sides need to trap him when he’s dived on the ball for the automatic free – easier said than done because he’s so damn strong, but opposition sides need to be aware of what he’s doing.
Anyway, he gets in and under, and in our game, we have always respected players who put their head over the ball and win their own footy – no one could have asked for any more than what he has given so far.
As for Izzy, he has shown occasional glimpses highlighting his athleticism and ability to conrol the footy below his knees at speed, which is quite impressive. His problem, like Hunt last year, is that if you’re a few metres off the pace, you may as well be sitting in the grand stand.
Under normal circumstances, and I agree with Macca here, he would have been learning the game and building up his engine in the reserves – pretty much all year.
He’s beein thrown in the deep end to quicken the learning process – how will he come out the other end? Depends on his mental toughness and work ethic.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:20pm
Ian Whitchurch said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
Iangou,
Watch this tape, especially from 50 seconds.
At 50 seconds, he is on the inside of his man.
At 52 seconds, the kick has gone to the man in the clear in the corridor, and Izzy goes into body contact with his defender, and then pushes off him, unbalancing his defender (Daniel Talia, a first round 2009 draft pick).
Stop it at 54 seconds. Izzy is signalling for the ball, arms up and out, and breaking forward. His defender is two steps behind and utterly gone.
Kick arrives at 57 seconds for a simple chest mark. He then dobs the kick from outside fifty.
Next, watch this at around 10 seconds.
Folau stops, creating space as his defender overruns him. He spots up Hampton in the square, and weights the kick perfectly to find Hampton at the top of the square.
Those sorts of plays are why I think Izzy will succeed – he has height, acceleration, good hands a good kick and he has shown a little something of a football brain as well.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:25pm
Republican said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
This goes part way to explaining why 70% of our code seems to be played at ground level.
It has degenerated into a grovel contest without the structure that keeps Union and League respectable from a spectators point of view.
May 9th 2012 @ 6:08pm
Ian Whitchurch said | May 9th 2012 @ 6:08pm | Report comment
I have no idea what brought that rant on, but theres more good Izzy in the second clip.
Start at around one minute.
At 1.04, high kick to half forward, Izzy contests from the front, ball is kicked over his head but he keeps his feet. At exactly 1.05, you can see *eight* Adelaide players in the shot, as against five GWS jumpers.
At 1.06, Adelaide sort of have the loose ball, but Adelaide’s 25 – Ben Rutten – does a crap job of protecting the ball carrier. Note how Folau has dropped his body low to tackle.
At 1.07, Adelaide’s 10 – Matthew Jaensch – seems to literally drop the ball when he sees a looming Israel Folau. Izzy then takes clean possession, and essentially ignores Janesch’s attempt at an arm tackle.
By 1.08, Rutten has recovered and comes in to tackle, but Izzy has spotted up a loose Curtly Hampton on the lead and quickly handpasses it forward. Rutten seems to sort of get a paw on the ball, but the ball is promoted and Hampton picks it up off the deck and goals at 1.15. Goal GWS.
That was some really, really nice forward pressure by Folau, and then good quick hands to get the ball where Hampton picked it up and scored.
May 9th 2012 @ 5:59pm
tom said | May 9th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
in the past i’ve commented that afl is a game of no skill if a player raised in another sport reaches the pinnacle of the afl. i was told that the players recruited were for promotional reasons and would not make it. i repeat afl is a game of no skill. years age it was commonly agreed that the afl was a game of no skill. in the 90′s commentators and administrators started yelling how skillfull afl is and have continued with this propaganda. i repeat afl is a game of no skill and the evidence is anyone with the right physical size can be recruited and play the game at the elite level. basketballers which are not good in their game, gridion players, rugby league players , any one.
May 9th 2012 @ 6:09pm
UK Steve said | May 9th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
Away you go then Tom. Want to make $500k a year then give it a go.
With sufficient lead in time, I believe that elite players in all of the football codes could crossover. Natural sporting ability, desire and application would get them through.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:10pm
BigAl said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
So tom, – I take it you will be entering yourself, or whomever you can spare into the next AFL draft, to earn yourself some decent but easy pocket money ?
May 9th 2012 @ 8:56pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:56pm | Report comment
As BigAl says, we invite people to enter their names in the draft, where around 80 of 1,800 will be selected to start a professional football career.
