Are NSW and their fans really whingers?
By Ryan O'Connell, 29 May 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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A brawl erupts during the first half of State of Origin 1 between Queensland and New South Wales at Etihad Stadium in Melbourne, Wednesday, May 23, 2012. (AAP Image/Julian Smith)
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In the aftermath of the opening game of the 2012 State of Origin series, it’s become popular practice, particularly north of the border, to label New South Wales as whingers.
The accusation didn’t miss anyone either. It’s been levelled at Blues captain Paul Gallen and his players, coach Ricky Stuart, assistant coach Trent Barrett, ex-Blues players who voiced their opinion, the Sydney media, and of course, the Blues fans.
Even yours truly was labelled a whinger after I wrote last week that the refereeing in game one was appalling.
I stand by what I wrote though, as I believe the officiating wasn’t up to Origin standard. It matters little to me that Bill Harrigan came out and defended his referees on Thursday. Even allowing for Hollywood’s explanations, at best you could call the three decisions in question 50/50 calls.
Everyone accepts that some decisions will actually be 50/50 judgment calls. You just hope you receive 50 percent in your favour. However, zero percent of the three biggest calls of the night went the Blues way.
But enough about the actual decisions from last Wednesday. What’s done is done, and it’s time to move forward and stop the so-called whinging.
So is the label fair? When it comes to rugby league, is it accurate to call New South Welshmen whingers?
The most obvious thing to point out is that sweeping statements, just like stereotypes, are a dangerous minefield to navigate. It’s not wise to pigeonhole an entire demographic.
Yet the easy counter-point is that no Queenslanders are actually doing that. Most Maroons are more or less telling their southern counterparts to accept the referees decision, move onto game two, and stop moaning about Origin I.
Which is a fair point.
However, it’s also an extremely easy position to take when it’s your team that won the game. It’s an effortless decision to take the high road when your state was the beneficiary of the controversial decisions. And above all, you tend to be slightly more relaxed about such matters when you’re riding a 6 year winning streak.
You’re only a whinger if you lose.
Or if you’re Mal Meninga.
In any event, the Queenslanders who have called the Blues whingers this week would appear to suffer from a very bad case of selective memory.
Those who complained about Gallen’s tone and language to the referees last Wednesday should remember that it was fairly tame compared to Gordon Tallis calling Bill Harrigan “a (expletive) cheat” to his face, and subsequently getting his marching orders.
The great Wally Lewis once earned time in the bin for dissent, proving The Emperor of Lang Park was the king of the odd whinge himself.
There are also unconfirmed reports that Bill Harrigan had to have ex-Queensland Maroons captain Adriam Lam surgically removed from his ear after the 2000 Origin series, such was Lam’s penchant for whining for the full 80 minutes.
And, as aforementioned, who could forget Mal Meninga’s almighty whinge after last year’s Origin series, when he went on a rant about rats and filth? It was arguably the greatest Origin whinge of all time.
As for the media, The Courier Mail excels itself when it comes to whinging. Parochial, biased and one-eyed, the propaganda in that particular newspaper would rival anything out of Nazi Germany in the 1930′s.
Yet, all of this is not to suggest that Queensland are bigger whingers than New South Wales.
And I’m certainly not arguing that New South Welshmen don’t whinge either.
Gallen’s post-match petulance after Game III last year still makes me cringe. As does Ray Price’s comment during the week that he would have led the Blues off the park in protest after Greg Inglis was awarded that try.
I’m also reliably informed by Queensland friends when they travel south, that the Sydney media is horribly bias and more than prone to a good old whinge.
I guess that indicates that you hear what you want to hear, and read what you want to read.
At the end of the day, both states are guilty of having a whinge.
My point is that State of Origin arouses intense passion. It stirs serious emotion. And with that passion and emotion comes irrational behaviour, attitudes and comments. After all, there are no more passionate and emotional beings than women, and we all know how irrational they can be!
State of Origin. It’s a time to be biased. It’s a time to be one-eyed. It’s a time when you love to hate your brethren from across the border.
It’s a time to whinge.
Especially if referee decisions keep favouring Queensland.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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May 29th 2012 @ 4:45am
Shungmao said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:45am | Report comment
I’m all for passion but to be honest, the game is over and game 2 is fast approaching so lets focus on that. If it is true that Stuart got a analyst in to review the game to highlight 10 other penalties NSW should have got, he should be punted! Ricky’s past emotional rants leave a nasty odour, if he can’t take the pressure step away. Bring on game 2!
