Can old bad Cooper become new good guy Quade?
By Spiro Zavos, 1 Jun 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Wallabies player Quade Cooper. AAP Image/Dave Hunt
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Quade Cooper’s recent interview with Greg Growden caught my eye. The sentiments Cooper expressed, if heartfelt and acted upon, suggest that during his long and painful recovery from his damaged knee, he has grown up and matured as a person.
This maturity, if it is the real thing, could be the makings of him as a great match-winning player rather than the flakey and often brilliant showboat capable of losing games single-handedly as he has been.
Cooper told Growden that he looked on his enforced rehabilitation period as an opportunity “to better myself”.
He said he was mentally and physically stronger than he had been last year: “Ability will on get you so far. The rest is hard work and dedication. My goal is to just keep getting better.”
In my view, there is generally a correlation between a player’s attitude to life and play and a superior performance. The great players are talented athletes, admittedly. But there are many talented athletes who never achieve greatness.
What distinguishes the greats from the could-be greats is a dedication to hard work, a commitment to improving their play no matter what heights they have already achieved, a confidence bordering on arrogance in their ability to turn matches at critical points and a certain humility that they are only as good as their last game.
In business talk this is summed up with the phrase “continuous improvement”.
If you look at the great players you see all these factors coming into play. To take one example, look at the way Richie McCaw has turned himself from being primarily a ‘fetcher’ to an all-round loose forward who wins lineouts, makes the most tackles, runs, links and passes and contests virtually every ruck and maul.
Compare this accomplished versatility with the one-dimensional play of David Pocock.
Getting back to Cooper, there has been a mental flaw and a playing flaw in his game. The mental flaw is that he is too intuitive, rather like Carlos Spencer, a brilliant flyhalf who never graduated to the great category because he never learnt to read the game accurately and to submerge his instincts to ‘express himself’ for the greater good of the team.
This mental flaw of Cooper is aggravated by the playing flaw of his unwillingness and inability to make his tackles. Spencer, a player Cooper grew up admiring, was also a poor tackler. He, like Cooper, tried to compensate for this weakness in his play by over-playing his hand with the ball.
Both Spencer and Cooper have found that it is not possible to play with touch-rugby brilliance in a Rugby World Cup campaign. The five-eighths who have dominated in RWC tournaments have been players in control of their instincts and their game: Grant Fox, Michael Lynagh, Joel Stransky and Jonny Wilkinson.
If Cooper is serious about the hard work and dedication changing his play, he has to demonstrate this with a huge improvement in his tackling. He says that the lay-off has allowed him to build-up some muscle, so let’s see it.
He can’t be reckoned to be a consistent match-winner at the highest levels if he has to be hidden away on the wing when his team is on defence. All those tattoos and the thin-eyed stare he affects suggest that Cooper wants to be perceived as a hard man on the rugby field. Let him prove by defending in the line and knocking over runners in the manner of Wilkinson and Dan Carter.
If the new Quade has emerged from the bad old Cooper, he needs to improve his attitude to his opponents and the general line of his often stupid twitters.
I know that the accepted argument in Australia is that Cooper was unfairly targeted by rabid All Blacks supporters during RWC 2011 and that the incessant booing and attacks in the media led to a collapse of his confidence and a series of awful performances.
To my mind this is nonsense. Cooper brought the attacks on himself by his infantile attempts to rile McCaw. There was the patronising tap on the head after the Wallabies defeated the All Blacks right on time at Hong Kong. And then last year there was the deliberate knee to McCaw’s head, which provoked a furious retaliation from Brad Thorn.
These incidents were seen for what they were in New Zealand, smart-arsed tactics to engage McCaw in an on-going series of cheap shots. McCaw didn’t buy into this nonsense. But the New Zealand public were rightly incensed and made this clear whenever Cooper played in a RWC game.
For his part, Cooper poured oil on these flames of outrage by twittering away in a manner that showed no respect or good sense. Again, the New Zealand public resented this juvenile posturing. I called this behaviour in a posting on The Roar a bit like ‘farting in a cathedral.’
I would make one other point about all of this. None of the other Wallabies suffered from the same abuse from spectators as Cooper did. Players like Will Genia, Digby Ioane and David Pocock were applauded for their play and received accolades from the NZ media and the NZ public.
