There are some positives for Australian rugby
By Who Needs Melon, 30 May 2012 Who Needs Melon is a Roar Guru
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To quote Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now: “Dialectic logic is there’s only love and hate, you either love somebody or you hate them.”
While Dennis Hopper may have completely misrepresented dialectics (I think he may have been smoking something), this quote often comes back to me reading Australian rugby blogs.
Maybe that’s the way it is with all blogs – only the extremes feel inclined to comment, so there seldom seems to be any middle ground between love and hate.
So, given the rampant negativity about – and I myself am a contributor – I thought I’d try to imitate Brett McKay in aspect (albeit I will never be able to achieve his style) and try to find some positives from the perspective of an Australian rugby fan.
One thought that came to mind is that although Australian teams aren’t faring as well, I think the standard of the whole competition has improved.
The Lions and Cheetahs have been in the bottom five every year since 2006. Watching either the Lions or the Cheetahs isn’t as painful as it once was. The Force and even the Rebels are no longer easy beats either.
We any longer have a few teams in another echelon and the remainder battling for scraps. It’s fair to say no team in the Super rugby competition can be taken for granted and that’s got to be a good thing, doesn’t it?
A strong competition between the top three ranked nations in the world has got to be good for the standards in all three of those nations.
Another thought that occurred was that in previous years we have had one or two good Aussie teams, then daylight and then the rest. I looked back at some stats to justify this perception so – fair warning – some boring facts and figures coupled with amateurish statistical analysis follows.
Last year we had the Reds – who were head and shoulders above the rest of the Australian teams – then the Waratahs a distant second, then the other three not even making it out of the blocks and taking up positions 12, 13 and 15.
But in 2010 we had third, fifth and sixth then the Force in 13th. In 2009 we had fifth, seventh and eighth followed by the Reds in 13th. A similar sort of spread continues back to 2006.
So I thought to look at the average place of the Aussie sides in the Super rugby completion and the picture is not a good one. It looks like this:
- 2006: 8.8
- 2007: 9.8
- 2008: 7.8
- 2009: 8.3
- 2010: 6.8
- 2011: 9.2
- 2012: 9.8
By the way, I’m counting the Brumbies as fifth at the moment, based on points, as opposed to third.
Admittedly the increase in the number of teams in 2011 skews things a bit but comparing the average place of New Zealand teams (7.0) and SA teams (7.2), we are clearly not doing too well.
But maybe this is good news in disguise – a really, REALLY good disguise – as well. In New Zealand the Crusaders are always in the top 4. It’s not a one-horse race in Australia. We’ve seen the Brumbies jump from 13th to be genuine contenders. And a few years before that we saw the Reds jump from 13th to fifth to first.
If the Waratahs can have a Brumbies- or Reds-style clean out and rejuvenation, if the lesson that star teams aren’t made up of star players starts to further sink in at the Rebels, if the Force can get a top-notch coach and string a few wins together, if at least some of our injured come back better than ever and if we continue to get some good youngsters coming through like we have this year…
Anything could happen!
Ridiculously optimistic I know but I urge fellow Aussie rugby fans to now bury the hatchets, get over our fury at the relentless kicking, put the incredulity at some of Deans’ selections aside and get behind this young, jury-rigged Wallaby side.
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May 30th 2012 @ 3:10am
Damo said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:10am | Report comment
Well put, Your Melonship.
There are other positives though.
With the smallest professional player base of the three nations we are short of depth.
If there is one thing all this rugby has brought since 2011, is an expansion of expectation – good players don’t necessarily have to go overseas to get a gig. Scott Fardy was in Japan before Jake weaved his talent into the Brumbies tapestry., for example.
More Aussie players rising to the weekly occasion means that we are seeing more and more player development, something that SA and NZ with their 3rd tiers can take for granted.
This marginal advantage takes added significance because we live in the most hotly contested football market of all tier one rugby nations. Most Australians would not even know that we are regular top 3 in rugby rankings. Many don’t even know the difference between RL and RU!
So when you expand that market to a populous city like Melbourne, which has loads of ‘enlightened
Expats then the code gains some traction.
These are all incremental baby steps but may be crucial in the area of creating the two crucial frontiers of player depth and fan base expansion.
The utter invisibility of rugby on free to air TV is another tipping point yet to be tipped.
It is frustrating watching 7 9 and 10 almost ignore that the game exists.
One of the morning show hosts on 9 is married to a former Wallaby. Another on 7 used to play the game at grade level. Still next to zero coverage.
Damm I started ou being positive! The dialectic pendulum got me!