May 29th 2012 @ 5:39am
llieno said | May 29th 2012 @ 5:39am | Report comment
I laughed about the ‘independent analyst’ thing when I heard about it. I would say ‘independent’ goes hand in hand with being objective and it sounds as though he only carried out this analysis in favour of the NSW, unless he did actually analyse NSW’s indiscretions but it wasn’t mentioned in the articles.
May 29th 2012 @ 6:37am
andy said | May 29th 2012 @ 6:37am | Report comment
yes – an ‘independant analyst” who is being paid by NSW.
any analyst worth their salt would know what side the bread is buttered !!
May 29th 2012 @ 8:14am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
For arguments sake watch the game again objectively and see what you find.
What I find amazing is that QLD seem to be denying these things happened.
Manly are quite often the beneficiary of poor calls that impact the opposition. I’ll always admit as much when analysing the game eg Morimer’s no try a couple of weeks back halted the Roosters momentum. They have that try allowed the dynamics change significantly. Who knows if the result changes but it did have a bearing on the result.
Strike it up as a lucky win and move on
May 29th 2012 @ 9:22am
alex p said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
shungmao got it right . stuart’s constant churlish behaviour are more about covering his strategy deficiencies . he has long been known for his ‘siege mentality’ attitudes . someone shud tell him that when you preach seige mentality all the time as he does , after a while , your own team comes to understand that it really means he believes we are inferior and that try as we might , we probably can’t win !!! stuart thought he wud be clever & select good small men to take on a team of very good big men . when has that ever worked over a long period ?? ricky you are the problem ………..u have gone to press announcing your strategies of pace not size and so far , you have failed 3 of 4 times . you wud do well to remember that your opposite , Mal , has gone to great lengths to make the series (all of them) not about him …….rather it is all about the great game or his great team . typical of nsw , the coach wants to make it all about him . bellamy did the same thing . look its our time right now and u guys shud admire the team and their leadership and stop blaming refs and the like . yr turn will come again – but dont hold yr breath !!!!
May 29th 2012 @ 11:06am
damoinaus said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Come on mate, do you honestly believe that Mal wouldn’t do a similar thing if he was on the receiving end of some bad calls? Heck, the man even whines when his team is winning!
If you were a manager or leader in a company, and you felt the team that worked for you were hard done by (poor pay, poor working conditions etc)…what would you do? Just leave it and let them cop it? Or would you act as a voice or an advocate for them?
I think Ricky’s doing a reasonable thing – Gallop even invited him to have a chat about the decisions. Engaging an analyst isn’t an evil act folks – if you were meeting with your CEO, would you come into the meeting with no material, completely unprepared??
The big issue is the way it is playing out in the public realm – it stinks a lot like recent the Labor leadership crisis where they aired their dirty laundry in public. Very unfortunate.
May 29th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Gallop clearly believes there is cause for Stuart to be aggrieved, otherwise he wouldn’t;t have offered to have the meetings.
And for those accusing Stuart of being a whinger, it’s worth noting that he will be judged on winning/losing. If he feels the referees are influencing his chances of future employment, he’s within his right to call them into question.
May 29th 2012 @ 3:15pm
rl said | May 29th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
I’d say Gallop is just doing it to placate Stuart. Can you imagine the whinging if he refused to meet him?
And Stuart is a whinger, plain and simple. (So is Mal BTW) The classy way to do it would be to make your feelings known behind closed doors, not through the media. He’d get more respect that way, both from officials and the public. Sure, if he feels like he didn’t get a fair hearing, then perhaps you’d go public. Read what Patrick Smith had to say in yesterday’s Aussie – he know 2 parts of F-all about league, but he knows a hell of a lot about sport. If rugby league is serious about trying to gain inroads in the Victorain market, then whatever positive feelings generated by SOO1 have been completely eroded in what has followed.
And here’s a scenario for you: Stuart is on his last chance for SOO3, and Cecchin is refereeing. If I was him, I’d blow NSW off the park as payback.
Whether you thought Uate’s try was dodgy, or if you thought Inglis’ try was dodgy, the overall picture is NSW are right up to their guts in this series. Forget the things you can’t control (referees decisions) and work on the things you can control (starting with Uate’s defensive choices, Carney’s no-show, Pearce’s hot head, Watmough’s left-right-out!).
Gallop is a pretty level-headed sort of guy – I suspect he will hear Stuart out, then remind him of his obligations as a servant of the game, and that his future employment prospects are far better served reminding his employers that they employed a world-class coach, not a world-class whinger.