As an 18 year old, you can earn $100,000 in your first year, rising to $300,000 in your 3rd year, which is pretty good by Australian standards.
There are around 900 professional contracts, about as many as all other professional sports in Australia combined, and we invite everyone to have a go.
Once you’re in the system, you’ll be earning your money, have no fear about that.
It’s a very democratic process, all are invited to have a go.
Above all, in the great Australian game we value the following characteristics: courage, mental toughness, work ethic and a willingness to put the team before yourself, to put the team ahead of self-preservation.
But be warned, if you don’t have the courage, it will be obvious to all and sundry – so think very carefully about whether you’re up to it or not.
My experience is that those without courage will endeavour to play sports that are more “skillful”.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:15pm
tom said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
so you argue that players of other sports lack courage and agree that afl is a game of no skill. I obviously agree with the latter but not the former.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:25pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:25pm | Report comment
My background is Australian Football, and I’m saying the number one attribute that must be ticked off before you recruit someone to the AFL is courage, and I’m saying to you, if you want to put your name in the draft, be honest with yourself, make sure you can tick that one off, because it will become obvious within five minutes of the start of a game if you don’t possess it.
There are many who are dishonest with themselves, who are unwilling to look in the mirror and ask the question of themselves honestly, and will make up excuses for pursuing other activiites.
Be honest with yourself.
As the great sheeds once said: Australian Football is a game in which you learn a fair bit about yourself.
Don’t make up excuses – be honest with yourself.
May 9th 2012 @ 9:48pm
GCS said | May 9th 2012 @ 9:48pm | Report comment
Funny how when guys like Tom are challenged to put their name in the AFL draft, they go quiet.
May 10th 2012 @ 8:06am
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
GCS
so true.
It’s remarkable. There are 900 professional contracts on offer, the total of all other sports in Australia combined, and all you have to do is put your name in the draft, and as an 18 year old you can start earning immediately double the Aust average income as a professional footballer.
We get a few blokes like tom on the Roar from time to time, but none of them are ever willing to nominate for the draft to grab one of those lucrative contracts on offer. They’d rather sit behind a keyboard snipiing!! They’re absolute champions!! Legends in their own mind!!
May 10th 2012 @ 9:13pm
ManInBlack said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:13pm | Report comment
tom -
all the codes rely on relatively simple mechanical skills.
at training, it all looks pretty easy – a bit like putting on the putting green or teeing off at the driving range.
However – when you attempt to execute these skills at speed, under pressure, when fatigued – - all sports change their complexion somewhat.
If you are unable to recognise the mechanical skills of Australian Football then you are lacking in something – but I won’t speculate here.
It should also be noted that Aust Football may call on any player at any time who may find him/her self in a position of executing a particular skill. i.e. unlike the other codes with designated kickers/punters/penalty takers etc in Aust Football it’s expected that everyone be skilled – not just one or two specialists.
And as TC indicates – at the end of the day, all the potential in the world is no good if the player is a gutless wonder.
May 9th 2012 @ 6:09pm
James D said | May 9th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
Im curious is there any afl player out there that could make it to the nrl, i feel as if perhaps buddy franklin reminds me alot of inglis but thats all i can think of at the moment.
May 10th 2012 @ 2:38pm
dan said | May 10th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Yeah Izzy and Karmichael
May 10th 2012 @ 5:37pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
boom boom
People have to keep in mind with these sorts of hypotheticals, it’s not a question of whether they can show up to a game tomorrow night and start playing, but could they play it after training 24/7 for 2 to 3 years?
Let’s not forget that League’s two greatest ever players, Dally Messenger and Darren Lockyer, both played Australian Football before they played League.
Does anyone doubt that Nic Naitanui couldn’t have played whatever the hell he wanted?
May 10th 2012 @ 9:19pm
Milz said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:19pm | Report comment
Being able to dunk doesn’t make you a good basketball player Cat. Some of the greatest NBA players such as Steve Nash and John Stockton couldn’t dunk. Shows your complete ignorance of the sport.
May 10th 2012 @ 10:38pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
Milzy mate – don’t be such a party pooper!
The great Australian Olympian, Andrew Gaze, thought it was pretty good when he introduced the Clip one night on Fox Footy.
Anyway, did I say he’d necessarily make a good basketballer?
