That Origin try: Did Inglis score or did the refs get it wrong?
Roar Guru By The Roar, 23 May 2012
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The key moment of Origin game 1 was decided by the referees: Greg Inglis was awarded a controversial try after dropping it after Robbie Farah’s foot dislodged the ball.
This is how The Roar’s live blog called the moment:
“VIDEO REFEREE – Inglis looks to have grounded the football here as Slater bats a Cronk kick back.“
The video showed Inglis appearing to drop the ball cold. The Channel 9 commentary team were in agreement it was clearly a knock-on.
Further replays showed Robbie Farah running in to make a tackle, and his foot kicking the ball out, which Inglis then drops forward before he grounds the ball.
However, there is a rule that the ball cannot be kicked out of the hands to save a try, for player safety reasons.
As replays show, the ball is shown to roll down Inglis’ arm, which to the naked eye looks to be a knock-on.
Again, from The Roar’s live blog:
“TRY QLD – Inglis scores the try but that is one of the most disgraceful decisions that I have ever seen. NSW should be hard done by there. Inglis lost that football!!!“
The follow-up comments left by Roarers say it all:
“WORST decision in history”
“The Inglis try is in the grand final of shocking decisions ever made.”
“As a neutral observor from Victoria, I found it a fantastic game to watch with high quality plays happening all the time. I feel as if NSW were robbed with the 72min Greg Inglis try as Inglis clearly knocked it on. Can’t wait till game 2 in Sydney!”
“An utterly devestating performance by the referees tonight, clearly dominating the contest”
“Cecchin is an ancient aboriginal word meaning: man who cannot visit NSW” (@aaronkearneyaus)
We’ll have footage of the incident as soon as it comes to hand. In the meantime, how did you see it?
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:37pm
Wrong call said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:37pm | Report comment
Yep – it wasn’t a good call. No way it could actually be called a try. No dangerous motion from Robbie Farah. Inglis dropped it, didn’t plant it, and celebrated like a Hollywood star.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm
Raugeee said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
Right call
May 24th 2012 @ 1:14am
llieno said | May 24th 2012 @ 1:14am | Report comment
It was definitely the wrong call and I’m a Queenslander. That’s a knock-on in anyone’s book. @ Wrong call I’m pretty sure the NSW team celebrated like Hollywood stars when Farah was held up too, so settle down.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:54am
Stanley Grella said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:54am | Report comment
Thing is. TRY is the wrong call.
If Farrah kicked it, which was the judgement. then Inglis still knocked it on therefore it should have been a penalty try.
The call actually meant that Hamstead was saing there was no kick and no knock on.
May 24th 2012 @ 7:34am
Ask said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
I agree that Stanly is correct, the only thing incorrect about the call was that it was a Try not a Penalty Try. I see two possible interpretations 1. Farah stripped the ball by playing at it with his feet, thus thats not a knock in the field of play nor is it one in goal, the only caveat is that in goal there is no limit to the amount of tacklers allowed to be involved. 2. what I believe should have been the correct call – Farah attacked the ball with his feet to prevent a try ala what Slater has been penalised for before = Penalty Try.
May 24th 2012 @ 8:00am
DingoBob said | May 24th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Finally someone here who knows hte rules. The rest of you please pay attention.
May 24th 2012 @ 9:00am
sunshine said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
If that is the case then why was a penalty try not awarded when cam smith slid in knees first to hold up farah? 10-0 and on a roll after 20mins would have changed the entire shape of the game. Once again rules applied to one team and not another.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:09pm
JohnY said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Depends what the definition of a “kick” is. The ball didn’t touch his foot. His foot was on the ground and the ball came off his knee (or thereabouts). Farrah didn’t move his leg towards Inglis, but didn’t move it out of the way either (don’t tell me – then it must be a penalty try for an attempted trip….). After that it was propelled forward off Inslis’ forearm. BTW They should have spent as long looking at Thaiday grounding……..
May 24th 2012 @ 2:52pm
Dino said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
I’m not sure what the rule states, but I don’t think you can unequivocally state Farrah “kicked” out at Inglis when he is putting the ball down and therefore deem it is a penalty try. Farrah’s foot is planted when Inglis’ hands with the ball land on top of his foot and it dislodges the ball, knock on. Since 1908 it’s been a knock on!
May 24th 2012 @ 10:28am
andy said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
because he slid in with the knees to prop up the player on his back and not to dislodge the ball.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:08am
Pedro said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
The ref should have ordered a change over immediately. Slater did not tap the ball backwards from the kick. I have just watched the slow motion replay a dozen times and at best it drops directly down from where he makes first contact. This is without doubt a knock on from Slater.
