It’s time for a sevens heaven again in Australian rugby
By Spiro Zavos, 16 May 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The 2011/2012 IRB World Sevens Series tournament finished at Twickenham before world record crowds of over 100,000.
The huge crowds and the world-wide television audience for the event suggests that Sevens Rugby is going to become, within a few years, the cash cow and code-breaker for rugby union to explode in Asia, particularly, as well as in Africa, South America and eastern Europe.
New Zealand by winning its quarter final match against Argentina won its 10th World Series title. Fiji won the London tournament and, along with New Zealand, won three tournaments in the 2011/2012 round.
Australia also won its first World Series tournament for some years.
But, unfortunately, the tradition of Sevens brilliance created by David Campese, the Ellas and other greats like Tim Horan and George Gregan has lost its gloss over many years of failures.
So successful were the Australian teams at Hong Kong in the 1980s that a tradition of booing them from the bitter English ex-pats was created. That tradition is now only a memory of past glory days and nights.
New Zealand and Fiji are the tradition-setters now. And there have been many benefits for New Zealand from this. They have put in place a master-coach in Gordon Tietjens, who has just been awarded (and rightly so) a place in the IRB’s Hall of Fame. Tietjens has a handful of Sevens veterans and then introduces the best attacking and running talent from the schoolboy and junior ranks to complement them.
Many of these youngsters, most of them in fact, then go on to Super Rugby and some of them to Test rugby. The latest new potential All Blacks star is Julian Savea.
Eric Rush, arguably one of the greatest of Sevens players, once told me that the circuit was a perfect way of introducing young players to the rigours and pleasures of professional rugby. They had to learn to be professional in their approach to preparing for matches. Tietjens is a fanatic when it comes to aerobic fitness.
During the All Blacks 2011 Rugby World Cup campaign, the All Blacks coaches brought in Tietjens to put their squad through its fitness paces.
Rush told me, too, that on the field the youngsters learnt the value of making their tackles. There is nowhere on the field to hide a player if he is tackle-shy.
With their fitness levels finely honed, their skills sharpened and their defensive qualities well-developed, the graduates from the New Zealand Sevens campaigns are ready to be stars in the longer form of rugby and be propelled to its highest levels.
This used to happen in Australia but it no longer does. Some players like Bernard Foley come through the Sevens program but the Super Rugby franchises in Australia seem to be reluctant to use the talent that coach Michael O’Connor has been able to develop over the past few years.
It’s time, in my view, for all levels of Australian rugby to put together programs to restore Australian Sevens Rugby as the world force it use to be. This will create the virtuous circle of providing players to the Super Rugby franchises and the Wallabies, and also spread the message of Australian rugby to parts of the world that haven’t even heard of the Wallabies.
The difference between fifteens and sevens rugby is that the shorter form of the game can be played effectively by virtually any country that can get together several thousand players. Fifteens is elite rugby that really can only be played effectively by about 20 countries. There is nothing wrong with this. American gridiron and Australian Football are only one-country games.
Cricket is also played by only a handful of countries.
The strength of Sevens Rugby, though, is that it has the potential to create a world market for rugby. Next year the Rugby World Cup Sevens for men and women will be played in Moscow. The current men’s champions are Wales and the women’s champions are Australia.
And then, in 2016 at the Rio Olympics, rugby comes back to the Games. This will be in the Sevens rather than the 15s form, after a hiatus of 92 years.
Between 2009 and 2012, the IRB is investing 9 million pounds in the development of rugby, both in the fifteens and the sevens. Already this investment is paying off. Next year Sevens Rugby will be included in the China National Games for the first time. The event will be held in Guangzhou where a capacity crowd of 30,000 watched the Asian Games Rugby Sevens.
The various state rugby authorities in Australia have been extremely lax and short-sighted in their involvement in developing Sevens Rugby. They have generally left this task to the Australian Rugby Union or to individuals like Mark Ella to run invitational tournaments and the like. But Sevens Rugby is becoming so big it is incumbent on the unions to be far more pro-active than they have in the past.
