McKay vs O’Connell: a rah-rah grills a leaguie
By Ryan O'Connell, 30 May 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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Yesterday, we read Brett McKay’s answers to my grilling questions about rugby union. Today, it’s my turn in the hot seat as Brett applies the blowtorch to me about rugby league.
Like Brett, I’ve been given limited time to answer these questions, along with a word restriction per answer. So my thoughts and comments are spontaneous, with no time for editing or second guessing.
Brett McKay: Is this NRL season merely a 26 round playoff to see who plays the Melbourne Storm in the grand final?
Absolutely not.
While it’s difficult to envisage the boys from Victoria not playing in the grand final, most pundits, including myself, said the same thing last year. Instead, the favoured Storm were bundled out in the semi-final by a deserving New Zealand Warriors outfit.
The Storm looked invincible earlier in the season, but a shock loss to the Sharks a few weeks ago, and the inevitable toll that State of Origin will take on the team, ensures that Melbourne are vulnerable over the next two months.
Mind you, they’ve built a nice lead at the top of the competition ladder to give themselves some breathing space, providing them the latitude to drop a few games and still be atop of the ladder.
But after the first week of the finals, it’s sudden death, and anything can happen. There are plenty of teams across many sports that have entered their respective finals as the favourite but went home empty handed.
You still have to play well when it matters most, and the pressure is at its highest.
So, that’s a long winded ‘no’.
Brett: With most teams running a single playmaker in the modern game, is five-eighth now merely a fourth backrower?
The myth that most rugby league teams now only contain one playmaker has gained serious momentum in recent times. Even the great Gus Gould has jumped on the bandwagon, bemoaning the lack of pure five-eighths in the modern game.
But the myth doesn’t quite stand up to scrutiny. Or it depends on your definition of playmaker.
A list of the halves combinations in the NRL, disregarding injuries, suggests the traditional halves pairing is alive and well: Soward/Hornby, Roberts/Sandow, Burns/Walsh, Gidley/Mullen, Campese/Williams, Cherry-Evans/Foran, Johnson/Maloney. I could keep going, but you get the picture.
Where I think the myth comes from is the effects of the salary cap. With each team having a set budget, it’s sometimes not ideal salary cap management to spend a lot of money on both halves. Some teams obviously feel that it’s wiser to have one elite level half, combined with a solid first grader, thereby giving you the flexibility to purchase another elite level player in the forwards or backline.
That means that one of your halves is usually highly paid, and you’d obviously want that highly paid player with their hands on the ball a lot. That can translate to having a dominant playmaker, and a role player beside him, which may give the impression that a team is running with just the one playmaker.
I don’t think they are; they simply have a dominant half.
Brett: Is there far too much reliance on the kick in try-scoring?
There is certainly a reliance on kicking in order to score tries in rugby league. But too much reliance? I think I can debate that.
Quite simply, that’s the nature of the beast. That’s rugby league, and it’s an inherent part of the game, no different to ruck and mauls in rugby union.
I found it bewildering that many people were calling the two New South Wales tries in State of Origin last Wednesday ‘lucky’, because they came from bombs. The idea of a bomb is to put the opposition’s back three under heavy pressure from chasers, and then capitalise on any mistakes, or catch the bomb yourself.
Sure there is an element of luck in it, but is there any less luck in, for example, Carney and Uate making poor defensive decisions on the right hand side?
The attacking team is looking for defensive weaknesses to capitalise on. Kicks provide the opportunity to do just that.
We also need to recognise that kicking is the high percentage play. If teams always run the ball on the fifth tackle, then they run the risk of coming up empty handed. And I don’t just mean on the scoreboard.
The second best result, if a team can’t score a try, is to regain position via a line drop-out. And that’s impossible to do if you run the ball every time. Kicking enables the attacking team to mount pressure on the opposition; even if they should come up empty handed on the scoreboard.
Is there a reliance on kicking to score tries? Absolutely. Far too much? No.
Brett: Does interchange mean the game is too fast – will fatigue ever be a factor at the back-end of games again?
The game is definitely fast, but that is one of the game’s strengths, and I don’t think anything should be done to slow it down.
