A Kiwi’s advice to Wallaby supporters
By KiwiDave, 26 May 2012 KiwiDave is a Roar Guru
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Wallaby supporters are indeed a fickle bunch. When they are winning, no other side can match them for pure arrogance.
When they are losing, nobody can match them for the way they self destruct and turn on their coach. They need to learn a lot. They need to learn humility, both in victory and defeat, and accept the fact you can’t win them all.
Here is a list of lessons for the average Wallaby supporter must learn, kindly prepared for you by a Kiwi.
Lesson One: Understand and accept your flaws
One of the major issues with Wallaby supporters is their inability to accept the flaws in their side. I have lost count of the amount of time I have spent in arguments with them over how pitiful their tight five is.
Many Wallaby supporters I speak to seem to rate their scrum #2 or #3 in the world. This is based on flawed logic. Wallaby supporters will argue how can we be rated #2 in the world if our scrum is so bad?
Having the world’s best backline and a rock solid defence is the reason why.
You have a scrum that routinely goes backwards to sides like New Zealand, South Africa, England, Ireland, Wales, Argentina and Italy. When was the last time you heard an Australian side winning a game through a powerful 10 man performance? I can’t remember. However, I sure have seen them lose a few from teams playing a 10 man game against them, exposing the obvious Wallaby flaws.
Its time for Wallaby Supporters to stop believing idiots like Phil Kearns who would have you believe the front row have the three best players in the world in their positions. If you keep endorsing the rubbish you have in your tight five, you will never move forward.
Lesson Two: Great backlines alone don’t win games
Yes, you may have the world’s best halfback in Genia. You may have a flyhalf in Cooper that can bust any backline open with his creativity. You may have the best fullback in the world in Beale. You have stars like Ioane and O’Connor.
Collectively, you have a backline that is the envy of any nation, All Blacks included. But if your forwards are not winning the rucks and mauls and getting smashed in set pieces, the backs will not see enough of the ball to exploit their opponent.
For a team to be great and successful 1 through 15 need to fire. If 9 to 15 dominate, yet 1 to 8 are dominated, don’t expect to create a dynasty.
Lesson Three: The coach is not always to blame
One of the great things Australians like to do, regardless of the sport, is to slam the coach. They put the players up on pedestals, whether they win, lose or draw, yet they scrutinise the coaches and shove the boot in at every occasion they can.
While the coach can be blamed for some things like a game plan or player selections, he should not be held accountable when players fail to execute the game plan or when players don’t perform.
Take the semi final versus the All Blacks in the World Cup. Was it the coach’s fault to expect his forwards to play with the ferocity they did in Brisbane a few months prior? Was it the coach’s fault to expect Genia and Cooper to play to their abilities?
After that game the vultures descended, to pick at the coach’s bones. However there was hardly a murmur about the downright sad and pathetic effort of every Australian forward that day. The passion and intensity they showed in Brisbane was left there.
Already the same vultures have begun circling, even before the international season has begun. Despite winning the Tri-Nations and retaining the Mandela Challenge Plate last season, the knives are ready to be plunged into Deans back without the team having played a game this season.
Lesson Four: Look at the bigger picture
The average Wallaby for all intensive purposes is a very short sighted creature. He tends to transfix himself on one result. This seems to be the World Cup semi final at the moment. So you lost to the All Blacks in New Zealand. Newsflash, 95% of opponents have lost to New Zealand at home in Graham Henry’s reign.
I see very little from Wallaby supporters saying how great it is to have won the Tri Nations or how great it is that they have such dominance over South Africa now.
Very little is done to acknowledge how a team that was literally rebuilt from scratch in 2008 is now a clear number two side in the world. In 2008 if you said to a Wallaby Supporter they would be clear second favourites for the world cup in 2011, you probably would have been laughed at.
Sure, the All Blacks have proven to be a thorn in the side of late to the Wallabies but this is because it is one of the greatest All Black sides ever.
Despite this, Deans has closed the gap. The last four games against the All Blacks have been split 2 a piece yet this is not acknowledged.
If you look at where the Wallaby side is now, compared to any other period in the last decade, you will see it is in a healthier and stronger spot and has the makings of your great sides of 1991 and 1999.