I said he could whatever he wanted.
I’m not sure how much sport you follow, but when you’re 201 cm and are as fast and agile as someone 20 cm shorter than you, with a massive leap, well, you can do a fair bit with your life.
In fact he excelled as a junior basketballer (unsurprisingly) and athletics (high jump) and was invited to trial with a number of American universities, but declined to do so.
Trust me – he could have done anything.
Interestingly, he was born in Penrith, and if he hadn’t moved early in his life, I have no doubt he’d be in a blue jersey round about now.
May 12th 2012 @ 12:08am
Milz said | May 12th 2012 @ 12:08am | Report comment
How do you think his jockey career would have gone?
May 12th 2012 @ 12:41am
The Cattery said | May 12th 2012 @ 12:41am | Report comment
I take it that’s your way of accepting he would have been more than handy on the basketball court?
May 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm
ManInBlack said | May 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm | Report comment
why would any want to??
btw – Sam Mitchell would be a perfect 5/8th. (most AFL clubs have midfield extractors similar to Mitchell, at North, a guy like Leigh Adams, Coll Luke Ball)
Spud Firrito would fit in most places.
The AFL would be able to provide plenty of full backs pretty well at the drop of a hat.
May 11th 2012 @ 3:18pm
dan said | May 11th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
would they be willing to have Fui Fui make Chop Suey out of them though?
May 9th 2012 @ 6:23pm
piesman2011 said | May 9th 2012 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
Nice troll tom good luck with your future occupation.
May 9th 2012 @ 7:31pm
Gleeso said | May 9th 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
Obviousty for the most part the AFL is comprised of players who have gotten to the top on merit. So while it is a low skill base game, the skills that do exist are exhibited at a high quality. It becomes a worry for a code when an outsider who is not playing in the league based on merit adapts to the standard of the game so quickly.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:13pm
Michael/Brisbane said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
You guys just can’t be pleased can you. First all we hear is that they (Izzy and Hunt) are destined to fail. Then when their progress is clear to everyone, it’s that the AFL has no skill. It couldn’t be that they are exceptional athletes? No no they are just playing a sport with no skill.. fair dinkum, what a laughable comment.
May 9th 2012 @ 8:15pm
UK Steve said | May 9th 2012 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
Gleeso, can you kick a football with both feet? Kick a football to a teammate while running at full pace? Handball with both hands? Bounce a football at full pace? Take a contested mark? Kick a goal from 50m out? These are some of the ‘low’ skills you need. It’s not like Hunt has just walked in off the street, he has been doing it for nearly two years now. Don’t know what football code you follow, but I’d like to hear about the special skills needed for that.
May 10th 2012 @ 12:09am
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 12:09am | Report comment
UK Steve
don’t bother, I’ve met plenty of people like Gleeso, who think they can kick a footy – but they can’t. And that’s before we even talk about their non-preferred foot. They have insufficient self-awareness to understand it. They honestly have no idea, so it’s a pointless discussion.
May 13th 2012 @ 9:47pm
Dingo said | May 13th 2012 @ 9:47pm | Report comment
I can’t help but imagine some of these blokes who deride the skills required to play Aussie Rules having just enough skills themselves to be able to eat a Big Mac, fries and drink a large thickshake while typing onehanded at the same time.
May 9th 2012 @ 10:58pm
The Cattery said | May 9th 2012 @ 10:58pm | Report comment
Related to the topic at hand is this latest article in the Dominion Post talking again about St KIlda making Wellington their second home, with three games per annum:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/6866478/Aussie-Rules-in-Wellington-OK
It looks like plans are well advanced and likely to start in 2014.
It’s quite a long, comprehensive artilcle too, and the comments are a mixed bag, both positive and negative. The most negative comments are from Australians from non-AFL states, and the most positive comments are from NZers living in Melbourne and Perth, or who have lived there.
Some interesting stuff on aussie rules being played in NZ, including some teenagers who have already been signed by Hawthorn:
Rising talent eyes career in AFL
When Kade Riddell, 15, saw an ad for an AFL skills session in the school notices, he figured he’d give it a go.
He knew barely anything about the sport, except from what he had gleaned from brief clips on TV. Six months later, Kade is a Wellington and New Zealand age group rep, and has just made the Oceania team to play in Australia in July.
