Dear AFL: Give us a break
By Sh00ter, 21 May 2012 Sh00ter is a Roar Rookie
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On six occasions this season, Geelong and the Western Bulldogs (both 4-4) have faced a team with a shorter break. For North Melbourne (3-5) it’s been seven occasions.
Each year the AFL is set with the difficult task of making the schedule fair for all clubs.
However, if the draw is to even out in terms of breaks between games, these teams should receive more rest in the middle or latter stages of this season.
The fixture is often judged in terms of top eight and bottom eight opponents, but while there is always some movement from year to year, the five, six, seven and eight day breaks have the same effect.
Channel Seven expert medico Dr. Peter Larkins this week said that the rising trend of injury incidents in 2012 is a concern.
Teams with an extra 1-2 day break in their following match could have a significant advantage in terms of preparing their players and injury recovery.
Here is what the AFL ladder would look like through 8 rounds, if it was based on teams with a break advantage always winning.
1. Adelaide 8-0
2. Essendon 6-2
3. Carlton 5-3
4. Collingwood 5-3
5. Hawthorn 5-3
6. St Kilda 5-3
7. West Coast 5-3
8. Brisbane 4-4
9. Gold Coast 4-4
10. Melbourne 4-4
11. Sydney 4-4
12. Fremantle 3-5
13. GWS 3-5
14. Port Adelaide 3-5
15. Richmond 3-5
16. Geelong 2-6
17. Western Bulldogs 2-6
18. North Melbourne 1-7
(Note: round one winners were selected by market odds favourite. Teams on the same number of wins are in alphabetical order)
This shows that Adelaide, through eight rounds, did not play a team with a shorter break. Along with Essendon, they have capitalised on their advantageous draws to be sitting in the top four at 7-1 in the season proper.
West Coast has had to do it tougher for their 7-1 start facing three opponents with a shorter break. Hawthorn also versus three has only managed a 5-3 start, whereas Sydney versus four has managed a very credible 6-2, also putting them inside the top four
Geelong (2), Western Bulldogs (2) and North Melbourne (1) have managed to start 4-4, 4-4 and 3-5 respectively, whereas Melbourne and the Gold Coast, who have been gifted significantly better draws in terms of rest, have both started without a win.
There are not usually too many changes in the final 8 after round eight each season (currently West Coast, Adelaide, Essendon, Sydney, Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn, Fremantle make up the top 8), however with some longer breaks due to come their way later in the season, don’t write off Geelong fighting their way in.
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May 21st 2012 @ 9:32am
TomC said | May 21st 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
‘On six occasions this season, Geelong and the Western Bulldogs (both 4-4) have faced a team with a shorter break. For North Melbourne (3-5) it’s been seven occasions.’
To me, that reads like those teams’ opponents had shorter breaks.
This data needs to be broken down further. For example, I don’t think it’s such a big deal when teams are coming off a shorter break, but are playing in the same city while their opponent has to travel. Also I doubt there’s much disadvantage in coming off a seven day break when your opponent gets eight.
The Kangaroos, for example, played GWS off an eight day break in round two, while GWS had two weeks. Under your table I guess that counts as a ‘loss’ for the Kangaroos but that’s not realistic.
And didn’t the Roos have a longer break than both Geelong in round 3 and than West Coast in round 6?
Finally, how were games where both teams came off the same break accounted for in that table? Looking through the fixture it seems that Adelaide have often played teams with the same number of days between games as themselves. Have you just gone with the result as it happened?
May 21st 2012 @ 10:14am
Sh00ter said | May 21st 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
I forgot to say in the case of two teams playing each other off the same break, the home team was selected as the winner. Thanks Tom for the reminder.
May 21st 2012 @ 10:27am
The Cattery said | May 21st 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
It is interesting to see Adelaide and Essendon clearly top two in this ladder, there is probably something to this argument.
May 21st 2012 @ 11:09am
Nathan of Perth said | May 21st 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
honestly don’t think a 6 vice 7 day break difference is worth anything. As long as you have had 6 days you should be clear to go.
May 21st 2012 @ 11:21am
The Cattery said | May 21st 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
If a team has two or three 6 day breaks in a row, it probably starts to show.
May 21st 2012 @ 11:31am
Lats said | May 21st 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Boys, I raised this point last week when the Bombers thrashed the Eagles. WCE had one less day to recover, and had to travel… Bombers fans all said I was a whinger.
But the fact is, an extra days break is a big advantage in AFL.. as is playing at home.. so teams should get either;
a.) home ground advantage or;
b) the extra days break…
No team should get both an extra days rest and home ground advantage.
Back in the old days… Melbourne games were on Saturday, Interstate games on Sunday.. so all teams eventually ended up having the same recovery times..