Far more Kiwis can see this than Australians, but then again, we are more astute judges when it comes to rugby.
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May 26th 2012 @ 12:03am
jeznez said | May 26th 2012 @ 12:03am | Report comment
Kiwidave, I’ve generally enjoyed your contirbutions on the Roar but this one is quite wide of the mark.
Although not an official lesson your comment about arrogance when winning and self destruction/turning on the coach sounds a little more like the Land of the Long Black Cloud than my sunburnt country.
Lesson 1, our scrum is piss poor and well known to be that. Most Wallaby fans know that it has been an issue for the last ten years but it is on the way back. The Waratahs have the strongest scrum in Super Rugby this year, Robinson’s absence last RWC was a crushing blow to our chances.
All the teams you mentioned that push us around were correct except for the Boks. The Springboks have had the weakest scrum in the Tri-Nations for a few years now.
Lesson 2 – we don’t have a great backline, we have some great players out there but the centres last year were dysfunctional. The defence was sound but we were not able to mount anything serious in attack.
Leson 3, correct – the coach is not always to blame. He does have to be accountable for some things though. Taking too many injured players to the cup and not including a reserve openside in the 35 man squad are squarely on the coaches shoulders. Long persistence with the likes of Baxter, Mumm and Brown are a coaching issue. Failure to use your bench is a coaching issue. Most Wallaby fans correctly target the coach for things in his control.
Lesson 4 – actually the games that receive the most comment and focus are the losses to Ireland and Samoa last year. Most Wallaby fans would have accepted a loss to the AB’s in the final, losing to Ireland (who played well) was unacceptable since the initial squad selection and use of the bench in that game was abysmal and could have turned the result around. The 2009 loss to Scotland also gets more focus, as does the 2010 England tour to Aus. These are the matches we don’t forgive the team and coach for losing.
The only piece of your article I can genuinely get onboard for is that Deans has closed the gap. The Wallabies are still building at the moment – just can’t wait to see some results.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:32am
sph45 said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:32am | Report comment
I got to your second paragraph KiwiDave. One group of supporters can rival Australia’s self flagellation and turning on team, coach and players when things don’t go well – All Black’s supporters. Admittedly it doesn’t happen very often and that is a credit to the way Kiwi’s support and play the game. But when you guys lose at provincial or national level it is unbearable to watch. I would not want to be a coach or player on the wrong side of that.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:37am
sph45 said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:37am | Report comment
Other than that though KiwiDave – I agree strongly with everything you say.
- Wallabies supporter
May 26th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rugby Diehard said | May 26th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
I didn’t read past the first line. When you call people arrogant in your first phrase you are simply trolling KD. Terrible article.
May 26th 2012 @ 11:25am
Sprigs said | May 26th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Perceptions of arrogance are based on a cultural misunderstanding.
NZers are brought up in a culture that very strongly condemns “showing off”. That culture honours the introvert more than the extrovert.
This is why Australians, who are brought up in an extroverted culture (more Irish than Scottish by tradition), are wrongly perceived by many NZers as arrogant when they are actually just optimistic and outgoing.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:42am
Johnno said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:42am | Report comment
Kiwis advice to Wallabies supporter “Sack Deans. And don’t send him back home across the ditch. Send him to Tasmania , they might take him.”
May 26th 2012 @ 11:46am
peterlala said | May 26th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
KiwiDave, great backlines might not win matches — but they set the turnstyles spinning.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:44am
sportym said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:44am | Report comment
“Despite this, Deans has closed the gap. The last four games against the All Blacks have been split 2 a piece yet this is not acknowledged.”
While this is a fact, its also a fact that the All Blacks did not really contest the Tri Nations last year with the RWC. And the Scotland and Samoa losses….hmmm, that kinda threw the spanner into the progress report.
In regards to the RWC, it was the tactics that all went wrong. We should not have lost to Ireland, that is where the wheels fell off, Pocock got them through the SA game, by the time they played the ABs they were out of fuel. Sorry but I have to blame the coaches/tactics for the RWC, not taking another dedicated 7 along was crazy, and cost the wallabies.