May 30th 2012 @ 6:59am
Noel said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
It’s a while since the incident occurred and there are those who still cannot get a handle on what is and what isn’t when it comes to the decision in question . With all due respect to those who have entered into the debate , bias has been evident in all of the accounts that I have either read or heard on the matter , and you may include this effort in that category if you know that I am a Queenslander , however for what it ts worth this is my informed take on what has become the most contentious point debated in Origin , even if it wasn’t a defining the winner of the match , in recent years. Point 1 Inglis had the ball in his position and about to ground it to claim a try . Point 2 , Robbie Farrah removed the ball from the Inglis grasp with his foot and would be regarded as playing at the ball every bit as much as Billy Slater was when the rule was created to prevent the action of using the feet to prevent the scoring of a try . Point 3 Inglis then has the ball strike his arm and is propelled forward to the ground before he Inglis places his hand on the ball claiming a try . THE CORRECT ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION . FARRAH HAS USED HIS FOOT TO REMOVE THE BALL FROM THE INGLIS GRASP . THE BALL HAS REBOUNDED OFF THE INGLIS ARM , KNOCK ON . DECISION : PENALTY TO QUEENSLAND . For the doubters , why is it a knock on . The rule states , and always did , that a knock on occurs when the ball is propelled forward toward the opposition ingoal by the hand or arm , whether it so called “intentional” or not , there is no such thing as not playing at the ball if it comes off the hand or arm forward to the ground , opposition player or goal post , most importantly it was no try . Bill Harrigan didn’t take time to think before wading into the bebate .
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:38pm
kabab said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
wtf man knock on! hard out! brother neva hit da ground, should have neva been awarded
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:40pm
Lacey said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Sean Hampstead should really think about his decisions. We don’t want another Bill Harrigan. Just saying
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:41pm
damoinaus said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:41pm | Report comment
Hampstead TOOK TOO LONG to make that decision!!! He was searching for a reason to award it, which is what really gets me. He stopped, replayed and reviewed for forever and a day. If he goes in with intent – looking for a reason to award a try – he’s going to find one.
Farah’s foot was pretty well planted and Inglis tried to force it and fumbled.
Tomorrow the papers will be talking about the Inglis (no) try, but the turning point for me was the refs calling Bird’s tackle on Cronk a dangerous lift. If he really believed it was dangerous – why wasn’t Bird placed on report????NSW defended gallantly that set of six – only to get penalised for playing proper, tough Origin footy. Let it flow, refs…the fans won’t hate on you so much.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:44pm
Dan said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:44pm | Report comment
Excellent point. There was also a tackle that wasn’t much different shortly after, but by QLD.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:48pm
damoinaus said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:48pm | Report comment
I think I saw that one – merrin’s legs were straight up in the air like a honeymooners d—.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:59pm
Dan said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:59pm | Report comment
LOL, I was actually disappointed with both Dragons players. Looks like it’ll be Watmough in for Creagh, me thinks. Merrin might survive another game.
May 24th 2012 @ 12:21am
damoinaus said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:21am | Report comment
Yeah the Dragons werent at their best. But asking Creagh to play through the middle, I think, is a bit much – he started first grade on the wing didn’t he? He ain’t no prop.
Choc watmough will be fully fit for game 2 and will be breathing fire for being overlooked. Surely he will be in the side.
May 24th 2012 @ 12:37am
Cnut said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:37am | Report comment
Im a roosters supporter but Watmough, had a MOTH performance I reckon against us last weekend. Origin player through and through. He must be a given…or there is a bloke called Boyd Cordner …captained the NSW under 20′s to the first even SOO against QLD a few weeks ago….Well done Boyd. There is also a 20 year old monster called Kane Evans..all 115kg (skinny) of him. Also scored a try in the same game. I’d say it was from 45 meters and brushed six defenders. NSW.. we are in good hands going forward. But Tau Tau will be a bother. Roosters….we gunna win some..and some more..and more..Marto, Jake, Aidan, T-Bomb, Taka, Lama, Mose ,Cords, JWH, F P the W B and there is depth behind even that. Poor old Cherro can’t take a trick. Will be fully fit soon. Tommy S..Joshy…………2012…I hope we can snag 8th. 2013 top 4. If haven’t done it in 2013 will definitely have another premiership in 2014. Thanks Craig ;0
May 24th 2012 @ 2:34pm
Big_Marn2000 said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Merrin was good I thought. He made 30 tackles in 38 minutes – the 4th most of any NSW player. The guys who beat him were Gallen (33), G Stewart (34) and Farah (38). Thats a huge effort by Merrin considering he only played 38 minutes while Gallen and Stewart played 80 and Farah played 73. Merrin also made 8 hitups for 77 meters (close to 10m per run). He’s definitely got a big future ahead of him with NSW. While Creagh was a bit disappointing in his limited game time, I’d prefer to see him retain his place with Watmough coming in for Buhrer as he doesn’t really add anything to the team. It’s one thing to have a bench utility when he’s a world class utility player like Gidley (although I know I’m in a minority with this opinion). But having a utility for the sake of having a utility is just stupid.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:41pm
Roarsome said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:41pm | Report comment
Without Farah playing at the ball, Inglis would have scored so by the rules it’s a fair try. Thing is though, if it happens at any other part of the field, it’s a knock on. Tough one though that’s the problem with the processes involving the video ref.
