The Waratahs hold the finals key for the Brumbies and Reds
By Spiro Zavos, 28 May 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The Reds got up over the Brumbies, but can they make the 2012 Super Rugby finals? (AAP Image/Alan Porritt)
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Call it the curse of the non-gambling Greek. Regular readers of The Roar will remember my fearless prediction last week that the Brumbies would defeat the Reds at Canberra on Saturday night.
The final result was Reds 13 – Brumbies 12, another Zavos prediction wrong.
It did come down to the final kick of the match, a relatively easy penalty shot at goal taken for the Brumbies by the impressive Zack Holmes. Normally a dead-eyed kicker, Holmes pulled the ball across the far upright and the Reds on 40 points, equal 8th with the Hurricanes, remain alive in the race to make the finals.
A loss would have put the Brumbies too far ahead of the Reds for the current champions to catch them. The Reds now are well within striking distance of the Brumbies. (Of course, not everyone agrees.)
The Brumbies on 45 points are, in fact, on 6th place on the table. But as the top team in the Australian Conference (the position the Brumbies and the Reds are really contesting) the Brumbies, in theory at least, are in the top three. The conference winners, of course, have an ensured home final.
One of the reasons why I picked the Brumbies to win this crucial match is that Bruce Stadium is something of an untakeable fortress for the Brumbies. The excellent Fox Sports rugby caller, Greg Clarke, spouted out a flood of these fortress statistics before the big game.
The Brumbies were 5 wins out of 6 matches at Bruce Stadium this season. They had won all their Australian Conference matches this season at Bruce Stadium. All up against the Reds since 1996 the Brumbies are 16 wins against 3 for the Reds. They were also 7 wins out of 7 matches at home with that night’s referee Steve Walsh.
Another point that tended to convince me that the Brumbies were specials to win was the fact that they had developed a lot of fire power, especially in their back four of Jesse Mogg, Andrew Smith (an under-rated and big centre – the answer for Robbie Deans?), Henry Speight and Joe Tomane.
Mogg did not run but kicked virtually every time he got the ball, and badly at that. Smith got the ball at most on a couple of occasions and looked threatening on this starvation rations diet. The wingers spent most of their time chasing and not chasing the kicks.
The main source of attack for the Brumbies was the pick and drive, especially when they were in the Reds 22, as they were frequently. This tactic had worked to turn around the match the previous round against the Hurricanes. But the Reds have a stronger and better disciplined pack than the Hurricanes.
The Brumbies pick and drive attacks were contained and there was either a turn-over to Liam Gill or a penalty conceded.
We get here to a consideration of Steve Walsh as a referee. The important aspect to this consideration is that he was brought up in the New Zealand rugby system. This system reveres hard-shouldered forward play and attacking flair in the backs.
New Zealand referees, in general, like the game to flow to allow chances for running attacks. They also like a contest at the ruck which, in turn, generate turnovers and, in turn again, allow for the sort of attacking play the Chiefs unleashed against the Bulls to score a winning try from inside their own 22.
This is a long explanation why the Brumbies should have understood the rugby zen of Walsh when it came to planning their incessant pick and drive/dive attacks. Pick and drive plays that seal off the ball (illegally) and make it impossible for the opposition to attack for a turnover or defend are hostile (in my view) to Walsh’s rugby instincts.
And he should be applauded for this. Some years ago the IRB published a statement on the first principles of the rugby code. The essential principle, the IRB stated, was that rugby was a game with a ‘continual contest for possession of the ball.’
If the pick and drive is done correctly the ball is place clear of the tackled player’s body and fellow players don’t flop over the ball and seal it off, then the drive is legal. But, and this is the important point, a pick and drive like this is vulnerable to the opposition getting their hands first on the tackled ball and turning it over, or winning a penalty.
Some referees will favour the pick and drive side, even though what they are playing is the illegal pick and dive. Walsh doesn’t fall into this category of referees. He will (correctly) allow the defending side to try and contest the ball. And he will penalise the side taking the ball into the tackle if they seal it off.
