Is the marquee rule still relevant to the A-League?
By Mike Tuckerman, 18 May 2012 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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Has the marquee concept died a slow death in the A-League? Like Marcos Flores before him, ex-Melbourne Victory midfielder Carlos Hernandez is a Johnny Warren medal winner who could be lost to Australian football for want of an open cheque book.
That’s not to say Hernandez’s potential departure is necessarily a bad thing.
For all his undoubted talent, it’s impossible to ignore the perception Hernandez wasn’t always pulling his weight – if you’ll pardon the pun – although a couple of A-League clubs are rumoured to still be interested in the creative talent.
Victory coach Ange Postecoglou was candid enough to admit he didn’t know where Hernandez would fit into his system and was keen to free up room under the salary cap.
And unless foreign imports offer us more than local players can produce, there’s little point in breaking the bank for them, particularly if they’re not the type of player bringing fans through the gate.
But although Hernandez wasn’t Victory’s designated marquee man, his looming A-League exit brings into question the continuing existence of an option many clubs no longer seem eager to utilise.
A few weeks ago former Socceroo and Fox Sports analyst Mark Bosnich wrote a column claiming the new Western Sydney club should sign Juventus great Alessandro Del Piero.
But surely Del Piero is far more likely to end up in a country such as the United States, where the likes of David Beckham, Thierry Henry, Rafael Marquez, Torsten Frings and Robbie Keane already ply their trade in the booming Major League Soccer competition.
And while the MLS has had some hits and misses with its ‘designated player’ rule, the fact is the competition still has the means to lure some seriously recognisable stars to its shores.
If that wasn’t enough, the A-League now faces regional competition from Chinese Super League clubs enjoying the patronage of wealthy backers after years of stagnation in a corrupt and largely unloved league.
The emergence of the two wealthy Ghangzhou clubs, Evergrande and R&F, has the potential to re-shape the power balance of East Asian football in the favour of Chinese sides, with local rivals like Shanghai Shenhua scrambling to keep pace by signing players such as Nicolas Anelka and Australia’s own Joel Griffiths.
And with plenty of money still in the Gulf – Qatari club Al-Sadd just added Raul to a foreign stable already including Lee Jung-Soo, Nadir Belhadj, Mamadou Niang and Abdel Kader Keita – it’s a wonder there’s any foreign talent left for A-League clubs to scout.
Perhaps that’s why our star players have tended to be signed from countries like Costa Rica and Chile rather than the English Premier League or Bundesliga – the notable exception of Thomas Broich notwithstanding.
In fact, it’s players like Broich we should be chasing, with the German import admitting he’d simply had enough of the daily grind of playing in a relentlessly scrutinised league like the Bundesliga.
Otherwise, the A-League would surely be better served trying to bring high-profile Australians back to our shores.
What’s the point of the marquee rule if Lucas Neill and Mark Bresciano are winding down their careers in the Middle East? Why have we lost players like Joel Griffiths to China?
Of course, putting names on paper is little more than empty rhetoric when there’s no money in the transfer kitty.
Perhaps A-League clubs might be better served throwing whatever resources they can into raising the level of the salary cap and scrapping the idea of bringing in high-profile marquee imports altogether.
With half the clubs in the league not ever bothering to fill their international marquee slot, it seems the bean-counters at a number of A-League outfits came to the very same conclusion long ago.
Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he has settled in Brisbane and has been a Roar columnist since December 2008. Follow Mike on twitter @Mike_Tuckerman
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May 18th 2012 @ 7:56am
TomC said | May 18th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
I think it’s a discussion worth having but…
Harry Kewell? Probably at least worth a mention. I mean, that seems to be an excellent example of the marquee system working as it should, and it’s happening right now.
We could have a debate about whether the Victory tieing their brand name to marquee stars is really in their long term interest (and I”m not sure it is) but that example alone seems to undercut a lot of this article.
May 18th 2012 @ 7:56am
Brendo said | May 18th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Yet Melbourne Victory has both of these filled
I cannot believe people are suggesting that the marquee rule should go. So not Archie, No Kewell, No Emereton. There should always be an option for clubs to name two players outside the cap. Its then up to the club in terms of their ambitions whether they wat to use it and on who.
I have never subsribed to the idea that the Marquee player needs to be a former superstar eking out the twilight of his career here in Australia but if a club wants to use it for that then great. Personally I see it as a way of attracting those 1-2 players that add a quality to your team that you wouldn’t normally be able to fit under the salary cap. Archie is the classic example of this thinking, the reason he came back to the A-league when he did was because of the marquee system.
May 18th 2012 @ 10:56am
Mike Tuckerman said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
For what it’s worth I’m not suggesting the marquee rule should go, just raising questions about how it’s being used. I’ve always been a strong advocate for the rule but note that several clubs have rarely employed it. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the new Western Sydney club in that regard.
