Time for Manu Vatuvei to go
By MG Burbank, 4 Jun 2012 MG Burbank is a Roar Guru
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Manu Vatuvei scores a try for the Warriors (AAP Image/Action Photographics/Renee McKay)
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The two rugby codes have never been further apart. With this in mind, Brian McClennan must send Manu Vatuvei down to NSW Cup or over to the 15-a-side game.
Rewind to the Warriors’ entertaining struggle with the Storm in Auckland on Sunday. Melbourne led 16-12 in a match very much still to be decided.
The Warriors were bringing the ball out of their territory when Vatuvei received a pass in the middle of the field. Spotting some room to move on the left edge, he swerved to the outside of Storm winger Justin O’Neill and headed for what seemed to be open space.
The problem with his choice was that he’d already attempted this earlier in the contest, coughing up cheap possession against a team primed to capitalise on any mistake.
Justin O’Neill is one of the fastest players in the game; the first time round, he’d run the big man down easily and the Storm had regained possession.
Back to the play at hand. There’s six minutes left, the game is still to be decided and once again Manu looks up and sees 10 metres of open space in front of him.
Surely he knows that Melbourne are compressing deliberately. Surely he knows that they will slide and the faster man will push him out of play. Surely he understands that there’s plenty of time and more tackles left in the count.
Not a chance. He tries to beat O’Neill, quickly gets run down and pushed toward the sideline, forcing him to throw a desperate pass infield. Billy Slater gets his hands on the ball and seconds later Cameron Smith seals victory.
Anyone who follows the game knows that in rugby league, possession is paramount. Errors prove costly against quality opposition, unlike in rugby with its frequent changes of possession and contests for the ball.
The Warriors, in spite of a decent performance against the Storm, have not been able to shed their more rugby-centric style of play. They chance their arm with low percentage plays and lack remorse when they give the other team field position and opportunities to score.
Unfortunately, their defence also adheres to rugby standards: one-on-one misses and not enough commitment in pushing off their line for an entire game. They pushed the Storm hard on the weekend – imagine what may be possible were they able to reduce their error rate.
The first step is to relieve Manu Vatuvei of his duties. He’s had a good career but is now a liability. With Kevin Locke returning shortly, McClellan can move his young attacking weapon Glen Fisiiahi onto the wing, keeping him in first grade.
The tension between being expansive in attack and retaining discipline with the ball is always a delicate puzzle to solve for coaches and their teams. The great sides find the sweet spot on a consistent basis in the games that matter, usually with the most intelligent and expert coaches guiding them.
It’s no small feat. The last thing any team needs is players who aren’t willing to commit their minds to the cause.
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June 4th 2012 @ 8:04am
Andrew Marmont said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Are you kidding? Vatuvei has played 20 Test matches for the Kiwis and is an incumbent winger for the side, as well as scoring almost 100 NRL tries in 130-odd matches. He is still a young man at 26. I am sick of people focusing on his errors or perceived liabilities. Sorry buddy but I disagree with you here. Locke is still getting over his injuries is probably another 2 weeks away anyhow.
June 4th 2012 @ 9:22am
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
He’s had a good career. He’s also now a liability. Time to go.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:28am
mark melville said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
you cant drop someone cause of one play, it was the other players fault for not backing him up, fish johnson should of been rite there. hes the most devastating winger in the comp, i dont think you relies how much thos kick returns up
June 4th 2012 @ 2:58pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
This is not one play Mark. He has been making unforced errors every game this year, costing his team and halting momentum. He doesn’t provide nearly enough in attack to justify his inclusion in the team.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:08pm
Sea Eagle of Brisbane said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:08pm | Report comment
100% agree with MG, Vatuvei is the worst defender of any NRL backline. His soapy fingers affected 2 tries 2 weeks ago against the Tigers. The bloke is a real Circus, signals the Crowd that he is the God, but destroys it minutes later. Big, but useless guy, need better coaching/attitude otherwise he’ll be history. One just cannot live in the past forever.
June 5th 2012 @ 2:26pm
Tommygun said | June 5th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Poor ol Manu needs to go or be dropped to NSW cup at least.
The more time Fish gets in 1st grade the better. Absolute weapon.
Manu has always been a rocks and diamonds type player; haven’t seen the diamonds in a long, long time.
Although, as i’m not a Warriors supporter it is alot of fun to watch him due to sheer unpredictability.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:06am
Andrew Marmont said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
and spell McClennan right too
June 4th 2012 @ 8:11am
jamesb said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
I actually think its time Manu got shifted to the backrow, similar to what T-Rex did at Manly, where he shifted from the wing to the backrow with great success.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:19am
rl said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
+ 1
June 4th 2012 @ 8:17am
Brett McKay said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Exactly how would an NRL coach “send” a player (in any kind of form, nevermind underperforming) “over to the 15-a-side game”??