Old bad Cooper brought all the abuse on himself. My feeling is that if the new Quade is really determined to be a good guy, on and off the field, that he will enjoy the same sort of rapture, if his play deserves it, that players like Mark Ella, David Campese and John Eales received when playing in New Zealand.
If, of course, is the key word. Well I am a big believer in the redemptive powers of sport. Players can change their behaviour and their lives through their performances on the field. I hope that the good Quade has learned from his time out of big rugby and won’t take for granted the opportunities he has had for growth, as a person and as a player, as he did in the past.
If the new good guy Quade becomes an adequate defender, he should be the number one choice as flyhalf. I know in the past I have argued that he might be better for the Wallabies playing like a Shane Williams-type of winger.
But if he really understands the flyhalf game and if, as he did against the Brumbies, play within himself while still being capable of the match-winning turn, (all the big ifs), then he has a mortgage on the playmaking position for the Wallabies for all long as he wants.
This set-up allows for Kurtley Beale to remain at fullback where he is most effective. It was noticeable to me, for instance, that T G Perenana (who is destined to be one of the great All Blacks halfbacks) monstered Beale in virtually every play in the Hurricanes – Rebels match and rendered him inoperative even before he was injured.
With the new Quade at flyhalf, James O’Connor can move to inside centre with Pat McCabe at outside centre in a type of replay of the Horan/Little combination.
And this brings me to one last point. What better demonstration of the new good guy Quade than a statement of loyalty from him that he intends to stay with the Wallabies until the conclusion of the RWC 2015 in England.
Unfinished business and all that…
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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June 1st 2012 @ 1:43am
Ben said | June 1st 2012 @ 1:43am | Report comment
I am not sure i want Quade to be a good guy. He obviously had his hat handed to him at the RWC, but i wonder how much Deans had to do with that by playing that rediculous conservative game plan. Right before he got injured Quad was having a great game against Wales.
If you saw his reaction to the Canberra crowd last weekend it would suggest that he can keep his natural instincts down for so long until they pop up again. I am a die hard Unio fan but truely believe Quade belongs in League. He will be comfortable there. Its nice to see his razzle dazzle but test Rugby is a serious endevour, that his head will not ever seriously be up for.
June 1st 2012 @ 2:48am
Johnno said | June 1st 2012 @ 2:48am | Report comment
No still old bad Cooper.
June 1st 2012 @ 3:16am
MattyP said | June 1st 2012 @ 3:16am | Report comment
Spiro I think it’s a bit rich that a few niggly acts from Quade deserved the pathetic, ongoing response from the NZ audience. So the guy was a bit of a nob a few times – that alone hardly should have justified making him “public enemy number one” status. For you to dismiss or ignore the contribution of factors such as (a) Quade having had a lot of success against NZ provincial teams and the Wallabies win over NZ, (b) NZ’s seeming preciousness about Sir Richie, and (c) Quade’s role as a game changer that the NZ fans feared, is to disingenuously assess the situation. For mine, his silly petulance was, rather, used as an excuse for a well-orchestrated campaign by the NZ press and public to put the biggest perceived threat to an NZ win off his game. It’s almost like you want to deliberately downplay the pathetic nature of the NZ public and press here??? It’s not like NZ hasn’t seen (or produced!) cheap-shot artists and nigglers before, yet their behaviour was unprecedented, and not a few Kiwis I know were themselves reviled by what they were seeing. So please, layoff the the argument that somehow the NZ press and public had the moral highground. Quade acted like a nob a few times, the NZ public as a whole over-reacted in a pathetic, small-minded and paranoid display which tainted their role as gracious hosts. Plenty of blame all around here. Let’s move on.
June 1st 2012 @ 4:08am
MYOB said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:08am | Report comment
agree………………………remember when Umaga and Mealamu dislocated BOD’s shoulder with an illegal spear clean out in 2005, the Lions management team and supporters complained about it but was told by the NZ media to ”get over it, its a man’s game” why cant they do the same?
June 1st 2012 @ 4:15am
Johnno said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:15am | Report comment
The hit was fine BOD is soft.
June 1st 2012 @ 4:27am
Ben S said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:27am | Report comment
If there is one thing O’Driscoll isn’t it’s soft.
June 1st 2012 @ 4:29am
trakl said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:29am | Report comment
Irrespective of the “hit” – Brian O’Driscoll is an all-time great centre and is on course to make his 4th Lions tour.
