Sorry Blacktown, you didn’t deserve this
By Andrew Sutherland, 31 May 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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I am very sorry Blacktown. In January I visited you and your modest neighbours, Rooty Hill and Doonside – quite by accident – and wrote a piece on it.
I’m ashamed to say I wasn’t very nice.
Bleak, isolated and windswept were the dominant descriptions.
Jonny G , a Roar respondent, commented: “Going by this article, it sounds like the area I live in is actually the set for some post apocalyptic film”.
I apologise sincerely for that Jonny – and for the prison analogy.
The reason for my contrition is an article penned by the Roar’s Billo Boy almost two years to the day – a piece that at the time smacked of low self-esteem and slight paranoia – that has proven to be entirely correct.
It was titled: “Is the AFL Too Good For The Sydney’s West?
Billo Boy, of course, was referring to the outer West.
As we all know by now – and sorry for another article on it – the GWS Giants have abandoned their multi-million dollar training facility in Blacktown and skedaddled twenty kilometres closer to the centre of Sydney.
They will now set up base in the Olympic precinct of the inner west.
Apparently, their precious little high draft pick wunderkinds don’t want to live in Blacktown, and the club wants to attract more support from the moneyed residents to the east and in the Hills District.
The first reason given for the move, however, by Chief Executive Dave Matthews was the absence of “a summer training facility for us at Blacktown International Sports Park”.
A summer training facility? What’s the difference between a winter and a summer training facility?
In my day you trained outdoors in summer: i.e ran. If the ovals at Blacktown aren’t big enough, the players could just do more laps; or run to Penrith and back.
If by a “summer facility” he means the presence of a body of water to cool down in, or perform recovery sessions, there’s always Prospect Reservoir to the south.
Or they could construct a bl**dy swimming pool.
It would be a lot cheaper than the millions being spent on the new venue.
For off-season altitude training the players will be in Arizona anyway. And if a player gets injured during the season and requires high altitude rehabilitation he can meditate on nearby Mt Druitt.
There’s also a Shaggers Ridge about.
Matthews said that the club had been “open and honest as we possibly can to the people of Blacktown about what the needs of an elite team are.” It’s a shame it wasn’t open and honest from the start and said: “An elite team doesn’t belong here”.
He also cited the modi operandi of the two largest and wealthiest clubs in the land, Collingwood and Essendon, as an excuse, claiming they are the “benchmark for the best young players in the country”.
Now I’ve been a big fan of the GWS players in their debut season but this constant emphasis on them being the anointed ones is starting to gall.
The players have never adopted Blacktown as home. Instead they have resided in the prefabricated horror show of Breakfast Point – a “housing community” overlooking the Parramatta River.
Lounging on their sunny verandahs being served protein shakes and bowls of Just Right by nannies, the spoiled little sh*ts look at catalogues for Maseratis and Aston Martins – which will be paid for by their increased contracts after threatening to leave for their original homes and a competitive team.
It they don’t want to live there let them go, I say.
Look at the significant number of NRL players who were stung by rejection and so journeyed south to the Bleak City to become champions for the Melbourne Storm.
If your players aren’t there for the weather or the lifestyle there’s a good chance you’ll develop a worthy team.
GWS will be “leaving” its Blacktown facility for its AFL academy staff.
I wouldn’t blame the Blacktowners, Rooty Hillers and Doonsiders if they burned the thing to the ground.
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May 31st 2012 @ 9:03am
waterboy said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
I hope those councillors including the recalcitrant Mayor of the time who arrogantly decided it was good value to pump millions of ratepayers dollars into the GWS project, despite a wave of protest at the time, have their heads hanging in shame…….yet I very much doubt it.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:31am
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Don’t worry, we know who they are, and they’ll know who we are at the next council elections
May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am
ManInBlack said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
doesn’t Cricket NSW get a say in all of this??
May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am
Lazy Ted Failyou said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Cricket went in half with the AFL, so they use it for 6 months, footy gets it during the winter. The Giants academy team will stay there so not much has changed.
They were not going to play games there in any case and the government of NSW wanted to get some use out of the white elephant facilities of Homebush.
The AFL haters are just splitting hairs, AGAIN.
In Victoria we happily built your rugby a home to a tune of 300 million bucks in the middle of town. We look after you, so how about some return courtesy? Not as if we come up there and take all your women, mind you, by the looks of Sydney blokes I doubt you are much competition.
May 31st 2012 @ 10:08am
Redb said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Exactly and not a cent from rugby league. The NRL are parasites on Melbourne.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:28pm
Rob C said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Could say the same about those AFL ‘parasites’ leaching money from the Wagga City council to promote a team that does not belong there, nether will and is too consumed by greed rather than goodwill.