For these reasons I was amazed that in the last 20 minutes of the match when the Brumbies surged towards the Reds try line they continued with their pick and drive, even though they were losing turnovers and being penalised. Why they didn’t move the ball quickly to the middle of the field and kick over an easy field goal was beyond me.
This is the second time Jake White has come up with a deficient game plan against the Reds. Is there weakness here, laying down a negative game plan when the chips are down for his side? This was the criticism frequently made of White as he trudged through the rugby wilderness looking for a permanent coaching job after the Springboks great victory in the 2007 RWC tournament.
In my view, the Reds deserved their win because they took their chance with Luke Morahan’s fabulous try from a fielding a Brumbies bomb right at the beginning of the match.
There are reservations to this concession of praise, though, and these relate first to the childish taunting of opposition players and the referee and second to the intentionally dangerous tackling of Saia Faingaa.
Early on in the match Michael Hooper, the terrific Brumbies fetcher, won a turnover. You could hear clearly through the field mikes a Reds player call out disparagingly: ‘He’s just a one-trick pony.’ This remark was embellished with continual chatter to the referee, from the Reds and from the Brumbies halfback Nic White.
Walsh, like all referees, does not like players and teams that chirp away at him continually. He told White to shut up and the Reds to zip their lips, too.
Rugby players in my view should behave like children were expected to behave in the Victorian era: be seen and NOT heard.
The other black mark against the Reds is the way Faingaa is allowed to make dangerous, no hands ‘tackles’ by throwing his body across the ankles of players charging towards the try line. Tatafu Polota-Nau does the same sort of (illegal, in my opinion) tackle with impunity.
Faingaa, too, is one of those smart-arse players who is forever verballing his opponents and the referee, making his dangerous no-arms dives at the ankles of opponents and making cheap shot plays like running in front of players chasing a high ball and playing the ball on the ground in virtually every maul he is involved in.
It was poetic justice that he gave away the last penalty in the match, which Holmes could not convert.
David Lord made the point on Sunday that the Waratahs hold the key to either the Reds or the Brumbies going through, as they play both teams in the rounds played after the June Tests break. In week 20 the Waratahs play the Brumbies at the SFS and in week 21, the last round of the pool play the Reds play the Waratahs at Brisbane’s Suncorp.
The history of the Super Rugby tournament suggests that in virtually every other year, the composition of the finals sides comes down to the last round, often the last match. This year could see the same sort of thing happening.
The Waratahs, despite their terrible record this season, won’t be pushovers, or they shouldn’t be. They played a terrific first half against the Cheetahs. They ran the ball with purpose, zest and some skills.
They scored their first try after 3m 28 second of play from the kick-off when Berrick Barnes as the sweeper/fullback resisted kicking the ball back but passed it out to a running line of attackers. Another Waratahs try was scored directly from a Cheetahs kick-off. By half-time they had notched up their four-try bonus point and a 31 – 21 lead.
This lead was then stretched to 34 – 21 shortly after half-time, and then the Waratahs reverted to their pointless kicking game which allowed the Cheetahs to come back and snatch an unlikely victory with two break-out and converted tries.
I kept a sort of list of what the Waratahs were up to, or not up to, as they conceded the game through bad tactics by kicking away the ball instead of running it at the Cheetahs as they did so successfully in the first half.
‘Barnes kicks long … McKibbins kicks … Foley kicks (David Campese, who was commentating from the sidelines, makes the obvious point about the stupidity of this play: ‘It is such a close game but both teams are kicking away the ball to the opposition) … McKibben kicks … (the Waratahs bring on Tom Carter to the bewilderment of the commentators) … Barnes kicks … Barnes actually passes … Foley kicks … Adam Ashley – Cooper kicks (David Campese: ‘You can’t win the game if you don’t have the ball) … Barnes kicks a beauty to the Cheetahs 5m mark …
This kick gives the Waratahs a dominant field position with 6 minutes left to play. Right on time they are inside the Cheetahs 22. Barnes positions himself for an easy field drop attempt as the pick and drive tactic is employed and employed and employed and employed. He is calling out for the ball and waving his hands in anguish as the dumb Waratahs pack continues to drive on.