There was also no plan B for cooper, who mentally could not cut it and should have been hooked, even now a huge question remains who will plan 10 against Scotland, something is very wrong in oz rugby at the moment where there is no clear backup.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:51am
Johnno said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:51am | Report comment
Deans is the worst match day coach I have ever seen . Ever in either rugby league or rugby union, he makes steve Kearney even look mildly respectable. They should both beam co-coaches of the AB’S or the wallabies or the eels, what a team 2 of NZ finest talent.
May 26th 2012 @ 8:25am
KiwiDave said | May 26th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
“While this is a fact, its also a fact that the All Blacks did not really contest the Tri Nations last year with the RWC”
We had our full squad out for the decider in Brisbane so I disagree we didn’t contest for it.
May 26th 2012 @ 9:41am
Emric said | May 26th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Agreed – the Australians wanted to win in Brisbane, and they did. They were simply the better team on the day.
May 26th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Sage said | May 26th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Well said KD on the Tri, thems the facts. Enjoyed the read, very entertaining and I bet you enjoyed writing it too. Your tongue was pushing so hard in your cheek it could have been mistaken for…..something else.
May 26th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Rugby Diehard said | May 26th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Sage – I guess this just further highlights our cultural misunderstandings. In Australian culture humour is seen as being funny and/or amusing. According to you and KD in NZ humour is smug and patronising.
Fortunately, there are several Kiwis posting to this site who clearly don’t share your views on Kiwi humour.
May 26th 2012 @ 12:56pm
Sage said | May 26th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
RD I don’t really follow what you mean. I’m suggesting Dave is taking the piss and I think it’s an entertaining read. Are you thinking I feel this way cause I’m a Kiwi ?
May 26th 2012 @ 2:15pm
Rugby Diehard said | May 26th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Sage – why can’t you follow what I mean. If it was funny people would have laughed at it. If it was smug and patronising a few people who held the same smug view would have liked it….. either way it was not very well written and was just trolling for some bites.. which he got. Calling the intended readers, ie Wallaby supporters, arrogant in your lead paragraph sets the tone for the article. Claiming yourself as humble, meanwhile attacking your defeated opponent is undoubtedly smug.
I find it a great shame that the Roar printed this article.
May 26th 2012 @ 4:47pm
KiwiDave said | May 26th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Well the original title of it was Four lessons Wallaby Supporters must learn in response to the Six lesson Deans must learn posts. It was obviously proof read and edited by an Aussie LOL!
May 26th 2012 @ 4:48pm
Sage said | May 26th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
RD, you mentioned this further highlights our cultural misunderstandings and then described Aussie humour. And then accorded to me a view that in NZ humour is smug & patronising. That’s why I didn’t get what you meant. I’m an Aussie RD who has supported the Reds and the WB’s since I was a young kid and that is a loooong time ago. I’d have thought you’d know that from my comments here over the years. Mate, it’s just a bit of a piss-take from Kiwi Dave. I don’t think for a minute he’s serious and I would suggest that’s why you shouldn’t be disappointed in the Roar for publishing it. It’s a joke,lighten up a bit.
May 27th 2012 @ 9:56am
Rugby Diehard said | May 27th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Sage – do I need to draw you a picture? My comments had nothing to do with your nationality. My line about Cultural misunderstandings was indeed a joke…. As you say – lighten up princess. What I said was the article was smug and patronising and that is why it wasn’t funny – not in Australia, not in New Zealand not in the south-west Congo.
if this was supposed to be humour at best it was conveyed extremely poorly and was designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. What I was trying to highlight was that it was a poorly written article, some of KD’s points were valid and he could have made them in a constructive manner,and all the while painted himself in a better light, but by his own admission he had a bee in his bonnet because of LHS’s article on Robbie Deans – how dare LHS offer a critique of a Kiwi, after all only a Kiwi could possibly be an astute judge of Rugby. The humility and modesty he conveyed was irresistible and there will be many of us now waiting for another well-thought out article from KD.
May 28th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Sage said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Mmmm. No problems RD but I can hear your reversing siren on. The article’s a bit old now so you probably won’t see this anyway but lets save our energy for the real enemy.
May 28th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Rugby Diehard said | May 28th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
hmmmmm…..Sage – I thought it was pretty obviously an ironic statement to describe NZ humour as smug and patronising and Australian humour as funny and amusing. I assume that is what you think I’m reversing from.
