My colleagues are wrong: AFL State of Origin is a terrible idea
By Cameron Rose, 14 May 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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Bringing back State of Origin football is the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas, and I’m going to be there when the 90 percent of fans who ‘want it’ find that out.
My Roar colleague Michael DiFabrizio is an ardent advocate of representative football, as is his partner in crime Vince Rugari.
First seen in these parts last year, and most recently last week, Michael has made this his passion project, and come up with a proposal by which he thinks the concept can be revived.
As impressive as his diagram looks with its coloured boxes, bright dynamic, and arrows pointing every which way, and as sound as his plan may be in theory, unfortunately the entire notion of AFL State of Origin football is as relevant and as welcome as a clown at a funeral.
This latest push for state against state representative football has originated with the players themselves, and this seems to be the number one argument that its supporters have latched onto.
In my opinion, and the late 90s showed this to be true, players like the idea of Origin more than they like actually playing it.
It’s easy for players to say they love the concept, but we saw that when it comes to finally running out onto the ground to compete, a different song is sung.
It’s simplistic to only blame pressure from the clubs. Eventually, once the easy talk of state pride dies down, the players realise that the number one goal in their football life is to play in a premiership, and any concept outside club football compromises this view.
If we need any further proof of the elite players’ lack of interest in representative football, let’s look at last year’s International Rules series.
Only one All-Australian felt compelled to play against the Irish. None of the top 15 in the Brownlow Medal loved representative football enough to pull on the Australian jumper.
And only one player who polled more than 12 votes in last year’s count was running around in either match.
In fact, the 2011 Australian line-up, which should be the most glittering array of talent in our land, and a vastly superior side to that which any mere state could throw up, contained the grand total of four club best-and-fairest winners, only one of whom actually won it last year.
The captain of this auspicious side was Brad Green, who no longer commands a game at a team sitting on the bottom of the ladder.
With all due respect to the likes of Jake King, Robin Nahas, Ben McGlynn, Easton Wood and David Wojcinski, we were seeing a line-up of tradesmanlike footballers and journeymen, as well as a couple of first-year players thrown in for good measure.
Hardly representative of the ‘best of the best’, is it?
And this was for Australia, the highest possible honour. Imagine this lack of elite representation diluted over six or more teams as DiFabrizio suggests.
A straight Carlton v Collingwood match would have more talent on display, and I can assure you that it would mean a hell of a lot more to those involved.
So now that we’ve convincingly quashed the argument of the players, let’s turn our attention to the fans, especially those 90 percent on Superfooty who, according to their apparent fervour, will bring war to the streets if they don’t get Origin football immediately.
I think we’ll see they find it easy to click a mouse button in support, but find it a different story when it comes to buying tickets for themselves and family members to go along.
Let’s not forget that these same people are already paying hundreds of dollars a year for memberships, possibly Foxtel, and then face more expenditure if lucky enough to be there when finals come along.
The last six official State of Origin matches, played between 1996-1999, attracted an average crowd of 22,059. Home and away matches over this period attracted an average crowd of 32,598.
The fans that wanted it showed their passion for State of Origin to such an extent that 30 percent fewer of them showed up.
The same fans that want State of Origin back were no doubt part of the 109,513 people who took in the International Rules series in 1999. By 2005 crowds were down to 84,526, and last year a paltry 35,466 bothered to turn up across two matches.
Damning statistics if you ask me.
Supporters of the concept will point to the Hall of Fame Tribute match in 2008, when 69,294 people turned up to the MCG in support.
This simply proved that people will watch a novelty if it’s put in front of them, much like Meatloaf at last year’s grand final or the sprint at half time. But as the numbers prove, they are not interested enough to keep it sustainable.
Rohan Connolly, senior football writer at The Age, summed it up well when I put the question of the Tribute game to him recently on his weekly blog: “The crowd was good enough, but there seemed a real flatness about the atmosphere, proof to me that it’s the teams that people really follow rather than individual stars.”
Like the Spice Girls, State of Origin was a once mighty phenomenon that died a natural death in 1999.
This is when the professionalism of clubs took over. After all, they’re spending millions of dollars on these elite players, years nurturing them to become the talents they are, and developing game plans built specifically around them. They’re entitled to protect their investment.
AFL is a club game, a national game, and State of Origin is quite simply not required any more in the age of club memberships rising regularly above 40,000, with many pushing and exceeding 50,000.
Go to the MCG this Saturday night for the Dreamtime match between Essendon and Richmond, and you’ll see what the passion of AFL football is all about.