I would like to make a couple of modest proposals. They apply in Sydney where I live but should be taken up by the various other unions around Australia.
Start a state Schools Sevens tournament? In New South Wales the tournament could be played over two days at St Joseph’s Hunters Hill with several teams from the other states invited to play. And maybe, I know its controversial, but some of the leading rugby league schools could be invited to play in the tournament.
NSWRU should put in place a club Sevens Tournament to take place a couple of weeks before the club championship starts. I reckon there would be sponsorship available for this and Fox Sports would be eager to televise the event.
I am sure readers of The Roar who are more involved with the administration of rugby will have more and better ideas than those I have put forward.
But we have to get the engine going somehow. It is time to crank up the Sevens Rugby game in Australia and to get it to the place where it was in the glory days of Australian Rugby in the 1980s.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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May 16th 2012 @ 2:39am
Banger said | May 16th 2012 @ 2:39am | Report comment
I have long thought that there shouuld be more emphasis placed on sevens at a junior level. Much like the use of small sided games in junior soccer, used over the years so successfully by small countries such as the Netherlands. These shortened forms of the game place an onus on the development of all around skills at an early age, without the focus upon individual positions. Then as players get older the focus upon specific positional play can be introduced. Theoretically this should result in the development of much more fully developed and rounded rugby players
May 16th 2012 @ 2:40am
King of the Gorgonites said | May 16th 2012 @ 2:40am | Report comment
Sevens is huge. When will Australia realise? London got 60K on the first day alone! England are onboard. So are the USA etc.
To be fair Australian results have been getting better. The win in Tokyo was huge. Their is potential to improve results. We need to if we are going to qualify for the olympics.
We need gold coast to get bigger. We need bigger crowds. We need more media coverage.
Sevens is something that rl and afl will never have. It’s scope and potential is unmatched by those codes. We need to use that to our advantage.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:21am
p.Tah said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
KOG the 100,000 + over the 2 days was impressive given the amount of sport that was on in the UK and Ireland over the weekend. It was up against the climax to the Premier League and all the European rugby games (Heineken cup etc.)
What is disappointing is that Fox didn’t show either the Glasgow or the London legs of the 7s live. They delayed thmy by 2 days. I know the Premier league was on the weekend and it would outrate the 7s but PL covered the 3 fox sports channels. Can anyone feasibly watch 3 games at once? Probably, but perhaps they could have used the “Red button” so people could choose a game and allow the 7s to be shown live. When the Glasgow leg was on there was nothing of note competiting yet Fox didn’t show any of it live.
May 16th 2012 @ 10:09pm
dpl991 said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:09pm | Report comment
I went to the 7′s on Sat at Twickenham and it really is a cracking day out. 70′s disco theme, beers a plenty and a great atmosphere in the stadium. It was my first experience of 7′s and i must say the fitness and skills of the lads was remarkable.
To make it work in Oz i think you would need to market it as a 20-20 style of Rugby – music, dress up’s etc. The format of 7′s lends itself brilliantly to this. Lots of short games, breaks in between for entertainment, plenty of tries etc.
May 16th 2012 @ 3:41am
Rugby Fan said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:41am | Report comment
The idea that the Hong Kong crowd singled out the Wallabies for booing in the 80s is ridiculous.
The crowd there – including many Australians – traditionally supported underdogs, and would boo any top team when they started to pull away against less high-profile or invitation sides. Blowout scorelines still happen on the IRB circuit but they were far more common back then. It’s no fun watching too many one-sided contests although the beer and banter helped compensate.
Fiji, who rivalled Australia for titles in the early years, didn’t get the bird so much simply because it was still a novelty to see them do well against players from the traditional North and South rugby powers.
The titles were not that prestigious either so it’s extremely odd to project the partisanship of the 15-a-side game onto the early sevens tournaments. Players would sometimes even swap teams to make up the numbers. There was certainly none of the bitterness that Spiro imagines at these great rugby parties and it’s a low blow to suggest otherwise.