May 29th 2012 @ 3:32pm
rl said | May 29th 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
and I should add – we Qlders (led by Mal) whinge with the best of them too. It’s origin after all!!
May 29th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Did Stuart actually whinge that badly? Honestly? Maybe I missed something.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:53pm
rl said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
If Patrick Smith (who isn’t a league-basher) can be bothered to write about it in our national rag, I’d say it’s up there… honest injun.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:58am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
May 29th 2012 @ 5:45am
Purple Shag said | May 29th 2012 @ 5:45am | Report comment
As Sydney was the first placed colonised by the Brits, then naturally we’re going to be more prone to a moan south of the tweed. I just think it has been misdirected. Don’t hate the whistle blowers – hate the game. As Jason Taylor so rightly pointed out, it’s the rules that need changing. I was actually listening to the radio for the Inglis try (I live OS & my feed from livetv.com dropped out so I was left with streaming the continuous call team). Unlike Gus & Co (which I later watched on Youtube), the ‘sperts on the wireless were all saying that if Farah has in any way been assesed to have played at the football then the try should stand. It is a poor rule, as is the grounding of the ball with any finger/forearm/apendage with downward pressure.
League has suffered from the ability to take tries ‘upstairs’. For one, you rarely hear the sweat sound of the long whistle blow to award a try, the frame by frame makes decisions less clear, creates more grey area and there seems to be more controversies regarding rulings than ever before. Just what was the point of bringing it in in the first place. And as sods law would have it, the one time a match the ref doesn’t send it upstairs it usually turns that someone was standing offside or there was a little fumble in grounding (not that that seems to matter)
I’ve strayed off topic here, but hey – what can you do?
One last thing Ryan. 0% of 3 50/50 calls? Please. I’m sure you’ve stuck enough cash in the circle on Anzac day to know that no one can expect to get half the 50/50 calls right (particularly when there are 3!!) and if you can head em up like jimbo then it’s not even unusual to put together 10 on the spin. Lets jhope he ain’t reffing Origin II.
May 29th 2012 @ 1:53pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Yes, but Purple Shag, I don’t throw my money into the ring on Anzac Day expecting to lose either. I throw it in because I’m seduced by the juicy odds of 50/50.
The fact that we’re comparing gambling with the referee decisions is slightly worrying too!
May 29th 2012 @ 6:00am
EddieDicker said | May 29th 2012 @ 6:00am | Report comment
This so called whinging stems from sheer desperation. The blues faithful are entitled to air their concerns over the refereeing standards, or lack there of, in what is regarded as the marquee series in rugby league. Would the maroons fans of taken the moral high ground had the try been disallowed and NSW eventually won the game? And it would seem the salt was rubbed deeper into that 6 year, gaping wound, by the fact that the try scorer is in fact a new south welshman!
Even the most one eyed of blues fans can admit that Queensland have had far more talent in their ranks over recent years. But when the maroons are far from gracious in victory, how can they expect the blues to be anything but bitter in defeat.
May 29th 2012 @ 8:04am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
There is lots of talk about how we should learn to win more graciously but NSW set the tone of the discussion straight away.
The opening salvo here on the roar, partly Care of Ryan, was essentially that they were robbed by the referees which completely disregards your opponent. Every single discussion I’ve had with NSW supporters bar three have kicked off with some variant of we were robbed. Which is essentially saying QLD’s performance is completely a non factor in the outcome of the game. Even Ryan here is seemingly writing up a 1 in 8 occurrence like QLD won the lottery.
Sure at the end of most of the pieces there was the token “full credit to Queensland” which is like the “no offence” line after you tell someone they’re a moron with a face like a smashed crab, the physique of the Michelin man and a bit of a body odour.
Oddly enough the three discussion I had were the NSW supporter didn’t immediately disregard QLD were pleasant and amicable. There are few who got that if you want to have a discussion with gracious winners then you can’t kick it off by bitching to them about how their team wasn’t good enough and we were gifted a win by the ref.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:44am
A1 said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
I think Ryan’s main point was ‘we whinge, you whinge, we all whinge’.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:19am
damoinaus said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Mush, Ithere’s universal recognition across NSW of how good Queensland are. We’ve been watching in agony since 2006.
I think that’s why we’re so desperate to win…
May 29th 2012 @ 1:55pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Correct – and I also predicted Queensland would win, and have called them the greatest rugby league side I’ve ever seen. I’d admire and respect them greatly.