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May 23rd 2012 @ 10:45pm
Ceebow said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:45pm | Report comment
roarsome – hahahahaha who konws more about footy, you or Fatty vaughton? im sure fatty knows more and he said we were robbed by the worst call made in history.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:48pm
Raugeee said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:48pm | Report comment
Absolutely Right call
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:01pm
Dan said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:01pm | Report comment
Farah didn’t play at the ball Inglis forced it onto Farah’s foot and lost control in a forward motion constituting a clear knock on.
Another point is the initial bat back was also line ball a knock on so in retrospect and looking at the entire play there was more evidence to support disallowing the try than anything else.
What makes it worse is that it puts the game into disrepute and more so since the game was played in Melbourne, where they are trying to grow the sport.
As a fan of Rugby League I felt deflated after that call so I can only imagine what the Blues must have thought. Brent Tate should have been in the bin as well he was one of the first “third men in”. Jennings’ shot was cheap but looking at the footage you’ll find Tate also throws a punch before Jennings comes in. I’m guessing but I think Jennings went in when he saw Tate throw a punch.
Anyway, life goes on…………………………..
May 24th 2012 @ 9:07am
Happy Hooker said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Farah kicks at it and it then travels forward from Inglis’ hands. No try.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:44pm
AGO74 said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:44pm | Report comment
It is the right call from the refs. Farah was clearly going for a 40/20 when trying to stop Inglis scoring.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm
Ceebow said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm | Report comment
i guesss ur a qlder then?
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:55pm
Patrick said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:55pm | Report comment
And you’re from NSW?
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:05pm
Dan said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:05pm | Report comment
Am I the only one that understands the sarcasm of AGO74? I actually thought Farah was going for a spiral bomb that would have come down near QLD’s try line and NSW would have scored. ie a potential 12 point turn around!!!
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:14pm
E said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:14pm | Report comment
those guys above really don’t know what sarcasm is huh
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:19pm
Adrian Bauk said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:19pm | Report comment
That is the best call all night!! I think it’s a no try but reading everyones thoughts it seems like a 50/50 decision! I still think the telling tale was the decision for penalty goal when clearly the better side at the time!
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm
Copy said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm | Report comment
What a disgrace shame on you hamstead, robbed again, no way was that a try inglis breaks record what a joke, disgusted
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm
Chris Chard said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:46pm | Report comment
BOWRAVILLE BOOT GATE!
Read it here first……phwoooooooaaaaarrr!
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
“Greg Inglis was awarded a controversial try after dropping it after Robbie Farah’s foot dislodged the ball.”
If Farah’s foot dislodged the ball then Inglis didn’t drop it. Farah played at the ball intentionally. It’s no different to slapping the ball out of a player’s hands.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:34pm
Jonny G said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:34pm | Report comment
If Inglis had managed to hold onto it or the ball went backwards off Inglis hands then it would’ve been a fair try, but it clearly went forward off Inglis’arm after coming off Farah’s foot
May 24th 2012 @ 12:36am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:36am | Report comment
But it was dislodged by Farah’s foot, which is illegal.
May 24th 2012 @ 1:33am
joe blackswan said | May 24th 2012 @ 1:33am | Report comment
yeah that was my interpretation….farah dislodged the ball with foot from inglis’ hands, and then inglis knocked it forward (bounced off his arms) on the regather and subsequent grounding. The call boils down to the first violation (intentional or otherwise). You would think video replays would make it easier.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:05am
jeznez said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:05am | Report comment
If Farrah gives away a penalty kicking the ball out of Inglis’s hand, then Inglis knocks on, regathers and scores you can only come up with a penalty try – not a try. Clearly not how the vidoe ref saw if. He appears not to have seen the Inglis knock on after the ball is knocked from Inglis’s hands – I’d had a few schooners so am not sure if there was a knock on or not – if there was it is an incorrect ruling.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:22am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
It looked wrong and you know it. I am also quiet comfortable that Inglis is far too dopey to interviewed on tv please lockyer dont do it again. So Farah put his foot DOWN in the location that Inglis wanted to put the ball. This it is not illegal I am pretty sure it is fine. It maybe against the rules (which I do not concur) but I am pretty sure it is not illegal
May 24th 2012 @ 11:36am
fez montez said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Exactly,Inglis put the ball where farahs foot was
May 24th 2012 @ 12:12pm
mushi said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
????