I’d love to see a great Wallabies side contesting the medals in Rio. Unless Australia does get some consistency, however, it’s not a given that they’ll even be at the games, as other have mentioned several times here on The Roar. We don’t yet know the qualification standards but any regional basis could see Australia, NZ, Fiji and Samoa fighting for fewer than four slots out of the total twelve.
May 16th 2012 @ 4:11am
Moreton Bait said | May 16th 2012 @ 4:11am | Report comment
The tradition of booing the Aussie sevens team at HK remains, RF. I’ve been a regular since the days of Roff. I noted less intensity this year; perhaps because the attitude around sevens is becoming a little more serious (even at HK) or perhaps the new color of the strip befuddled many. I’ve always taken the booing in the spirit of the occasion, however I think it outlived it’s novelty value about a decade ago. And Spiro the English expats were probably never so much bitter as perhaps just full of bitter! Most of us Aussies never took offence
May 16th 2012 @ 5:19am
King of the Gorgonites said | May 16th 2012 @ 5:19am | Report comment
Rf, my understanding is that the top 4 teams from the previous years tournament will automatically qualify for rio. So ideally oz will be in the top four. However, if they are not, then we would hope for the likes of nz, Fiji and Samoa to be in the top four. That will then make regional qualification easier.
Do you no wants happening with Britain? Will they start competing as gb for qualifcation purposes?
May 16th 2012 @ 5:39am
mania said | May 16th 2012 @ 5:39am | Report comment
RF – i remeber the days when players would volunteer for other teams to help cover injury. tho unprofessional it was great sportsmanship
May 16th 2012 @ 7:36am
Losing Faith said | May 16th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Agree ! I remember being at HK the year that Jason Little was asked to fill in for Fiji when they were down a player due to injury. Imagine that today ? Lawyers would be required.
May 16th 2012 @ 7:40am
Losing Faith said | May 16th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Sorry Rugby Fan, but you must have gone to a different HK 7s. Each time I’ve been Australia was only team that got boo’d. At first I was defensive, but once I understood it, I took it as a tradition and accepted it.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:31am
Shungmao said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
I’ve been to the last 8 hk 7′s and the Aussies are the only team that gets booed
May 16th 2012 @ 5:49pm
jeznez said | May 16th 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
The French cop a bit of stick as well – there is even a song that invites people to stand up……
May 16th 2012 @ 10:13am
Rugby Fan said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Spiro was talking about the 80s. I was lucky enough to see quite a number that decade, and there was never any resentment or bitterness in the crowd at the skills of some of the great Wallabies at the time. Quite the opposite: many Australian players became well-known names in Britain after the 1984 Grand Slam. The way the Wallabies played on that tour left a good impression which carried over to Hong Kong. It raised the status of the competition to have a team representing that style of rugby.
It’s difficult to imagine now, but Hong Kong wasn’t really a tournament for national teams. Sevens rugby rarely was back then. Teams from the North were usually invitation sides, with club players and a few internationals. Australia and New Zealand were the first major teams to play under their national banners at Hong Kong, and it was inevitable that the crowd would get behind the opposition when the match-up looked like a club against a country.
The pantomime boos used to start if either side looked like they were beating up a minnow. Even the Barbarians could get booed for doing that, although you were more likely to admire players running in tries when you’d last seen them singing in a bar at 5:00 am that morning.
People stopped booing New Zealand when Eric Rush turned up in the late eighties. Around the same time, Waisale Serevi made his Hong Kong debut. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say those two players changed the face of the short code. They made it worth your while to pay attention to what was happening on the pitch, which was something of a novelty in Hong Kong for many.
I agree with Moreton Bait’s view above, especially when he points out that some of these holdovers are tiresome given the status of today’s tournament. Then again, I’m an England fan and I’d be happy never to hear “Swing Low” again at a rugby match too.