There is one last drive. The Waratahs are close to the Cheetahs post now. But one of the forwards takes the ball up too high. The Cheetahs grab him like a robber clutching to his bag of stolen goodies. The Cheetahs pile in to ensure that a maul (the ball above the ground and playable by everyone) rather than a ruck (hands off once the ruck is formed).
Barnes is frantic.
Referee Craig Joubert, the best referee in the world in my view, blows the whistle for a turnover scrum. The Cheetahs scrum, which has been under pressure all game, holds up. The Waratahs, like the French in the RWC 2011 final, are penalised for off-side play.
And it is another loss for the Waratahs. But the first half showed that it doesn’t have to be that way.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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May 28th 2012 @ 7:50am
formeropenside said | May 28th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Nothing about the negative Brumbies lying all over Liam Gill every chance they got, and Hooper using a hand in the scurm illegally? A bit of balance please. The Reds beat the Brumbies at their own game, playing dreadful to watch rugby with lots of kicking.
Also note the Brumbies front row was unimpressive around the park and at scrumtime.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:23am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Not sure about scrum time FOS, until Palmer went off the Reds scrum was going backwards.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:41am
formeropenside said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
There was one early drive before Palmer got pinged twice in a row for illegal scrummaging. After that, being watched, it was even and ended up with the Reds over the Brums.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:57am
Harry said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Holmes clearly bested Palmer a couple of times (why is this fellow not in the Wallaby squad and the useless Ma’aafi is?). While Palmer was on the Brumbies were strong in the scrum, but not massively dominant. When he went, evens.
May 28th 2012 @ 11:43am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | May 28th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
That’s certainly what I saw from the grandstand Harry. From memory Palmer got penalised once for boring in, but otherwise the Brumbies were on top in the scrum for the majority of the time he was on the field, after that it was much more even. I certainly agree with you about Ma’afi.
May 28th 2012 @ 8:10am
Coxinator said | May 28th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
To call a player niggling is one thing, but a smart-arse? How many times has Spiro lined up against Faingaa and witnessed this verbal barrage. Ridiculous commentary really that is reserved for players only when back in the sheds.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:53am
Harry said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Level of chat and verbal niggle between all the Australian sides is too high though. It looked OTT the week before in the Force/Rebs game as well as this one. Genia, and I am a massive admirer of him as a player and form what I see as a person, let himself down by giving the (admittedly obnoxious) locals the finger after the final kick missed. The Brumbies have always been into it (Gregan, Finegan) and the Reds have clearly being indulging.
May 28th 2012 @ 11:16am
Riccardo said | May 28th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Andrew Mehrten’s 2 finger salute to the vitriolic Bulls supporters in 2008 was better.
They were at him the whole game and when he slotted the winning goal he gave them his thoughts!
I know we shouldn’t condone it but that was real theatre. Man was he unpopular after that…
May 28th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Uncle Argyle said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
P.Kearns v S. Fitzpartick in Wellington 1990 wasn’t a bad one either for memory.
May 29th 2012 @ 12:02am
Hopperdoggy said | May 29th 2012 @ 12:02am | Report comment
Long may it continue AG. Better this than the overblown hairstyles and overpaid salaries of the paycheck chasers. God forbid we have rugby players with genuine passion for the game and the team they pledge their allegiance to!
May 28th 2012 @ 8:22am
Uncle Argyle said | May 28th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Spiro,
I don’t think Jake White’s game plan was all that bad. If Holmes kicked that final penalty then its a different story and White’s pick and drive through the centre of the ground is a winning game plan, Can’t blame him for Holmes missing a kick.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:11am
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Uncle Argyle – that is the problem with this tactic and why it has spun a web around Australian rugby, it keeps you close, reduces errors (because you don’t have the ball) but cannot get you a win unless you are lucky.
Kick/Pick/Drive/their end of the park/% football/ is a negative dream.
