Five hit ups: the talking points from State of Origin one
By Ryan O'Connell, 24 May 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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Nate Myles gives the thumbs up during State of Origin One. AAP Image/Action Photographics, Brett Crockford
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The opening game in the 2012 State of Origin series provided everything we’ve come to expect from the jewel in rugby league’s crown. It was intense, it was tough, it was skilful, it was close, it was controversial and it was passionate.
Origin 1 Player Ratings: NSW || QLD
There’s always plenty to discuss after an Origin game, but from my perspective, here are the five main talking points from game one.
1. The refereeing was appalling
I’d prefer not to talk about it, but when the referee’s have such a dramatic effect on the outcome of a game, it is simply irresponsible writing to ignore it.
Giving a player ten minutes in the bin is a big call in modern rugby league. You very rarely see that punishment handed out by referees anymore, due to the large impact it has on the game. Referees are much more likely to award a penalty, then place a player on report and let the judiciary decide the ultimate punishment.
And that’s exactly what Matt Cecchin should have done with Michael Jennings.
If you’re going to give a player time in the bin for being ‘third man in’, you need to be consistent. Jennings was about the tenth player in, so how he was singled out, even if he did run 40 metres, is baffling.
And if he was marched because of the punch he threw, then Matt Scott and Mitchell Pearce should have joined him.
Jennings being sent to the bin gave Queensland a large advantage which they capitalised on soon after, via a Darius Boyd try.
The penalty on Greg Bird for lifting in the tackle was questionable at best, especially considering the toughness of Origin football. Yet the Maroons were awarded a penalty late in their tackle count, thus gaining crucial metres, before scoring their second try.
The fact that Nate Myles performed a similar tackle without punishment in the second half only added to the Blues frustrations.
Lastly, there was the video referee’s abysmal decision to award Greg Inglis a try, despite the fact that Stevie Wonder could tell he knocked on.
Let’s be completely clear: Robbie Farah did not strike at the ball with his foot – his boot was simply in the way. What was he meant to do, become invisible? Farah was running towards the ball, then when the ball hit the ground and bounced, he wrong footed himself as he attempted to change direction, which saw his boot hit the ball as Inglis attempted to ground it.
Knock on. No try.
Or that’s what every sane rugby league fan thought. Instead, perhaps the worst call in Origin history was made.
The referees decided Origin one, not the players, and they did so with incorrect decisions.
2. Queensland were lucky
There’s no such thing as a hollow victory in State of Origin; you always have to earn it. So I’ll stop short of saying the Maroons didn’t deserve the victory.
However, they went about as close to an undeserved Origin win as a team can get.
As mentioned above, they benefited greatly from three referee errors. Other than that, they rarely looked like threatening the Blues try line.
Cameron Smith had a solid game, but he was clearly not 100%. A point backed up by the fact Queensland had many players performing the dummy half role throughout the game, particularly in the first 15 minutes.
Cooper Cronk made some kicks, but otherwise rarely got involved in the attack, and made few of his signature runs at the line. This clearly had an effect on his favourite support player, Billy Slater, who failed to trouble the Blues consistently. In fact, Slater himself proved he was human, making some uncharacteristic mistakes, especially under the high ball.
All in all, with a few exceptions including Greg Inglis, Ben Hannant and the two players I mention below, Queensland looked a little sluggish and off-the-pace. Whether it was the virus that ran through the team, complacency, or the speed of the Blues, Queensland struggled a little bit.
Yet it speaks volumes of their ability, heart and nous that they still found a way to win, despite being well below their best. It’s a quality that champion sides have.
3. Brent Tate and Johnathan Thurston were amazing
You can’t help but be inspired by Brent Tate. He’s had three knee reconstructions, plus a career-threatening neck injury that sees him still wear his distinctive neck brace. It’s a miracle he’s even playing football, let alone shining on rugby league’s greatest stage.