And what makes you think holding onto possession in a contest is less important in rugby, MG?
By all means, make your point about Vatuvei’s frailties, but leave the cross-code snipes out of it, thanks all the same..
June 4th 2012 @ 9:22am
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Um… I may have been kidding about sending him to rugby, Brett. Time to add a sense of humor to your repertoire.
June 4th 2012 @ 9:30am
Brett McKay said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
My mistake, you’re obviously some kind of super master comedian with cystal-clear delivery like that. I’ll remember not to take anything of yours seriously from here on..
June 4th 2012 @ 10:20am
Cliff said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Yeah – the first sentence of the article doesn’t even make sense.
June 4th 2012 @ 3:00pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
You need to read the entire article, Cliff.
June 4th 2012 @ 3:00pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Why so hostile Brett? Not very constructive, especially considering the fact that dropping Manu Vatuvei is not an outlandish idea. Michael Jennings was recently dropped for ill discipline and poor form. And if you’re alleging that defense in Rugby, especially man on man, is equal to league then your ‘expert’ status must come into question.
June 4th 2012 @ 3:18pm
Emric said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
or perhaps yours requires looking at. I’ve played both games and League defense is a lot easier to crack – and except for the shoulder charge which has been outlawed in union the tackle area is effectively the same.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:30pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
Ermic,
The defence in league and union is not the same. It’s far tougher and more technical in league because the 10 metre rule and play-the-ball system opens up a lot of space for the inside backs and outside backs,which, in turn, allows them to execute complex attacking football raids that are virtuallly unseen in union.
Scrumhalves and flyhalves in union have limited attacking skills because they have to worry about ball retention at the breakdown, and, have very little room to create anything for their centres. It’s hard to draw a defender out of the line when there’s only about 2 or 3 metres to work with, while receiving the ball from a standing position more often than not (as opposed to running onto it at full speed).
The outside backs in rugby league tend to be fitter, better defenders, more agile, stronger and more intelligent than their union counterparts because the game allows them the time and space to do all sorts of things that are rarely available in union. When the rugby league centres come one-on-one with a defender they are better equipped to evade him because they’re confronted with the situation more often. Practice makes perfect.
Halfbacks and five-eighthes in rugby league learn the art of sucking defenders in and pushing them out to create space for their centres and themselves, respectively, because they have the time and space to do it regularly. Flyhalves just stand there and kick 95% of the time when they get the ball because the lack of time and space, coupled with the burden of not getting stranded because it’ll usually learn to the other team winning position, leaves them with no other option.
Rugby union scrumhalves and flyhalves don’t know how to use a dummy pass to its full potential because they rarely have the space and room to try it. They don’t know how to play direct — to draw a defender in when running at the line — because they don’t usually have the room to do it. They don’t know when to tactically pass short or pass long because the game rarely give them enough room and time to do it. The halfbacks and flyhalves in rugby league routinely mix their game up by running at the line, dummying to decoys, altering their line while dummying to draw defenders in, excecuting complex attacking kicks that most rugby union flyhalves/scrumhalves have never even heard of, etc.
Defence is so poor in rugby union that every major rugby union country has employed second-rate rugby league players to teach their players how to tackle since 1995. These guys were never great defenders in rugby league, but they come across as Gods to rugby union players because defence has always poor in union. There’s just not much skill required when you only have to tackle some one who is just a couple of metres from you and running from a standing position, without any decoy runners. Rugby league defenders are much tougher and technically sound because they have to face blokes that are running full speed at them over a large area of space, while having to diffuse the situation (IE. figure out who is the intended ball runner and then position themselves they are capable of making a one-on-one tackle, while simulataneously reading their fellow defenders so that they don’t create a gaping hole that the attacking team can exploit.
June 4th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Brett McKay said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Assuming you’re not kidding again, The hostility and cross-code comparisons and allegations are all your doing, MG. I merely asked a simple question after mistaking your apparent humour for a serious point. As I’ve said, I won’t make the same mistake again.
For what it’s worth, dropping an underperforming player makes perfect sense; this is professional sport after all. Sending him to another sport, on the other hand, well that’s hardly constructive at all.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:15pm
Sea Eagle of Brisbane said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:15pm | Report comment
Brett, there is no comedy here. You sound jealous because MG got it right and no matter you are an expert or not, got it WRONG. Vatuvei shall sit it out for few weeks, he is a liability right now.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:41pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:41pm | Report comment
I agree with MG. Vatavei, or whatever his name is, just doesn’t read the game very well. His game has always been about running over the little blokes. It works at junior footy or when running at a retreating defence on the opponent’s line in first grade, but it’s easy to defend against when working the ball off your line. Wingers need to know when the sideline is being used as a defender.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:32am
Mantis said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
To be fair, was hard to tell it was a joke. And i dont think he’d be anything special in union to be honest.
