Brumbies form helped by draw
By Ewen W, 3 Jun 2012 Ewen W is a Roar Pro
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I am a parochial beast. Being the baby brother of the Waratahs makes every Brumbies supporter one. So it hurts when I say the Brumbies success this season may be undeserved, especially after the result against the Reds.
That is not to say Jake White and his coaching staff haven’t done wonders with the youngest squad in the competition. Rather, the Brumbies draw has been extremely advantageous compared to the other sides in the Australian conference.
The Super season is long, stretching from February to August. So, to ensure that it doesn’t become any longer, each team only plays four sides from the other two conferences. In the Brumbies case, they avoid playing the Stormers and Crusaders – two of the leading contenders for the title.
On the other hand, the Reds avoid playing the Cheetahs and the Hurricanes. While there would be a guaranteed five points from these two games for the Reds (assuming a four try victory against the Cheetahs), no points could be guaranteed in the two games the Brumbies avoided.
The Super competition is not alone in their scheduling mismatch.
NRL teams either play each other once or twice, while NFL teams, in the US, miss playing teams entirely. These mismatches are down to practical realities of large sporting competitions. The season is not long enough to fill in every possible game and sometimes games need to be forgone in order to fit within the allotted timeframe.
This season the Brumbies have been fortunate to miss two tough teams and the Reds have been unfortunate to miss some easier ones. That being said, the Super competition is beginning to get to the point where one team can beat another on any given day, with the odd exception.
Because of these mismatches, and the Reds’ victory over the Brumbies last weekend, the cynic could argue that the achievements of the young Brumbies are unrepresentative. Any success they might have is tainted because they haven’t played the Crusaders and Stormers and they have lost to the Sharks, Chiefs and Bulls. However this argument neglects three points.
Firstly, the losses to the Sharks, Chiefs and Bulls were all within seven points and the team from the ACT earned four bonus points in these three losses. If the Brumbies truly were beneath these sides they should have been blown out of the water.
Secondly, although it’s a sporting cliché, it’s true that a champion team do make their own luck. In the American NFL conference system some teams don’t meet at all during the regular season, yet every year the same teams emerge during the finals.
This is because it doesn’t matter who you play – a successful team will always win. It’s true the Brumbies have lucked out, avoiding the Stormers and Crusaders but they’ve beaten teams the Reds haven’t (Force) and come closer to others (Bulls). At this stage they deserve to still be on top of the Australian conference.
Thirdly, at the start of the season pundits predicated, quite rightly, the Brumbies would be in the group of also-rans. They had Jake White but changes wouldn’t happen until at least the third year of his tenure. Unfortunately they kept on winning and, despite the loss to the Reds, they might make the finals for the first time in eight years.
Regardless of which teams they have missed out on playing, this young outfit should be applauded for proving everyone, including this parochial beast, wrong.
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June 3rd 2012 @ 6:22am
Johnno said | June 3rd 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
Brumbies, Reds, Sharks, stormers, have good draws on the run home.
June 3rd 2012 @ 7:29am
formeropenside said | June 3rd 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Its a shame this occurs when the race for the top of the Oz conference is so close.
June 3rd 2012 @ 7:32am
Red Kev said | June 3rd 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
It honestly doesn’t matter, the best team still wins the competition overall. For mine it shows good team awareness when they take full advantage of “easier” draws in any given season. A good draw is wasted if you don’t take advantage of it, credit to the Brumbies for making sure they make the finals earlier than we all thought they could/would.
June 3rd 2012 @ 7:54am
sittingbison said | June 3rd 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
We play three teams from each overseas conference. Your argument MIGHT have some validity if Brums missed say Bulls/Stormers and Crusaders/Chiefs, and Reds missed Lions/Cheetahs and Blues/Canes, but in fact the only worthwhile statement is that the competition is evening out and any team can beat any other. I don’t think missing the Cheetahs and Canes is doing the Reds any flavours, and it’s ludicrous to state these would be bonus point wins. Both teams have played exceptional attacking rugby this year, including Canes demolishing Tahs last night in Sydney, Lions beat Shorks, and bless them Blues beat Bulls earlier in their lamentable season.