One of main attractions of rugby league is the speed of the game, so in answering the first part of the question, no, I don’t think the game is too fast. That’s rugby league’s point of difference, if you like.
As for the second component of the question, despite the interchange rules, fatigue is still very much a factor at the back-end of games.
Look no further than State of Origin as an example. The Queensland Maroons were out on their feet in the last 15 minutes of Origin one, but the Blues just weren’t good enough to deliver the knock-out blow.
With the professionalism of the modern player, and the subtle changing of body types over the years, particularly in regards to the new athletic forward prototype, fitness has never been more important in rugby league.
Already this season, we’ve seen many games won in the finals minutes, because the game opens up as players become tired, proving that fatigue is very much still a crucial factor at the back-end of games.
Brett: If you could poach one Australian rugby player to play rugby league, who would it be and why?
Before the code warmongers kick-off again, Brett and I are fully aware this is a hypothetical question. But if rugby league could get their hands on one rugby union player, I think it would be James O’Connor.
As a rugby league halfback, O’Connor would bring a lot to the table. Speed, footwork, ball skills, a super boot, plenty of x-factor, and little bit of a cheek.
He’s also bulked up considerably over the years, and his defence is brilliant.
I could easily see O’Connor playing a Shaun Johnson-type role with an NRL club, and I think he’d be an absolute sensation at rugby league.
He’s the complete package, and combined with his young age, there is no question that he would be an attractive poaching for the code.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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May 30th 2012 @ 7:10am
The Greatest Game Of All said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:10am | Report comment
I’d take O’Connor, Beale, Cooper and Genia
June 2nd 2012 @ 9:11pm
jmacredie said | June 2nd 2012 @ 9:11pm | Report comment
and if you included nz rugby players you would have to add TJ. Conrad, ranger, Nonu. barret, dagg, guildford, fruan, sonny bill, Tikoirotuma, Taylor, Weepu, Carter. And really I could go on and on forever, there are truck loads and truck loads of super rugby players that would make it and push out NRl players. I could think of lots more oz players and heaps more NZ, and SA players, also some argintinians, french, fijian, samoan scots, irish, welsh, players that would also make it in the nrl but I suppose when there is more than 5 million rugby players and less than a million league players you have a lot more options. Not to worry though. Rugby is only going to be in the olympics in 4 years time so that number will only double in the next 10 years. I think the main question might be who will be left in league.
May 30th 2012 @ 7:32am
Lidcombe Magpie said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Ioane, give me him any day!
May 30th 2012 @ 11:07am
Jay said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
here here
May 30th 2012 @ 3:04pm
Tommygun said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
+1
May 30th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Tommygun said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Or Nonu a couple of years ago. The Warriors did make an offer, Nonu knocked it back with the lure of the WC too irresistable. Time shows he definately made the right decision!
May 30th 2012 @ 3:39pm
p.Tah said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
I think it was the West Tigers unless he was approached by the Warriors as well.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/almost-a-tiger-nonu-channels-anger-in-quest-for-greatness-20100513-v1px.html
May 30th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Tommygun said | May 30th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
I stand corrected! It was the Tigers, would have been interesting to watch though!
May 30th 2012 @ 7:43am
A1 said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Good answers and good questions. Enjoying this Brett and Ryan. Agree on O’Connor, he’d be a superstar in league.
May 30th 2012 @ 11:13am
Brett McKay said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
cheers A1, it’s been an interesting exercise from both fronts I think…
May 30th 2012 @ 7:44am
MyGeneration said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
A couple of points I’d add, Ryan.
Re playmakers, you left out the Cronk/Widdop combo, for one, not to mention Cronk/Thurston at SOO level. There are also a handful of backrow playmakers still around,( eg. Glenn Stewart, Feleti Mateo, Luke Lewis, Dean Young). I’m not sure what Brett meant by “merely” a fourth backrower anyway.