June 4th 2012 @ 10:42pm
Mick said | June 4th 2012 @ 10:42pm | Report comment
Yeah, I agree, it didn’t read as a joke, just a poor throwaway line.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:26am
Brad said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
I wish Will Chambers brought some of committed league defence to the reds.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:45am
Mals said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
I follow both rugby codes & I’ve seen plenty of one on one miss tackles in League & defenders not pushing off the line. Haven’t you watched teams like Parra, Knights, Penrith etc play?!?
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June 4th 2012 @ 3:01pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
This article is about Manu Vatuvei and his worth as a member of the Warriors lineup. If you want to focus on other teams feel free to write your own article.
June 4th 2012 @ 11:44pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 4th 2012 @ 11:44pm | Report comment
Rugby league players do a lot more running over 80 minutes. It’s hard to make tackle after tackle after tackle when you’re constantly running around. There are more than enough stoppages in rugby union to prevent the backs from tiring. If they were put under the same stress as rugby league players endure then they would be making more errors.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:49am
Lowdown said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Please…Vatuvei hardly cost the Warriors the game.
Try blaming the lack of support on his earnest run?
And the turnover from Vatuvei did not go straight to Slater either. Instead it went from Hinchcliffe to Chambers to Slater who still had to beat 3 or 4 tackles before throwing a last gasp pass to a supporting Cam Smith.
As for Fisiahhi…wasn’t he hobbling around the ground with a heavily strapped knee? And you want him to replace Vatuvei next week? Please.
At least Vatuvei has a dig. So did a lot of the team. They are top 8 team for sure – but like last year, they are more fluke than anything else.
June 4th 2012 @ 3:03pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
A ‘dig’ isn’t enough, lowdown. This is the NRL. I could have a dig too, it wouldn’t be worth much. Vatuvei’s run wasn’t ‘earnest’- it was foolish, one of many mistakes he has made in every game this year. Regarding what happened next, you clearly didn’t read the article- I never said the ball went ‘straight to slater’. Nothing close to that. But that try would not have been scored had Manu not lost his marbles and attempted a foolish run down the sideline with plenty of time left.
June 14th 2012 @ 10:46am
micka said | June 14th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Don’t most league followers bemoan the predictibility of the 5 tackles, kick and sprint to the corner that is the status quo in the game.
Maybe Vatuvei was trying something different in breaking early in the set? If he had pulled it off the same people calling for his “dropping to the 2′s” would be hailing him as a genius.
June 4th 2012 @ 8:53am
Meesta Cool said | June 4th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
We will find a home for him!..
June 4th 2012 @ 9:11am
PLANK said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
I am sorry I don’t agree that sending him to 15 a side that is a bit strange however his ball security is terrible. His brain farts have become almost bankable. If you were a coach you would be sending grubber kicks in his direction all day. If I it know every coach in the NRL does. He makes average decisions in defence. Second row could be worth a go but ball security needs improving …
June 4th 2012 @ 3:05pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
My point exactly. I don’t trust him to be any more disciplined as a forward. I was not being literal about ‘sending’ him to rugby.
June 4th 2012 @ 9:17am
steve b said | June 4th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
MG are you serious, or are you in one of those moods where you just feel like annoying the Warriors fans. I agree he has been dropping a bit of ball lately and hasn’t been quite on his game but he is still making those steam train runs, maybe he just needs a bit more quick stick on his hands. Hope your not planning a N.Z holiday anytime soon he is one of their favorite sons you could be linched …
June 4th 2012 @ 3:06pm
MG Burbank said | June 4th 2012 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
Not much steam these days, Steve. He’s a liability. I like the Warriors but they are not serious about being an elite team at this stage. Top 8 certainly but they have the talent to be much better than that.
June 5th 2012 @ 5:23pm
Spiritfree said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
You’re being very direct, MG, but I have to agree with you. If they get a bit ruthless wrt. Manu and put everything into developing the new young talent in combination with the few ‘imports’ they have and their excellent forwards, talent which let’s face it they have in spades and then some more in spades again, they could be unstoppable in two years max.
That they are still carrying Manu shows that they are not serious about being an elite team, coz right now they must all be praying every week that he doesn’t f**k up again.
Aside from Manu, the biggest danger they face is that another team comes along with a big fat wallet and grabs either Johnson or Hurrell. Or Locke.