Could an AFL player make it in the NRL?
By Vanilla Gorilla, 20 May 2012 Vanilla Gorilla is a Roar Pro
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It has been a common occurrence that NRL players have been converted to other sports, most notably rugby and more recently the AFL, in the pursuit of big paychecks.
Whether codes are handing out these dollar bills in an attempt to kill off rugby league or boost interest in their own sport I am unsure.
However it did provide me with a great inner monologue while flicking between the Warriors v Wests Tigers and the Collingwood v Geelong games.
Could an AFL player make it in the NRL and could League get some pay back for the code cheating nature of guys like Rodgers, Tuqiri, Hunt, Sailor and so many more?
Before we start I would like to point out that at no point would an AFL player survive in the NRL unless an entire off-season was spent hooked to a drip of Createin and bench-pressing everything they came in contact with.
Their frames are not big enough at this point to survive… Manu Vatuvei might actually kill one of them.
However they do possess great skill sets, agility and an absurd level of fitness. Could it just be a case of bulking a select few up?
The rules and strategies of Rugby League are pretty easy to understand in comparison to other sports and could be picked up relatively quickly.
I think this could be a conceivable concept, it may never happen, but lets imagine for a while. Lets just pretend we are at your local, we have had a few pints, we are talking about crazy ideas, everyone loves doing this don’t they?
My number one choice would be Nic Natinui.
Nic would be a natural on the wing; he would be a dominant force in fact. Just think Israel Falau. Nic is 200cm but bucks all of the loping, “gumby” stereotypes that surround anyone that gets above this magic number.
He possesses a standing jump of 78cm and a running leap of 1.03 meters, which are AFL draft camp records. With a run up he is getting to vertigo inducing heights of 3-4 meters in the air.
Imagine him underneath a high ball near the goal line with his ability to either commit to an AFL like pack mark, of which he is notorious, or use his skill as a ruck man to tap it down to a following player.
I cannot think of too many people in the NRL who could defend this sort of vertical assault.
This would also be more pertinent if Perth gets an NRL team. Nic is a marketing teams version of Jesus.
He is instantly recognizable through appearance alone, his hair, his physique and charismatic charm make the concept of him in the NRL instantly feasible. He is the polite almost innocent looking face that rugby league could use to improve its image, which has not been great in recent years.
My second choice would be Cyril Rioli to play at full back.
Think Preston Campbell. Both of them are small men, both have great speed and both can turn on a dime. Cyril would provide another option in the in goal area with a substantial vertical leap or his ability to snipe balls which are tapped to the ground. Cyril also provides another kicking option whether it is for field position or for bombing it into the in-goal area.
My only reservation would be his ability to tackle in the open field if he is left as the last line of defense. His tackling technique would need some serious work.
My third would be Mike Pyke. Luckily for him he already has a pedigree in Rugby and Brad Thorn, Mark Ellis and John Kirwin have shown the jump from Union to League is not to far. He has unbelievable pace, having been one of few men to ever run down Sitiveni Sivivatu.
At 200cm and 104kg you could almost play him anywhere. I would love to see him in the centers, almost like a less talented, melanin-impaired version of Greg Inglis.
Barry Hall is another who would have thrived in rugby league. He already sports an uncanny resemblance to Kevin Campion and has the same compulsion to punch people in the head.
He has a weathered digit that would not be misplaced in any front row and he contains that angry gene which appears to be required for any fat man. Also he would love a sport where he can fight and not be punished so savagely for it.
Here is where I get a touch controversial and AFL fans will lambast me with comments about my idiocy, but hear me out.
Chris Judd and Garry Ablett do not make it.
They are great AFL players and they would offer a great deal in terms of the kicking game. However I do not think that you could transpose an Aussie rules player into the halves in a rugby league team strait away.
The halves offer the direction for the team, they need to be able to create the space required by their outside players. They are the generals.
Think of the really good halves at the moment: Carney, Shaun Johnson and Benji Marshall. They have the ability to run laterally and either explode with a great step and break the line or provide skip passes and wrap around plays to confuse defenses. It seems unless you have played that position for a substantial period of time you will be a jack-of-all-trades but master of nothing. Hayne is my case and point here.
This may seem fanciful but some AFL players could thrive and with the threat of expansion of the NRL competition into the AFL backyards of Adelaide and Perth it may be a great idea.
They would be cult heroes, given that Australians love an under dog or “battler.” The supporters would get behind them in their efforts to conquer something, which, until recently, was completely foreign.