Re the reliance on kicking. Isn’t one of the points of kicking to put outside defenders in two minds about whether to push up or hang back? If the defenders get into the habit of hanging back, then running on the last becomes a much more effective option. Rugby League, like every other game on the planet, relies on making your opponent think you’re going to do one thing, and then doing another. The kicking still has to be executed well to be effective, and there’s more than one type of kick. I think the variety of kicking strategies in the game from different parts of the field, and the skills with which they are carried out, are underestimated a lot of the time. Maybe there’s a defensiveness about the “five hitups and a kick” meme, which is a load of BS, in my opinion (not saying that was Brett’s point, in this case).
As for RU players, would have no problems with most of the backs, as the skills are clearly interchangeable, but I reckon Brad Thorn’s got a few seasons left in him
May 30th 2012 @ 8:27am
Col Quinn said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
MG,
Brad Thorn made it quite clear when he went back to Union that the the speed of the game and the body hits were taking to much of a toll on his body. He, honestly, said that one of the reason for his return to Union was to extend his playing career. The power game in the Union rucks may still suit Brad Thorn but the speed and hardness of League is just beyond him.
Adapting from stop start Union with time to set your defence is difficult. Both Sailor and Tuqiri had years of League experience but struggled, at first, with the speed and need for exact positional play in League. Tuqiri was scoring plenty of trys but leaking just as many after he returned. Will Chambers is still struggling defensively. Just as guys who have played only League struggle in Union, all Union guys will struggle in League. The codes have diverged considerably since the days of the Thornett Brothers and others who changed codes
May 30th 2012 @ 9:20am
MyGeneration said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Col, appreciate your comments, but please note the smiley after my Brad Thorn quip. I don’t think it’s a realistic option, but the guy is a freak! Agree that there are different speed and positional requirements between League and Union, but the skill-sets of the backs are still essentially the same, although my first-hand experience was gained closer in time to the Thornett Brothers than the Morris & Faingaa brothers.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:57am
Col Quinn said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Me too. Old age sucks
May 30th 2012 @ 10:25am
liquorbox_ said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
“Adapting from stop start Union with time to set your defence is difficult” there is no more start stop game on earth than League.
Ever since it became against the rule to be able to contest the play the ball by rucking the ball back at the play the ball the game has essentially stopped from the moment that “hled” is called until the hooker passes the ball.
As a forward, thorn had no time to relax, union provides a contest for the ball while ever it is in play
May 30th 2012 @ 10:39am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
There is no more stop/start game than rugby league?
That’s absolute rubbish – just simply not true.
In Brett’s questions, he even alludes to the speed of rugby league. The aerobic fitness of league forwards would be much higher than union. Just look at the difference in body types for starters.
May 30th 2012 @ 1:34pm
mushi said | May 30th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
I’m thinking of a little known sport in the US. Struggles for Tv coverage though. NF something or other.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:09pm
Sledgeandhammer said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
RL is definitely stop/ start – it stops at the tackle, but it isn’t slow. Hockey and netball are also stop start, but are also fast games for different reasons.
In terms of aerobic fitness, number 7s in rugby have always been the fittest players in either rugby code.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:17pm
League fan said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Sledgeandhammer I do think there are some great athlete playing 7s but I wouldnt say they are any fitter than the 15man game or league. They do have to do a lot of running but after all the game is only played for 15 minutes as opposed to 80mins.
In regards to the stop start nature every sport is stop start. With League though it may stop at every tackle but it is only for a few seconds before it starts again. You just have to look at the body shape of the players to see how fit you need to be.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:46pm
p.Tah said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
LF, I think mushi is talking about the position No. 7, openside flanker. David Pocock and Richie McCaw play 7.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:44pm
Dom said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:44pm | Report comment
I bet if you put a pedometer on billy slater and pocock you would think otherwise
Oh and if you union fans were gonna ask the famous question about the uncontested scrum?
1. It’s so we don’t have to watch 3 scrims get set and fall down before the ref flips a coin and someone gets a penalty while the game stops for 5mins
2. We still have it for set backline plays
3. I hate QLD
May 31st 2012 @ 12:43pm
Red Kev said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Yeah although I personally don’t find League that enjoyable it is important to recognise that the “stop-start” argument for league refers only to the ball – the defenders have to jog/run back 10-12 metres to reset their line then move up again; in Union the defensive line sets pretty much where the tackle is eliminating this additional aerobic fitness requirement. “Stop-start” as it refers to Union is more about the fact that scrums are contests and the lineout is an additional contest; League removes these contestable possessions by just making them restarts – the players stand still more often and the ball is out of play more often in Union.