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm
Alison said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
What game were you all watching? GI never dropped it, it was kicked out of his hand. If you aren’t allowed to do that, then it’s penalty try. My understanding is that it’s not knock on if taken out of the players hands by opposition hand or foot. In which case it’s a try.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:04pm
Ceebow said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:04pm | Report comment
Very poor comment removed. Real shocker. Sinbinned!
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:19pm
Big john said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:19pm | Report comment
Well this man agrees with Alison, it was a fair try. Listen to ABC radio commentary instead of the inane rantings of the biased fools on 9. And that includes Vautin, the Claytons Queenslander. For those not old enough, that means someone pretending to be the real thing.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:30pm
Gleeso said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
I saw that Ceebow. It was funny. Get a sense of humour. You compliance officer.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:46pm
damoinaus said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:46pm | Report comment
Oh man I want to know what ceebow said!!!
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:08pm
Dan said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
Farah’s foot was planted on the ground when Inglis tried to force the ball only for the ball to be “lost forward”, KNOCK ON!!!
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:24pm
snort said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:24pm | Report comment
Actually, if a player playing the ball drops it in similar fashion on a rival players leg it is deemed lost. At normal speed, it appears Robbie Farah was trying to get his foot under the ball, not kicking upwards at it. Stick your own foot out and see which way your toes point. The pointed toe gave the impression of kicking at the ball, but not so. – and as for Slater,he intentionally but legally(?) jumped THROUGH to take the catcher out. IF he was trying to catch it legit, he woul dbe under it, not 6 feet past it. Slow mo shows Slaters intention clearly.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:37am
Dan said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:37am | Report comment
He didn’t drop it on his foot. The foot dislodged a possessed ball. Great decision. NSW just sooking.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:45am
Gareth said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Did you see Slater’s attempt at catching high balls down his own end? He missed a couple of them by more than 6 feet.
May 25th 2012 @ 3:30pm
tomobillsly said | May 25th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
you would think with slater having a mare under the high ball, the blues would be able to take advantage of the situation. but they couldn’t and didn’t. even if the inglis try went unawarded, qld were already up by two and nsw didn’t score any points. so eitherway, qld won the game. take your hidings like a man, you guys are sounding like poms.
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:39pm
Dave said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:39pm | Report comment
Alison, obviously a blind Qlder, Farah didn’t kick the ball out of GI’s hand – he planted his feet while tryng to get into position to make a tackle and GI placed the ball on Farah’s leg, lost it forward knocking the ball on. Just heard Matt Ballin a Qld player calling it a stretch to say that Farah intentionally played at the ball.
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm
Hoy said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
Farah definitely played at Inglis with his foot. There is no doubt of that. It is illegal. There is no doubt of that.
I would have thought it was a knock on, caused by the defender illegally using his foot. Penalty try?
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:49pm
Raugeee said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
Absolutely correct decision
May 23rd 2012 @ 10:54pm
Copy said | May 23rd 2012 @ 10:54pm | Report comment
You serious absolute wrong decision hamstead should be stood down what a joke disgraceful have a look in normal play not slow motion normal play he got it wrong big time no way should that inglis try be allowed no way you watch the uproar
May 24th 2012 @ 11:45am
fez montez said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
What about his ruling on Brett Stewart no try,Thiaday did not get any downward pressure.Hamster Hampstead is a Gerbil and should climb back up Richard Geres’ arse!!!
May 23rd 2012 @ 11:30pm
snort said | May 23rd 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
He didn’t play at Ingliss, he reacted as you or I would, and tried to get his foot under the ball to stop it being grounded. If he was playing at Ingliss, he missed and got the ball. Slaters intention in taking the catcher out is a lot clearer I must admit.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:22am
mikey said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
actually there IS doubt about it. That’s the whole point. Qldrs will say he played at it, NSW will say Inglis tried to ground the ball and in that motion collided with Farrah’s foot. The ref can’t win here. It’s a subjective interpretation and in a close match that’s a recipe for controversy. I think it was a knock on, as Farrah was shifting his weight not kicking out. But it doesn’t matter – did it change the result? I don’t think so. Gutsy show from NSW but QLD still the better team all round.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:24am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Is Farah being charged with something I am pretty sure it is not illegal.