May 16th 2012 @ 10:39am
Sam Taulelei said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Rugbyfan
“but Hong Kong wasn’t really a tournament for national teams”
When it started in 1976 participation was by invitation.
NZ and Australia were the only countries that didn’t send national teams, they sent their best club or provincial teams. Australia then started sending a national representative team in 1980 but NZ continued to only send their local sevens champions.
It took a very brave move by the Hong Kong union in 1982 to advise the NZRU they wouldn’t be issued an invitation until they sent a national representative team so there was no NZ team present in 1982.
In 1983 the first Kiwi sevens team debuted at Hong Kong and didn’t qualify for the final. This was a real wake up call for the NZRU who to their credit placed greater emphasis and resources for the sevens program. Former All Blacks assistant coach Wayne Smith was part of the revolution in NZ sevens rugby in 1984 together with Wayne Shelford, Frano Botica and John Kirwan.
I’ve attended a few of those tournaments during the 80′s and 90′s and Australia were the only team that was booed by the crowd when they had the parade of nations as well as when they took the field. It wasn’t done in antagonism either, but more of an announcement that a pantomime villain had just taken stage.
May 17th 2012 @ 12:52am
Rugby Fan said | May 17th 2012 @ 12:52am | Report comment
The thing about the early “national teams” is that the standards for qualification were extremely relaxed. They were supposed to represent countries in the Asia and Pacific region but that usually meant expats and ringers. All teams from the North were invitation sides, not national sides, which was partly down to the timing of the competition.
We’re talking about how the crowd saw things: I can assure you that teams from places like Malaysia and Korea were regarded as club sides, not national teams. Sometimes they were actually all from one expat club. There were so few Asian-looking players in the Asian teams, you’d have to check the programme to work out who was wearing which shirts.
Australia and New Zealand were the only two genuine national whales and, as you point out, they kicked off by sending teams under club or nickname banners. We didn’t really know much about Fiji, Tonga and, later, Samoa at the time. Fiji and Samoa are now world-beating sevens sides but it used to seem like they were punching above their weight when they won.
I’ve seen a few comments here incredulous that I’ve never seen Australia get booed at the Sevens. My fault in not being clearer. I certainly have seen that but that wasn’t my beef with Spiro. I had two issues:
(1) Australia weren’t singled out for that treatment in the 80s despite their success – Any team regarded as a serious outfit got booed by the crowd if they started piling on points against a lesser side. New Zealand got booed, the Baa-bass got booed, even the Co-Optimists got booed. Fiji didn’t, despite winning titles, because it was still a novelty to see them succeeding.
(2) No-one booed out of bitterness as Spiro alleges – It was great to have top players around but there were so many blowouts, the crowd could get easily bored. Quite frankly, no-one really cared who won as long as enough games were close and we saw some caution-to-the-wind plays. The idea anyone resented great players performing well is way off the mark.
It’s only my personal impression but, as I said above, the crowd stopped booing New Zealand when Eric Rush came on the scene.
It’s a fair to ask why Australia didn’t also stop being pantomine villains. I suspect it might have been down to the 1989 Lions series. The 1990 HK Sevens saw New Zealand given a another pass but it was the first competition after that series and Australia weren’t.
May 16th 2012 @ 6:44pm
The Great G Nepia said | May 16th 2012 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
Rugby Fan, were you watching a HK 7s in a parallel universe? Mate!!! Everyone knows the Australians got booed EVERY game and EVERY year at Hong Kong. I am astonished that you claim it didn’t happen, which is why I’m wondering if you were in the 11th dimension?
May 16th 2012 @ 9:52pm
colvin said | May 16th 2012 @ 9:52pm | Report comment
I went to the first 10 Hong Kong tournaments starting in 1976. In one of the first years there was a bit of a scrap between a Fijian player who was sent off and an Australian. A number of spectators thought both players should have been sent off and booed the Aussies, partly because the Fijians had won everyone over with their spectacular style and they were disappointed that Fiji were put at a disadvantage.That’s when the booing started and it was repeated the next year by mainly a Pommy crowd who remembered the previous year and it went on from there almost becoming part of the tradition.