If it is to happen it should be done wisely. Pick those who have a greater chance of succeeding, not just the biggest names. Also pick those who will survive. Remember, they won’t be playing tidily-winks.
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May 20th 2012 @ 6:09am
a said | May 20th 2012 @ 6:09am | Report comment
It’s all about the money for code switchers, so until the NRL salary cap is near AFL’s it wont happen.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:13pm
Lazy Ted Failyou said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
There has already been someone from an Aussie rules background make it in RL. A bloke called Dally Messenger. He grew up playing footy in Fitzroy, Melbourne.
There was another fella around the war era that had played in the VFL and went onto play in the NSWRL, cannot remember his name. I am sure it is out there. Jim Stiff in the 1930s.
Three NRL clubs too their names and colours from Aussie rules, the Bears, Easts and Balmain.
If NSWRL did not turn up in 1908, it would have been Aussie rules v. union. In our own game you could get paid, but in union, it was not permitted so footy got locked out of enclosed arenas and the rest is history.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:38pm
The Cattery said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
On top of Dally M, let’s not forget the greatest NRL player of all, Darren Lockyer, played aussie rules till he was 14.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:54pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
Aussie Rules players such as Adam Goodes and Brad Green were standout junior football players. Rugby League’s Andrew Johns starred with the round ball as a junior in Newcastle. Aboriginal player Preston Campbell loved playing football as a boy and the Waugh twins Steve and Mark, played representative football before deciding on cricket.
Even Cazaly had an English father and Scottish mother and loved football and played it as a kid before he played Aussie Rules.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm
The Cattery said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm | Report comment
Mate – everyone plays soccer growing up – there would not be one person alive in Australia who has never played soccer.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:18pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
And Soccer players don’t count do they.
All that matters is Aussie Rules.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:26pm
stabpass said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:26pm | Report comment
@ ICAR, thats right, this thread is not about soccer, its about Australian football and Rugby League.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:30pm
The Cattery said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:30pm | Report comment
Well, the article does carry a little picture of a Sherrin up the top.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:31pm
The_Wookie said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
thats what this article seems to be about at least. Its not Soccer players who could convert to afl and nrl
May 20th 2012 @ 9:39pm
ItsCalled AussieRules said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:39pm | Report comment
Wait a minute, you are saying that someone who played AFL as a kid can play NRL, but it doesn’t matter if you played football as a kid because eveyone played football as a kid,
Its a bit different playing a sport as a kid to being a full time professional.
Football is a great game for kids and gives them the skill, technique and courage to play any sport.
Lets face it though, Hunt and Folau wouldn’t be playing Aussie Rules if the AFL offered them less money than the Broncos could afford, would they.
The AFL has turned professional sport into a circus and marketing exercise.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:43pm
The Cattery said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
That’s what the article is about, so it’s pointless bleating about other sports.
You mean this is the first time you’ve ever noticed professional sport is part circus and marketing??
May 22nd 2012 @ 9:30am
Pot Stirrer said | May 22nd 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Thats a stretch to call lockyer the greatest of all time. He should be an immortal in the future but greatest of all? NO
June 21st 2012 @ 3:10am
Ditraversa said | June 21st 2012 @ 3:10am | Report comment
a said it all – it is all about money. who knowns how many, who and if AFL players could have succeeded. But instinct tells me no sport switcher will ever be as good in his/her switch sport that the one they’ve played since childhood. Maybe like learning the piano from when you 20 versus from when you’re 5?
On the other hand, we’re not saying code-swirching players have to be stars right? I mean, Hunt is starting to look like a pretty formidable and servicable AFL player, Are you seriously telling me that talent such as Ablett, Judd, Goodes couldn’t make it in League skill wise> If you are than pull the other one. Based on toughness? This is a subject fraught with prejudices, but, again, are you seriously telling me that Jonno Brown, wouldn’t step right in now and smash all but the very biggest and hardest league Players? I mean have you seen the guy – he exhudes the kind of menace and tough physicality that only the biggest and tougest leaguies could match.
May 20th 2012 @ 7:38am
Toa said | May 20th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Criteria for a successful transition
1 – versatility 2 – versatility 3 – versatility
Fans will automatically grant athletic visas to players who they identify through stats & media commentary which are usually your top 10 players. Code transfer should be base on the athletes versatility to process information through the his/her mental & physical attributes.