May 18th 2012 @ 4:25pm
Michael said | May 18th 2012 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
Hi Mike, How could West Sydney use a marquee if FFA are funding the club?
May 18th 2012 @ 5:09pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 18th 2012 @ 5:09pm | Report comment
Now that is a good question….
May 18th 2012 @ 5:58pm
Titus said | May 18th 2012 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
The WS team would be crazy not to make a play for Flores or Hernandes, if putting them on as marquee is required then so be it.
These sort of players will make WS a success and will make it easier for the FFA to find owners when the time comes.
May 18th 2012 @ 6:34pm
The Cattery said | May 18th 2012 @ 6:34pm | Report comment
You can certainly build a team around players like Carlos or Flores – especially if Poppa wants to load up on some young talent, you need a wise head in there. I don’t think it would guarantee success, but it’s something you can sell to prospective fans with the hope of being very competitive form the outset.
May 18th 2012 @ 8:32am
nordster said | May 18th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
the marquee/cap exempt spot has been a good way to allow ambitious clubs the means to at least try and recruit a special type of player beyond the fake equalisation of the salary cap system. Anything that undermines the anti-competitive cap over the long term in my mind is fantastic.
whether the players who have filled the cap exempt spots have been any good … its hit and miss along with any recruiting decision. I’m still glad it has been – and still is – there as an option for clubs who want it.
May 18th 2012 @ 8:50am
Wasp said | May 18th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
The Marquee must be a player with puuling power both on and off the field. This is essential in a sports saturated market. When we had Yorke back in year 1 of the league his profile was enough to fill pages of the papers, eating, dancing etc. This is what we need on top of the player who can offer much to the fans and our young up and coming stars.
I feel Lucus, Harry and co are doing their bit. Their experience is rubbing off in ways we can’t see, but it is. Some Marquee players just did not offer a lot, they had the hype in a football world but if you don’t follow the Italian, German or other lesser leagues then the average person will not know them if theuy are not football supporters.
However unfortunately the EPL is the league preferd by the mainstream here so only those names are known. So if we signed a player from Italy who was with say AC Milan high profile in that country, only the Italian and generall footballing community will know the player and appreciate him.
As our press is generally AFL and NRL centric promoting this type of player to the general masses will be wasted.
Unless a major marketing campaign would hype the arrival and get interviews mainstream etc, this won’t happen, no money to be able to do it.
I agree very good players who are excellent drawcards for our game can be found like Brioch and Hernandez have done. They started with no name here but because they were very good signings have lifted their profile and helped the league.
Off main topic
It is a very difficult area for our game here where money is our downfall. Last night on 7 I saw about 10 adds for the AFL in a little over an hour and half, yes it is their game but the A League must bite the bullet and put something into showcasing the League at prime times on the three main stations. It will cost, but an add similar to last seasons where it shows big crowds, singing, chanting and great goals that made last season a huge success. 30 seconds sevral times during prime shows leading up to the season, a generic add to get your interest. Then like the AFL and NRL leading up to matches in each teams city a local version advertizing the game day and time, needs only to 15 seconds.
Being in Sydney I don’t know if any was done in other markets, but in Sydney the only places you saw the Sydney FC match adds were in the papers sports sections preaching to the converted. Joe Blow in Honsby or Pndle Hill won’t know about the game.
Put a similar add in the Parramatta, Blacktown, Hornsby, Leader etc local papers. Most get this delivered free to home, people have a general look, the add should be in the main area, not the sport section, or have one there too.
Westfield is not being used to promote the game, don’t know why. This could be a great medium to get it out to the weekend and Thursday night shoppers.
May 18th 2012 @ 8:59am
Rob Gremio said | May 18th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
I think the most interesting part of this debate is that the two best performed clubs in the last two years have won trophies without marquee players. Brisbane and CCM have worked wonders with shoestring budgets. I’m sure I read somewhere that the Roar had only used 85% of their cap.
But that’s not to say I’m against the marquee system per se, rather there are other ways of building a quality team. As the article suggests, players like Broich, as well as Berisha, Adnan, zwaanzweijk (or however you spell it), van den brink, Hernandez, etc, all players of high quality, have been brought in under the salary cap (although in the case of Hernandez you could argue MV could afford to pay high wages for him given Archie was outside the cap), demonstrating that you can get excellent imports without breaking the bank.
It’s an interesting descussion to be having.
May 18th 2012 @ 9:15am
phutbol said | May 18th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Re: Broich. Not too sure there are that many burnt out/disenfranchised borderline superstars just waiting for an opportunity to sign for an A-league club for the ‘lifestyle’ on a fraction of what they could get elsewhere. From the little i know about him, Broich’s signing really does seem to be close to a unique situation. Dont get me wrong, he’s magnificent, i just dont think there are that many out there in a similar situation… would love to be proven wrong though.