NRL clubs have been promoting rugby league in Wagga for years at no or little cost to the Council. Just goes to show which game is actually community minded and which is greed focused.
Parasites Red B. Could not think of a better term than this myself.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:29pm
me, I like football said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
“NRL clubs have been promoting rugby league in Wagga for years” well they haven’t been doing a very good job.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:25pm
Drew said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Not to mention that the Storm are parasites on the NRL…
May 31st 2012 @ 1:38pm
Jerome said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
And the leaguies wanted to keep it to 20,000 – effectively a waste as Olympic Park already had such a capacity.
It was the Melbourne Victory, whose crowds were exceeding that figure, that insisted on a higher capacity for them to switch to it from Docklands.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:17pm
Lazy Ted Failyou said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
NRL should have just gone to Bob Jane or the hockey centre if they wanted such a small capacity stadium.
Here is an idea NRL, try and get more people to games! It seems to work in the rest of the world. But I suppose you want to keep RL a ‘TV game’, so you should just play all the games inside a tv studio with superimposed crowds, noises and weather. It is halfway there already as it is. I am positive the Oztam ratings are phoney.
May 31st 2012 @ 4:53pm
Tiger said | May 31st 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
The nrl gets bigger crowds than any domestic rugby comp on earth.
May 31st 2012 @ 5:30pm
Antony said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
“The NRL gets bigger crowds than any domestic rugby comp on earth”
That’s a pretty technical and misleading call. No elite level rugby competitions are purely domestic, in that they’re inter-country (e.g. Super XV, Heineken Cup) so I presume you’re excluding them?
If you’re not excluding them, then you’re kidding yourself if you think the NRL gets bigger crowds than the Northern Hemisphere club-level rugby comps.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:37am
The Bush said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
England, France and South Africa have purely domestic comps. In any event, I’d suggest the NRL gets more crowds and ratings than either Super Rugby and the Heineken Cup.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:16am
falcore said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Did the English RU comp wrap up with 82 000 at the final or am I confusing that?
May 31st 2012 @ 4:53pm
Tiger said | May 31st 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Apart from the millions of dollars wasted by blacktown council for a sport nobody in the area knows or cares about!
May 31st 2012 @ 5:18pm
Cman said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
@Lazy Ted Failyou and Redb,
“Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.”
May 31st 2012 @ 5:52pm
Michael/Brisbane said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
I wouldn’t mention fear if I was you, every negative AFL post from the league brigade absolutely drips of fear.
May 31st 2012 @ 6:04pm
Redb said | May 31st 2012 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
And Gallop rides to Wagga cap in hand “What about me” fear lol
Derision more like it.
June 1st 2012 @ 12:15am
The Link said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:15am | Report comment
‘The NRL are parasites on Melbourne.’
Last time I checked more than one football code use MRS.
But calling Rugby Union and Football parasites in Melbourne doesn’t fit in with the agenda does it?
Actually AFL and RL have much in common in Australia, you wouldn’t know about it reading garbage like this.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:04am
mds1970 said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
The difference between a summer training facility and a winter training facility is that the summer facility has a cricket pitch square that is either roped off or have covers over it; and no goal posts at the end. If you saw how the Giants were kicking for goal in the first half against Essendon last week, you can see why they’d want to train more often at a ground with goal posts.
There were issues with access to the training facilities when they clashed with cricket, and even when there was no cricket being played, the roped-off centre square was an issue for working on ruck bounces and centre square clearances.
The club’s administration offices will still be based at Blacktown, and they will run their development programs there. Blacktown will still host pre-season games, and maybe a regular season game per season; as well as Sydney AFL finals and various state competitions and rep fixtures.
May 31st 2012 @ 10:08am
ManInBlack said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
the other difference between winter and summer is that winter is ‘in season’ whereby actual full ground drills aren’t very common. Most players are more engaged in their weekly program of rehab and preparation.
The ground as a full oval is MOST needed during the pre-season/off season. And that’s when this venue is least available for AFL requirements.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:10am
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
This article is the reason why I and many proper westies, not those latte sippers in the inner west, hate GWS. They are meant to represent Western Sydney,they sweet talked MY council to give up MY rates to help set up their Blacktown headquarters yet abandon them at first chance. They don’t embrace the West and as such the West has not embraced them. The sooner they relocate to Canberra the better, either that or take the “Western” out of Greater Western Sydney.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:41am
mds1970 said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Unbelievable. Next they’ll be suggesting that Wests Leagues Club is in Ashfield.