May 28th 2012 @ 10:17am
Uncle Argyle said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Hi SMI,
I think any tactic that keeps you close, reduces erros is a good one. I am not sure I follow the lack of possession thing. I always thought to pick and drive you must be in possession? I like the tactic as it gets forwards out of the backline to give your backs a one-on-one chance, or as in the case of Saurday night you give yourself a good chance of being awarded a penalty becuase much of the time the benefit is going towards the attacking side. Walsh was doing his best in what was a free-for-all at times in context to the break down. Spiro would have liked to have seen the ball go wide, sure. However I thought the Red’s defence looked pretty good most of the night. When you only need two points to win why go for an unlikely 5 when it was clear the lottery of the breakdown would have more probability of giving you a chance at 3. Poor old Holmes just duffed the kicked.
May 28th 2012 @ 12:49pm
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
Hi Uncle – what you are pointing out is some of the many reasons why this tactic is attractive and why we struggle to beat the AB’s. Pick and Drive is a guaranteed turnover if played often enough and we over do it. This is my list of issues:
- Slow ball due to ‘don’t stuff it up’ then make sure all are in place and pass to the most obvious player who gets smashed.
- Counter rucking is poor to almost non existent.
- Backs who get so little ball that when they do they stuff the pass or the catch or run into the opposition to set up another pick and drive.
- Speed of the game gets slowed down and passing loses its crispness.
- Running lines are not practised enough during the game and it is different on the training paddock to the game.
- Line outs are not contested enough due to ‘let them make a mistake’ or ‘don’t stuff up’.
If as a couple of Kiwi’s on here state, our backs are dangerous why do we not have game plans that utilise our strengths?
May 28th 2012 @ 8:30am
LeftArmSpinner said | May 28th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Spiro, looks like we are going head to head today. You say tomato and I say tomAto, if you know what I mean.
“the reds are now well within striking distance of the Brumbies.”
Nope. Mathmatically, the reds can still pass the Brumbies. Statistically, it is highly improbable.
My arguments to justify this are set out on the Roar today. http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/05/28/reds-still-dont-control-destiny/
Spiro, in the name of a great Roar debate, bring it on!
May 28th 2012 @ 1:46pm
itsuckstobeyou said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Spot on. The Brumbies need 15 points from their last 4 games to guarantee top of the Oz conference. This assumes Qld will win their last 3 with maximum points. 14 points will bring it down to points diff, which the Brumbies currently lead by a whopping 89 points.
So in terms of topping the conference, the Reds fate is in the Brumbies hands.
In terms of a wildcard, as you correctly mention in your piece, they need the Sharks, also, to rack up less than 15 points. PD is also a problem here. Alternatively, the Crusaders would have to lose a succession of derbies but even then the Highlanders could pip them.
They need an awful lot to go their way to make the finals, even with maximum points. To suggest they have their fate in their own hands is plain incorrect. And to be in this position 4 weeks out from the finals must be disappointing for them.
May 28th 2012 @ 8:37am
JTG said | May 28th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
i was at bruce stadium on saturday night. the game was atypical of all local derbys. lots of mouthing off because the players know each other so well. and a grinding game because neither team wanted to lose so no one played rugby on either side i can’t remember either teams backs running with the ball on more than acouple of occasions.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:12am
kingplaymaker said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
I won’t be coming up with anything too much today after the weekend but let me hazard that Jake White is an excellent nuts and bolts coach while Mckenzie is a tactical innovator, and that neither is a rugby visionary. Both are world class perhaps but neither a ‘great’ coach.
On another note, Bob Dwyer is the most outrageously arrogant and misguided former coach: having won the RWC in the utterly different amateur era he clearly thinks he can and should pronounce on any subject with destructive venom and iron-clad certainty. He is normally wrong. Listen to the latest nonsense:
“They’re not far off the mark,” Dwyer said. “They are having reasonable performances against all sides. It’s quite feasible they could turn it around and perform well next year, if they have their best players available. If every team that doesn’t make the playoffs has to have wholesale recriminations and mass sackings, then something’s wrong.”