Tate was sensational last night, diffusing bombs with consummate ease, running hard off his centre, making crucial scoots from dummy half, and completing some fantastic tackles. He was the Maroons best player, and when you consider what he’s overcome, it makes his story even more impressive.
As for the Maroons five-eighth, what more can you say? Thurston was at his dazzling best in the opening encounter of this year’s series.
His patience, skill and precision with the ball in-hand are fantastic to watch. The Blues right hand side defence certainly agrees, because they were caught watching him several times. He mesmerised Carney, Morris and Uate in setting up Darius Boyd’s two tries.
In my preview to last year’s series and this year’s, I mentioned how Queensland rarely make mistakes when given a chance inside their opponents 20 metre line. It’s Thurston’s decision making and skill that makes this happen.
He is just a wonderful footballer.
4. Jarryd Hayne = Origin
After last night’s game, anyone who questions Hayne’s selection in an Origin team should be admitted to a psychiatric hospital.
Hayne should now be awarded lifetime selection for the Blues until the day he retires.
It’s clear that Hayne is that rare player whom, no matter what type of form he’s in at a club level, always performs for his state. Queensland made a habit of selecting these types of players, and became renowned for it. New South Wales need to take a leaf out of the Maroon’s book and understand that some players are just Origin players, plain and simple.
Hayne has not only never let anyone down at Origin, he’s consistently been the Blues best player. A sky blue jersey is his for as long as he wants it.
5. Minimal changes for game two
Queensland won’t make any changes to their team, unless they have injury or suspension worries. Mind you, that shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. Queensland hardly ever make changes and are known for their loyalty.
For New South Wales, despite the fact that they lost, they shouldn’t make any changes to their team either.
The Blues have a reputation for panicking and then chopping and changing their playing group. However, they need to show faith in the 17 players that were selected, because the Blues were the better team for the majority of the night.
The four players that may come under heat are Akuila Uate, Todd Carney, Ben Creagh and Jamie Buhrer .
Uate was badly found out defensively a number of times, particularly coming off his line, and was subsequently punished by the patience and brilliance of Thurston. However, his outstanding series last year, along with the promise he showed in attack, means he has the credits in the bank to earn a reprieve and therefore selection in game two.
Todd Carney was nervous in his Origin debut and it showed. He made some costly errors, particularly with the boot. On a few occasions, his mistakes had the simultaneous effect of relieving pressure on the Maroons, while heaping it on the Blues.
However, once he settled into the game, he made some nice runs and passes, and he’ll have learned a lot about the step-up in football from club level, and therefore be better in game two.
Ben Creagh was lucky to be selected and will be incredibly lucky to play again this series.
The other player that might come under pressure is Jamie Buhrer. Not because he did anything wrong, because he didn’t. It’s simply a case of what I feared going into the game: he didn’t have a role. He played less than 10 minutes as back-up hooker, giving Robbie Farah a quick, but unnecessary breather.
I think his bench spot could be better utilised by picking another forward with some size.
Where the definite changes should be made is the referees. All three should be dropped.
Matt Cecchin seemed to have little feel for Origin football. And video referee Sean Hampstead’s clanger is all the evidence you need to punt him.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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May 24th 2012 @ 1:41am
Johnno said | May 24th 2012 @ 1:41am | Report comment
Now you know everyone how the French felt after the All Blacks won the world cup last year.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:16am
Jesse James said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:16am | Report comment
I can’t argue with anything Ryan writes. Personally I think we need both Morris boys down the right flank their size, speed and understanding would be great for the team. No I’ m not related.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:31am
llieno said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:31am | Report comment
Nice summary Ryan.
1. The standard of refereeing was atrocious. The ruck speed was so slow and this just became more apparent as the game went on as both teams were just lying all over eachother; both teams were guilty of plenty of indiscretions. I thought the Inglis try was definitely a no try even if Farah did strike (I believe) at the ball. Perhaps a little tough to send Jennings to the bin for ten but he did lead with a flying haymaker from 15m away.