An AFL career is a tantalising possibility. Kade is one of a number of Kiwi teens eyeing an AFL career over league or rugby.
There are signs the sport could take off in the Wellington region, especially if the St Kilda deal gets off the ground. AFL New Zealand sees Wellington as a key growth area, with plans to give 10,000 youths a taste of the game in the next year.
In Auckland, participation has soared from zero to 20,000 in just 2 1/2 years.
The code recently signed a deal with Sport Wellington to promote the game in the region.
Kade enjoys the aerial contest and the freedom of the free flowing sport. “It’s a different way of running around the field. It’s not stop-start – it’s go go all the time.”
He also plays First XV rugby as a first-five for Hutt Valley High School and says Aussie Rules has helped him improve his agility, speed and kicking.
When Kade heads to Australia he hopes to catch the eye of an AFL scout – and a six-figure contract.
Now a new breed of Kiwi teens are chasing an AFL dream, through international club scholarships.
Shem Tatupu, 16, son of former Warriors league player Tony Tatupu, has been signed up by AFL giant Hawthorn.
The 105kg, 195cm tall player has been introducing Australian youths to an Island-style of play, AFLNZ Wellington area co-ordinator James Terry says. “He’s been bowling people all over the place. They can’t believe how he plays the game.”
Mr Terry is in charge of the Kiwikick programme, which gives Wellington children aged 5 to 12 a taste of the game. The emphasis is on fun, and the basic skills of moving, jumping, kicking, catching and passing.
In Wellington AFL is played by four clubs, and about 120 players. Secondary schools battle it out for the Hawks Cup.
It’s a summer sport, attracting rugby and league players looking to keep fit in the off-season, Mr Terry says.
The Hawks have also signed 16-year-old Kurt Heatherly, from Tauranga, an age group rep in basketball, rugby and cricket.
May 10th 2012 @ 2:46pm
dan said | May 10th 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Shem Tatupu is an example of getting an Izzy before he commits to Rugby league or Union.
May 10th 2012 @ 2:54pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
dan
very true – I really hope he sticks with it because he looks like such an exciting prospect.
Have you seen pictures of him? He’s only 16 and looks like an absolute mountain already!!
He could be the very first that has ever gone directly from NZ into an AFL side, which would be massive news.
May 10th 2012 @ 3:25pm
dan said | May 10th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
I’ve seen a picture of him. I remember watching his father play too. It would’ve been nice to see Shem in Warriors colours.
May 10th 2012 @ 3:52pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
I have no doubt he’d be a success at any of the oval ball codes.
Hawthorn signed him up last year as an international rookie, but I’m not sure how they stumbled across him in the first place.
Given that his dad was a Warriors players, were they tracking him at any stage? Surely someone there had got a glimpse of him somewhere along the line?
He didn’t just become 195cm tall over night!
May 10th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Ian Whitchurch said | May 10th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Thats pretty much right on a bloke who used to wear number 4 for St Kilda and then Sydney.
Heres some youtube of the Australia-NZ youth match – the commentary is appallingly Aussie-tastic for the first four minutes, but theres a chunk on Hetherley, a name that will bring froth to the lips of Republican in about three years.
May 10th 2012 @ 5:03pm
dan said | May 10th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
I read a newsletter from his school from last year. It said he was on a Hawthorn International Scholarship. He was also in the Warriors development system but hadn’t signed. Also plays First XV rugby union this year for St Peters in Auckland.
May 10th 2012 @ 5:26pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Ok, so there’s no secret – I imagine he’ll be getting offers left, right and centre! If any of the Super 15 clubs are interested, that is the most likely place he’d end up – the lure of an All Blacks jersey would be hard to resist (as a future possibility). The only way Hawthorn would be successful is if: a. they splash the cash (if they’re certain about his talent), and/or b. if Shem likes the game above all others, it can happen.
May 10th 2012 @ 6:23pm
The Cattery said | May 10th 2012 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
IW
nice clip on the recent NZ v AIS match.
I’ve heard a bit about Heatherly, Hawks will be keen to get him across next year I think.
If he startes getting regular games by his second year, it could signal a bit of a seismic shift in recruiting circles, afterall, what are the rules exactly surrounding international rookies? are they completely out of the draft system? If so, an AFL club would be crazy not to do what Hawthorn has started doing.