How to finally settle rugby’s hemisphere debate?
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Equator (noun): An imaginary line drawn around the earth equally distant from both poles, dividing the earth into northern and southern hemispheres. Dividing is indeed the word that comes to mind.
There is definitely one question that divides rugby union fans around the world. For as long as anyone remembers, this has been the question that will spur the fiercest of debates. And as every rugby fan knows, the equator does not only split the world in half geographically, but the rugby union world emphatically.
Or maybe I’m just slightly exaggerating it.
Nonetheless, the question is “Which hemisphere is better at rugby?”
There is only one way it can be settled. A Northern Hemisphere versus Southern Hemisphere match, the match to end years and years of debate.
Although many antipodeans will obviously point to the SANZAR nations’ stranglehold on the top three world rankings, the British and Irish Lions are not exactly regarded as a weak outfit. Throw the the likes of France and Italy in the mix (some may scoff at this reference to Italy, but I assume not many would scoff to Sergio Parisse’s face) and you have one hell of a side in prospect.
Likewise, a combination of the Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Argentina teams would be just as devastating. Can one imagine a backline of Ma’a Nonu, Digby Ioane and Francois Steyn facing up against Manu Tuilagi, Brian O’Driscoll and Vincent Clerc? My god.
This would be a rivalry that stems not only from geographical lines, but completely different rugby ideologies about how the game should be played. The flashy and slick running style of the South juxtaposed against the gritty and brutal physicality of the North.
Or maybe I am, yet again, making too much of this.
Despite its potential to be the most mouthwatering of rugby feasts, it just hasn’t happened yet. Why not? Some point to the congestion of the rugby calendar, and some point to the lack of interest. Yes, some will also say that there was already a SH versus NH match in 2005 for the tsunami charity. I’m not quite sure that it counts, though.
Still, I do believe that if this match were ever to happen it would be an absolute blockbuster.
I realise that I’m obviously not the first on The Roar to write about the North-South divide, and definitely not the last, but the question of which hemisphere holds superiority is one that just needs to be answered.
My question for the meantime, however, is who would be in your Southern Hemisphere or Northern Hemisphere XV?
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June 4th 2012 @ 8:22am
KiwiCuzzy said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
The NH hemisphere is the best without a doubt.
I love your comparison of players, but wasn’t Vincent Clerc the little girl who started crying after a good tackle in the WC?
I was thinking more of Sonny Bill-Williams v Jamie Roberts Ma’a Nonu v Man united Tuiilagi James O’Connor v Benn Robinson on the wing. The latter was a joke.
But seriously, it has nothing to do with the World Calendar. It could just be a simple one -off match near christmas, when everyones off. They play at a neutral venue exactly on the equator. The State of Spheres.
They each contribute a quarter of their paycheck, on top of the money made through the game. The losing side has to pay double, so essentially half of their paycheck. This will increase the competitiveness. All this money could go towards starvation in Africa or something.
When they (rugby players) have the power and influence like they do, why not use it?
June 4th 2012 @ 9:11am
Colin N said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
“But seriously, it has nothing to do with the World Calendar. It could just be a simple one -off match near christmas, when everyones off.”
Nope. All leagues in the NH play before and through Christmas. In fact, some teams in England were playing on the 27th Dec and the 31st, which is physically incredibly demanding. I think it might have been the same with some Rabo teams as well.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:41am
sixo_clock said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
You have Jake White in your corner, nice move.
League has something along those lines with an annual club match but because the seasons are so diametrically opposed it has been difficult for one side to be match fit. The answer is in the number of Webb Ellis’ won as everyone gears up for these, coddles vital players and peaks at the same time. Also team dynamics require time to build and a showcase talent-fest would not do the players justice nor the game (see the Ba-Bas).
One idea: we could have this game during the WC for the bronze medal made up from players not selected in the final.
June 4th 2012 @ 9:09am
Rugby Fan said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
I’m not in love with the idea of a North vs South match.
The Lions still work as a concept because there’s decades of history give to the players a sense of what’s at stake. There’s also some time and resources needed them even minimally prepared. More importantly, they play settled national sides, where that’s a given, and it’s usually a best-of-three series, which means luck on the day is less of a factor.
I can see the attraction of something like a Heineken Cup winner versus Super Rugby Champion match-up but that faces scheduling problems, along with ensuring that the players who won their respective championships are still around for the contest. Football has the Europe vs South America club championship but few fans of the sport really care about the title. SImilarly, League’s World Club Challenge isn’t regarded as a definitive competition.
Certainly, any new idea can’t arrive fully vested with history but there has to be something at stake, otherwise it’s no more than an exhibition match. The professional era has raised expectations for team preparation. Selecting two fifteens who have never played with each other, and hoping they’ll produce something meaningful sounds like a long shot.
One of the attractions of sport for me is that you don’t get definitive answers to all the questions you feel like asking. England’s World Cup team of 2003 played the All Blacks only once in New Zealand during their peak years. Could they have won a series over there? Maybe, but the schedule didn’t allow for it at the time, so we’ll never know.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:34am
Jerry said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
“Nonetheless, the question is “Which hemisphere is better at rugby?”
And the answer is “The SH” for anyone with half a brain and any ability to reason.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:29am
redsnut said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
IMHO, each hemisphere plays the type of rugby that suits its climate.
So it depends on your preference – running rugby in a (generally) warmer and drier, or dour forward battles in the cold and wet.