Personally for any athlete that lacks theses skill sets will struggle. Any top line AFL backmen have a good chance of succeeding. The unrewarding job description along with the ability to defend against onfeild forward pressure for players like Scarlett, Shaw,Bock and Daniel Merret could well have the skills to succeed.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:01am
The Greatest Game Of All said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Agree NRL needs to secure big payday first, I like the Nic Natnui idea purely for promotional sake in Perth.
Lol Sykes,Inglis would destroy him. The Northern Territory guys would go good as alot play Rugby League and Aussie Rules growing up espescially in places like Darwin, Kathrine, Alice Springs.
Liam Jurrah caught my attention on fox sports news, rare athlete, a good off season could turn him into a desent fullback.
Rugby League isn’t a ‘high and mighty’ sport, if you make it you will be accepted, it is a simple game they reckon, not so when Dave Taylor, Tony Williams, Manu Vatuvei are coming to get you.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:19am
yewonk said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
buddy franklin definately.
May 20th 2012 @ 11:34am
Aljay said | May 20th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
I think it might have been Buddy himself who came out and said something along the lines of “I couldn’t play league, those guys would smash me”, although it was possibly Brendon Fevola who said it, can’t remember.
If he had played a full contact sport growing up, different story.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:44am
Old Rugby Boy said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Everyone forgets that Robert DiPierdomenico played in a charity Rugby League game and among a couple of other AFL players, the Dipper stood out. He was impressive. The others struggled. Any good athelite with a footbal brain will do well at any code, given time.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:58pm
Maximus said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:58pm | Report comment
I remember Dipper in the game but there were no other AFL players. It was a an Old Boys game with Wally lewis, Brett kenny, Terry Hill – about 10 years ago in Brisbane..
May 20th 2012 @ 9:27am
Hoy said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I have no doubt they would be skillfull enough in time.
But the physicality of the two games are very different. We had a bloke come down from Katherine at school. He had played AFL all his life. Man he was a big bloke.but just couldn’t put his shoulder into tackles as required in rugby. He could get there, and grab, but just hadn’t worked out the shoulder part of the tackle. It is a small thing, but it is instinct. That is what would be very hard to teach I think.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:48am
Rob said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
I don’t believe an AFL player could ever make it to the top in NRL.
They are not bulit for it. They’ve got necks.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:48am
doubledutch said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Of course they could, just like some NRL players may be able to make it at AFL level.
The real question you should be asking is could an AFL player make it on sporting merit in the NRL and not marketting value?
Both Falou and Hunt would not have made this cut and despite Hunt starting to look promosing, the amount of time and effort put into him will not pay off over time, not for a contending premiership team anyway.
I work in the field of sports science and I can tell you now you could take an AFL player and sculpt them into a NRL player much easier than you could the other way around.
Before I get onto this, there are certain positions in league this would not be as easy for, that being the wing positions which you mentioned would be easy. Great wing players are usually 95 plus kg players with a lot of straight line power and I’m talking raw power. This would not be easy for an any AFL player to come across and be. Folou was a winger and he was 102kg pure power which is why he is struggling going the other way.
The full back position, however, would be farely easy physically for an AFL player to make it, but it also requires more creativity. Could this be learnt quickly, well that depends on the tallent of the player and players like Chris Judd and Gary Ablett fit this mould far greater than anything you have mentioned. They are creative thinkers, it is what they do 24/7 and they live in a 360 degree field of player, unlike a league player. It is far more feasible players like this would be able to adapt to these positions such as half back and 5/8 much quicker than the power positions.
There is a saying. You can build a marathon runner, but you a born a sprinter. This is very true for many positions on a league pitch, which is why many positions would be out for AFL players. This is also true for certain positions in the AFL which require fast ballistic muscle fibres, but a lighter frame. Remember this year when Natinui was rucking against Folou? Well I do and Folou was jumping about 3 feet below Natinui and Folou was regarded as having the greatest verticle leap in the NRL!
You also have to take the mental toughness of a player also when it comes to training. AFL training is FAR more stringent and taxing than NRL, both Folou and Hunt have testified to this. When you watch the most elite athletes after 2 minutes of fast player they are absolutely spent. This can not be said about to many NRL periods of play, it is very stop start. It is also the reason the Demons are so poor because they have mentally weak players who are not pushing the gas tanks to the limit.