May 31st 2012 @ 10:49am
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Considering that it was established in 1955, it is fair to say it was the Western Suburbs of Sydney of the time of it being establish. GWS? meh
May 31st 2012 @ 9:15am
Wat said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
What an appalling article. You don’t even make the slightest attempt to understand the situation of GWS. The facilities at Blacktown were not available to them during summer. What do you expect them to do, not train in the preseason?
May 31st 2012 @ 9:30am
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Wat, Why would you draw up plans for a stadium and training facilities and not factor in your pre-season plans. Seems a bit silly
May 31st 2012 @ 11:05am
The_Wookie said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
well that would be why the AFL sacked the CEO and replaced it with a guy from HQ. The issue seems to have been the fault of the GWS administration which more or less put together the team independent of the AFL, despite being owned by the AFL.
May 31st 2012 @ 11:49am
Larry Nelson said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Ok, so if it was the fault of a GWS administrator – but it is an entity that is to all intents funded and/or owned by the AFL – then you have ask questions about the level of due diligence being applied from the AFL towards their investment.
AFL rightly gets a lot of credit for the way they run their sport but they have to take some responsibility for what has occured here. You can’t just brush it off to some cowboy administrator from GWS.
May 31st 2012 @ 5:14pm
Gr8rWeStnr said | May 31st 2012 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
Do you have any evidence for your claim? Or does it just suit your purposes for this argument?
I got the impression Homes got the sack for giving Tom Scully’s dad a job, without letting others know, that then had to be included in the all important TPPs.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:25am
clipper said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
‘the club wants to attract more support from the moneyed residents to the east and in the Hills District’
The east don’t want anything to do with the west and the Hills don’t even think they’re in the west.
The outer west is full of ‘battler’ suburbs who fit right into leagues demographics and there’s no chance that they’ll ever take to AFL – they should have been concentrating on the hills and inner west areas which are a bit trendier and do away with the west tag it’s a liability to the team – when the had the base at Blacktown they were told no one wanted them there and when they leave they’re told they’re abandoning the area – as if they actually wanted them!
May 31st 2012 @ 10:39am
Mals said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Indeed. Hills District people acknowledge the West but put a North in front of it
I’m betting none of the imported GWS players stuck their hands up and said no probs I’ll rent a unit in Blacktown.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:35pm
Renegade said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
I live in the Hills District and i can tell you….they would get the same treatment because no one wants them here either, anyone who does support the AFL here are Swans supporters and wouldn’t change for a GWS team.
Mals, is correct most people that live in the hills will say their simply from the Hills District or the North-West.
And i don’t think the problem is them abandoning the area….it’s the fact that rate payers money has been invested in something that that has been abandoned.
May 31st 2012 @ 1:43pm
Mals said | May 31st 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
I’m at Pennant Hills, we have our own AFL team, albeit not in the national comp haha.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:17pm
AdamLudeke said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Speak for yourself mate… I live in the Hills as well and I, along with plenty of my mates have been getting behind GWS. Perhaps this has something to do with the Swans playing the majority of their games in the Eastern Suburbs.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:27pm
Mals said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Eh? I am speaking for myself & I wasn’t talking about the Swans. My local team is the Pennant Hills Demons. You heard of them?
May 31st 2012 @ 3:36pm
The Cattery said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
I think he was responding to Renegade.
May 31st 2012 @ 3:55pm
Renegade said | May 31st 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
I don’t think there is a large following for AFL in the hills district or western sydney to begin with however of the percentage that do follow it…I will guarantee more than 90% are Swans supporters and couldn’t care less about GWS
June 1st 2012 @ 9:48am
clipper said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
You’re wrong about the hills district – they have quite a few teams in the comp (as evidenced above) and whilst at Castle Towers ( in Castle Hill) I noticed the sports shop there had a very sizable component of AFL gear, something that does not happen in Liverpool or Blacktown where it would be mostly NRL gear with maybe a bit of soccer. Will concede that there isn’t much of a following further out west though.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:40am
Dudley said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
For the apologists blaming the cricket pitch, get real. Even though GWS has been around in some form for 3 or 4 years that they’ve just discovered this cricket pitch issue half way through their debut season?! For all the power and money that the AFL has, if they really really wanted to stay in Blacktown I’m sure they could have.
This is an amusing article. The mayor of Blacktown who tarted himself about on this (not to mention p!ssing ratepayers money up against a wall in a working class area) should hang his head in shame.