2. I thought so too. There was a period halfway through the second half where I saying to myself where are all the Queensland forwards as it was nothing but backs scooting from dummy half with all the piggies just standing around with hands on hips. I know lots of people don’t like Thurston but as a Cowboys and Queensland fan I wouldn’t trade him for the world. He is the ultimate competitor and rarely makes a poor decision in those high pressure moments.
3. Couldn’t agree more. I reiterate what I said above but I wouldn’t trade Thurston or Tate for the world. Tate’s snipe up the short side late in the second half where he made 20 much-needed metres was a smart play and lots of players don’t have the vision to pull off something like that. When Tate was signed by the Cows and then hurt his knee I was worried they bought a dud, but he has come back strongly. His efforts under the high ball last night were tremendous.
4. Hayne is a freak. I know Parra fans aren’t happy with him this year but there is no doubt about the guy’s talent. The more Hayne touches the ball in Origin the more nervous I become. I used to feel the same way about Kurt Gidley. Hopefully, the efforts Hayne shows in Origin will kick-start Parra’s season.
5. I don’t believe NSW need to make wholesale changes either. Lots of players looked dangerous last night and I would carry Uate as he’s so dangerous in attack. I thought Merrin didn’t show much besides pesky niggle and I believe if the ruck was policed a little better then he may have found himself on the wrong end of the penalty count. Jennings was class even if he is carrying on like a muppet at club level. Buhrer played next to no role, wasted bench spot for mine.
Good read though Ryan and I look forward to game II in Sydney.
May 24th 2012 @ 2:39am
BennO said | May 24th 2012 @ 2:39am | Report comment
It’s pretty hard to argue with all those points but I’ll have a go on the try.
It reminded me of that terrible decision a few years back to award a try after Brett Hodgson knocked on, but didn’t, while contesting the ball in the air. However, I’ve looked over last night’s again and I can see how the ref could award it. There are a couple of points.
1. Clearly the ball is dislodged by the boot of Farah, and contrary to others were saying in that second his foot is not planted it’s in the air as it hits the ball. Whether he deliberately went for the ball is debatable of course but his foot was in the air heading towards the ball when it knocks it out of his grasp. So that means up to that point it can be interpreted as NOT a knock on.
2. It then rolled off Inglis’ arm which others have said means he knocked it on there. I actually do disagree with that because while yes it clearly rolled along his arm there, he was in the act of grounding the ball (that was no longer in his hands) at that second which he kept trying to do which means he didn’t play at the football after it came out of his hands off Farah’s boot. So to my mind that would mean that is NOT a knock on either.
3. He then regathers to score and Paul Gallen shows kids how to swear at a ref
I think that NSW could well have run over the top of QLD with 7 to go and only being 2 behind and I hate the fact that we won that way, but as the ref said, the decision’s made. I’ll have to live with it.
Brent Tate, call him Tatey, is a superhuman. He’s earned a place along side the Origin legends in my eyes. He sits next to Wally, Locky, Choppy, Artie, Gillly, Alfie, Webke and Moggy. That’s right, Moggy. Those legends will never let you down, but they won’t just “not let you down”, they’ll play the house down every time.
Oh and Jennings was the only one who threw a flying haymaker that connected. I don’t think anyone had actually thrown a punch before Jennings came running in at pace like that. There was nothing going on up until that point. That’s a sin bin every time in my mind.
May 24th 2012 @ 7:47am
sheek said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
BennO,
It would be instructive if Roarers, & the general public, made the same educated attempt as you to explain the try decision, & bothered to understand the rule concerning it, instead of indiscriminately screaming, “we wuz robbed”.
May 24th 2012 @ 7:56am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Sheek, referee’s boss Bill Harrigan reportedly admitted that the video ref made an error and that the try shouldn’t have been awarded.
May 24th 2012 @ 8:08am
BennO said | May 24th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
That’s interesting Ryan. From the moment that try was awarded I was looking forward to reading his comments on the decision and the whole game.
sheek, cheers for that but to be fair, after a decision like that the battle to beat the emotions is more easily won by the triumphant!