How many teams never have a few injuries? Have that many of the Waratahs main players actually been injured this season or unusually few? Why, given the stupendous access to talent and quantity of it they have should all of them need to be available to win? Did Jake White need anything like the quantity of talent to do far better? Are a series of ‘reasonable performances’ therefore good enough? Is a string of losses a series of ‘reasonable performances’? Is ‘quite feasible’ enough as a guarantee to keep a coach in place? Are the Waratahs like ‘every team’ or are they the biggest Australian franchise in the biggest rugby state with the best playing resources and therefore the highest expectations? Should they be expected to make the playoffs?
Dwyer should never comment on rugby again after that: or if he does he should recognise that his career was in a different rugby universe when the game was amateur and that he therefore must only comment on the game now as an outsider.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:55am
Red Kev said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
KPM that’s a great post (I so often disagree with you that I feel the need to chirp in with support when I agree). Bob Dwyer’s columns always annoy me (although I do always read them so I only have myself to blame).
May 28th 2012 @ 10:01am
kingplaymaker said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Thanks RK the worst thing of all with Dwyer is the continual denouncing of everyone else and trumping of himself, when he is really a man from another era.
It looks like we both got our wish with Dennis and Timani included, and it’s not inconceivable they will both play together with Horwill injured. The squad is so exactly what was predicted and expected down to a man that there’s almost nothing to say about it. Of course there will be another squad after the final Super rugby rounds which though much smaller could also involved adding new players so perhaps if anyone does particularly well from here on they might get in.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:53pm
Ben S said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
I think Dwyer is out of touch, but you do realise he also coached in the professional era, KPM?
May 28th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Rhino said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Yep, I too agree with KPM and Red Kev that Dwyer’s columns are FOS. He stubbornly hold onto opinions about players and tactics even when they are proven successes (eg. his negativity towards Higginbotham is bewildering).
May 29th 2012 @ 12:13am
Hopperdoggy said | May 29th 2012 @ 12:13am | Report comment
ESP. Given Genia’s selection along with Higs’s are prob the only 2 that have drawn zero commentary.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:55am
Harry said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Kafer’s line on the Tahs sums it up best” “16 years into the 3 year plan to win the Super Rugby comp”.
May 28th 2012 @ 10:02am
kingplaymaker said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Harry the Tahs should become like an English permier league club: ruthlessly professional and firing coaches after a year if they are obviously no good and even mid-season. Naturally the same could be said for all the franchises. The big event to build for in international rugby, the RWC, comes every four years so there is more a longer timespan to build but the big event in Super rugby happens every year so every year it is not won is a failure.
May 28th 2012 @ 12:43pm
Moaman said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Kafer is the only reason I continue to perservere with the Australian commentary team.Otherwise the ‘mute’ button would be trundled out every time.(It is still hovering near my hand)
May 29th 2012 @ 5:21am
Damo said | May 29th 2012 @ 5:21am | Report comment
Ditto Justin Marshall Moa. He adds more than two eyes worth of vision balance to your team.
I have noticed them taking his lead lately though.
May 28th 2012 @ 12:56pm
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
KPM – I can’t believe he said that! What arrant nonsense. The coach has the ultimate responsibility for the results (subject to player power stupidity) and should take the chop it is the nature of coaching. The selection of players is critical in both ability but mainly in promise as opposed to Elsom and Vickerman who in many peoples eyes are OTT great players but that one year too many. This is also a sign of a poor coach when he picks old stars rather than Id’ing new talent. Note the Blues have done the same with a similar result.
May 28th 2012 @ 1:10pm
kingplaymaker said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
stillmissit Dwyer is happy with terrible results from Foley but crushes and dismembers other coaches he doesn’t like no matter how well they do!
May 28th 2012 @ 6:51pm
Red Kev said | May 28th 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
“Dwyer’s View” is up. He has his obligatory crack at Higginbotham – bonus points to the person who comes up with (and posts under his story) the most inventive reason for Dwyer’s hatred of Scott.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:12am
LeftArmSpinner said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Now to the detail:I agree that the Brumbies do have a fortress at Bruce. Their fans are very supportive and knowledgeable particularly the bus drivers who come in and watch from the back row of the Gregan Larkham stand.