Your “soft” comment is both ludicrous and shameless.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:39am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
well at least they’re winning dogs.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:42am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
the main problem with the AB’s is they dont cheat enough. i’m not talking about misdemeanours like hands in the ruck. i’d like to see some richardLoe and TroyFlavell type players back. then all u naysayers would have somethng to moan about.
that would be a much better situation and then all this moaning would be justified.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:23am
CraigB said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
you mustn’t confuse not being caught and penalised with not doing the acts in the first place
June 1st 2012 @ 7:41am
Kuruki said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
We did get over it, right after we beat you guys in the semi, as far as we are concerned, mission accomplished.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:44am
Riccardo said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
Ha, love it.
Amazing that running at Pocock so directly nullified the Wallabies that day.
“Too easy”
June 1st 2012 @ 7:44am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
BOD never should’ve struggled when he was lifted in the air. citing commision agreed and tana and mealamu were cleared.
not like cooper, who was cleared for kneeing mccaw by the citing commission bt when he got back to his team they fined him for being irresponsible and disrectful.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:51am
Ben S said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Well, I guess nobody guilty has ever been declared innocent in their life… How silly of O’Driscoll to struggle when he’s had both legs lifted off of the ground simultaneously by two players.
How Mealamu got away with headbutting Lewis Moody I’ll never know either, just like how Ali Williams got away with stamping on Josh Lewsey’s head…
June 1st 2012 @ 7:56am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
o’driscoll was an idiot struggling, he shouldve been trying to protect himself. he had no levarage and though he was superman and fly out out of the tackle. dumb
mealamu – yeah how he got away with that and some flying head butts i dont know
yeah cos its only kiwi’s that get away foul play. lets not mention plank, or rocky choking conradSmith in the semi’s. or tuquiri spear tackling mccaw etc etc. its only the the big bad kiwi’s who are the boogey men of world rugby.
dont hate them cos u aint them
June 1st 2012 @ 8:18am
Jerry said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Mealamu didn’t get away with it though, he got suspended for 1 game (it did get reduced from 2). Hartley got away with smashing McCaw in the face with a forearm though.
As regards Mealamu & Umaga, there wasn’t any decent footage available to the citing officer or they’d have seen some time on the sidelines, as they deserved (Mealamu more than Umaga, as he continued on with it). The clear footage only showed up at a later stage and the only really good footage was from the crowd.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:25am
Ben S said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Bit tongue in cheek there, Jerry. In hindsight it didn’t come across.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:26am
Riccardo said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Not our finest hour, I’m afraid.
June 8th 2012 @ 2:09pm
guinness14 said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Look QC was just stupid. What he did was childish and pathetic. He should have punched RMc. A full on brawl would have been better. Guys like Brad Thorn don’t just jump into this shit for no apparent reason. There hard men of the game. You compare this anttic to a spear tackle. Thats a different ketle of fish. Hey if QC was man enough to throw a punch, I for one wouldn’t boo him at all. Good aticle Spiro. AB Crusader and Force supporter.
June 1st 2012 @ 6:19am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:19am | Report comment
mattyP – it was fun picking on cooper last year. it galvinised and brought the NZ public together. we all thought cooper could handle it. guess not. i guess cooper thought he could handle it. again maybe not. all in all it was a bit of fun and u need to get over it. NZ have, lol
“Quade’s role as a game changer that the NZ fans feared” hahaha funny, whose scared of cooper? his team mates cos they dont know what he’s gonna do.
“yet their behaviour was unprecedented” Classic coming from an aussie.
June 1st 2012 @ 6:52am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:52am | Report comment
kog – it was a small minority that made your experience terrible. sorry it wasnt all roses for you, but to tarnish all of NZ supporters because of the few? attacking the aussies supporters was petty and for a kiwi embarrassing. attacking cooper was fun, deserved and cooper gave as well as he got.
yeah everyone needs to get over it. its done, dusted and long gone. hopefully NZ has had its fun with cooper.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:28am
rl said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Mania – unlike KOG, my RWC experience was excellent and the kiwis I encountered all chirped away well within the spirit of the game. There’s an equal percentage of idiots on both sides of the ditch that get carried away (including in positions of high office who should know better). In Australia’s case, you can trim it back a little simply by blowing up a stadium of State of Origin fans.