May 24th 2012 @ 8:41am
Roy said | May 24th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Yes Ryan, very much “reportedly” … reported by Sticky according to the papers. Best not jump on that wagon too early.
And also, I think you’re pushing s–t up hill to suggest that Jennings wasn’t the most serious protagonist in that melee. No one else was running in throwing haymakers. He was completely out of line and earned the bin.
Bird’s tackle was a penalty every day of the week.
Qld earned the win and were no less deserving winners than most winners of close Origin games.
I know you’re trying to prompt comment, but there’s more than enough to write about without exaggerating.
May 24th 2012 @ 9:48am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
True Roy, it is just a ‘report’ at this stage. But you’d have to think Stuart will come under heavy scrutiny if he simply made it up, so we’ll have to take him on his word for now (as difficult as that is).
As for the most serious protagonist in the melee, even Maroons captain Cam Smith admitted Matt Scott was lucky not to go to the bin for starting it all. So was the most serious protagonist then?
Bird’s penalty was 50/50. It seems we’re split on that, and fair enough.
Lastly, there was no exaggerating in my writing and I resent the implication that I simply wrote a sensationalistic article to generate comments. With the controversy surrounding the game and the refereeing, I could have simply written ‘State of Origin 1: who do you reckon?’ and generated lots of comments.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:06am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Woh, Woh, Woh, back up the bus!
The only way Cameron Smith would have made that comment is because he did not see what happened and I bet now that he has watched a replay he would not make that comment again.
Greg Bird acted as he normally does with a cheap shot and pushed Matt Scott into the ground well after play had stopped. Matt Scott hopped up and basket ball passed the ball into Bird’s back, Bird then turned around and threw the first punch. Lets not start telling pork pies Ryan the video is there to watch!
May 24th 2012 @ 10:38am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Then why wasn’t Bird the one sin-binned?
And what exactly did I lie about, WQ?
May 24th 2012 @ 11:12am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Sorry Ryan, a very poor choice of words, you have not lied.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:34am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
No worries, mate, all good.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:07am
Elisha Pearce said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Calling it a try is inconsisten with the ruling in league where if a player has the ball knocked out by another person that other person is responsible for what happens.
If that was a try Qld should have also been allowed to play on when Thurston raked it from Carney as well. But the situation where the ball is knocked out by someone else is always blamed on the opponent rather than the ball carrier.
The rule should leave it up to the ball carrier to secure the ball and if it comes out because another player hits it, then it should be his fault. But the rule isn’t that way. So if it’s kicked out it’s not his fault right?
I think, looking at it happen, you naturally say “That can’t be a try.” But rulings on that night and pretty much every other game of league I’ve watched say it is.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:45am
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
not sure what all the permutations of the rule currently are but it would be best for all if they just simplified it. ball goes forward from a player its a knock on. if it was stripped/kicked out illegally its a penalty. dont try and get too smart with it or it will come back and bite you like it did last night (right or wrong call i’m sure the refs would rather not be in this position)
May 24th 2012 @ 10:56am
Elisha Pearce said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Yeah agreed mate. The rule should be simplified. Hate to be a homer, but rugby has it right. While you’re holding the ball if something happens to it, you are to blame. Done.
If someone strips it, its your knock on.
Can’t say there is a good place in the game for people kicking it out of people’s hands though.
Billy Slater stopped a try with his knee though, I thought that was going to be made illegal too…
May 24th 2012 @ 10:59am
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
yeah its probably the one area that rugbys rules are simpler than leagues and the simplicity of the rules is one of real advantages league has over union in most areas.
May 24th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Charles said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
It is good to see your passion Ryan and I always enjoy your comments
I looked at that try over and over and could not clearly say one way or the other but overall I was not convinced that it was not a try. Therefore I say I would give it benefit of doubt!