It is also a bit disingenuous to say the Brums beat Force but Reds did not, and Brums had a series of close losses. News flash, Brumbies only beat Force by 2 points at home, and have to play them again, Reds lost second game to Force after devastating road trip and string of crucial injuries to playmakers. Don’t for one second believe the Brumbies have an automatic win over the Force in Perth in the bag.
Each team has close losses, Force is infamous for them, and look at Tahs this year. Whatif is a nice conversation for the pub.
Yes we should delight in Brumbies being unexpected finals contenders and not a basket case, but that is all, no point in bringing outside considerations ibeyond their control nto play like the draw, just concentrate on what they have done to achieve their position.
June 3rd 2012 @ 8:14am
Jerry said | June 3rd 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
“Canes”
Ahem…..
June 3rd 2012 @ 8:50am
sittingbison said | June 3rd 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Sorry you lost me Jerry. Shortening hurricanes? Or mentioning them in same breath as blues?
If latter I did say reds missing hurricanes was not doing reds any flavours (or cheetahs for that matter), I would tip both capable of beating reds.
The real point is I am tired of presumptions espoused here that lower ranked teams are pushovers and worth a bonus point win. Force beat reds, rebels beat crusaders, lions beat sharks etc no game is in the bag
June 3rd 2012 @ 9:19am
Jerry said | June 3rd 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Yeah, I was just being bolshy.
June 3rd 2012 @ 11:31am
PeterK said | June 3rd 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
you play 4 teams in each oversea conference not 3. Brumbies had by far the easiest draw from aussie teams.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:19am
apelu said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
You cannot get over your hatred of the Brumbies, eh Peter K? The Tahs need some help; they might benefit from a bit of your wisdom.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:57am
PeterK said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
no hatred whatsoever, just like to dispell overhyping. I loved the brumbies 1998-2003, style of play etc.
Even now I have nothing against the brumbies per sae, just the fans are over the top. I am being factual and realistic.
June 3rd 2012 @ 8:03am
Emric said | June 3rd 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
They have earned the right be happy
June 3rd 2012 @ 9:21am
bear said | June 3rd 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Haven’t we heard this argument before with the Reds last year. At the end of the day, the team that wins the title deserved the title.
June 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm
Emric said | June 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
I’m a New Zealander, and Hurricanes supporter. The reds earned their victory last year they were the best team that played the best rugby and won the day. The Brumbies have rebuilt their team and at this rate will represent Australia alone in the finals they also have earned it be happy.
June 4th 2012 @ 12:25pm
formeropenside said | June 4th 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
last year the Reds missed Sharks and Clan – two problematic games, but not up there with missing the Cru and Stormers.
The complaints were more that the Reds got to play the Blues and Cru at home (forgetting they had to play the Stormers away) and also that the Crusaders had an earthquake (true).
June 3rd 2012 @ 10:23am
Bakkies said | June 3rd 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
”On the other hand, the Reds avoid playing the Cheetahs and the Hurricanes. While there would be a guaranteed five points from these two games for the Reds (assuming a four try victory against the Cheetahs), no points could be guaranteed in the two games the Brumbies avoided.”
The Canes I am not sure about that particularly if the match was played in the wet in Wellington. The Reds would get flogged if they kick the ball down to the Canes back three all game. They are playing the price for poor results in South Africa whereas the Brumbies picked up 7 log points. Don’t forget the Brumbies have lost 2 winable matches at home but balanced this by winning in Melbourne, Wellington and Johannesburg.
The Brumbies played dumb Rugby in both matches against the Reds and only lost by less than 7 points. Jake White didn’t learn his lesson after the game in Brisbane where he left out Hooper. I am not sure if he is playing games with the Reds or over estimating them by being negative. The Reds have never played well against the Brumbies last year they conceded four tries and only won by kicking penalties in their first win against the Brumbies since 1998.
June 3rd 2012 @ 11:35am
PeterK said | June 3rd 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Brumbies have had the easiest draw. Reds beat them twice at home and away.
Reds are the better team but the reds (almost) hold their future in their own hands with the sharks loss. They are 1 point behind the top 6 so if they win all their games then bonus points decide it. If they are good enough they will make it.