Quade’s a first rate knucklehead who knowingly made a target of himself, Mundine-style (I wonder who his manager is?). Sells tickets, generates interest. I wouldn’t personally do it, but then again I’m not a freakishly gifted rugby player.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:01am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
thanx RL. its only the minority of aussies that bemoan the WC. i presonally felt it was awesome and showed the NZ spirit towards rugby. all visitors that i spoke to thought it was awesome and welcoming. i know that most of the kiwi public went out of their ways to make visitors feel welcome.
its unfortunate its the minority of yobo’s that make the most noise, both in the real world and here in roar.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:24am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
oh well a pity. i’m sorry it was sucky for u but dont blame all of us for a minority of idiots.
i’ve havent always been welcomed in aus but i know its not all of u to blame
June 1st 2012 @ 12:43pm
stillmatic1 said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
exactly mania. you get idiots everywhere. why get so upset to the point of nausea like KOG? what happened to sticks and stones? geez, everyone is just so sensitive about a bit of verbal sparring, where the likes of KOG, dont want to spar!!
the rivalry is great, and gets some life back into the bledisloe, even though the wallabies cant beat us! quades a goose, and that was shown again v the brumbies. maybe it has something to do with mundine!? act the fool and maybe people will hate you enough to pay to see you play!?
best part of the cup (despite the abs winning) was the games involving the minnows. russia v georgia, japan v tonga all good hard fought games and great crowd involvement. never been to whangarei before the tongan games but absolutely love the area. oh and KOG,my wife and i actually had a bad experience there too with some locals, totally ruined about 30 minutes of my life. now where to get the rest back?
June 1st 2012 @ 12:49pm
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
glad u enjoyed it stillmatic. i was impressed with nz as a whole in the effort that everyone went to to make visitors welcome. everyone i spoke with loved, especially people from big metro areas, they were impressed that lil ol Nz went to such an effort.
i reckon we put on a good WC. shame its the last that will ever be seen here
June 1st 2012 @ 5:29pm
Kipper said | June 1st 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
mania,
A few of us Scotsmen travelled from all over the world and met up in NZ for the World Cup. Felt extremenly welcome everywhere we went, especially when we had the kilts on !!!!
Perhaps it was also because we weren’t really expected to trouble the winner ???
June 3rd 2012 @ 9:44am
tommymonsternz said | June 3rd 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
everyone loves the scots, they drink loads and know how to have a good time.
June 1st 2012 @ 1:25pm
Jarmen said | June 1st 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
I wonder how much influence Mundine now holds over SBW
Since he has been at the Chiefs his whole attitude seems to have changed, he’s a lot more aware I guess of how highly the public regard him and he seems to have been humbled by this. I’m not saying it is the only thing but I’m sure having Wayne Smith there is something we can’t discount I know SBW really respects Wayne and maybe just maybe there may have been a distancing slightly between him and Mundine. Well for now at least.
June 1st 2012 @ 1:37pm
KiwiDave said | June 1st 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
I cant really see SBW going back to the NRL. Financially he will be no better off. He could even be worse off considering he is the poster boy for New Zealand rugby now and idolised by a far bigger audience he ever was in the NRL. His brand reaches a far bigger audience with Rugby Union and bigger audience = more sponsorship bucks which makes up a sizable part of his income.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:55pm
CraigB said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
Too true it did show the NZ spirit of rugby. Arrogant, self absorbed and holier than thou. If there was any justice te hate would be returned 10 fold in Sydney, but sadly with so many kiwis choosing australia as their home, bitchie Mccaw and the boys will get a friendly reception
June 3rd 2012 @ 11:02am
Xiedazhou said | June 3rd 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Well said Craig. Its entirely laughable when Kiwis trot out the word ‘precious” to describe folks that state that the kiwis over-reacted to Cooper’s so called misdemeanors against McCaw. but then again, life is about balance isnt it? I guess thats why the inhabitants of small insignificant nations tend to have the largest chips on their shoulders.
June 3rd 2012 @ 7:33pm
stillmatic1 said | June 3rd 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
insightful!! pretty sure every person on the planet has chip on their shoulder about something, xiedazhou. nationality has nothing to do with it. but nice try. how about trying to balance out “your” opinions!?