May 18th 2012 @ 10:57am
Mike Tuckerman said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
A good point phutbol. I’m glad Rob Gremio brought up the case of Besart Berisha though, because I don’t many critics were convinced of his quality when he arrived from a struggling third division club in Germany.
May 18th 2012 @ 11:43am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | May 18th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
The A-League can offer a lot of players a fresh start and a chance to do something interesting with their careers. Marquee status is not required for that.
May 18th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 18th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
I disagree. I reckon there would be hundreds – of top quality technically-gifted players – playing in the lower leagues of Europe, Africa, Asia & South America – who are either:
a) not good enough to make it in the biggest leagues; or
b) don’t want the pressure of playing in the biggest leagues.
E.g. Broich, Carlos, Ifill, Flores, Fred, Angulo, Berisha … if we search hard enough, we’ll find them. And the HAL can offer them higher remuneration & better lifestyle than they’re elsewhere. West Asia, Africa & Central America are treasure troves of untapped football talent.
May 18th 2012 @ 1:14pm
AGO74 said | May 18th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
or in a global industry where there are hundreds if not thousands of unemployed footballers globally due to increasingly frugal times (Oligarch or Sheikh backed teams aside) there is a lot more quality out there than what you saw when the A-League was established in 2005. That and much more effective scouting systems in place by our clubs.
May 18th 2012 @ 2:18pm
Rob Gremio said | May 18th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Agree Fuss.
I would put South America in the same boat, albeit perhaps not in the Brazilian league, because the clubs there have been paying “european” wages for a while now (gangbusters Brazilian economy), and to a lesser extent Argentina. Leagues like Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Colombia would all be relatively fruitful hunting grounds, and with the investment that has occurred since Chavez took power in Venezuela, that country too would be a good place to scout talent.
Some of the players you might find in these countries would see Australia as a good stepping stone to bigger, richer leagues, such as the J-League or China, but that’s fine, especially if transfer fees are forthcoming.
May 18th 2012 @ 9:07pm
SUPREMO said | May 18th 2012 @ 9:07pm | Report comment
I love reading your comments Fussball, keep them coming. I as hell enjoy your input
May 19th 2012 @ 8:57am
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 19th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Thanks for that endorsement, SUPREMO – very much appreciated!
May 18th 2012 @ 9:17am
jamesb said | May 18th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
“I think the most interesting part of this debate is that the two best performed clubs in the last two years have won trophies without marquee players. Brisbane and CCM have worked wonders with shoestring budgets”
Hey Rob
100% agree with you. If anything, the knowledge and education of a coach is more valuable than getting a marquee player. Marquee players can be hit and miss, but also can be a drain in clubs finances.
Hopefully one day, when A-League clubs have huge salary caps, that “marquee player salary” could fit into a salary cap.
May 18th 2012 @ 2:04pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 18th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
The salary cap has helped keep things even, but I think the FFA should introduce a Postecoglou Tax.
That guy is becoming an unfair advantage, especially if Victory win the next 2 A-League Golden Toilet Seats.
He’s got them up again and the buzz at Victory is very good and expect a big showing against Olympiakos on Saturday and Harry’s staying and playing too.
May 19th 2012 @ 12:55am
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 19th 2012 @ 12:55am | Report comment
Looks like Harry’s not playing and is in Europe on holidays before joining up with the Socceroos squad in Denmark.
May 18th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Rob Gremio said | May 18th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
James,
That was, in part, my point, but because I was on my phone, i didn’t feel like writing a massive post. The coaching is very important, as is the ability to spot talent. Ange and Rado have this ability, and what has been problematic during the previous years of marquees has been this desire to get a “big name” without doing due diligence on whether they are still up to the task.
May 18th 2012 @ 10:20am
Swampy said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
The problem with marquee players has in large part been the failure of so many – and this has mostly been either the coaching system wasn’t built around them or the clubs just made a horrible choice (b. Deane).
Id say if SFC had of signed Fowler instead of the Fury then we would have had more examples of success of the marquee.
Like Broich, Emerton, Yorke and Kewell the player needs to be able to play above the standard of the average player in the a league
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May 18th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 18th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
The Roar fans would say that Broich is not a marquee player.. Anywhere else in the HAL he would be—why he doesn’t want to move on is a real conundrum..
May 18th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Rob Gremio said | May 18th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
because he is happy where he is, perhaps?
If he was motivated by money he would most likely never have come to Australia. It just so happens that he enjoys playing football in Brisbane, particularly the way they play football. Why go somewhere else if you are happy where you are?