Brumbies struggled badly against a weak rebels team (no jOc or beale) , they have no chance in the finals if they make it.
June 3rd 2012 @ 12:21pm
Dasher said | June 3rd 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
The Brumbies deserve to be where they are. Sure they don’t play the Stormers and Crusaders, but they did play the Chiefs and Bulls away, and were great in both games. They went down to the Chiefs in the final moments and were absolutely robbed in the Bulls game. By logical extension, you could say they would have performed just as well against the Stormers and Crusaders.
I worry the Reds have left their charge too late. Those losses to the Sharks and Force will come back to haunt them. With the Sharks, Bulls, Hurricanes, Highlanders above them, it’ll take some favourable results from those teams’ games if the Reds are to make it.
I’m still praying for both the Reds and Brumbies to make the finals. I think both could perform quite well in the finals.
June 3rd 2012 @ 3:16pm
PeterK said | June 3rd 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
I agree they would go just as well against Stormers and Crusaders they would lose both the games like they did Bulls and Chiefs.
June 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm
Dan said | June 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Bakkies and Peter K Seriously fellas your talking trash, Brunbies have been easily the most imprerssive team in the Ozzy conferance Reds are being over rated because they did the impossible last year.
Brumbys lost to the Bulls by two points in the “highveldt” 5 tries over in SA to the homes sides 2 the BULLS won with a extremley biased SA ref giving penalties to the bulls will nilly i think the count was 17 against the brumbies, 9 to the Bulls.
This was the game where there was a serious knock on to the point most players pulled up awaiting the call when it didnt happen Styne regathered and 10 second later more points for the home side that should not have been and basically took the game from the deserving/absolutley dominant side of the day.
Only the ref and Synes Boot beat then this day at this time the Bulls were top.
Brumbies will rise to the occasion!!! dont look to much into the Rebels game they proved they can beat anyone the other week or have we already forgotten that??!!(they are an excellent attacking team at home just Lack defence.)
And yes sittingbison the Force v Brumbys is in the bag with a bonus point Ill put a hunjie on it!!!
June 3rd 2012 @ 4:34pm
sittingbison said | June 3rd 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
Just so Dan, those five points will lift Force to third hehe %)
June 3rd 2012 @ 7:12pm
Dan said | June 3rd 2012 @ 7:12pm | Report comment
nice one mate dont get me wrong I am a believer that any body can beat anybody on their day it has be proven more than a couple of times this year.
But the Force are stagnent alot like the warratahs, consider this on paper the Blues and the Waratahs should be dicing most opposition but their not.
The remember its not the strongest or even the most intelligent that survive the test of time its the clan/team/race that adapts to the new envioroment/challenges and embraces them, quite simply the Waratahs, Force and Blues are playing so predictible other teams know what they are doing before they do…
The Brumbies are holding their cards close to the chest and will be a serious threat as they have adapted to the new challenges and are punching well above there weight the exact opposite of the tahs and the blues.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:03am
formeropenside said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Thats the same Brumbies that has lost twice now to the “over-rated” Reds?
June 4th 2012 @ 5:40pm
Dan said | June 4th 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
yes mate the same Reds that beat the Brumbies for the first time at Suncorp this year ever!!! look at the history between these teams champ.
I think its 12 to 2 and yes thoose 2 came this year….
The one point victory mate could of gone either way and the first game was hardly convincing..
Yes the Reds that got a 52 point drubbing in SA by the sharks who just got beat by the lions LOL.
Being a former openside i can see that you played a little longer than you should have few knocks to the head hey big boy???
June 3rd 2012 @ 1:03pm
Jerry said | June 3rd 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Reds had an easier draw last year – it’s swings and roundabouts and unavoidable given the structure of the season where all teams don’t play each other (which is annoying). Except the Reds were also the best team last year, and if the Brumbies can win the comp more power to them. You make your own luck after all.
June 3rd 2012 @ 4:44pm
Johnno said | June 3rd 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
The stormers beating the bulls did all the other theam a favour in the log jam for the 3 woid card finals spots.
Chiefs,stormers, brumbies all 3 are basically home and hosed. But the other 3 spots will be exciting.