June 1st 2012 @ 4:19am
TaTah said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:19am | Report comment
As a Waratahs and Wallaby supporter I wish that Quade could tackle, and I wish he would give the Twitter a miss. Quade is not high on the list to speak at the local town hall. However, isn’t the Rugby World Cup the third biggest sporting event in the world after the Football World Cup and the Olympics? Has there ever been a nation who have embarrassed themselves so badly as NZ as a host of any of those events by booing their rivals like that? I was hosting some Americans who were bemused by that. It doesn’t reflect well on NZ, or rugby for that matter. Sorry Spiro, if you think that behavior is acceptable as a host you’re wrong. I saw Sir Colin Meades speak in Australia, boasting about how he used to smash people. Coopers tap on McCaw doesn’t compare to Meades’ crippling Catchpole. Not your finest article Spiro.
June 1st 2012 @ 5:49am
Thurl said | June 1st 2012 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Eight months on and the battle for the moral high ground is still going. Comparing Cooper with Sir Colin is nonsense. At least Sir Colin did smash people. If Cooper had of smashed McCaw in a tackle instead of the niggly use of his knees, things may have been different for him.
June 1st 2012 @ 5:58am
Ash said | June 1st 2012 @ 5:58am | Report comment
Meads in an act of thuggery took out Ken Catchpole and ended his career.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:47am
Riccardo said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Micheal Briall? Al Baxter?
Living in a glass house Ash?
June 1st 2012 @ 8:59am
Justin2 said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
And whose career did Brial or Baxter (what did he do, give an angry stare?) end a career?
The booing was childish and pathetic. That it happened not just against NZ shows the whipped up nature of the kiwis during the RWC…
At least the old “Hadlee’s a wanker” chant was somewhat humorous and really a back handed compliment to the great man Sir Richard
June 1st 2012 @ 12:48pm
allblackfan said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
not wanting to get into all this, Justin2, but do you really think walking out onto a pitch as the entire crowd call you a wanker is humorous?!?
Jeez …!!!
June 1st 2012 @ 1:18pm
Jarmen said | June 1st 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Haven’t you been reading ABF the term w@nker isn’t seen as derogatory in Australia….
Supposedly???
June 1st 2012 @ 6:22am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
tatah – we didnt boo our rivals. just quade. itwas fun
June 1st 2012 @ 6:46am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
Tell tat to the bogart on the hill in Nelson who booed the Australian anthem.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:54am
Jerry said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I’m picturing some guy at the rugby in a trenchcoat and fedora…..
June 1st 2012 @ 8:11am
katzilla said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Of all the hills in all the towns in all the world……He had to be on that one.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:56am
ohtani's jacket said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
How dare anyone boo that proclaimation of Australian wankery.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:29am
Riccardo said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Too subtle OJ…
June 1st 2012 @ 10:28am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Haha bloody I pad. Bogan…..
June 1st 2012 @ 6:45pm
Sage said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:45pm | Report comment
Don’t waste your breath. Pearls before swine. Yes it was hilarious and it made you look really good. Next !!
June 1st 2012 @ 7:02am
Hugo said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:02am | Report comment
SPIRO – firstly, I don’t expect to see the new, improved, more mature Quade play dazzling attacking rugby against Wales. He hasn’t had near enough time to get back into the game. Deans and JON are rushing him because the fly half factory has closed for repairs. But if he starts looking good in the new 4N setup, I don’t believe it matters if he has to have a stand-in tackler. Somebody moving into his spot on defence can always make a tackle for him, but nobody moving into his spot on attack can run the gap, or put through the grubber or a cross-kick or throw a hard, fast spiral pass to an inside back, not like Quade if he’s playing well. It would hardly be the first time the scouting report said, “Great runner, lousy tackler.”
And I can’t agree with your implied comparison of McCabe with a ball carrier of such talent as Jason Little who could step off either foot with little loss of speed. The Welsh tests should tell us whether or not McCabe is worth his salt as an attacking centre. If he does well as a runner, it will be a surprise to many.
It’s hugely important that Quade learns how Bernie Larkham played the position in internationals. If he does, we’ll have the best backline in rugby if, there’s that word again, Mitchell comes back and JOC finally gets to plays 12.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:17am
Wally James said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Thanks for this article. It raises some pretty fair points I think.