May 30th 2012 @ 7:57am
King of the Gorgonites said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
You don’t need fta tv. Pay tv ratings will soon outdo fta
May 30th 2012 @ 8:41am
Albo said | May 30th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
I’m not as optimistic KOG. The market share of Pay TV has been steadily declining since the introduction of more FTA channels. Working in STV I am hoping very much that this reverses and I think that it will… hopefully as cheaper options are rolled out, but it will take time.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:56am
Who Needs Melon said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:56am | Report comment
Many thanks to the Roar editors who cleaned this up. I must admit it looks a lot better than the mishmash I submitted. Unfortunately I have never attained anything approaching mastery of the written word.
I would like to include Dennis Hoppers preamble to that quote though:
“One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can’t travel in space, you can’t go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions, okay? What are you going to land on – one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That’s dialectic physics.”
I like it because, if I hadn’t told you who it was from, it could EASILY have been from a Peter de Villiers press conference, couldnt it? I miss that guy.
May 30th 2012 @ 9:37am
Riccardo said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Classic Melon…
May 30th 2012 @ 3:31pm
jeznez said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
WNM – spot on, that could definitely have been a P Divvy press conference.
May 30th 2012 @ 7:21am
mania said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
its a great super comp this year. every team has the potential to beat anyother team. this is how it should be
aus conference is no where near as weak as people argued it was last
May 30th 2012 @ 7:39am
sheek said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Well done Melon.
Sometimes we can lose sight of the trees for the forest, or is that the other way around?
Now, can we just get the Reds to go back to maroon shirts; the Force to yellow shirts; the Highlanders to royal blue shirts; the Bulls to light blue shirts, etc.
And can we stop this political correctness of not wanting to offend minorities, & call these teams what they REALLY are – ACT, Western Australia, Waikato, Otago, Western Province/Cape, Northern Transvaal, etc.
May 30th 2012 @ 11:30am
Moaman said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Sheek; I personally don’t believe it is for pc reasons that NZ teams have franchise names although you may be correct when speaking for Australia.Though I have never warmed to the (imo)stupid monikers they have,the Franchises in NZ DO represent a far greater sweep than would be covered by the central provinces ie Waikato,Wellington etc and to call them that would be plain wrong.The whole South Island is divided into 2 Franchises as you know and the distances and differences are large by local standards.People in Blenheim or Westport would probably be rightly brassed off and curiously DISenfranchised by being represented by a team-”their team” called ‘Canterbury’!
On another note-I would love to see the Super teams adopt plain,bold cardinal colours that are distictive from one another on the pitch but am not holding my breath.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:25pm
sheek said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Moaman,
I’m sure most people in Blenheim (Marlborough/Tasman) or Westport (Buller/West Coast) accept their province will never be big enough to represent in super rugby.
So why pretend they are represented? They can always have a second team to follow in SR, be it Canterbury, Otago, Wellington, or other.
I read that the Highlanders have chosen green to totally separate the SR franchise from the Otago provincial team. I just personally think this is plain crazy.
May 30th 2012 @ 5:32pm
allblackfan said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
not really sheek; the Highlanders’ regular colours are similar to the Otago ITM team colours.
On occasion, having these other regions in the franchises can be a force for unification. For example, after the Pike RIver disaster last year (and the quake), the Crusaders wore West Coast colours when they took on Waratahs in Nelson. The other franchises also make a habit of playing regularly at other grounds within their franchises’ catchment.
This helps these people identify with their teams (and this extends to jersey colours as well).
A problem with the Aust teams is they never play a game outside their home venues: ie why doesn’t the Waratahs ever play a game at Newcastle? Or the Reds at Townsville (coincidentally, that’s where the Reds and Hurricanes will play their “friendly”)
May 30th 2012 @ 6:21pm
sheek said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:21pm | Report comment
Thanks ABF,
I read an article some time back from Stuff whereby the Highlanders CEO indicated the use of green was to create an entirely new tradition for Highlanders, separate from Otago.
If this is so, then obviously I don’t agree with it.
I agree with you entirely that the Aussie teams should play outside their normal home grounds. But I guess they’re cash-strapped.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:51am
Moaman said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Sheek; Otago has been usurped by Southland more than once in recent times as arguably the real power-base (along with Hawke’s Bay
) of the Highlanders.The switch to green may have pre-empted a change to maroon!! The ‘traditional ‘ colours on the Highlanders used to reflect North Otago as well.
Essentially-there is a definite gap between provincial and Super on this side of the moat.You and I will have to agree to disagree,amicably as ever.
May 30th 2012 @ 2:09pm
Denby said | May 30th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Sheek I agree with you but the Transvaal does not exsist anymore. The whole area has been renamed to Gauteng.
May 30th 2012 @ 2:29pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 30th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve tried explaining that to him. As if it would make a difference anyway: “Where are the Bulls from?” “Northern Transvaal.” “Right.”
May 30th 2012 @ 5:15pm
sheek said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Thanks Denby.
