Is it really the Wallabies playing Scotland?
By Mantis, 31 May 2012 Mantis is a Roar Guru
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As someone who dreamed of playing for the Wallabies, I imagine that the first time you get handed your jumper would be an amazing moment.
You have toiled away, trained and played hard, and have finally been recognised for your efforts. You are one of the best in the country, one of the elite.
This is how it should be. But it is not.
The ARU scheduled a Wallabies test for Tuesday, and then another test for the immediate Saturday following that game. How can you have a competitive team playing Test match rugby with a three day turnaround? You can’t.
So what is going to be put out for the first two tests of the year is two distinctly different teams, both of which are representing the Wallabies. This frustrates me.
It is clear that the team picked to play Scotland is going to be more of an ‘Australia A’ (albeit not as much now due to injuries), even though they will not be recognised as this.
Could you imagine 10 or 20 years ago, Cadeyrn Neville getting a run in a Wallabies jersey after three Super Rugby games? All the best to him, I think he is a good player with a bright future, but he should not be thrust into that type of arena yet.
If the Scotland game was a week before the Welsh test, he probably would not be.
On the other side of the coin, I would be happy for him to play for ‘Australia A’. The same goes for Dave Dennis, Jesse Mogg, Bernard Foley etc…
But these guys playing for the Wallabies? Not yet.
I know the schedule is crammed, and the ARU needs to fill up the coffers, but this to me just seems to cheapen the Wallaby Jersey.
If there is not enough time for the tests (much of the team will be playing 3-4 days before in the final Super Rugby round before the break), please don’t cram them in. Fans want to see strong, competitive Wallabies sides.
We realistically should rack up a big score playing against Scotland on a (hopefully) dry track in Newcastle. But because of the team likely to be put out and the lack of preparation time, I’m not so sure.
Why not put out an ‘Australia A’ side against Scotland on the Tuesday? As it is not called the Wallabies, Quade would not be expected to play, and players like Neville and Mogg would be playing without as much pressure, pushing for a spot in the Wallabies, as opposed to being thrust into the Wallabies prematurely.
Some might say that an Australia A side would not be appealing to fans in Newcastle. I wouldn’t be one of them.
I would happily go and watch Australia A play against Scotland. I believe that they could be a more entertaining side, free to throw the ball around and push for a spot in the Wallabies. And they would be more than competitive against Scotland.
This would leave the more established Wallabies with a week to prepare for the first Wales test. And who knows, a bolter may emerge from Australia A and play his way into that Wallabies side.
I hope that this type of scheduling does not become a common occurrence in future Test series, as it is robbing fans of what they expect when they watch the Wallabies play.
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May 31st 2012 @ 1:12am
Johnno said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:12am | Report comment
Yes it is total bullocks it is a wallaby jumper and anyone or fans who dare question the ARU boys clubs should get stuffed, JON should make a statement to the fans who dare question if it is a real test match and a test cap to get stuffed. I mean really how dare people even question the ARU let alone a test match. This is scotland we are talking about one of the finest teams in the world playing at our most loved working class town Newcastle. I mean honestly some fans should show more respect to JON, the ARU, and kiwi Dingo Deans.
And how dare anyone question Sir Grahame Henry either with his selections in the 2007 season and world cup and 2011 world cups. It was not rotation , it was being strategic , and Sir Grahame had injuries too eg captain perfect Richie Mccaw.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:33am
peeeko said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:33am | Report comment
It’s a lot easier to sell tickets to a wallabies match rather than an Australia A game
May 31st 2012 @ 10:31am
Mantis said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Yeah true. But for a town that sees nothing but local club Rugby, I don’t imagine that would be an issue.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:38am
bluerose said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:38am | Report comment
come on the 2nd tier teams played 2test within 4days at the RWC but never complained…………..Samoa would have destroyed Wales and South Africa had they’ve been given a fair schedule……….