While I accept what you say about Cooper’s disgraceful conduct against McCaw and his smart Alec attitude generally, I think you may be a little askew with your comments about the NZ reaction. It was as churlish and narrow minded as Cooper’s actions. Neither showed what Rugby should be all about – good sportsmanship.
I was the subject of abuse in NZ for wearing green and gold last year. I was at Eden Park when Ireland played so intelligently to beat the Wallabies. I saw a large part of a New Zealand crowd wearing green and take great joy in an Australian loss rather than a marvelous Irish victory. It was quite confronting for my wife.
The fact of the matter is that in any group there are always some you would rather not have in the group. With Cooper, unfortunately, I think we are having a battle of wits with an unarmed man, just as I was when abused.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:32am
formeropenside said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Pfft, if McCaw doesn’t want to get kneed in the head occasionally, stop being on the wrong side of the ruck.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:45am
Jerry said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Pfft – you might want to have a look where he was when it happened, genius.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:37am
Browny said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Not sure why McCaw didn’t get dragged in front of the match review panel for what was an obvious head butt to Quade’s knee.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:43am
Jerry said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
I believe McCaw caused a small injury in Quade’s ligament that months later caused him to collapse…
June 1st 2012 @ 8:54am
Red Kev said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
My God is there no end to Ritchie’s guile?
He even TIMED the injury well, after all most expected Australia to beat Ireland in the pool game meaning instead of the Bronze Medal playoff it would have been the final against the All Blacks when Quade’s knee gave way. The man is some kind of criminally insane genius!
June 1st 2012 @ 7:34am
Kuruki said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
I love how precious you Australians are treating the whole situation. Basically you were just caught in the middle of New Zealanders dishing out there own justice to other Kiwi’s. If you can’t handle the way Qaude was treated because he turned his back on his country and then decided he would take cheap shots at our captain, then maybe you should think wisely before handing out your national jersey to anymore Kiwi’s. And before you get on your high horse about the actions of the New Zealand public, just head on down to one of your local matches and see how the drunk bogans dish out the warm welcoming to anyone with a bit of a tan.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:01am
Justin2 said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Just wandering how he turned his back on NZ?
Clearly you have some pent up emotion about all of this. Take a chill pill…
June 1st 2012 @ 10:00am
Sprigs said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Exactly. He came to Australia when he was 12.
We are world citizens and people are allowed to emigrate.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:10am
Justin2 said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Bizarre considering most Kiwis on here think he is a rubbish player anyway. I would have thought it would be good riddance…
June 1st 2012 @ 10:29am
Kuruki said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
I would not be surprised to see new signs popping at at Airports and immigration centers around Australia, “Please go home, unless you are good at Rugby or League if so please accept this complimentary coffee and a copy of our national anthem”
June 1st 2012 @ 5:02pm
Patrick said | June 1st 2012 @ 5:02pm | Report comment
Talk about a chip on the shoulder. NZ should fix its economy and then maybe less of its citizens will want to leave
June 1st 2012 @ 10:22am
Kuruki said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Pulling on the Wallaby jumper while proclaiming to be a proud Kiwi. Nothing disgusts me more.
It is not surprising that Australia often find themselves loosing to a less skilled more passionate team, when you consider how many Kiwi’s are taking the easy option to a bigger paycheck and international honors it’s no surprise the Wallaby jersey has trouble bringing out any passion in some of the players.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:27am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
bit harsh kuruki – i have dual citizenship and i’m proud to be both . lots of kiwi’s have gone overseas and pulled on other national colours but i bet they still support nz when watching sports. nz has just as many world citizens as any nation
June 1st 2012 @ 10:41am
Kuruki said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
May be harsh but it’s true. State of Origin will become a farce also with every Kiwi that pulls on a Maroon or Blue jumper. Today money rules everything and allot of Kiwi teens will be chasing an easier pathway to bigger money in the Green and Gold. This has come about due to this obviously being labeled acceptable by many here. You can’t on one hand support it then ignore the truth about the consequences when you do not like what you hear.
June 1st 2012 @ 10:48am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
each to their own. i’m not gonna condem a bro just because he goes to play for another country. his families gotta eat. u cant eat loyalty
June 2nd 2012 @ 8:22am
all7days said | June 2nd 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
@Mania
Exactly!
June 2nd 2012 @ 1:27pm
Ash said | June 2nd 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
How many Aussie born players currently play for the kiwi’s? I think at last count there were 8 or 9?