The leading SA provinces would then be, following the end of apartheid – Western Cape (Cape Town), Eastern Cape (Port Elizabeth), Kwazulu-Natal (Durban), Free State (Bloemfontein), Gauteng (Johannesburg) & Northern Gauteng (Pretoria).
May 30th 2012 @ 7:47am
sixo_clock said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
There are definitely signs that Australian Rugby is emerging from the misunderstanding of the sport in the past. Our packs are trying to become a force on the paddock. What is annoying is the inconsistency, it has to be that way every game and the leaders have to ensure the forwards go out there to do more than the minimum. When we finally rid ourselves of the notion of ‘Wallaby Rugby’ that change may be permanent. Having backs that work to make life easier for the forwards would be a great step up as well by not getting isolated or going for that extra yard or even stopping and fending to give precious seconds for the support to catch up.
It is merely situational awareness which is the bedrock of team sports especially ours. Pressure is the the key, build it, reinforce it and then exploit it, every position has to be aware of what the team needs to do and contribute. Conversely, what needs to be done to relieve pressure and not by just kicking the ball when there was a chance for a few phases to see how the opponents react even from the red zone may make all the difference to the team’s confidence and the end result. Predictability is pressure relieving.
Lets see how this translates to test level, Dingo has only days with an assembled squad, not enough time really, IMHO he has to maintain established partnerships making room only for the Beale’s and Bam Bam’s of this world.
Go the Wallabies!
May 30th 2012 @ 7:59am
Demers said | May 30th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
MELON & DAMO – I used to take a Socratic POV till I read Barbara Ehrenreich’s book Bright-sided in which she blows the power of positive thinking out of the water. I’m behind the jury-rigged Ws 100%, I’ll be cheering for them, but they’re facing a Welsh team that’s expertly fitted together without any weird selections. And how do we sublimate our fury re relentless up-and-unders if Deans adopts the same tactic? It’s more than likely given that Cooper’s in no shape, mentally or physically, to run, and 12 and 13 aren’t going to do much good even if they do get to run.
Ah, Dennis, gone to what glad ossuary? To steal the comment of Hopper and Fonda’s lawyer friend, and direct it toward Oz rugby, “This used to be a hell of a good team. I can’t understand what’s gone wrong with it.”
May 30th 2012 @ 9:09am
Ben S said | May 30th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Starting an article with an Apocalypse Now quote… I’m all yours.
May 30th 2012 @ 10:00am
Tissot Time said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Gotta love the smell of napalm the morning after a Wallaby loss ……
May 30th 2012 @ 11:31am
Ben S said | May 30th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Brilliant.
May 30th 2012 @ 10:25am
Brett McKay said | May 30th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Thanks for the shout-out Melon, nice to know I have “a style”
I alluded to this yesterday – with the Brumbies and Rebels on the upward spiral (again, in the Brumbies case), if Australian rugby can get the Force firing as well, then things will be looking good. The Reds and Tahs will always do well; they’ll always have strong squads. But if the other three can be strengthened too, and if those states can start producing Super Rugby players in their own right, then the current set-up will be rewarded..
May 30th 2012 @ 2:41pm
sittingbison said | May 30th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Brett the Force last night signed the 10 Sias Ebersohn (sic) from the Cheetahs as a development player. He has all the attributes they have been searching for so desperately, young, runs, directs traffic. Defence not great but not as bad as certain other 10s %). Its a step in the right direction.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:19pm
Brett McKay said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
I did read that, Bison, he’ll be a handy pick-up. He was great for the Cheetahs last year in combination with Pretorius, and so it’s just as vital the Force find a good scrumhalf for him too..
May 30th 2012 @ 6:05pm
sittingbison said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:05pm | Report comment
yup, Turner is permanently injured, and Holmes was improved against the Lions after appearing very rusty and slow in his initial outings after arriving mid season. Fans are conjecturing on possible 9s Mark Swanpoele (sic),
Allan Faalavaau (from sevens) and some young guys Pat McCarthy, Dewet Roos and Waldo Wessels.
A marquee 12 would be good, or if they could entice a guy like Harris or Tapuai? Then it would look say Faalavaau 9 Ebersohn 10 Honey Badger at 11 Tapuai/Harris at 12, Tupou at 13, Wara at 14 and Mafi at 15 with Seymour, Rapana, Stanley, Sidey, Dellit and Godwin in reserve- now we’re talking!!! Suddenly the laughingstock Force backs appear a bit more threatening especially if Ebersohn can guide them around the paddock.
The Force started with great backs (sans 10), and weak pack. Mitchell knew how to get the pack going and I believe their current performance is due to him, but now they have a great pack and malfunctioning backs!!