The Maroons are better than NSW, and the Blues need luck to beat them on one game, let alone a series. So when NSW doesn’t even get the luck, they’re screwed, because that’s how good Queensland are.
May 29th 2012 @ 2:14pm
Charles said | May 29th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Absolute rubbish Ryan!
NSW can and will win once they select the right players and come up with a sound game plan. We have not done that so far and when we do look out. QLD do have cohesion and some outstanding players but they are not unbeatable! We need to create our own luck!
May 29th 2012 @ 2:18pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Charles, I agree that NSW have to create their own luck, but the Queensland Maroons are a better side than the NSW Blues, regardless of who they select. This is just fact.
You touch on it, but it will take some creative tactics to beat them. But that doesn’t mean NSW will be better than them.
May 29th 2012 @ 2:51pm
Ronnie the Eel said | May 29th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
indeed, qld are so good. They have almost the entire Australian backline, and most of the forward pack, the nucleus of their side comes from two nrl sides that play together each week, and yet they still managed to only beat us by 8 points in Game 1 (courtesy of having 12 men on the field and a dubious ref. decision – even if it was the Blues own fault) – a side which on paper is far better and more experienced than NSW should beat us by 18 points + per game.
You would think it was that they were winning by 18+ every game the way Qld’ers talk their team up time after time and then come back with their infantile retorts that “we wouldn’t be so arrogant and self-righteous if NSW supporters didn’t whinge first, mummy!” In thinking that we believe that if the boot were on the other foot and QLD had dubious decisions go against them in a close game that they wouldn’t be whining their little hearts out!
I’ve also seen and talked with lots of QLD supporters as well since SOO’s inception – that’s the mentality the majority of them have always had when it comes to SOO – and they can’t argue that NSW supporters have been whingers since Day 1.
May 29th 2012 @ 3:22pm
Charles said | May 29th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
Ryan, I do not dispute how good this team is that is well documented!
However we cannot be negative we have to believe in ourselves
Comments as you have made only reinforce negativity as if they can never be beaten
They can and will be beaten if we pick the right side and have the right game plan in place
May 29th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
It’s not negative, it’s objective.
May 29th 2012 @ 6:38am
Bill Larkin said | May 29th 2012 @ 6:38am | Report comment
My biggest problem was Stuart’s pre-match whinge about the game being in Melbourne, and it disadvantaging the Blues. A defeatist attitude before the first whistle.
But to your larger point, I don’t see a great difference between NSW and Queensland whining. Just have a look at the article about the Storm vs Broncos match to see some quality Queensland whining.
(I’m your missus’s uncle BTW Ryan
)
May 29th 2012 @ 9:30am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Hello Bill!
That comment about women was, of course, not directed at you niece. . .
May 29th 2012 @ 6:40am
andy said | May 29th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
a good post … and fair comments on some prior whinging from north of the border.
NSW would be wise to note that the longer they spend thinking about game one…. the less energy they can dedicate to game 2.
May 29th 2012 @ 6:42am
steve b said | May 29th 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
I lived and played footy in QLD for over ten years and being a true blue blood i copt it from my mates and anyone else who loved rhe cane toads,,so from experience i can tell you they are just as good at whinging as we are , and if they got the raw deal handed out by the refs as N.S.W. did in the last game the courer mail would have it front page till game two..Without the help they recieved at super important moments in the game i am sure the result would have been different .But i am not winging about QLD winning its about how they won with their little pink fairies helping them along their way that gets me pissed , Lets hope for a fair go in game 2 and i hope the fairies dont help the outcome.Good article Ryan ..
May 29th 2012 @ 1:55pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Cheers Steve
May 29th 2012 @ 9:17pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:17pm | Report comment
Those little pink fairies you speak of come from NSW. The NRL and ARL don’t do much for the QRL’s referees. If a Queenslander wants to become a referee then more often than not he has to move to Sydney.
May 29th 2012 @ 7:00am
Pillock said | May 29th 2012 @ 7:00am | Report comment
NSW and Paul Gallen do themselves no favours by the constant sniping at the ref. While a captain can question decisions a good captain picks and chooses his battles rather than straight criticism and half smart comments as a constant rate all game.
I think keeping their mouths shut would be a lot more benefical than an independent analysis.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:18pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
Getting on the wrong side of the ref is never wise.
May 29th 2012 @ 7:46am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
Wow so yo were on wrong side of three 50/50 calls in a row.
You know this happens 1 in 8 times right this is hardly haleys comet stuff..
May 29th 2012 @ 8:06am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
You know what would be a really rare occernece. Actually getting 50% of 3 decisions 50/50 decisions. If you are expecitng that then we’ve got some problems.
