Coaching, not lack of depth, the issue for Australian rugby
By gatesy, 25 May 2012 gatesy is a Roar Guru
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Australian rugby is constantly criticised for lacking the player depth of the other major rugby nations. However, I would bet you anything that any adventurous coach just does not agree with that statement.
Talent outs itself in times of adversity.
The Brumbies are a classic case in point.
In effect, they rubbed out almost the whole squad in one stroke of the pen. Then, along comes Jake White who is obviously a bloke who can think outside the square. He is not tainted by parochialism (at least not the Australian version, which I define as Sydney-centric) and picks a team of people that were all on the fringe.
History has repeated itself as far as the Brumbies are concerned.
Toomua goes down, Lealiifano steps up – Christian goes down, Zac steps up.
Who is Jesse Mogg? Where was he a year ago?
He must have been in that shallow pit, where there is no depth (maybe he was hiding in a corner!).
The point, very simply made is that when people like Phil Mooney, Jake White, Rod MacQueen and other visionaries chance their arms, you suddenly find depth that you did not realise that you had.
It’s right under the noses of us all, but we assume that, for one reason or another that there is nobody out there. We argue that we need a second tier, or that there is too many going overseas, or there are not enough pathways.
If you build it, they will come. Names have sprung up over the last few years that would not have had the opportunity had it not been for the addition of the franchises.
The Brumbies made the Super 12 finals in the second year of the competition, and came a close second to the hugely powerful Auckland outfit of that era – that fact alone should have been a wake-up call.
Chase the young guys, give them opportunities and they will rise to the occasion.
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May 25th 2012 @ 2:48am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 2:48am | Report comment
Not true at all, you need the teams for them to play in and it’s only recently there have been enough teams. Where would the Rebels lock Neville have been playing a year ago? The Shute shield.
May 25th 2012 @ 10:15am
gatesy said | May 25th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
That’s what I meant when i said”build it and they will come”. …thought that was clear enough.
May 25th 2012 @ 3:21am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 3:21am | Report comment
Can we just end the Deans circus and make Jake White Head coach of the wallabies right away.
I said this with the cricket example with fellow south african micky arthur coaching WA comes in and replaces Tim Neilsen.
Well Deans time is up as head coach. The best coach in the land should be your head national coach.
And Jake White world cup head coach winner 2007 is the no 1in the land so should be the boss. That is Darwinian theory of natural selection. Obviously Darwinism does not apply to picking the wallaby head coach.
And after reading Alan Jones article yesterday oh how is wish the ARU re-picked Alan Jones at the end of 2007, to be the head wallaby coach again, im certain the wallabies would of had a better 4 years 2007-11 if Alan Jones was in charge. He really got to the heart of the wallaby and super 15 coaching problems, such an intelligent man Alan Jones, and I see why he rates well on radio. Intelligent folk listen to him must be more smart people out then we think as many listen to former wallaby coach Alan Jones.
-So please Jake White now for head coach or even Nick mallet.
Lions series next year the best lions team ever and the world cup in 3 years lets not waste time and close down the Deans circus right now.
May 25th 2012 @ 3:42am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 3:42am | Report comment
A circus Johnno? So if Deans is the ringmaster, who is the lion-tamer, bare-back horse rider, trapeze artist, juggler, hooper, fire-eater and human cannonball? And the tiger, elephant, sea-lion and bear?
May 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Thurl said | May 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
I know who the clown is…
May 25th 2012 @ 3:53am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 3:53am | Report comment
Lol KPM. Well Andrew blades in the new lion tamer, and there is a new high performance dude who i suppose is the elephant the king of the jungle. And Deans is the puppet to , but a puppet running out of acts.
May 25th 2012 @ 3:59am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 3:59am | Report comment
So the puppet-master and the puppet presumably
May 25th 2012 @ 4:04am
Shungmao said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:04am | Report comment
As the number 2 ranked rugby contry in the world I’m happy to support deans, he has made a positive difference in getting a lot of fresh faces in the team that would only be emerging now if he didn’t push the old clan out. Let’s judge him after this December on whether he should stay or go. Personally I think there is going to be a lot of people ducking for cover, this young wallabies brigade will have a few nice surprises up their sleeves this season and Mr deans might just go from the supposed s$&t house to the penthouse.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:09am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:09am | Report comment
Shungmao I think the Wallabies will win the Rugby championship and be number 1 in the world by then, if Deans is bold enough with his selections.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:14am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:14am | Report comment
Shungmao do you honestly think Deans pushing the old clan out was good. Are you honestly saying Ben Alexander, Slipper, Kepu, are ebetter than Al Baxter and matt dunning please. And are you saying JOC , Quade cooper are better than Mortlock and Giteau, please.
Whrre is the justice for older players Shungmao. and respect for your elders, they should stay in the team they are older players, and respect for your elders deans seems to have forgotten when the coach of the wallabies and favouring youth and young people. A bit discrimination if you asked me, that he is not respecting the elders in the team at all.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:28am
Shungmao said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:28am | Report comment
Johno,
How can you mention Baxter and dunning close to the word better? Mortlock couldn’t stay on the field long enough without injury ( still is a legend though), giteau v joc are two totally different players in two totally different positions at the time. And the respect your elders for they are the ones who only know the right path to life etc etc well that’s just strange. Outside of that, KPM I agee and am a believer!
May 25th 2012 @ 4:33am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:33am | Report comment
Shungmao it is clear you rate james slipper, Kepu, and ben alexander higher than Baxter and dunning to very good team men and 2 good blokes who were well liked by team mates.