May 30th 2012 @ 6:47pm
Pierce said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
Turner isn’t permanently injured but Force are not renewing his contract and he is heading east like Zac Holmes, Ryan Hodson, Ollie Hoskins and so on. Force are f***ing hopeless at looking after and developing local talent. And unless there is a change to how they manage homegrown players I can’t see them ever being a success, you just can’t keep importing a whole squad. Further, what’s the point? When the Force were first set up there was a belief amongst the local rugby community of my acquaintance that they would develop and provide a pathway for homegrown players. That belief in my experience is not there any more. I’ve just about given up on them.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:19am
sittingbison said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:19am | Report comment
Agree pierce force are hopeless at progressing local talent, I have posted many times on this. However disagree re:Turner, the poor kid HAS been injured majority of his senior career. If he feels he needs to go east then do be it. He has been what 3 years at Force with geriatric Sheehan in front of him, plays one game every six weeks and goes off injured before full time and out for rest of season. To claim otherwise doesn’t wash we see with our own eyes, his career so far blighted by injury. Anyway good luck to him whatever he does.
Remember the squad is reduced to 30 with no local academy and no ARU development funding. The term hamstrung comes to mind
May 31st 2012 @ 10:20am
Brett McKay said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Pierce, if that’s the case, that the Force are letting Turner go, them words can’t express my level of dumbfoundedness….
May 31st 2012 @ 2:19pm
sittingbison said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Brett this highlights the problem with a reduced 30 man squad. How long can a team carry players like Shepherd and Turner if they are injured most of each season for three seasons? Shepherd is arguably their best ever player but could not get on the field. Turner is a developing local kid, just the type the Force desperately need. But the Force realistically cannot keep them on the roster. Everyone loses.
I’m interested in why Pierce says Turner is not permanently injured.
May 31st 2012 @ 4:10pm
sittingbison said | May 31st 2012 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
OK just done a little research on Justin Turner. Here are some clippings:
A serious back injury in a pre-season loss to the Reds in 2009 cruelled Turners hopes of appearing in the season proper. “It was stress fractures of my lower lumber in my back. I had to be sidelined for three months and I wasn’t allowed to run for two months”
Turner will undergo a knee reconstruction after suffering an injury at training in January 2011. He underwent a knee reconstruction in June 2010 after injuring himself while on duty with the Australian U20. Scans confirmed that he has re-torn the ACL in his right knee.
Turner has had two serious knee injuries that sidelined him for lengthy spells in the past two seasons. Twice in seven months he has had reconstruction surgery on his right knee. He first damaged the anterior cruciate ligament when playing for Australia in the 2010 world junior championships and then tore it again in pre-season training 2011.
JHolmes joins the Emirates Western Force as a replacement for injured youngster Justin Turner who could be out for up to eight weeks after damaging the medial ligament in his right knee late in March 2012 match against the Rebels
Justin Turner debut April 2, 2010 v Stormers Caps 10
Every fan has had nothing but best wishes for Justin Turner, but the cold hard reality of professional sport is he career has been ruined by injury and the Force of all franchises with its lack of depth cannot afford to keep him or other long term injuries like Shepherd on the roster. If he is cut by the Force I sincerely hope he can make it elsewhere.
May 30th 2012 @ 6:44pm
sheek said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
Brett,
Of course, this is the thing we really want. The minor states developing their own professional players. I have seen figures where the player growth rate in Vic & WA is highest, but of course they are working off a small base.
But it’s a positive step in the right direction.
May 30th 2012 @ 6:52pm
Pierce said | May 30th 2012 @ 6:52pm | Report comment
Junior and local rugby may be thriving in WA but it aint feeding through to the Force Sheek, see my reply to SB above.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:27am
sittingbison said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:27am | Report comment
The problem pierce is no tier between local club and S15, too big a gap!! No academy, no ARU funding and no ARC so is young adults want to progress they have no choice but to go Shute Shiels. Fancy that.
However the Force could have and should now do a hell of aot more out of the.box encouragement for local development. Rugby scholarships for international and local year 10s at all PSA schools, with coaches supplied is a start, with coaching sessions for serious club players next. And seduce footy kids not going to make it to AFL that they have a professional and international opportunity in Rugby.
May 30th 2012 @ 3:24pm
Sprigs said | May 30th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
In this quote from Easy Rider, Dennis Hopper foresaw the coming of the great Quade.
“No, man, like hey, man. Wow. I was watching this object man, li-like the satellite that we saw the other night, right? And, like, it was going right across the sky, man, and then… I mean it just suddenly, uh, it just changed direction and went whizzin right off, man. It flashed… “
May 30th 2012 @ 5:40pm
Matthew Skellett said | May 30th 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
“Who’s the commanding officer here?” …….”‘ain’t You?” but seriously Melon-you sound “…like the message boy sent by the grocery clerks to collect the bill ”