Spiro’s reason sounds nice but isn’t correct.
May 16th 2012 @ 3:53am
Moreton Bait said | May 16th 2012 @ 3:53am | Report comment
Yes quite a few players have entered Super rugby via Sevens, even in recent years. The big breakthrough after quite a few years of neglect was winning London 2 years ago (2010). NZ won the plate that year as did Australia in London this year, after another cup win in Tokyo.
Check this out and note several names now at Rebels, Force, Brumbies and Waratahs
We still seem to field a new team each year and they build well usually getting better towards the end of the world series. Whilst not quite Tietjens-like, it seems to me Mick O’Connor has been doing a splendid job.
May 16th 2012 @ 6:25am
Damo said | May 16th 2012 @ 6:25am | Report comment
Ah yes Ella and sevens. Some players are just born for it.
How about Shannon Walker?
He could be a Shane Williams type winger for the 15′s.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:10am
Football United said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Australia could do so much more with it’s sevens. starting with a real emphasis on summer sevens competitions at amateur levels. rather than just 1 or 2 major tournaments a year in the whole state, the unions should be pushing for a sevens tournemant every 1 or 2 weeks with each div 1 club hosting a tournament and a tropy awarded at the end of summer to the best performing sevens club. There must be plenty of players that would be interested in still playing for their club over summer if they are only rugby people. We need to get these people playing as much rugby as they can, both 7′s and 15′s and as involved
with the rugby community as they can. The importance of sevens in rugby peoples life must increase if we are to be consistently good.
Secondly we need to ensure that our national sevens tournament is never again the disaster it was in 2011. I went to the Glasgow 7′s last week and wish the australian one was run with the same planning and foresight. simply just chasing the qld money and chucking the tournament in Robina in the middle of schoolies was a massive mistake. The youth didn’t turn up from interstate because they were already attending their piss up of the decade and accomadation and flights became a nightmare to book for the over 19 crowd. with the ppor transport links and lack of pubs in the area, this lead to the crowds being poor, the
ground less than half empty, the all important atmosphere was non existant and we as well have just not hosted one. Scotland was smart, they moved the sevens from murrayfield to a 10k seater to pack in the crowd, they kept the prices cheap (scotland paid 15 pounds for a two day pass, australia paid 80 dollars) and they planned it so that there was no other major events in scotland on that weekend. If we want our tournament to be a success than we really need to pull our finger out. I doubt crowds are going to be much better this year as Gold Coast is sports black hole and either we should go to places were the grounds are smaller or were their is going to be a guaranteed attendance to really sell the atmosphere these events should have. thus alternative stadiums should be looked at such as the new South Melbourne Stadium, Redfern stadium, Ballymore, AAMI Park, Parra Stadium or back to adelaide at Hindmarsh Stadium
May 16th 2012 @ 10:51am
HardcorePrawn said | May 16th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
FU,
I have to agree that the location of Australia’s Sevens is a bit of an issue to it getting a higher profile, I’ve said before that I really think that it should be a roving tournament, held in different parts of the country each year. This year’s Gold Coast event wasn’t a huge success, for the reasons you’ve stated, but how were the previous years’ events in Adelaide?
I attended a day of the Commonwealth Games Sevens in Melbourne in 2006 and witnessed how the crowd got behind the underdogs in each game (the chants of “UGANDA! UGANDA!” still give me goosebumps as I recall them even now), and isn’t the party atmosphere a great way to get non-Rugby fans interested in the sport and maybe consider going to a few games?
It probably is worth the ARU looking into getting this out to as big an audience as possible by rotating the venue every year to include each major Australian city, and to do their utmost to increase the TV coverage too. But then, this is the organisation that did nothing as Channel Nein butchered the coverage of the sport’s centrepiece last year, so it’s probably best not to raise expectations.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:19am
Sailosi said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Damo, great feet and speed, but just a really poor defender.