The air will be thick with hope and excitement, 80,000 bloodthirsty fans screaming and raging for their team to win, each wanting their players to physically hurt the opposition in bone-crunching tackles, ready to explode with unbridled joy as victory beckons, and sent spiralling into depression when things don’t go their way.
You will see emotion at its purest and most raw. Friends will become enemies, and hatred will burn within. Agony and ecstasy will be on display in a tribal, primal way that exists only between club supporters.
So, Michael, as bold and imaginative as your idea might be, the fans don’t really want it, the players even less so, and the clubs quite simply and rightfully won’t allow their best players to play.
AFL State of Origin should not now, nor ever again, be on the agenda.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.

May 14th 2012 @ 6:59am
Norm said | May 14th 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
Agree with this 200%
May 14th 2012 @ 7:17am
The Oudsman said | May 14th 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Compelling argument indeed, and let’s face it, not just compelling, but correct.
As has been demonstrated, all the boxes to not hold SOO have been ticked.
The only thing which hasn’t been explored is the fixturing issue – when would this match actually be played?
Pre-season? No. The AFL have done a great job in sending sides far and wide to promote the game within the realm of the NAB Challenge, and a ‘showpiece’ match at the ‘G would undermine a lot of that work. In mid March, everyone’s champing at the bit for the real stuff to begin, and no club’s going to want to let their marquee players out of their sight for a second.
Mid-season? The demands of the game, from a running/preparation style, but also from a mental preparation perspective, have probably increased four or five fold in the last ten years. Players would be waiting for their mid season break like MFC wait to win football matches: with a great sense of anticipation. And rightly so, it is the players who make this game what it is. The most valuable assets in the industry require protection (in this case, sometimes from their own stupidity, if they are in fact pushing for it).
End of year? No. The best have just played one, two, even three finals matches, each 20 – 30% more intense than the 22 than preceded it. The mediocre have been booked in for operations to clean up dodgy joints in an early bid to be fit for the next season, and the weak – who wants to watch them again for the purposes of novelty?
State of Origin is dead. Move on and leave it to the haymakers in other sports.
May 14th 2012 @ 7:22am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 14th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Theres another problem with holding rep games of Australian Rules early or late – thats when cricket needs their grounds … the ones that fit reasonable numbers of people.
May 14th 2012 @ 8:11am
The Cattery said | May 14th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Some sense and the brutal truth.
The idea sounds much, much better than the reality of it.
May 14th 2012 @ 8:12am
Brett McKay said | May 14th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Cam, if you make no further comment on State of Origin, please let “Like the Spice Girls, State of Origin was a once mighty phenomenon that died a natural death in 1999″ be the hook you hand your hat on….
May 14th 2012 @ 8:29am
mds1970 said | May 14th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Agree totally Cameron. I wrote a half-finished draft article yesterday with similar ideas, but yours is better. I love the Spice Girls analogy.
State of Origin is dead, and there’s nothing to be gained by attempting to dig up the body out of the cemetry and turn the life support machine back on.
Our game has a pinnacle, it’s called the AFL premiership. That’s the prize that the players are interested in, not some meaningless exhibition of “state pride”.
May 14th 2012 @ 8:30am
Duth said | May 14th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
I hate to say this, but Cameron you’re right!
Suggestions have been made that instead of playing it mid season, as no player wants to risk injury then, they should schedule the State of Origin match pre-season after the NAB Cup final to get more elite players on the track. HOWEVER, I don’t know of any team that risk their marquee players even for the NAB Cup Final. Teams across the history of the NAB Cup have not risked anyone who is anything less than 100% fit for pre seaon games, so why would it be any different for State of Origin.
I would love to see State of Origin return, but only if we are guaranteed that all players are available for selection. It pains me to say that I know this will never happen!
May 14th 2012 @ 8:52am
micka said | May 14th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Don’t know why its being compared to the international rules. They are completely different games for starters. One has history and the other is a weak attempt at making the AFL international by pitting professional athletes against amateur plumbers and builders. Intnl Rules IS a stupid waste of time.
I don’t know how the concept can be as “welcome as a clown at a funeral” if 90% of voters welcome it? That line reeks of “I’m not nuts, everyone else is”.
Maybe state of origin teams should be based on trials rather than automatic inclusion of big names. That way you only get the blokes who really do want to play it. You may not get big names but you would get blokes who want to give it all for the Big V. I would rather see a mid level player (hell, even a VFL player) run themselves into the ground rather than see Buddy, Ablett or Judd um and ah about even playing.
May 14th 2012 @ 9:00am
micka said | May 14th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Actually, what about SOO teams made up of the best of the VFL, WAFL, SANFL etc players.