May 31st 2012 @ 2:38am
matthew said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:38am | Report comment
Thats a laugh! South Africa accounted for Samoa while barely lifting a finger.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:18am
bluerose said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:18am | Report comment
Samoa played SA 5days after playing Fiji and played Wales 4days after playing Namibia, had they’ve been given a fair schedule like the top teams they would have beaten either Wales or the Boks, both Wales and the Boks had a maximum rest period of over 5-8days before there next game. Samoa played Namibia (14th-Sept), played Wales (18th-Sept), played Fiji (25th-Sept) and played the Boks (30th-Sept).
May 31st 2012 @ 3:40am
matthew said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:40am | Report comment
I agree that the scheduling was unfair and a blight on the whole RWC but it’s pretty brave call to say Samoa would definetely have beaten either the Boks or Wales. Both teams basically held on against Samoa but also had room to put in much improved performances.
May 31st 2012 @ 10:05am
Moaman said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
May 31st 2012 @ 8:59am
All Blacks #1 said | May 31st 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
South Africa has never lost to samoa in 6 games so to assume anything other than another loss with or without short turnarounds is blindingly disrespectful. And in regards to not complaining are you kidding me? They didn’t stop complaining! Not only did they relentlessly complain but they did it all after they lost and started even blaming short turnarounds for their loss, meanwhile the Georgians who also experienced short breaks never complained but just relished the chance to regularly play the best sides in the world. In rugby 7′s does any team complain about playing high intensity international games 3-4 times a day 3 days in a row? samoa might have to start picking players with a harder mental approach maybe then they might win those games?
May 31st 2012 @ 10:02am
Ben Farell said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Spot on.
May 31st 2012 @ 2:13pm
bluerose said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
7s is different from 15s
May 31st 2012 @ 2:19pm
bluerose said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
the Georgians never complained because they had no real chance of reaching the playoffs while Samoa had the chance to reach the playoffs………..and please donot compare 7s with 15s……..7s is fast. high intensity for 7mins each half while 15s is fast, brutal, high intensity for 40mins each half………my argument is about the 15s NOT the 7s
May 31st 2012 @ 6:38pm
All Blacks #1 said | May 31st 2012 @ 6:38pm | Report comment
bluerose, you totally missed my point. I’ll keep it simple. If you want your comments to be taken seriously try not to make exaggerated claims about teams like samoa destroying teams like South Africa and blaming failed results on short turnarounds when history suggests a totally different reality when short turnarounds didn’t play a role. South Africa has earned their history and they are the second greatest test playing nation in rugby of all time behind the All Blacks. samoa has never beaten South Africa in 7 attempts, obviously any team can have a good game every now and then but to say something as silly as you did in your first post doesn’t make sense. Will they beat South Africa in the future? Maybe. But they haven’t yet so please pay the proper respect to the countries that have worked hard and earned their respect. You would have been better served saying something like ‘samoa would have had a better chance at victory in the world cup had the breaks between the games been the same’, you would have gotten more sympathy that way don’t you think? By the way, if you read my previous comment properly you would know I wasn’t comparing 7′s to 15′s I was merely pointing out that in my opinion too much is made of short turnarounds between games than are necessary.
June 1st 2012 @ 12:41am
bluerose said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:41am | Report comment
i respect your comments and opinions, i was glad to read so many different views to mine and i have a clear understanding………….if i have offended or disrespected any Boks/ABs/Welsh fan then my humble apologies to you all, have a nice day and please continue to support the game of rugby. GO RUGBY.
June 4th 2012 @ 5:49pm
Dan said | June 4th 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
LOL took yas another 22 years to get your second bill mate ,
Oz still the only team to win 2 Bills in a decade.
17 seconds away from winning 3 out of 4 World Cups then the forwards didnt see what i was seeing but anyways….
Not even the All Blacks let alone the Boks have done that and we are somewhere in the dark areas of International Rugby.
Got your stats beached as bro…….
May 31st 2012 @ 10:33am
Mantis said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
I agree with you, I don’t think thats right either. The draw obviously favoured the better sides, I don’t think thats right either but thats not what this article is about.