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May 16th 2012 @ 8:31am
Undercover Prop said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Spiro I disagree that the Super Rugby franchises in Australia seem to be reluctant to use the talent that coach Michael O’Connor has been able to develop over the past few years.
Just within the last two years I can think of the following players who have been given Super rugby contracts after coming through the sevens program.
Nick Phipps (Wallabies World Cup Squad too), Bernard Foley, James Stannard, Jono Lance, Brackin Karauria-Henry, Luke Morahan, Ed Quirk and i believe Liam Gill.
Looking further back there is Pat McCutcheon, Jono Jenkins and Shawn Mackay. (Matt Hodgson was another who came through sevens)
The success rate won’t be anything close to 100% because the 15s and 7s games are still quite different but I think Australia is better at using the sevens program to develop players than most other countries
May 16th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Moreton Bait said | May 16th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Agree UP. More players than many realise have come through the Aust Sevens system. The names you mention above and yes I’ve enjoyed watching very young future stars emerge in Sevens such as Liam Gill and James O’Connor. They were both outstanding at Sevens as 17 year olds.
May 16th 2012 @ 8:46am
Sailosi said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Kuridrani and Sitauti are at the brumbies, they were 7′s players last year.
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May 16th 2012 @ 8:51am
p.Tah said | May 16th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
There are plenty of 7s tournaments around Australia, including schoolboys where League teams compete. The issue in Australia is that 7s hasn’t captured the public’s attention because all 7s news is essentially buried or an afterthought. The Gold Coast 7s will assist when it gets more momentum but it’s only on once a year. We need more ‘content’ at the top level.
I’ve suggested this before in an article, but we need a ‘pro’ comp over summer. However the format needs to be truncated. 2 Days is fine for the IRB circuit, but locally we need a 4 hour knock-out tournament that’s made for TV. Use teams under current brands (Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Force, Rebels, NSW Country Cockatoos, Qld Country, SA Black Falcons) so there is some connection with the public already.
A posible format could be:
3:00pm Game 1: Reds vs Waratahs
3:20pm Game 2: Brumbies vs Force
3:40pm Game 3: Rebels vs. NSW Country
4:00pm Game 4: Qld Country vs. SA Black Falcons
4:20pm Game 5: Women’s 7s game
4:40pm Game 6: Schoolboys 7s game
5:00pm Semi -final 1: winner of game 1 vs. winner game 2
5:20pm semi-final 2: winner of game 3 vs. winner of game 4
5:40pm Entertainment – band (e.g. Rogue Traders)
6:10pm Grand Final – winner of semi-final 1 vs. winner of semi-final 2
Perhaps more space can be built into the tournament to give the finalists more rest.
This tournament can be played in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne during summer.
Here is the clincher to generate more interest. Each team has marquee players. Beale and O’Connor may play for the Rebels if it fits with the November tours, but could we open this out to NRL and AFL players? Could Buddy Franklin join his mates at the Rebels? Could Karmichael Hunt play for the Reds? Could Benji Marshall lace up for the Waratahs? Highly unlikely but it would be worth talking to them, their managers and their League. However we may not need them there is plenty of top school boy and Club rugby talent that would excel in the 7s format.
May 16th 2012 @ 11:23am
Elisha Pearce said | May 16th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
I like most of your ideas.
One of the major problems is good coverage.
I’ve written an article here before about club rugby needing better coverage than just the ABC and I think net streaming is the way to make this happen. Even just 2 cameras, 1 commentator and away you go.
I’d help make it happen if they wanted, so would plenty of other people on here.
http://www.clubsevens.com – through from the end of club rugby til the Dec tour or start right after Dec tour and go til preseason. Whichever works best.
And I love the idea of Franklin, Slater, Hunt, Albert etc getting a run if they want. A few sponsorship slots could make it happen I rekon.
May 16th 2012 @ 11:25am
Elisha Pearce said | May 16th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
thats not a real site btw. But Im thinking I should take it. Hehe