June 2nd 2012 @ 11:03pm
jmacredie said | June 2nd 2012 @ 11:03pm | Report comment
sorry the biggest contest in rugby is at the ruck. It may not be the prettiest but it is there. League has only the kick contest for the ball. rugby has the ruck, scrum, kick, maul. I guess that means no contest between the 2.
June 2nd 2012 @ 8:32pm
jmacredie said | June 2nd 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
Reason why a forward can stay in Rugby longer than league is that you can develop and mature in rugby whereas league forward game is so one dimensional that it can’t last as long as rugby. you can stamp your style to the game in rugby whereas league is one style only.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:21am
D Maaga said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
i dont ever remember brad thorn saying that in any of the interviews. do you have a link to back that claim up?
May 30th 2012 @ 9:58am
Col Quinn said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Try back copies of the SMH
May 30th 2012 @ 10:05am
Maximus said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Thorn did say playing Union was harder because he had to jump, run, scrummage, maul, ruck, tackle which is a different set of skills from league so perhaps he was better suited to Union at this stage. Remember there have been international Rugby front rowers at 38 because it is such a specialist position with streength and skill so perhaps Union players have greater longetivity at least compared to the NRL brutality. Any NRL forward that gets to 300 games is a winner in my book. There was a Parramatta forward running around at 38 over 20 years ago but impossible now. Then again Thorn could be running around for Warrington in the ESL.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:30am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Hey MyGeneration,
I purposely left out some combinations (Thurston/Thompson, Prince/Sezer, Cronk/Widdup, Wallace/Norman, etc) because I simply couldn’t put every combo in with Brett’s tough word restriction rules! But I did say “I could keep going. . .”
And yes, another reason to kick is to keep the defenders honest, in terms of their line.
May 30th 2012 @ 11:19am
Brett McKay said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
hey MyGen, my point below about five-eighths and backrowers might answer your question. And ‘merely’ might have been a poor choice of word, it wasn’t meant as a denegration on either role.
And the kicking question certainly wasn’t a ref to the “‘five hitups and a kick’ meme”, you’re quite right, it’s just an outsiders view on how tries are scored. Interestingly, a league-loving mate sent me an email this morning in which he said there are far too many tries from kicks, to the point where he’d reduce the values of tries scored this way. Just shows how opinions are divided on this particluar matter..
May 30th 2012 @ 7:48am
Lidcombe Magpie said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Ryan, I disagree with you on reliance on kicking. One of rugby leagues great strengths is its predictability, you know what your going to get every time you watch it, however it is also one of its weaknesses in the fact that every team basically has to play the game in a similar way, partly due to the six tackle rule. I really hate knowing the fact that on 90% of 5th tackles inside 30m a bomb is going to be put up.
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May 30th 2012 @ 8:36am
Col Quinn said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
LM
Stats indicate that more teams are now choosing to run on the 5th and bombs or as us old guys call them, up and unders, are not the main choice of the playmakers. Low trajectory floaters, grubbers, bannanas, are all in the mix when 5th tackle kicks are taken. Grubbers behind the defensive line are used far more frequently than bombs. The thing I hate is the uncontested scrums. I would not like to see the time wasting Union style set pieces but a bit of a contest would introduce variety. The other thing I hate is the uncintested play the balls. The orginal concept of the pay the ball was to allow contest for possession. Bring back the contested play the ball.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:22am
warren said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
No Col we do not want this. All we would have is that ugly kicking and racking we had before. RL has simply developed differently and for the better like getting rid of those awful scrums. Seems like most things in life people have amnesia on how bad some things really were before we changed.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:34am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Magpie, I sincerely doubt that 90% of the 5th tackles inside the 30 metre line end up as bombs.
And in terms of predictability, there would be plenty of defenders in the NRL that would struggle to use the word ‘predictable’ to describe Benji, Thurston, Carney, Slater, Cronk, Farah, etc.