Given the opportunity to play a state rep game televised prime time, I’m sure the players would strive for it.
If you’re not a fan of watching that, you aren’t interested in footy, you just want to see big names.
Surely someone wants to keep the Big V jumper around?
May 14th 2012 @ 10:00am
D.Large said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
I just want to see footy and sport that means something. This is contrived rubbish.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:22am
micka said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
I imagine we will be saying the same thing about artificially expanding into new countries. Some would say GWS and Gold Coast are contrived efforts at expansion…
May 14th 2012 @ 11:42am
stabpass said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
I think grass roots football on the GC are nearly big enough for the GC Suns to be a natural addition, GWS may be a lot more top down, but the GC certainly has a decent local football pedigree.
May 14th 2012 @ 9:05am
TomC said | May 14th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
I agree with the point of the article, but I don’t think the International Rules series is much of a comparison. The problems with that concept are quite different from the problems with SOO.
Just from watching Offsiders yesterday, my understanding was what players’ wanted was actually an All-Star game, where 44 of the most skillful players rock up in two random sides and put on party tricks for a couple of hours. Sounds like a decent concept for charity. Probably a lot less chance of getting injured in that kind of game.
May 14th 2012 @ 9:37am
JasonA said | May 14th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
I think you’re right here. The players dont want to pull on the state colours and go hell for leather to restore state pride.
I heard about the AFLPA saying that want a kick and giggle exhibition with the best players all on one park.
Assuming it would be like a NBA All-Star game, no one really cares people just go to watch the high scoring and big slams, and total lack of defensive pressure.
East (Vic,NSW/ACT, Tas, Qld) v West (WA, SA, NT) could work but the whole game is a bit of a joke.
I’d rather watch my club team one more time a year than some harlem globetrotter style skills exhibition.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:09am
D.Large said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Any sane man would agree with this article 100%.
Does anyone really think that even if we bring back SOO that it wont be dead again in 3 – 5 years? The talent disparity from state to state alone makes the comp untenable; the only way you could get the comp even would be to play Victoria vs The Rest. WOW isn’t that mouth watering.
I will concede one point, I am sure that every AFL player would like to play representative footy once. But therein lies the problem, they would actually like to do it only once. It is a nice thing to tell your grandkids and to mark on the CV…. Once.
It just makes me sad that so many people can’t see it as it is…
May 14th 2012 @ 10:09am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
I have to ask, do we really need 3 articles on State of Origin, a concept that no matter how many surveys find it is wanted will never return, especially on a monday after the weekend had Adelaide emerge as a legitimate threat and/or Geelong show just how far it has fallen, Richmond show they are a real chance of finally returning to finals footy and North and the Bulldogs leave everyone wondering exactly where they are.
The only positive is it is a break from the endless Hunt/Falou/GWS/Suns reporting of recent weeks.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:39am
Cameron said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Macca
People (and sports fans) love talking drama. There is drama in code wars. Essentially the reason why we may want SOO is to say we have a legitmate SOO too , just like RL. It is a chest beating exercise. It is to say we have that too, and ours is better than yours. Talking about the form of Richmond or the Crows just does not give us that, and that is why we are not talking about them this morning, but rather SOO.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:44am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Cameron so here just like in the political reporting we are forced to constantly discuss the superficial and peripheral issues at the expense of a serious discussion because people love drama?
I think we can do better than that!!
May 14th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Cameron said | May 14th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Ok then Macca, put your money where your mouth is. There is an article on the Roar about Port’s form with an argument that Matty Primus should not be sacked, and it has hardly any comments. If you want legitimate articles abouy the footy, why dont you go read and make a comment about that story?
May 14th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
Thanks for pointing that out Cameron, as a rule I only look at the “experts” articles because to me they tend to be better quality (in the way they are put together and argued not topic) so I didn’t see it to be honest. I’ll read it now and if it is worthwhile I’ll comment.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:45am
The Oudsman said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Macca – Is that a direct dig at the author, who, I agree, does seem to love talking about Hunt/Folau/GWS/Suns?
I wonder why so much time is spent on issues/teams/players that so little care for.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:54am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
The Oudsman – I thought it was a pretty direct dig at this site in general who seem to spend an amazing amount of time and energy writing about Hunt/Folau/GWS/Suns, have a look over the past 2-3 weeks and see how many articles have been written about them.
To be fair it isn’t just this site but the media in general but with the MSM they are just following the AFL’s directive to keep their access, I thought this site was different.
May 14th 2012 @ 10:55am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 14th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Macca,
If you dont like the content, write some.