There is no conundrum from where I am sitting.
May 18th 2012 @ 2:42pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 18th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
I think a lot has changed at the Roar since Ange has jumped ship.. We have just recently heard some of the key Roar players come out saying differently..
May 18th 2012 @ 6:36pm
Rob Gremio said | May 18th 2012 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
Which ones? Paartalu did mention he was surprised, but has since backed Rado to the hilt. Name names and provide some sources for your statement please. I am not taking the Micky; I really want to know who these players are and what they said.
May 19th 2012 @ 8:23am
nordster said | May 19th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
+1 Rob but don’t sit around waiting (you’ll get piles lol), QSAF = blowhard, Clive style
May 19th 2012 @ 8:50am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 19th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Yes Eric, you are right—said he would have been off to China or somewhere there abouts if it wasn’t for Ange jumping ship now putting on a brave face saying he supports Rado (can you really believe him).. Where is Izzy (?).. Early days the body language is stating to tell.. Has Nicholls left yet?
May 19th 2012 @ 10:43am
Rob Gremio said | May 19th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Issey, you mean? He was already being released. For whatever reason he didn’t quite fit at Brisbane. Nichols is going to try his luck. Why wouldn’t he? Eric decided to stay and I don’t think he is “putting on a brave face”, but I guess I’m not his mate so I don’t know for sure.
However, I reckon they can only be encouraged by the new signings and the way they played against the Chinese on Wednesday. Next season will be interesting.
May 19th 2012 @ 11:12am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | May 19th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Yes Issey—I guessed the spelling apologies for that, but Eric was very dirty on Ange from an interview I saw; so was the club on the whole as Ange was snubbed for the club awards night..
May 18th 2012 @ 10:29am
Punter said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Would any A-League club be interested in Michael Owen, hardly played in 3 years at Man U, injury prone but a marquee type player? Probably end up in MLS, China or Middle East. But here is an example.
May 18th 2012 @ 10:51am
whiskeymac said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
good example.
May 18th 2012 @ 10:59am
Mike Tuckerman said | May 18th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Not quite of the same calibre but another player I often think would be well suited to the A-League is Mikael Forssell.
May 18th 2012 @ 11:42am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | May 18th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
wouldn’t mind Park Ji-Sung myself, not that it is likely to happen.
May 18th 2012 @ 12:04pm
phutbol said | May 18th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
you know, Asian Marquee’s do make a lot of sense. the right name would potentially increase the club/league exposure in Asia, especially if its an ACL club. Would likely have to be in a marquee slot though given the wages the best in japan/korea can command.
someone like a Nakamura or similar perhaps?
May 18th 2012 @ 12:30pm
AndyRoo said | May 18th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
I think they would be great but if they were prepared to come back to Asia there is no way we could compete wage wise.
Park Ji Sung has never played in the K league and he would smash any pay check record if he was prepared to come home.
Manchester United are on TV pretty much every week and it’s built into the little box on the TV that shows the score and time remaining what Park Ji Sungs current status is… i.e.on the bench, not in the quad, on the field.
Bolton also used to be on TV nearly every week last season, but this season due to Lee Chung Yong breaking his leg they haven’t featured
May 18th 2012 @ 11:57am
ohnybob said | May 18th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
i agree mike, michael owen is not in the same class as mikael forssell.
May 18th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Mike Tuckerman said | May 18th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Heh.
May 18th 2012 @ 12:52pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | May 18th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Is the Marquee Player rule still relevant?
For me it depends on what we expect of the Marquee Rule.
From what I gather, the main objective for having the Marquee Rule was: to attract big-name players, who would pull in the crowds. Such players would demand a high salary & would be exempt from the salary cap.
In my opinion, if people are coming to watch a “big name player”, they are “event-watchers” and not loyal football fans. Nothing wrong with this, but event-watchers – by the very definition – only have interest in events. They are not going to return 13 times a year to watch the big name player.
So, I think the Marquee Rule is wasted on trying to attract “big-name players” from yesteryearv: e.g. Fowler, Aloisi, etc.
Rather, I’d prefer to see the Marquee Rule used to attract technically-gifted players, who are beyond the HAL salary cap, whose skills will be appreciated by real football fans.
To me Carlos, Flores, Fred, Ifill, Broich, Perez, are all examples of technically-gifted players, who are well worth their inflated paychecks, but they’re never going to pull thousands of event-watchers through the turnstiles.
May 18th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Realfootball said | May 18th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
+1
May 18th 2012 @ 1:18pm
AGO74 said | May 18th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Agree. That and with respect to Robbie Fowler, whilst his presence increased some crowds it cheapens the integrity by saying(or at the least implying) that a 36 year old has been is the star player of our domestic league.