May 30th 2012 @ 10:08am
Maximus said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
It mightnt be 90% but has to be over 70%. BTW every game has its issues but the loose carry, stripped, lost ball conundrum still dogs NRL. Its a mess.
May 30th 2012 @ 10:22am
Col Quinn said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Hmmm Maximus, you just wouldnt be one of those Union supporters who cant see any good in League? Both codes have their strong points, which includes the powerfull rucks and mauls in Union, love them, or the speed and incredible handling you see in League, so considering two man strips are illegal in League and posession is the key, where are all these lost balls plaguing League?
May 30th 2012 @ 11:42am
Jaceman said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Didnt Gus Gould spend a season whinging about this as a problem. He has gone quiet this year as have all commentators across codes presumably in an effort to present a better game devoid of arguments about refs calls. That appears now to be the domain of post match deliberations (eg SOO 1).
May 30th 2012 @ 10:41am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Maximus, I bet you it isn’t even 50%.
May 30th 2012 @ 11:43am
Maximus said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
How about tries from kicks then??
May 30th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Inside 30 metres? I’d say 50% – but it’s pure guess work. I’d love to know the actual stats.
June 2nd 2012 @ 8:49pm
jmacredie said | June 2nd 2012 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
I would like to see how all of those players would stack up in rugby. I reckon that they would struggle with they lack of time and space. It took one of the greatest league players (sonny bill williams) 4 years to get to the top level of rugby. Benji would be to scared to swap codes(gets it too easy in league even when he stuffs up). Thurston would be ok some of the time. Slater would have moments but would leak too much defensively. Cronk Farah would be good if they went through the sevens programe. Carney would never get offered any sort of contract in rugby.
June 2nd 2012 @ 11:13pm
jmacredie said | June 2nd 2012 @ 11:13pm | Report comment
I’d like to see all of those guys you mentioned come over to rugby. A couple of them would do great. most of them would fumble around for a couple of years and then go back to league saying rugby was boring. In reality they were just crap, seen it lots of times over many years.
June 8th 2012 @ 7:31pm
Boris the Mudcrab said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
Predictable – Generally Union is like soccer in which the game is won via a penalty shootout.
May 30th 2012 @ 8:18am
Damo said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
The question about five-eighths and backrowers is interesting, but I think Ryan is right. Glenn Stewart has the skills of a number 6 but he still plays in the backrow. Anasta has spent time in the backrow, but he was a 6 for most of his career. Most of the halves around the league are halves, not converted backrowers.
I actually enjoy the kicking aspect of rugby league.
As for the rugby player I’d poach I would take Beale in a heartbeat.
May 30th 2012 @ 8:21am
jamesb said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Ryan, I think slowly we are seeing the return of the five-eighth.
Todd Carney is one player who has proven himself, and I’m sure he’ll have a better second origin game. Corey Norman for Broncos is coming through in leaps and bounds, while I’m also impressed with Aiden Sezer from the Titans. He does have alot of time as a player.
Of course Keiran Foran is also a very good five-eighth, who has already won a premiership. It would be nice if all five-eighths were similar to Cliff Lyons. I am not a Manly fan, but Cliffy was fun to watch.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:38am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
I agree jamesb, I think we’re seeing the return of the five-eighth. There are plenty of teams going with two strong halves. My comment about the salary cap needs to be considered, but if you can afford to have quality players in both positions, you’d be crazy not to do it.
May 30th 2012 @ 8:49am
Ken said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
I also find the 5/8th question interesting although possibly out of date. Ten or so years ago when the dominant five-eighths were big ball-runners like Fittler, Barrett and Daley, maybe this was relevant. All of these players were also ballplayers of course but they were all at their best when they were using their powerful running games and the role could have been trending towards a ’4th backrower’. It hasn’t really developed that way though, as noted above, most of the 5/8ths running around recently are genuine ballplayers
May 30th 2012 @ 9:44am
Ryan O'Connell said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Perhaps a better description for some five eighths would be ‘third centre’. Daley and Fittler both made the move to number 6 after starting in the centres. And there is a list of players who have done the same. In recent times, Chris Lawrence, Greg Inglis, Mark Gasnier, Shaun Timmins, Jarryd Hayne etc.