June 2nd 2012 @ 1:38pm
Jerry said | June 2nd 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
About the same amount as Kiwi born players in the Wallabies…
June 2nd 2012 @ 2:07pm
Jerry said | June 2nd 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Though at least the NZ born Wallabies live there.
June 1st 2012 @ 6:48pm
Sage said | June 1st 2012 @ 6:48pm | Report comment
Yawn
June 1st 2012 @ 4:18pm
Magic Sponge said | June 1st 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
A kiwi taking the moral high ground regarding importing players from another country, classic.
I’m sure if Quade “turned his back on his country” to play for, say, Argentina, he wouldn’t have copped the flak he did. Besides, the number of kiwi’s in the Wallabies is proportionate to the number of kiwi’s walking around Sydney and Brisbane. What are we supposed to do? Welcome kiwi’s in droves each year but them representing the country they’ve chosen to call home is strictly off limits?
June 1st 2012 @ 7:46am
Jerry said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
“I say, Algernon, those rotter NZ fans are booing that dashing young savage we acquired to play fly half! I was so appalled my monocle fell out and landed in my Pimms!”
Seriously, Aussie fans, get a grip.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:13am
Ben S said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
You know, I’m thinking of names for a new puppy and you’ve just thrown Algernon in my lap…
June 1st 2012 @ 11:39am
Brett McKay said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
The Roar – providing new puppy names since 2012…
June 1st 2012 @ 9:01pm
Ben S said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:01pm | Report comment
Blue French bulldog. Feel free to contribute Brett. I’m angling for Pierre or Claude, but obviously the winning vote doesn’t go to me… I don’t wear the trousers even in the Winter time.
Err…Anyway, back to the manly rugby… Keep it up, Quade!
June 1st 2012 @ 8:19am
katzilla said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Wouldn’t have been like that at Eastern Suburbs SFS old bean!
We’d have turfed those lower class ruffians out on their behinds wut wut!
June 1st 2012 @ 9:53pm
Sage said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
Monacle…….. Really ? Jerry I think you’ve already got too hard a grip.
June 1st 2012 @ 7:58am
Fog said | June 1st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
I think you are being a bit trainspotterish and pettifogging Spiro if the only definitions of great are the stats book and winning the world cup. Brian O’Driscoll is never going to win a world cup but anyone who has seen him play even in a losing team knows they were watching a great player. Ditto Serge Blanco. Nor does it look like Dan Carter will win a world cup but he gets into the great category with ease. I have seen Fox, Lynagh, Stransky and Wilkinson play live. None came close to driving an international backline like Carlos Spencer. While you might focus on the 2003 semi in Sydney I also remember the Tri-Nations games that year in which the All Black backline played out of this world against both the Wallabies and the Boks. And the four Super finals with three wins not to mention three out of three Bledisloe series. I also remember the 2003 test against England in Wellington. Spencer was the best player on the field that day by a considerable margin but Wilkinson kicked the goals as England played as little rugby as possible on their way to victory. Teams and players can be excellent at their craft – like the Bulls and the Stormers in this years super rugby – but I wouldn’t walk across the road to watch them play. Spencer, Carter and Mark Ella on the other hand……….
Cooper might be lucky and/or smart and achieve at the same level. So far it doesn’t look like he has the judgement to do so but I am going to enjoy watching simply because of the talent and skill he will use in his quest. Forget about the record books, Spiro, enjoy the supremely talented when they are around. That’s what keeps us coming back to watch. It’s a game, not an exercise in accounting.
June 1st 2012 @ 8:41am
Moaman said | June 1st 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Good to hear someone go into bat for Carlos Spencer occasionally.Retrospective history seems to overlook all the good qualities he possessed and which,it must be remembered,earnt him 35 Test caps.Had Mehrtens not emerged,Spencer may have played quite a few more too.
This article seems designed to allow all the Rednecks to emerge from their lairs and revive the tired arguments that raged last year,again. The point that a more mature QC might emerge is probably wishful thinking;his taunting posture and the end of the Brumbies game looked rather similar to the Cooper who told the NZ public he enjoyed the booing.I hope the QC that played so well for the Reds returns and not the twit who played for the Wallabies.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:03am
Justin2 said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Agreed, he is often, mainly from lazy people who are ignorant, denigrated. Mainly because of the 03 semi and particularly the intercept.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:11am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
really moaman – carlos sucked. mehrtens was always the better player
June 1st 2012 @ 9:18am
Moaman said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Spencer was unorthodox Mania and that didn’t go down too well(pun intended btw) in some quarters.Mehrtens offered more-especially to those with a dicky heart
I play a bit of social soccer these days…and everytime i knee the ball i think of CS!