As for their firepower,it all starts with McCabe and 12. Last Saturday evening, McCabe, smith And Mogg were invisible. Mogg made two runs and managed to score zero in the fantasy comp in 76 minutes. McCabe made just 35 metres all night.
As for Steve Wash, he seemed grumpy all night. Not authorative, just plain grumpy.
I can forgive the penalty count , 13 conceded by the reds and 8 Blythe Brumbies because the game was fought out in the trenches of the breakdown, with two excellent backrows and in particular, promising openside flankers, going toe to toe for 80 minutes.
It is a little incongruous, if not barking mad, that both teams handed the ball back to eachother by kicking the proverbial out of it, 32 kicks from the Brumbies and 33 kicks from the Reds, only to then fiercely contest possession at the breakdown, often risking and conceding penalties! Field position is one thing but……….
With such a close run game, two very evenly matched teams, and a thrilling, close finish, I don’t think one can criticize the tactics for not winning. However, had someone else taken the kick rather than the cramping Holmes, things might have been different.
The reds just wanted it more and needed it more. The Brumbies ran 79 times to the reds 69 and the reds made 151 tackles to Brumbies 95.
May 28th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Big Steve said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
LAS agree with you on Holmes. He had been down a couple of times in the last 10 mins with cramp, and looked like a hammy. Is someone with leg cramps really the person who should be kicking for the match winner. White is a decent kicker isnt he.
May 28th 2012 @ 1:27pm
jeznez said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
LAS – does it start with McCabe though? Isn’t Holmes the main culprit in the kicking (with strong support from Mogg) pretty much the same positions who are the culprits in Tah land with Barnes and Foley (support there from AAC and McKibbin) kicking the leather off the ball.
The Tahs last week against the Stormers and the Brumbies this week against the Reds looked like they were playing to instructions to kick the ball away.
Frustration with the Tahs this week was that they started so brightly and playing a great style of footy, then the game got close and the players got scared and they started hoofing it away. Was cowardly rugby for mine that brought the Tahs down on Saturday.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:16am
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
The Reds are slowly slipping back into the sludge of McKenzie rugby and it has been on show this season. One of the commentators made the observation that the Reds players were carrying more fat than last year which is another McKenzie classic. He is a town planner but he should know his engineering that it is not only weight that gets you an advantage at the contact it is also speed, get both and you have a Jona Lomu, get it wrong and you just have slow footballers pick and driving. There is a middle ground here but it seems that the Reds are following the Waratahs into slow oblivion ……………………………..
May 28th 2012 @ 9:42am
formeropenside said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Only problem is, the Reds have the most wins in the Australian conference.
May 28th 2012 @ 9:56am
Handles said | May 28th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Well, it would be much harder to argue if you said the Reds were “joining the Waratahs”, but since you said “following”, I have to point out that since the Waratahs have never been anywhere else, it is hard to follow them there. The Reds on the other hand, have won the Super 6, the Super 10 (twice), and the Super XV.
Personally, I think the Reds v the Chiefs was as good as almost anything served up last year. The Reds v the Brumbies was dour, but anybody who can remember a free flowing Reds-Brumbies match is probably hallucinating.
McKenzie Sludge? Everybody has injuries, this is understood, but when you are down to your sixth choice number 10, it is difficult to expect that any semblance of inside back combination will remain.
More weight? I haven’t noticed a speed problem. Shipperly is quicker than Davies, is my understanding. Morahan looked pretty fast when he ran away from the Brumbies. Gill is first to most breakdowns for all 80 minutes, and there isn’t much fat on Higginbotham or Schatz that doesn’t belong.
stillmissit – I think you are dreaming.
May 28th 2012 @ 1:06pm
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Handles – following in style not substance, should have made it clearer.
I haven’t seen any great improvement in the last 2 games with Cooper, Ioane and Genia together again maybe it will pick up as Cooper gets his confidence back. Looking at the pack there are a lot of muffin tops in there and it shows around the paddock. Admit that Gill is quick but often he is on his own as the others lumber up. Higginbottom is another who seems to have slowed down this year. Slipper is the one going in the opposite direction but that is not a game changer just a guy with huge potential filling it.