May 31st 2012 @ 8:40pm
Dubble Bubble said | May 31st 2012 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
I would suggest that the difference between a genuine 5/8 and a third centre as you put it would be creativity. Gasnier and Inglis were always going to be solid 5/8ths because of just how good they where but they where never true 5/8ths all tyhey could do was run hard and occasionally kick the ball. Where as Daley and Fittler were genuine 5/8ths due to their playmaking ability.
May 30th 2012 @ 8:49am
Big Tommy said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
I doubt there would be too many australian rugby players that would be able to cut it in the NRL. Some of the saffas and Kiwis might go alright though. Especially some of the outside backs.
May 30th 2012 @ 8:59am
Samu said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
I actually recall brad thorn saying that the hardest football of his career from a physical standpoint was test matches against south africa.
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May 30th 2012 @ 11:54am
Ryan said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Why would they be any better off than current Wallabies. We regularly beat South Africans and are improving against the ABs. What is it with some NRL fans and not giving credit where it’s due to the quality of the Wallabies. The NRL is far from the pinnacle of Rugby in this country.
May 30th 2012 @ 12:39pm
Big Tommy said | May 30th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Ryan if there were any Wallabies that the NRL would consider instant stars if they were to convert then some of the NRL clubs would be offerering them a contract. The only player that the NRL has been interested in the last few years was Quade Cooper but after his display in the world cup last year the interest has vanished.
The reason why the NRL is not looking at purchasing players from union in this country is they know they have all the top athletes already playing in the NRL. The main problem for the NRL is keeping the stars in the game as we all know the AFL, rugby and ESL would love to steal players. The new tv deal should see to this problem.
If I was an NRL scout looking for rugby players I would look at some of the players playing 7s. They have some tremendous skill.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Ryan said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Most rugby forwards are better off playing rugby and can earn more in rugby. What does the NRL have to offer that a Wallaby doesn’t already have?
When was the last Wallaby in his prime who went to the NRL??? None that I can think of because the Wallabies with the opportunity to win a Bledisloe, Lions Tour and World Cup are the pinnacle of both sports.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:15pm
Zippa said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Ryan Most rugby forwards are better off playing rugby and can earn more in rugby. What does the NRL have to offer that a Wallaby doesn’t already have?
The NRL gives them the chance to play in what is considered the toughest comp in the world out of both rugby codes, and if good enough the chance to play state of origin considered to be the toughest battle of all and then if you are really good play for the Kangaroos in the four nations and world cup.
Considering there will be a lot of money in the NRL soon when the tv deal happens I would say there are plenty of reasons to play NRL
May 30th 2012 @ 10:23pm
Ryan said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
Zippa, I like NRL too, been a massive Parra fan all my life, went to Origin last week in Melb but I’m under no illusion what the impact of both sports are in a global sense. Consider Australia’s most famous forward in either code over in the past 10 years or so?? John Eales v Gordon Tallis, both absolute legends in Australia but one has a global reach and the other does not. That’s the difference between playing in the NRL and for the Wallabies. This is fact not speculation of which is toughest etc.
May 30th 2012 @ 11:57pm
D Maaga said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:57pm | Report comment
every rugby or league competition are tough and its only the league fans and media who use that line its the toughest competition in the world.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:04pm
D Maaga said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
big tommy, if all the top australian athletes are in the nrl then why would they signed rugby union kids from nz and willie mason back from the dead? i didn’t know the top athletes in victoria, south and western australia are in the nrl.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:34pm
Big Tommy said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
They sign Kiwis because they are freak athletes especialy the Island boys who are just born for RL. Also they can sign them up in the toyota cup for next to nothing and breed them slowly.
I was refering to the rugby states NSW and QLD. The NRL already has the top athletes that could play either rugby code why because they have a proper domestic comp, with feeder clubs and a very proffesional u20s comp.
So regardless of what code they play when they are younger the creme of the crop will end up playing NRL because there are more oppurtunities.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:01am
D Maaga said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:01am | Report comment
the island kids are also born and made for rugby union and american football maybe thats why more of them prefer rugby union to rugby league in new zealand.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:50pm
Dom said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:50pm | Report comment