May 24th 2012 @ 3:30pm
SportsFanMelb said | May 24th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Ryan – see the link below – Harrigan did not speak with Stuart regarding anything after the game last night:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/referees-boss-harrigan-furious-at-stuarts-try-concession-claim-20120524-1z68g.html
May 24th 2012 @ 4:51pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 24th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Hence my use of the word ‘reportedly’.
Shouldn’t Stuart now be in some serious hot water?
May 24th 2012 @ 8:59am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
BennO, well done very good accurate response. I would also like to ask why it was not a penalty try? The rules very clearly state the following:
(d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in his
opinion, a try would have been scored but for the
unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is
awarded between the goal posts irrespective of
where the offence occurred.
Now given that there has been a very clear directive from the NRL that leading at the ball with your feet whilst a player is in the process of scoring a try is to be deemed foul play, why was there not a penalty try awarded. Lets be clear, that is exactly what Robbie Farrah did!
On the issue surrounding the send off, all crying foul need to ask themselves is this what they want to see in Rugby League, players running in from 40m away and king hitting people?
All the talk of QLD players doing it is rubbish, get the footage and watch it again, QLD players and NSW players ran in, only one ran in and king hit somebody. The other comment I would make is that listening to the NSW supporters you would swear that he is the first player to ever get 10mins in the bin at Origin level. Well hello that is rubbish there have been plenty of people that have been sent to the bin at Origin level for 10mins for similar offences. I would also like to add that Paul Gallen should have been sent to the bin for 10mins as well for dissent. His constant spray’s at the Refs were very ordinary to say the least! Pretty sure Wally Lewis got sent off for dissent in an Origin!
May 24th 2012 @ 9:25am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Inglis was obviously under the blanket again and tried to put the ball on his foot. There is acres of space but he is a bit slow witted.
Btw people the same rule that was applied to Jennings has not been applied at SOO. You people are deluded if you think Jennings should have gone. You do realise that on that basis most people in that fight came from 20 metres plus to get involved.
May 24th 2012 @ 9:55am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
The problem with your interpretation PLANKO is that most people ran from all over the field to be involved, only one ran from his position to recklessly king hit somebody!
May 24th 2012 @ 11:46am
Renegade said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
I’m a blue and Jennings is a deadset dog for his cheap shot last night….the only one deluded is you mate if you think that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
I actually felt embarrassed by what he did, dead set dog act.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:52am
oikee said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
He was like a wild animal, he came in like a street thug trying to kill someone, lucky Tate ducked his head.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:49am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Renegade you have completely missed the point. I did not say he did nothing wrong just reread and pretty sure this was not mentioned. My point is put him on report give QLD a penalty and keep playing that is it. I will be sayin the same thing the other way around.
May 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm
Renegade said | May 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Nah no way….sin bin was the right call, he deserved it.
May 26th 2012 @ 3:34pm
zacbrygel said | May 26th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
He deserved to get in trouble but why Sin bin? Why not just report him, let the judiciary deal with it, give a penalty and then get on with the game? Sin bin just makes the game unfair and is a stupid rule.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:04am
BennO said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
He did and it rained XXXX gold at Lang Park for the two minutes straight after!
May 24th 2012 @ 11:13am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Who drinks XXXX gold ? Only computer geeks from Seattle… XXXX is fine but gold please.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:55am
oikee said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
xxx gold is a special brew, the best beer on the market, and best selling. Do your homework Planko.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:58am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Maybe it is buddy is triple XXX a different drop from the one I remember. Afraid can’t the homework buddy had to gave up drinking cause it made me act like QLDer.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:54am
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
yep nsw fan here but if ur gonna run in you gotta make sure your not attracting any more attention then everyone else. you go jumping over the pack to hit someone and ur always gonna catch their eye and ask to be made a scapegoat.
and wrt inglis try that is what has got me confused as well, if they deemed is was dislodged intentionally by the foot (the only way it can be a try correct?) which is illegal then surely it would be a penalty (try). seems like they make it up as they go along sometimes and overcomplicate things for themselves.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:14am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Agreed soapit, you have summed it up nicely.