May 29th 2012 @ 8:06am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
Momentum changing, game changing 50/50 calls are pretty significant. They weren’t run of the mill 50/50 ruck infringement style calls.
If QLD were on the wrong side of these calls can you imagine Mal’s reaction? I mean even after winning he penned a whinging article.
Ricky is just as bad I must admit
Origin has lost its shine. The game itself was sub-standard. It seems Origin is more about the off field stuff than the on field product.
May 29th 2012 @ 8:28am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
That’s great eaglejack but it doesn’t change anyhting with the probability right? It isn’t some diabolically rare occerence that needs grand enquiry.
(also the sin binning how is this a 50/50?)
Yes Mal would have lost it. Mal is a crazy idiot, as is Stuart, but no one is going to fire him whilst we win I don’t understand Stuart’s bullproof vest though.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:00am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Jennings deserved 10 in the bin but Scott should have gone too. He doesn’t throw the ball none of it happens.
The NSW players looked up to see Bird surrounded by 7 QLD players. Seeing Thaiday push his way through the middle of it would suggest that Bird is about to be punched. Tate runs and throws a swinging arm around the neck of Lewis to drag him off. He had to cover a fair distance to get to the melee.
QLD are one of the greatest rep sides ever assembled. They don’t need a leg up of 13 v 12 for 10 mins. Prior to that they struggled to get out of their 40m. At the very least it should have been 12 v 12.
Ill agree that Mal and Stuart are crazy. Must have been something in the water down Canberra way.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:11am
DingoBob said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
If Bird hadn’t pushed Matt Scott over after the whistle then he doesn’t get a ball to the back of the head so maybe he should of gotten 10 minutes.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:25am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Don’t want to get into this much further
But throwing a ball in the back of someone’s head, when surrounded by 6 mates, is far more inflammatory than Birds push when on his own. Sure he should not have done it. But it did not cause the melee. Throwing the ball at another player is done for one reason, and one reason only.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:17am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Frustration?
Sorry but if your going with some grand calculated plan you are giving Matt Scott far too much credit.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:42am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
mushi, in any sport a little push and shove will usually end as quickly as it started. But as soon as a ball is thrown directly at an opposition player the situation escalates exponentially. It is almost the equivalent of the bell going off at the start of a round in boxing. Things quickly get out of control after that.
May 29th 2012 @ 3:50pm
Handles said | May 29th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
According to Gallen, Stuart, and all the other whingers, Refs should let a bit extra go in Origin – right? I have never seen a player yellow carded for tossing the ball at someone’s head. Has it ever happened?
So the logic (including from Harrigan) appears to be, let a little extra go if the blues do it, but sned Scott to the bin for soemthing that has never attracted a card before.
OK, got it.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:15am
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Okay it’s gotten beyond a joke now. You’re either lying to us or yourself with this objective observation facade you insist on trotting out when you throw up dross like this.
You want Scott sin binned for throwing a football?
You guys wonder why we can’t all get along and discuss the game and yet think Scott should be sent from the field for the dangerous act of throwing an inflated rubber ball? After what Greg brids thrown at peoples heads it has a somewhat sweet irony right. If only you were joking.
At most, and I mean the most, you’ll ever get for that is a reversal of the penalty (which goes out the window once Jennings comes flying in) but most likely it would end with a discussion between the ref Scott and Bird to calm it down.
Brett Tate yes he comes from a distance but your “swinging arm to the neck” is a little bit on the exaggerated side in the same way that offensive linemen are a little on the overweight side.
He tries to cut off Lewis (who si also coming in but it is okay because he’s in blue and Tate’s not) , gets there a fraction late and yes his arm goes around his back and across the front of his neck as he pulls him out of the melee. But then, and this is the bit you seem to struggle with, he never throws a punch (I think Lewis does but then again he’s got a blue jersey so the ruels don’t extend to him).
If you think throwing a football, pulling a guy out of a fight and throwing a sucker punch are all worth a sin binning then you’re on another planet.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:33am
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
Our purveyor of the rules, Bill Harrigan, who dissected the Inglis try by taking different aspects of the rules from various sections of the rulebook to justify the try, said he would have had no problem if Scott was also sent to the bin. He was the instigator.
So it is ok for you guys to insist what he says on one matter is correct but then shun what he says on another?
May 29th 2012 @ 4:11pm
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
I must say I didn’t see that I apologise for my ignorance on that matter.