The great strength of the Reds last year was always their keenness to play the game at speed and peel the opposition open with great balls from Cooper and Genia running into spaces created by the speed of the game. The Crusaders game last year was one of the best Super games in Australia since the Larkham days of the Brumbies.
This year they are still capable of performing but it is not as fast and it is being played more conservatively. Now whether that is because of injuries or because of McKenzie it aint good when you have Ioane, Shipperley and Morahan.
May 28th 2012 @ 10:23am
soapit said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
why is it that aussie derbies produce such awful games? do they not trust in their on ability to make ground and retain possession through their backs when the pressure’s on?
and who was that waratah who didnt chase the cheeta tryscorer and allowed him to bring it around close to the posts for the winning conversion?
May 29th 2012 @ 12:32am
Hopperdoggy said | May 29th 2012 @ 12:32am | Report comment
Yep, yep, Drew Mitchell
May 29th 2012 @ 12:45am
jeznez said | May 29th 2012 @ 12:45am | Report comment
I think Mitchell was putting in what he could but he hasn’t got any speed – definitely don’t think he was ready to play and having Halangahu and Carter both on the bench instead of including Pakalani was a mistake
May 28th 2012 @ 10:59am
sheek said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
I see that the Waratahs board will meet this week to discuss the continuing underperforming results of the Waratahs team.
There’s no doubt the playing roster needs a cleanout, but unfortunately nothing will be done about the administration, which ultimately is responsible for all this drivel.
NSW rugby is the largest in Australia, yet it is overwhelmingly underwhelming in its contribution to the overall success of Australian rugby. I would totally rearrange the structural arrangements of Australian rugby if I was running the show.
Things need to change, starting with the way NSW rugby is run…..
May 28th 2012 @ 11:55am
Rickety Knees said | May 28th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Ditto Sheek!
May 28th 2012 @ 12:12pm
Uncle Argyle said | May 28th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Hear-hear (from a Queenslander)
May 28th 2012 @ 1:09pm
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Agreed 3 Sheek. Lets hope there is some positive plan and not another political solution to a terminal illness.
May 28th 2012 @ 1:30pm
jeznez said | May 28th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
So when do the NSWRU board meet to discuss the performance of the Waratahs Board?
p.s. Can I have a super early Christmas present and the board announce Scott Johnson to coach the Waratahs next year?????
May 28th 2012 @ 3:57pm
stillmissit said | May 28th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
That would not be a bad choice jeznez – funny how out of sight is out of mind. He does know how to build a backline.
I was surprised that Scott Bowen hasn’t had that much of an impact on the style of play.
May 28th 2012 @ 4:12pm
jeznez said | May 28th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
When you have backs coach in Gaffney and an attack coach in Bowen and the head coach, a former hooker, wants to play a game of ‘attacking kicking’ – is it any surprise you wind up with a dogs breakfast?
May 29th 2012 @ 12:47am
jeznez said | May 29th 2012 @ 12:47am | Report comment
Have since learnt that Scott Johnson is the new Scotland attack coach – guess I won’t get my wish after all.
May 28th 2012 @ 10:26pm
Damo said | May 28th 2012 @ 10:26pm | Report comment
Sheek , yes.
The Tahs problem is connected to the ARU recalcitrance. The two problems of Tahs tepid state and OZ rugby invisibility stem from a resistance to structural change.
If one problem was solved then so could the other quite simply.
But the dead weight of OZ rugby cultural inertia ( and that of the Waratahs) means we have little free to air exposure of the game, no Tah/fan connection and another sad season of soft fanless rugby.
I’ve said it before – what are the ARU doing to structurally develop rugby in Australia’s first, most populace and most desperate state?
May 28th 2012 @ 7:54pm
Morgan said | May 28th 2012 @ 7:54pm | Report comment
ARU should pack up and relocate to Brisbane. If that’s too much politically, then head to Melbourne with a new headquarters there instead. Over the longer term, such a physical move would result in a more balanced national administration. Maybe General Cosgrove’s report will make this suggestion but I doubt it.