May 24th 2012 @ 11:53am
Handles said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I think this is a problem with the rules. You can only award a penalty try if the foul play stopped a try being scored. As the try was scored – no penalty try!
May 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
but the way i read it was that there was a knock on (so no try), caused by foul play (so penalty try).
May 24th 2012 @ 9:52am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Sorry BennO it was not a try you know it. The golden rule about sin bining in a game like this is if people are going the numbers are equal. If you want evidence that they got it wrong leave it to bill. None of these guys will be anz.
May 24th 2012 @ 9:57am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Pity that did not apply previously PLANKO, whilst we are on it Jarrod Hayne should have had 10mins for his cheap shot on Jonathon Thurston or is it ok to punch people in the face just cause it’s Origin?
May 24th 2012 @ 10:30am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
You missed through the maroon mist you were looking through the forearm Thurston used on him before it …
May 24th 2012 @ 11:30am
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Ah possibly!
May 24th 2012 @ 10:02am
BennO said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
That was my thought too PLANKO but I can see how they’d rule it a try that’s all.
Regarding the sin bin “golden rule” you mention, look I think that’s rubbish. The fact is, before Creagh (I think) and then Jennings arrived there was nothing in it. Not one of the Maroons threw a punch at Bird, Myles grabbed his arm to prevent Bird throwing one, Smith tried to pull Scott away and the others just put themselves in the way with no one throwing any. There was nothing going on at all. And it would have finished that way but then Creagh came flying in and so did Jennings throwing the haymaker. No punch was thrown before that. So yeah, I do think it was fair for him to go off on his own.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:32am
PLANKO said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
BennO it ruined the game and I will be saying this if it happens the other way. He should be been put on report and penalty given you know I am right.
May 24th 2012 @ 3:52pm
WQ said | May 24th 2012 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
You are right PLANKO Jennings blatant cheap shot brain explosion did ruin the game!!!!!!
I bet he feels like a goose today!
May 24th 2012 @ 5:39am
mitzter said | May 24th 2012 @ 5:39am | Report comment
I was actually ok with the sin bin but the Inglis try was one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. Whatever happened to the onus on ball security??
May 24th 2012 @ 5:41am
Pillock said | May 24th 2012 @ 5:41am | Report comment
Agree with all except the sin bin.
No doubt that Jennings deserved his time off, can’t understand your comment about the call having such a large effect on the game, isn’t that precisely the point of sending a player off, either for the game or in the bin?
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May 24th 2012 @ 8:51am
Boris said | May 24th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I agree, at the stage when Jennings was sent off Qld were all over NSW and doing most of the attacking, and even when he came back on they scored another try. I think the difference in the game was the QLD defence, they were absolutely outstanding and never gave NSW a sniff, the 2 tries NSW did score were from high kicks which were spilt, so a bit of luck, all the other bombs they put up were diffused brilliantly by Brent Tate, what a game he had. On the other hand 2 of the Qld tries came from fast ball movement and poor defence. Another pivotal moment was when Carney missed the penalty kick to try to level the score, NSW had all the momentum at that stage of the game and should have gone for the try. Anyway it’s all academic now, Qld are up 1-0 and I can’t wait for game 2.
May 24th 2012 @ 6:25am
Fivehole said | May 24th 2012 @ 6:25am | Report comment
The differences were the superior QLD goalkicking, a hot headed NSW centre coming in swinging, and the late Barry Gomersall up in the video refs box. Other than that it was a good even contest.
May 24th 2012 @ 6:40am
Hoy said | May 24th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
In regards to the ref: I can see why the third ref called it a try. No doubt in my mind Farah played at the ball with his foot. So either that means a penalty try, because had he not done that, Inglis was sure to score, or it is not a knock on, but was played at, knocked out, and Inglis had every right to pounce on it.
Secondly, I am happy with the send off. He came in a long way, and threw a massive punch at someone, in something he had no involvement in. Even if it were a QLD player, I would have been less happy, but I know it was the right thing to do. I would rather blokes get sent off either for 10 or the game than sent to the massively inconsistent judiciary.