June 1st 2012 @ 9:21am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
moaman – dont remind me about carlos attempts at andrewJohns banana kicks. they were abysmal.
carlos had a bag of tricks but didnt do the basics well so had nothing to fall back on when his bag ran empty. was a great player though when things went his way.
read larkhams book and he stated that they knocked out the AB’s in the 2003 WC solely because they targetted carlos.
carlos was a good player tho, just mehrtens was better imho
June 1st 2012 @ 10:57am
ohtani's jacket said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Spencer did everything he could in that World Cup semi. It was our forwards that got smashed all match long. Spencer’s biggest problem was that he couldn’t kick field goals.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:00am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
OJ – wasnt carlos the one that injured tana in the argentina game?
spencer choked the backline in that game. usually he would’ve been more level headed. what he should’ve done was get the HB to skip pass himself and pass it straight to mauger or put short kicks behind the attacking line to stop them from rushing up on him. carlos was being targetted and AB’s should’ve used that to their advantage.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:12am
ohtani's jacket said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Our forwards let Spencer get targeted, though. Our backrow was poor and couldn’t match the double openside tactics Australia employed. Collins wasn’t a No. 8 and we were screaming out for a tougher blindside, though I will say Thorne was exceptionally good in the Eden Park match where we won back the Bledisloe. It wasn’t just Spencer getting targeted either. Marshall got smashed as well. It was actually pretty similar to the tactics we used against the Aussies in the semi last year, putting pressure on the halves. Spencer probably could have played differently, but you can always say that in hindsight. Spencer had been excellent the week before against the Boks and I think everyone was expecting a repeat performance.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:16am
ohtani's jacket said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Oh, and the Tana injury was against Italy. It was a collison with Spencer, who also injured his knee and was in doubt for a while. I don’t remember whose fault it was if anyone’s.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:23am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
it was carlos because he was running sideways got hit and crashed into tana.
carlos is a great player but he didnt do the basics well. i tell all the kids i coach that when nothing is working or going your way to go back to the basics and start again. carlos skipped that lesson and went straight to being brilliant.
June 1st 2012 @ 11:26am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
OJ – this line of blogging is just going to lead to me cursing ever having deans and mithcells as coaches. lets stop here an not ruin a beautiful friday
June 3rd 2012 @ 9:01am
tommymonsternz said | June 3rd 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
spencer was the best super 14 player ever, but he often played rubbish for the all blacks. way too many mistakes and bad decision, followed up by something rather special. you can’t have a guy like that running an international back line…..unless you want patchy performances. easy choice in my mind. take dc or mehrtz wilth a great performance every game, communication and directing the play well…with a few booboos thrown in over a long period of time.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:21am
nickoldschool said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Carlos Spencer is the most exciting Super Rugby player i have seen. Am not saying he was the best or that he achieved the most at SR or international level etc, but he epitomized what SR was all about in my then european mind: flair, always playing a positive/attacking rugby, enjoying himself on the field etc. Never got why many keep bagging the bloke.
June 1st 2012 @ 9:23am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
credit where credit is due NOS – carlos was definately all that. he clearly loved the game and relished playing
June 1st 2012 @ 10:07am
mania said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
NOS – but i’d say that cullen was the most exciting Super Rugby player of that era.
June 1st 2012 @ 12:57pm
nickoldschool said | June 1st 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
fair enough. Cullen, Spencer, Caucaunibuca, Rokocoko, Howlett etc, plenty to choose from. I know its hard to compare eras, now and then etc, but am with Jutsie re the 2003-2005 years. The Blues in particular had such a backline!
June 1st 2012 @ 10:30am
Jutsie said | June 1st 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
I love watching the foxtel replays of the blues matches from i think 2003 or 2004. I’ll always remember the try at the end of a blues vs crusaders games where he ran it from his own try line. Reminds me of when cooper did a kick pass to ioane inside the try area, crazy stuff but so exciting to watch