I really think we need to go back to this system.. Im an Eagles fan, but feel for the Saints, who had to travel to Subi and play a top side with a days less rest.. same thing the Eagles had to do the previous week against the Bombers..
Its not whinging.. its facts. Really enjoyed this article by the way
May 21st 2012 @ 11:40am
Lats said | May 21st 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
For example, on Anzac day, you could have 3 games on the same day.. Pies Versus Dons at midday, Port versus Crows 2pm.. Eagles versus Dockers 5pm (EST).. over the next 2 weeks, those 6 sides could all play each other with exactly the same recovery times.. ergo, following Sunday.. Sunday and then Saturday.. just an Idea
May 21st 2012 @ 11:49am
Sh00ter said | May 21st 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Good idea re Anzac Day Lats.
Dr. Turf just said on Melbourne radio SEN, North have faded badly in their their last three final quarters. I’m tipping they lament the fact their opponets have all had a longer break! We all thought they had a dream draw at the beginning of the season with GWS, Gold Coast, the Bulldogs and Power in the first eight rounds but look at them now!
May 21st 2012 @ 12:27pm
TomC said | May 21st 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Shooter, in those three games they had the same break as the Power, and a longer break than West Coast!
And in the other game, against the Bulldogs, the margin was the same at 3/4 quarter time as full time.
There’s a discussion going on on another article about the Roos midfield’s youth and lack of endurance. I think those two things are more likely explanations.
May 21st 2012 @ 12:02pm
Jaceman said | May 21st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Difficult with so many Melbourne teams having little travel during the year vrs the non Melbourne teams having to travel nearly every fortnight (up to 10 times a year). This partly overcomes the fact that the home team (either melbourne team playing visitor) or non Melbourne playing a travelling visitor) has a tremendous advantage. But playing 20 games in and around Melbourne is a terrific advantage but the fact that there are now 8 “interstate” sides means that will even out somewhat…
May 21st 2012 @ 1:42pm
ManInBlack said | May 21st 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
okay – regarding breaks.
Given the full time professional environment now –
how about we have ‘road trips’. The QLD/NT road trip for the toggies. Start in Brisbane, play the Lions on Sunday arvo, next week, the Suns on Sat arvo, the week after, someone or other in Darwin Saturday night. All the while based out of……well, who knows where…….but, given 2 weeks to acclimatise on a mini ‘tour’ and not flying back and forth and get those pesky interstate trips out of the way.
I’m not sure how serious I am on this – but, from the perspective of going to Perth – would even a Sunday game followed by a Friday night game with Eagles and Dockers back to back – get it over and done with – would that short break between games more than be made up for by only trekking to the West once and staying in the Quest apartments in Perth for a week.
May 21st 2012 @ 1:55pm
Sh00ter said | May 21st 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
There is some merit in that MIB. Pretty sure Geelong stayed on the Gold Coast for a week last year before playing Brisbane in their second QLD match in a week.
May 21st 2012 @ 2:11pm
The Cattery said | May 21st 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
I remember one year the Bears experimented with staying in Perth for consecutive away games.
I don’t think it helped them all that much.
May 21st 2012 @ 2:14pm
The Cattery said | May 21st 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Actually, I take that back. It happened in 1995, they did lose both games convincingly (Freo’s first year in the comp too), but they did make the finals for the first time that season, losing narrowly to eventual premier, Carlton, in the first week.
May 21st 2012 @ 4:08pm
Sh00ter said | May 21st 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
Remember there were about ten outs for Freo when they played the Hawks in Tassie in about round 21 a few years ago. People said they shouldn’t flirt with form but about two weeks later they beat the Hawks in a home final, with all their stars playing big games after the extra rest!
May 22nd 2012 @ 6:10pm
joe blackswan said | May 22nd 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
a fair call to have all the players rested for that game. It is pretty unreasonable to have a perth based team catch two flights to get to tassie in order to play a melbourne side…could you imagine the whining from melbourne clubs if the eagles or dockers played some home games up at exmouth or down at esperance. Hawthorn are basically cheating by picking the team with the longest distance to travel in order to get an unfair advantage over them.
May 21st 2012 @ 2:24pm
Matt F said | May 21st 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Given that Collingwood and Essendon (to use one example) both had the exact same break leading into ANZAC Day, shouldn’t that be counted as a draw on your ladder?
May 21st 2012 @ 3:39pm
Wayno said | May 21st 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
almost was.
May 21st 2012 @ 4:05pm
Sh00ter said | May 21st 2012 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
Good point Matt. I gave the win to the Pies as the home team (and regular MCC tenant). See correction note below…
>I forgot to say in the case of two teams playing each other off the same break, the home team was selected as the winner. Thanks Tom for the reminder.