I think the difference between the two last night, was NSW hoped for tries, QLD planned for them. The two moves to get the first two tries for QLD were fantastic. The tries for NSW were kicks and hopes. NSW looked a bit more dangerous from broken play, and QLD looked a bit sluggish, but whether that was the flu, I don’t know.
Tamou played very well. Tate was MOM for me. I don’t understand Myles getting it.
Bhruher was such an odd selection at the best of times. What the hell was he picked for? Utility value? I don’t think he offers much value for Manly. Plus you had Lewis there who is a quality utility. So why go with him at all?
May 24th 2012 @ 6:54am
llieno said | May 24th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
I thought Harrison was great despite giving away a couple of penalties
May 24th 2012 @ 7:06am
B.A Sports said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:06am | Report comment
I don’t think Farrah played at it with his foot, he was charging in the ball changed direction because INglis plucked it out of the air, Farah went to plant his feet and it hit his foot.
But the officials ruled he played at it with his foot so why was it not a Penalty Try?
May 24th 2012 @ 7:37am
Gaz said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Farrah deffinately kicked the ball, not a shadow of doubt in fact he had a second go when he fell away. The try was a awarded because Inglis fell on the ball, had he not a penalty try was the call.
May 24th 2012 @ 10:57am
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
or was that a first go?
May 24th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Tree Hugger said | May 24th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
A penalty try would only be needed if Inglis hadn’t scored the try. i.e. if Inglis had knocked on in trying to regather or place the ball.
May 24th 2012 @ 6:48am
wMc said | May 24th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Good on ya – keep making all these excuses for Ricky Stuart proving yet again he is a useless coach. While NSW have him there expect the beatings to continue.
May 24th 2012 @ 9:47am
steve b said | May 24th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
wMc i dont know what your on about ,i watched the game with seven QLDERS who all agree it was the worst ref game of the year if you call a spade a spade you would have to agree.. The Blues were robbed, the inconsistent ref calls were b.s .i thought QLD would win but not because of poor ref and video ref calls …This is supposed to be the showcase of rugby league,,, all it showed is that we need to bring in refs from England so their is no bias they were bloody shocking ..Ryan i have to agree with your summary of the game spot on as usual .. As for the Blues and Ricky i think they showed if given the same lattitude as the qlders we would be in it with a show .. And whats with the qlders and the choking in the tackles,, more than one blues player got up complaining about it but the refs did nothing..No Queensland you did not win this one fair and square ,,you were given it by poor ref deciisions. we must use inter natonal refs so this b.s. never happens again .no excuses given here just FACT !!!
May 24th 2012 @ 11:11am
bestywins said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Steve, come on , the game was NEVER decided on just a few calls. Did the ref make carney not find touch , did the ref make Gallen take the shot at goal instead of going for a try NO. These two key moments in the game were HUGE HUGE HUGE.
If NSW found touch or went for a try then the pressure would’ve stayed on QLD and the result may well have been different.
If this is overlooked by Stuart and he just blames the refs then you have no hope.
But the game was NOT decided on ref calls. To even suggest that is wrong
May 24th 2012 @ 7:11am
nq said | May 24th 2012 @ 7:11am | Report comment
Its a different game chasing 2 points rather then 8 for the last 10 mins mind you if carney could kick they would of been 2 in front anyways.
Its a pity the ruck wasnt cleared for a fast play the ball, but im glad it wasnt cause i think NSW would of ran over the top of us in the first half.
Is much as he has niggle in his game I thought Bird payed well last night and Uatai even though there was 2 tries in his corner dont think anyone could do much about them the defence didnt shift it was 6 on 4 for the second try on that side. But every time he hit the ball up he looked dangerous and gained meters.
but at the end of the day we won
– thought Brent Tate should fo got man of the match though
May 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
soapit said | May 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
inglis for mine for motm but that contoversial try probably cost him (they wouldnt want to fan the flames).