June 4th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Emric said | June 4th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
I’ve wanted to see the final match of the lions tour to be the Lions V ANZACs at SFS at least our tahs supporters would get to see some good free flowing running rugby
June 4th 2012 @ 1:42pm
KiwiDave said | June 4th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
They did get to see some good free flowing rugby. From the Hurricanes who smacked you last weekend
June 5th 2012 @ 12:05am
Rob from Brumby Country said | June 5th 2012 @ 12:05am | Report comment
Right now, an ANZAC team would just increase the All Blacks workload. Not a single Wallaby would make the cut, not even for the bench.
Well, hold on, maybe I’m jumping the gun. Dave Pocock might make the side… Possibly. Or eeeeeven Digby…?
June 4th 2012 @ 12:55pm
B-Rock said | June 4th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Unfortunately the players dont care about SH vs NH as much as the fans do.
Any attempt to bring this in will result in a 7s style game where defense is token at best, injury avoidance is the major focus and players laughing and joking with the opposition at the expense of quality rugby.
Id love to see a fixture like this if played with intenisty, pride and integrity. If, as I suspect, it deteriorates into touch footy, fans will quickly grow tired of it.
June 4th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Rusty said | June 4th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Ok I will bite…who will be in the NH lineup playing against the All Blacks?
If I had to pick a SH squad there would probably be zero representation from Argentina, 1-2 from South Africa and maybe 2-3 from Australia. Admittedly not seeing much of the Argentine players hasnt helped but here it is
1. Franks
2. du Plessis
3. Franks
4. Ezbeth
5. Whitelock
6. McCaw
7. Pocock
8. Read
9. Genia
10. Carter
11. Guildford
12. SBW
13. Smith
14. Ioane
15. Dagg
June 4th 2012 @ 3:38pm
KiwiDave said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
I would take Beale at 15 over Dagg.
June 4th 2012 @ 6:06pm
Ivan said | June 4th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
Francois Hougaard over Genia, Frans Steyn over SBW at 12, SBW to 13. Beale at 15.
The obvious factor in who is better, is the amount of World cups won.
SH – 6
NH – 1
June 4th 2012 @ 10:35pm
kiwi said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
Has to be Woodcock @1
Agree with loosies
Agree with Genia @9
Nonu @12
Habana waaay over Guildford @11 (You’re dreaming there!)
Dagg or Beale @15 – would struggle to pick between them
Great team!!!
June 4th 2012 @ 11:09pm
Ivan said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:09pm | Report comment
i dont rate genia, plays well when reds pack dominating, doesnt really have the same spark as a francois hougaard. not as fast, not as powerful. Id rather put hougaard at 9, or fourie du preez when hes fit.
Woodcock at 1, yes perhaps.
Frans Steyn at 12 surely. Long range goal kicking and defensive kicking abilities.
Sonny bill perhaps to 13.
Nonu has never impressed me. makes about 3 high tackles per game. easy to predict.
Id rather take Beale over Dagg.
Habana seems to be finding form again… defensively far stronger than guildford.
June 5th 2012 @ 8:20am
Rusty said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Woodcock is done – Franks is way out front nowadays
I think SBW brings more to the table than Nonu who isnt doing much for his chances at the Blues
Habana is very good but I think Guildford is a better positional player and he also passes when he should instead of just trying to make the play himself…. on second thoughts I would put Francois Hougaard at wing, he pops up everywhere, is great at link play and can keep the ball moving at ruck time as a 2nd halfback
Beale to 15 then
June 4th 2012 @ 1:02pm
B-Rock said | June 4th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Also – if this game was played seriously, the SH would walk it in against the NH unless it was a completely sodden track, where the SH would win in a tight match given the ABs/Boks forward dominance
Unfortunately, you would only see 2 or 3 Australian players in the hypothetical SH XV I suspect… Genia, Digby, JOC, thinking, thinking… maybes: KB, Pocock, Moore… wow, thats actually really depressing that the WBs have so few SH/World XV players running around.
June 4th 2012 @ 1:11pm
KiwiDave said | June 4th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
They did have a NH vs SH match a while back. SH won by around 40 if I recall right.
June 4th 2012 @ 1:31pm
Rusty said | June 4th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
yeah – it was the Tsunami charity match played at Twickenham . Bit of digging and it was 19-54 to the South. Team lineups..
North Squad
L Dallaglio (ENG) – B Cohen (ENG) – A Rougerie (FRA) – D Traille (FRA) – F Pelous (FRA)
R Ibanez (FRA) – P de Villiers (FRA) – B O’Driscoll (IRE, capt) – P O’Connell (IRE)
D Humphreys (IRE) – C Paterson (SCO) – C Cusiter (SCO) – G Bullock (SCO) – S Taylor (SCO)
A Lo Cicero (ITA) – M Bortolami (ITA) – S Parisse (ITA) – D Peel (WAL) – C Sweeney (WAL)
J Thomas (WAL) – R Williams (WAL) – J Yapp (WAL)
South Squad
Chris Latham (AUS) – Rupeni Caucaunibuca (FJI) – Jacque Fourie (SA) – Tana Umaga (NZ)
Sireli Bobo (FJI) – Andrew Mehrtens (NZ) – George Gregan (AUS, capt) – Toutai Kefu (AUS)
Phil Waugh (AUS) – Schalk Burger (SA) – Ifereimi Rawaqa (FJI) – Victor Matfield (SA)
Kobus Visagie (SA) – John Smit (SA) – Carl Hoeft (NZ)