May 14th 2012 @ 11:03am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Ian – Unlike you I patron this site to gain information, not to hear the sound of my own voice.
May 14th 2012 @ 11:08am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
You do know you made that comment with your fourth reply in this thread …
May 14th 2012 @ 11:14am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
So is there a limit?
I made a comment and had people respond to it creating a conversation, it is how you exchange opinions and ideas.
You have made 3 comments so far and exactly what has been the sum of the contribution? Nothing!
May 14th 2012 @ 12:56pm
TomC said | May 14th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
‘You do know you made that comment with your fourth reply in this thread …’
I laughed at that.
Ian is having a good couple of days!
May 14th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Easily amused then TomC? I know a couple of knock knock jokes that will really get you chortling!
May 14th 2012 @ 1:21pm
Australian Rules said | May 14th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Sorry Macca, but you were hit for 6 just then…
May 14th 2012 @ 2:29pm
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
I don’t see why the quantity of posts somehow contradicts my original statement. If you look at the content of the 4 posts I
1) Stated an opinion
2) Agreed with and expanded on someone elses opinon and asked a question.
3) Responded to a question
4) retorted Ian’s attack.
I thought that was the point of this site, to express an opinion, support it and ask others for their opinion but apparently not.
May 14th 2012 @ 2:42pm
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
I am starting to realise why the journalists don’t focus on anything of substance, the readership like to focus more on the number of posts rather than the issues, questions or opinions raised in them.
May 14th 2012 @ 11:21am
mds1970 said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
The reason why would be that the site exists on the articles that people send in. The reason that there aren’t any articles on Adelaide becoming a threat, the demise of Geelong, Richmond’s finals chances etc is probably that no-one’s submitted any.
May 14th 2012 @ 11:27am
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
mds1970 – My question is why aren’t the “experts” submitting them?
May 14th 2012 @ 6:28pm
Geoff Lemon said | May 14th 2012 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
It’s a good question, Macca, and a particular dilemma for writers of online content. I like to write work that I think is inherently worthwhile, either by being something I’m genuinely interested in, or something that allows taking the piss in an entertaining manner. (I’ve written about GWS once, and that fell into the latter category.)
The thing is, a lot of the worthier and more considered pieces on The Roar attract the least in the way of comments and response. For myself, I try not to let that be a factor in what I choose to cover. But it’s hard to deny that it’s much more satisfying to write a piece with a hundred comments than one with six. And when it comes to conversation, it’s usually the fluffier, fun topics that get the water-cooler talk bubbling over. Those conversations are certainly appealing to join. But at the same time, that can be a trap, and writers have a responsibility to strive for a level of excellence and integrity in their work.
May 14th 2012 @ 4:48pm
Cameron Rose said | May 14th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
G’day Macca,
The points you make here and below are fair. Vince wrote a pro-SOO article earlier in the year, and Michael put one through last week, so I felt that the opposing case needed to be made.
And I did write about GWS last week, because I had a particular take on things that I saw leading to a GWS victory…correctly as it turned out. And the first game between the two expansion teams was always going to be a worthy topic.
But yes, with plenty of action happening at the top of the table, and a round of unexpected results, there are many things to write about.
For the record, in my opinion North have had their finals hopes blown sky-high, and now can’t possibly make it. Brad Scott seems a protected species as a coach, but have North actually improved under him? Two ninth’s in a row, and certainly no higher this year.
Geelong were always going to start the slide down the ladder at some stage, and this looks like the beginning. They shouldn’t have beaten Hawthorn, and if Richmond were more experienced, they’d have won against them too. No top four for them, probably not top six, and I won’t be surprised if they aren’t there in September. Let’s not forget that Brisbane fell from a Grand Final in 2004 to 11th in 2005 after a similar sustained run.
May 14th 2012 @ 5:03pm
Macca said | May 14th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
Cameron – You also forgot Ben’s article today in regards to SOO and yes the Suns V GWS was historic day but we had three articles in a week got on the heals of 3 artcicles the week before.
You have to look at the ages of Norths midfiled to see why they are up and down, Harvey is getting too old and the rest are the likes of Cunnington, Bastinac, Ziebell and Swallow. Also don’t forget the came back from Perth which is always a danger game.
Geelong well I still think they will amke the 8 but losing Ling Ottens and Milburn and having Scarlett & Enright slowing down they are always going to come back.
TO me this is a year where the whole comp is in flux, the recent powers are falling (Collingwood, Geeelong, St Kilda) but none of the challengers have really proved themselves. Surely there is a story in that.