May 31st 2012 @ 5:40pm
Kuruki said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
I think this is a good opportunity for guys to get a run that otherwise may not have. Better to have a short turn around now then during the World cup. It’s great that some of the bigger protected species get a taste of what the minnows go through during the biggest Rugby event on the calendar.
May 31st 2012 @ 2:18am
James D said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:18am | Report comment
This is not a big deal. Is pretty standard. Theoretically provides a strong and different to the norm incentive for both teams to prove themselves against the other.
May 31st 2012 @ 2:23am
kingplaymaker said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:23am | Report comment
I think whatever anyone thinks of the argument here, it is one that is worth making and worth considering.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:52am
Behold said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:52am | Report comment
If the starting team is going to be made up of predominately Force and Reds players the starting team will contain 4 debutants tops.
1. Slipper
2. Faingaa
3. Ma’afu
4. Sharpe
5. Simmons
6. Higginbotham
7. Hooper (Debut)
8. McCalman
9. Genia (c)
10. Cooper
11. Ioane
12. Harris (Debut)
13. Faingaa
14. Shipperley (Debut)
15. Morahan (Debut, went on spring tour 2009, 2010)
16. TPN
17. Dan Palmer (Debut)
18. Pyle (Debut)
19. Pocock
20. White (Debut)
21. Barnes
22. Lucas. (Debut, almost went to the 2007 WC instead of Barnes)
I am not too worried about this being called a Test or not, I don’t see players making starting debuts in this game that weren’t available to train with the squad all week. While it is not near our best team, the team picked for the Welsh game isn’t going to be a best team either, you rarely have all your players available. I’d start Hooper in this game just keep Pocock fresh for Wales. I’d be very surprised to see Neville, Mogg, Vuna, Tomane, Foley all lining up this game.
May 31st 2012 @ 5:09am
King of the Gorgonites said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:09am | Report comment
It is in no way going to be an A team. It will be very strong. Dingo has indicated he will go with his best
Possible team. Look at the the fact there is about to be a sold out rugby game in newcastle on a Tuesday night! I think it was been a great move.
May 31st 2012 @ 6:13am
Simon Parisio said | May 31st 2012 @ 6:13am | Report comment
I was at Murrayfield in Scotland last time the wallabies played Scotland as a proud Aussie in a foreign land. We LOST that game to Scotland 9-8… All this getting carried away about an Australia A outfit being played, or if they are true Wallabies or not is rubbish. I hope the selectors are taking into consideration that although Scotland did not play well in the last world cup, or this years six nations, they have an amazing ability to win one off random tests against Nations and on there day can beat any one which they showed by beating us the last time we played them (2009), then beating South Africa the following year in the Autumn Internationals (2010). Living in Scotland i have watched them develop a very good rugby team that on its day, if it can get all its passes to stick are capable of beating just about any one. I think any one who has earned that chance to play for the wallabies deserves and i know they will want to do there country proud…
May 31st 2012 @ 8:47am
All Blacks #1 said | May 31st 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Good points but in regards to beating any test nation on their day I do agree with you but you should have added “except The All Blacks”. Scotland may be able to bum rush South Africa and Australia sometimes but New Zealand will always be to strong.
June 4th 2012 @ 6:15pm
Dan said | June 4th 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
Serious Simon we got held up 4 times with no TMO referall you being there you should of known that.
Little bit dodgey to say the least…
One off will never happen again especially here.
June 6th 2012 @ 10:05am
All Blacks #1 said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Just a friendly update for you Dan, I’m afraid to tell you this but the Wallabies just lost to Scotland again,I’m sorry. I hope the Wallabies can get past this humiliating defeat at home and back to back losses to Scotland and at least make a game of it against the Welsh.
May 31st 2012 @ 7:43am
Sandy B said | May 31st 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
is it going to be broadcast on FTA TV – Channel 9?
May 31st 2012 @ 7:55am
Ballymore said | May 31st 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
I think the Scotland test is the rugby equivalent of a football ‘friendly’.
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