May 31st 2012 @ 11:24am
Ian Whitchurch said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Dudley,
As The Wookie said, and thats why the AFL sacked the CEO and installed their own man a couple of months back.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:37pm
Dudley said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Ian – Just read Wookie’s comment and my response to that is along the same lines as what Larry Nelson replied to Wookie’s comment with. You can’t just isolate it all to the GWS CEO.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:52am
Diz said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
People do realise there is a cricket pitch in the middle of Windy Hill that gets used in the summer and you don’t see the Bombers packing up going elsewhere…
May 31st 2012 @ 9:57am
Strummer Jones said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
So that’s why the Bombers struggled before Hird. Hird simply removed the cricket pitch and voilà !
May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am
Redb said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Wrong!
http://www.austadiums.com/news/news.php?id=462
May 31st 2012 @ 10:09am
ManInBlack said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
yup – couldn’t help but chuckle about this one.
The first sod got turned some time ago and recently there was further news of a funding shortfall that the president was going to make up.
Essendon are most certainly on the move!!
note too – cricket wise, the North Melb cricket club has been ‘displaced’ in recent years too.
May 31st 2012 @ 11:28am
The_Wookie said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
so they are spending tens of millions at Tullamarine for no reason? The Bombers are literally building not one but two ovals jointly with the Paralympic Committee out there. Also Richmond have just sent its Cricket Club packing from a ground they have shared for more than a century so they can have dedicated facilities.
May 31st 2012 @ 9:54am
Strummer Jones said | May 31st 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Maybe, just maybe, they could shift it around each year until they find out who will support them the most. Say, next year they become the North Sydney Bears and play their games at the North Sydney oval. Then play in The Shire as the South Sydney Watership Downs. Then move East amongst the fishermen as the East Sydney Arhhhh.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:38pm
Renegade said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
^^ GOLD
May 31st 2012 @ 10:07am
Redb said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
The Blacktown Council needs to refund the money that GWS put into this development.
May 31st 2012 @ 11:00am
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Blacktown Council needs to refund the money back to their rate payers for this disaster
May 31st 2012 @ 11:57am
JVGO said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
This is possibly the most insane irrational and offensive comment of the year. Exactly what on their part of the bargain did Blacktown fail to deliver?
May 31st 2012 @ 2:47pm
Gurudoright said | May 31st 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
An AFL team based at the complex for more than one year, that was partly funded by the Blacktown constituents
May 31st 2012 @ 10:31am
Captain Coach said | May 31st 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Geez, nobody saw this coming did they? I grew up in Blacktown and have that weird inverted pride that only people who have lived in a part of the world that EVERYONE looks down their nose at can understand. You know its crap but only someone from there can say its crap. If anyone from east of Pendle Hill says its crap they are a wanker. The fact that the team was called Greater Western Sydney, a term that no one but a demographer would ever use, shows how uncomfortable the AFL has been with the Sydney expansion and how little they really understand or care about the west. The reality is that there is a natural AFL community in the Hills District but that area is not large enough by itself to support a professional sporting team and so the concept of the team was expanded to the mythical GWS to sell it to advertisers and to broadcasters.
Ultimately the move to the Olympic precinct makes sense and don’t be surprised if the name of the team changes in the next 5 years or so. The real problem here is that Blacktown City Council got suckered in by the AFL and spent millions of its hard earned on something that no one in the area wants or that no one in the area will really use. I have to assume this is going to be a pretty big issue at the next Council elections and all the talk of academies etc is just crisis management. Rugby League will always be the main game in western Sydney because it accurately reflects and encapsulates the values of the area and the mayor and councilwould have got a tonne of support of they spent the AFL money on building an indigenous NRL academy or some such.
To me the real sporting opportunity in the area is going to be basketball – there has been a massive influx of Sudanese refugees into the area and these kids are tall. Some smart thinking and planning by the NBL could have centers and power forwards pouring out of Blacktown for the next 50 years.
May 31st 2012 @ 12:04pm
JVGO said | May 31st 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Yes Blacktown Storm are an emerging power in junior basketball. Look like this year they may be the first minor association to ever win an U18 NSW championship on the back of their Philipino and Sudanese demographic.
May 31st 2012 @ 11:12pm
Neil Pollard said | May 31st 2012 @ 11:12pm | Report comment
I agree with you Captain Coach. Can the title Greater Western Sydney engender any real tribal support which is a key part of fan support in all the football codes of Australia? It looks like the AFL is hedging their bets at the moment and don’t want to alienate any possible fans. The AFL is also using GWS to service Canberra AFL fans so they may be thinking that the Giants ‘Brand’ may have more future than the location of West Sydney. What they will find is that Sydney is quite different to Melbourne in that people don’t move around as much mainly because transport in Sydney is difficult. Homebush is the best home for them geographically as it is the dead centre of Sydney. I think it will be fascinating to see it unfold and the AFL may well pull it off as they have proven since they formed their IC in 1993 to be an amazing business.