May 26th 2012 @ 1:59am
ohtani's jacket said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:59am | Report comment
I’m a Kiwi. I can’t see any of these things and I don’t envy anything about the Wallabies, thanks.
May 26th 2012 @ 11:25am
Touko said | May 26th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Aye, but you’re a bloody hard marker!
I think there’s a fair bit of truth to what Kiwi Dave has written here: mostly crap forwards; mostly pretty good backs. A decent coach who has helped improve the team in some ways, but anybody would have struggled a fair bit with the overall depth and quality of the Australian team.
Having said, I can’t say I’m that impressed with Deans and I would agree with Johnno and say that he’s just about the worst match day coach I’ve ever seen too.
May 26th 2012 @ 12:15pm
all7days said | May 26th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Those points he made could be argued. But what have the fans got to do with it?
May 26th 2012 @ 2:24am
Jiggles said | May 26th 2012 @ 2:24am | Report comment
The Springboks Scrum has not dominated the Wallabies in the past 4 years. what some test matches thanks. The other nations, yeah sure.
May 26th 2012 @ 3:09am
David Lord said | May 26th 2012 @ 3:09am | Report comment
You are a bad example of an All Black supporter KiwiDave. You conveniently overlook all the bitching and moaning your side of the ditch throughout the 24-year drought of winning the RWC. With the exception of 1999, the ABs had the best side every RWC, but couldn’t convert. Then to fall over the line 8-7 against France with four million New Zealand hearts in their mouths suggests even the ABs as the undisputed best rugby nation in the world can choke when the bickies are big.
May 26th 2012 @ 8:27am
KiwiDave said | May 26th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
2003 England had the best side. They beat both us and you at home before the tournament and aside from a warm up match loss to France they went into the tournament winning something like 15 in a row
May 26th 2012 @ 1:09pm
Jokerman said | May 26th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Stumbled over the line eh? The All Blacks won the RWC, David. Paint that however you wish, but the ego hates to lose, and your team lost, smashed out actually. When the Reds won last year, I jumped on here and said congradualations…ahh not that hard, just takes a bit of mana (maori pride.)
May 26th 2012 @ 4:02am
Damo said | May 26th 2012 @ 4:02am | Report comment
Kiwi Dave , when you state that Aussie fans are arrogant and need more humility, do you feel more or less humble?
May 26th 2012 @ 4:38am
Ben S said | May 26th 2012 @ 4:38am | Report comment
I don’t agree with the gist of this article, but the Australian rugby media definitely has echoes of the English soccer media.
May 26th 2012 @ 5:05am
Patrick Angel said | May 26th 2012 @ 5:05am | Report comment
Echoes, but the English soccer media is unable to pinpoint the reasons why they lose outside of cliche (Jonathan Wilson and his ilk aside, they get drowned out by the wailing of the tabloids).
Most people I talk to know the Wallaby scrum aint great, I’m not a tragic of the game but I get this.
May 26th 2012 @ 9:29am
Ben S said | May 26th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I’m referring more to hyperbole and tabloidistic intent, although tbh most rugby journalism seems to be going that way.
May 26th 2012 @ 11:07am
Patrick Angel said | May 26th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Whole mainstream media is like this, everything has to be catastrophic to try and get some clicks/extra eyeballs.
Found this article the other day:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-to-spot-b.s.-political-story-in-under-10-seconds/
May 27th 2012 @ 12:44am
Ben S said | May 27th 2012 @ 12:44am | Report comment
Fair point.
May 26th 2012 @ 5:22am
Who ate all the pies said | May 26th 2012 @ 5:22am | Report comment
Insightful or inciteful Kiwidave?
Sportym’s take on recent history is much more accurate. Deans failure to insure Pocock at the RWC with a decent openside pinerider was a basic and costly mistake as was his persistence with Quade who’s mouth wrote cheques he could never cash. Dingo’s operation of the bench was also a little amateurish for such a distinguished Coach.
That the forwards, specifically the tight 5, have been an achille’s heel of sorts for the Wallabies is not exactly a revelation.
Some of this troll could just as easily be applied to the All Blacks or us, their fanatical supporters.
On a positive note this is going to draw plenty of traffic for the Roar eds today.