Shungmao so you are saying youth should get more in life and in sport. Look at our politicians, head sports coaches, bankers,economists they are majority elders and team sports captains , they are all elders majority anyway Shungmao
May 25th 2012 @ 6:44am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
Keep the faith Shungmao
May 25th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Brett McKay said | May 25th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Johnno, of all the reasons I’ve seen people put forward for Deans to be replaced, this is the first time I’ve seen it suggested on the basis that he SHOULD NOT be moving older player on!!
You truly are one of a kind, mate…
May 25th 2012 @ 4:50am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:50am | Report comment
Johnno there are some for and some against Deans, but the Rugby Championship will presumably decide the issue.
Sadly for Deans I fear a lot of the young talent coming through won’t be ready until next year which would be too late.
Here’s my team Johnno for the first Wales match: Robinson, TPN, Kepu, Horwill (I suppose), S.Timani, Pocock, Higginbotham, Palu, Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Mccabe, Barnes (my idea to put him 13), Tomane, Beale with Palmer/Slipper, Moore, L.Timani, Vaea, A.N.scrum-half, Chris Sautia, A.N.exciting young back. It’s a conservative team but that’s because from Deans’ position his job is on the line and so he can’t experiment as much as would be ideal. So all the experiments are on the bench. In fact that team is so conservative there is only one new cap.
When S.Timani goes off L.Timani recharges the power as does Vaea when Palu goes off.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:53am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:53am | Report comment
Good tema KPM I like it.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:59am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:59am | Report comment
Johnno TPN, Kepu, Palu and Timani should silence the supposed ‘bullies’ in the Welsh pack, while Mccabe and Barnes will provide a strong defensive midfield and Tomane along with the rest a dangerous back three. Then when the Wallabies are on top, the bench can be rolled in like a nuclear arsenal to blow things apart.
More difficult is the Scotland match: who on earth to choose for that if so many of the big players are needed four days later? And who to choose anyway!
May 25th 2012 @ 1:36pm
Phil said | May 25th 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
The Timani brothers are soft.
May 25th 2012 @ 4:05am
Johnno said | May 25th 2012 @ 4:05am | Report comment
Exaclly KPM and the Puppeteer is JON. and he is the master off all his puppets and Deans is his no 1 , like an endangered specie who find refuge at a circus for mine. But the circus acts must end by the ARU, and start putting in coaches who know about rugby not about circus acts and the clowns that perform them, or the puppets who make us laugh .
May 25th 2012 @ 8:21am
Fetus said | May 25th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Warburton would have a field day against the timanis I’d go as far as to say he is better then pocock because he is more mobile. He was the best player in the 2010 spring tour game. And was a stand out at the RWC. He would have the ball out of the ruck an age before the timanis got there.
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May 25th 2012 @ 9:09am
Brendon said | May 25th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
He played against SA which pokock also dominated. He played against ENG and IRE. Pockock has done the same against all thos sides and NZ regularly. This is the point, pockock does it against the b igger nations all the time. Warburton is a very fine player, but until he pulls out performances that single handily beat SA or get them over the line against NZ, you cant say he out ranks Pocock yet.
May 25th 2012 @ 8:31am
kingplaymaker said | May 25th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Firstly Warburton would be opposing Pocock, not the Timanis. Secondly he is an extremely overrated player, less good than Pocock, Hooper and Gill.
The Timanis will flatten him and Pocock will prevent him turning anything over.
May 26th 2012 @ 10:34am
Bakkies said | May 26th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Warbuton has been injured and I think he isn’t touring. Dan Lydiate and Tupiric are the one to look out for. The Wallabies need to attack the very average Welsh lineout. Jamie Roberts isn’t touring. The Welsh backs are very big apart from J Davies at 13 and the muscular Halfpenny. The Wallabies need to pick players that can tackle otherwise they will punch holes for fun. When they struggle to break the line like they did against England they can be very one dimensional without the variety of Shane Williams.
May 25th 2012 @ 9:35am
sheek said | May 25th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Gatesy,
You make a good case. How many Zack Holmes are out there just waiting for the opportunity?
Nevertheless, I would like to see Australian rugby grow much more rapidly than it is.
The AFL are so far out in front of the other footy codes, it’s not funny. An 18 team national comp in the 6 most populous cities in Australia. Playing rosters of between 44-50 per club, that’s a max of 900 professional players. Coaching staffs of about 5-6 per club, or around 100 across the board. Opportunities galore! You can’t get better than than.
Rugby league rabbits on about its State of Origin, but this also demonstrates its inherent weakness – the NRL is primarily a two-state comp.
Australian rugby has done the right by developing super rugby teams in WA & Victoria. But now the game needs to make the pool deeper. SA has a very small but vibrant rugby community. Th SARU website is one of the best, well laid out & informative.
With both current coaches & players conspiring to play a more attractive brand of rugby, Australian rugby will send out the message that rugby is a game to be part of.
An “attractive brand of rugby” doesn’t mean headless running & passing, or a mountain of tries. Nor does it mean no kicking. But it does mean a greater desperation to attack the breakdown, the scrum, the lineout. To take chances.
Borrow from the Kiwis. They love their rugby, & play like they love their rugby. They attack the breakdown. They run with purpose. They display resourcefulness. Their basic skills are outstanding, which gives them the confidence to fully commit themselves.
This what Australian rugby needs to do, & this is how the coaches can help…..
May 25th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Phil said | May 25th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Great comment. I agree. Except maybe borrowing from the Kiwis which if done should be very selective.