I do actually defer to what the referee’s after due consideration say.
May 29th 2012 @ 4:36pm
mushi said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
I wanted to put that to one side and then respond because when you get something wrong you should admit it,
Now for more of your details – where is the reference to Tate. If you are using Harrigan, who I believe we have to agree with as he’s done the post game analysis and will direct referees for the future encounters, where is the reference to Tate as a sin binng or do you now admit that to be wrong?
This also means you agree with the try, unless of course you’re going for the mix match of sources otherwise known as the hypocrite’s buffet.
Furthermore did you by chance happen to read/listen on and see/hear the part where he uses almost identical language for the Thurston/Hayne incident. If so why in under your objective guise didn’t you highlight then when talking about 50/50 decisions?
So you get 2 of 4 going against you if you accept Harrigans rulings (Thurston and the try).
2 of 4 sounds pretty freaking level so what are you whinging about?
May 29th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Mushi, you’re missing the point. When you lose, the bad calls or 50/50 decisions stick in your memory, because all you have left to fall back on is excuses.
When you end up on the right end of the scoreboard, you don’t really remember or care about the 50/50 calls, because you won, so you have no reason to dissect the game.
Only losers are whingers.
Again, unless your Mal.
May 29th 2012 @ 5:12pm
eagleJack said | May 29th 2012 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
mushi to be fair in my comment above I simply said Scott should have been sin-binned. I never said Tate should have been. I just pointed out that he also ran and pulled Lewis by the neck (which from Jennings perspective could very well have looked like a punch). But Im happy for Tate to remain on the field.
Hayne’s punch on Thurston should have been a penalty to the Maroons. The only reason I believe it was let go was because Thurston dropped an elbow onto Hayne’s throat. Regardless a penalty should have been awarded to QLD.
Having said that there were quite a number of unsavoury incidents which were not pulled up. Slater on Hayne was the worst. I was disgusted when Isaac Luke did the same thing in the 4 Nations. Yet Slater’s leg twist seems to have slipped by without comment.
And by the absolute letter of the law it was a try. Don’t agree with it as the rebound rule should apply in the field of play not in the in-goal. In my opinion Inglis played at it. Plus I still have concerns over whether Farah played at the ball at such speed. But if you believe he did, and you take into account the rebound rule, then try. A lot of assumptions on variables but these were made so it is a try.
Bring on game II
May 29th 2012 @ 8:08pm
Meesta Cool said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
Melbourne got sucked into this type of rubbish late last year and it destroyed their season… If anyone throws a punch or can’t control their temper, sit em down for 10 minutes — or if it is bad enough.. send em off!. with a minimum 3 week suspension.. the rubbish will soon stop!.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:22pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:22pm | Report comment
“Jennings deserved 10 in the bin but Scott should have gone too. He doesn’t throw the ball none of it happens. ”
I’ve seen plenty of NRL games that involved the ball carrier throwing the footy at a defender’s head for holding down too long in the tackle or for roughing them up. None of them were sent to the bin.
May 29th 2012 @ 10:10am
soapit said | May 29th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
May 29th 2012 @ 8:10am
jamesb said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
I agree with Shungmao right at the top, could we just forget about Origin 1, and move to the next game, which is only two weeks away.
Look, both states are a bunch of whingers. Ryan illustrating the points about King Wally, Gordie and Lam are on the mark.
I remember when Big Mal took over the Maroons job in 2006, he was complaining that if QLD don’t win, it would be the death of origin. Can you imagine how QLD would feel if they went through 6 series losses in a row.
I’m sure there be plenty of QLD whinging.
May 29th 2012 @ 11:51am
LM said | May 29th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Whinging? The whole state would be hiding under their beds, with tinfoil caps on, paranoid about a cool breeze, and accusing every man, his dog and his car of hating QLD and wanting them dead and wiped off the map.
May 29th 2012 @ 8:36am
Ben from Brisbane said | May 29th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Yes, the courier mail is parochial and one-eyed, but equally so the daily telegraph…the truth is, both sides are just as guilty of it as the other, and noone should be taking the moral high ground.
May 29th 2012 @ 9:45am
Rellum said | May 29th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
They do this on purpose to create a phony war between each other to sell newspapers.
May 29th 2012 @ 1:57pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 29th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
There is probably a large percentage of truth is that, Rellum.
May 29th 2012 @ 2:57pm
Ronnie the Eel said | May 29th 2012 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
Well said Ben – one of the only QLD’ers that has admitted that there shouldn’t be double standards and moral high grounds from either side…..