To build elite cardio capacity, agility and the right muscle balance required in the AFL is far more mentally tough than buidling limited cardio capacity and a big muscle frame. Don’t for a second think I’m saying it would be quicker building up a bulky frame for NRL, because that is not true, it would take probably 2 years, but it would not be nearly as mentally tough.
Saying that, players like Ablett would probably not have to put on much weight to play in the positions I have mentioned, more so shifting weight to different areas which would be a lot easier mentally than Hunt having to increase his cardio capacity which is tough if you are not a dedicated athlete.
The only may you would ever see a legitimate defection of an AFL player would be if they could make it the very next season. Based on this fact you therefore can really on rule in the players who would not require huge transformations in the body build and that pretty much only leaves the creative players. This means tallent comes into play, but also a MASSIVE price tag.
Therefore in order for this to happen, not only would the NRL’s salary cap have to double to match the AFL’s, you would require a team to probably offer double what a player like Judd is already on to make them switch. The risk vs reward needs to be this high to make them move. 200-300K will not make players like this switch, millions of dollars will and the NRL wont have this anytime soon and if they do the AFL will probably have 10′s of millions so I doubt we will ever see this.
In summary, interesting article which has been done before. I’m sure it will get many hits because it is kind of like a league vs afl article which people love to argue about, but at the end of the day I can’t say I agree with a huge amount of it.
May 20th 2012 @ 10:20am
Toa said | May 20th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Theres a good argument for Judd & Ablett but i wouldn’t discount the fact that high quality backmen have more of a chance covering several NRL positions than just one or two. Daniel Merret think 13,12,11,3,4,2,5,&1 he’s certainly has the capabilities but in the end does he want the challenge?
May 20th 2012 @ 11:48am
dan said | May 20th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
so there’s someone almost as versatile as Brad Fitler running around in the AFL?
May 20th 2012 @ 2:44pm
Toa said | May 20th 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Absolutely,
Football fantasy fans will aways gauge their favourite player with the notion their abilities is unreachable by others. Each & every code has certain players that have the ability to cross over whether they carry both the mental & physical versatility trait is another matter. Again I firmly believe you cannot have one trait & not the other but above all in real time you need to want to satisfy yourself and nobody else.
I think we underestimate the pressure that these converts have to live up to especially if the perception is base around financial benefits. Sure theres the financial gain but most importantly the individual credibility & reputation goes on the line. I was told Darren Locker refer to Hunts leaving as one of shear guts & a decision regardless of the cash is one that he himself could not do.
May 20th 2012 @ 7:13pm
jdubya said | May 20th 2012 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
That is ridiculous.
Brad Fittler was great not because of his physical abilities but because he had spent his entire life honing his skills playing the game. That is the point being missed in this debate. As they say you need the magic 10000 hours before you can fully master something – Andrew Johns, Fittler, Lockyer had well over 10000 hours logged. Pure athletes never have a big imprint in the NRL – they only do when they also have the game imprinted into their brain like a Billy Slater or a Folau. Thinking you can recreate these hours, the vision they had on the field and their football ability in a short period just because they have athletic ability is laughable.
No AFL player would ever be successful in the NRL and likewise for NRL players going to the AFL.
May 20th 2012 @ 8:12pm
Toa said | May 20th 2012 @ 8:12pm | Report comment
Its the quality of time rather than quantity.
BY your logic how do you explain Hunt’s abilities to cross over from fullback to Biarritz as a fly half & lead his team to a Heineken cup final playing with & against players with more than 10000hrs compare to his 4000hrs? If Hunts performances of 3000hrs in the midfield is of average standards gee I wonder what he can provide at 10000hrs.
May 20th 2012 @ 10:00pm
Maximus said | May 20th 2012 @ 10:00pm | Report comment
There was a tall guy who played AFL Qld in the park and then played RL fullback for Qld 15 years ago but he only played at the top level for a few years…
May 21st 2012 @ 4:55am
dan said | May 21st 2012 @ 4:55am | Report comment
Paul Hauff?
May 21st 2012 @ 9:55pm
Matthew Healey (@beerial4brekky) said | May 21st 2012 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
I would love to see Joel Selwood at fullback in League.
And with a couple of years under his belt could move to 5/8 or half.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:51am
Renegade said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
I don’t know….maybe the same reason as Folau and Hunt.
May 20th 2012 @ 9:52am
The Cattery said | May 20th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
If you’re willing to invest heavily over a 3 year period, with specialist coaching, 24/7, almost anything is possible.