Only the Wallabies can lift silverware this year
By Brett McKay, 5 Jun 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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David Pocock now captain of the Wallabies (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)
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I have no doubt our New Zealand and South African brethren are already chuckling at today’s headline. But I think even they will concur with the sentiment before too long.
As Super Rugby breaks now for its first ever June International recess, I’ve reluctantly arrived at the conclusion that many of you may have reached months ago: an Australian team won’t lift the three-legged spaceship cup on August 4.
With the greatest respect (and more than a little pleasant surprise) for what the Brumbies have achieved in 2012, their relative inexperience is starting to coming home to roost. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the “must lose a final before you can win one” theory (the Reds proved you don’t just last year), but at various times in matches the Brumbies are still playing like they need to learn a few hard lessons.
They’re playing well enough to win games, however, and while ever they keep doing that, they will reach the playoffs. How far they go is another story though, and it’s this doubt that has me arriving at the conclusion I have. Fortunately, Jake White is possibly the best man to make the most of their finals experiences in subsequent campaigns.
Two things stood out for me from the Rebels-Brumbies game, as reasons why the Brumbies may have reached their zenith in 2012.
The first came roughly midway during the second half, where while holding a five-point lead and with the game’s momentum still ebbing and flowing, the Brumbies drove forward well into the Rebels’ 22, holding the ball for 19 phases.
The Brumbies controlled things superbly; they didn’t commit numbers to the breakdown, which allowed a constant stream of forward runners to continue the pick-and-drive. It was working really well, and they were making metres with almost every run.
However, just as they needed to commit more bodies to the 20th ruck, they coughed the ball up virtually in front of the Rebels’ posts.
This was a clear sign to me that these courageous young Brumbies aren’t quite up to the challenge in 2012. If they can’t keep 20th phase ball metres out from the Rebels’ line, then what hope will they have of holding it in a playoff against the Chiefs, or the very physical Stormers, or the canniest breakdowners of them all, the Crusaders?
The second thing was something that puzzles me about more teams than just the Brumbies, to be fair.
Can anyone explain why right-footed scrumhalves insist on the box kick for touch only metres in from the right-hand touchline? It’s not championship winning; it’s just dumb.
From that position down the short side, it’s about as low a percentage play as they come. The safer – and smarter – play would be to pass off to just about any other teammate capable of kicking a rugby ball.
Yet both Brumbies scrumhalves did it against the Rebels, and both of them had that stupid “how did that happen?” look on their face as the ball sailed into touch on the full. I can’t help but think it might have cost Nic White a Wallaby jumper in tonight’s game.
Now granted, these two plays on their own are small things, but small things like these are enough to tell me that far from Championship rugby, the Brumbies are still playing like the mid-table team most armchair and actual experts expected them to be this year.
That said, nothing would make me happier than for the Brumbies to prove me wrong.
The Reds’ defence of their 2011 crown is still firmly in their own hands, but I can’t shake a feeling of impending doom about their 2012 destiny.
They do have a decent run home when Super Rugby resumes. They take on the Rebels away, the Highlanders back in Brisbane, and the Waratahs in Brisbane to finish. If they’re good enough, they could emerge from those games with 15 points.
With their last bye now gone, they could finish the season with 59 points. In 2011, the ‘Tahs and Sharks claimed the last two wildcard spots equal on 57 points.
For the Reds to go back-to-back, I believe they have to avoid another trip to South Africa. The best hope they have of avoiding South Africa would be to as a low-ranking qualifier into the second week. This would likely pit them against the Chiefs in Hamilton, via beating the Brumbies in Canberra; something they’ve already done this year.
The danger for the Reds is that the Bulls, Sharks, and Stormers have and will take points off each other over the last three weeks. If the Reds keep winning and the South African teams drop intra-conference games (including upsets like the Lions produced on Sunday morning), the Reds will climb the ladder toward a playoff trip to the Republic.
The Reds are playing good rugby again, but I’m not sure it’s winning-sudden-death-games-in-South-Africa good.
This means hopes for Australian rugby silverware this year rides with the Wallabies.
The pessimists might say the best and only chance arrives tonight in Newcastle, where the Wallabies will be hoping to erase the ghosts of 2009 by regaining the Hopetoun Cup from the proud Scots.
The Australians have assembled a nice-looking side under the circumstances, and I’m quite excited by the Dennis-Pocock-Higginbotham backrow. Scotland will be desperate to atone from a horrible Six Nations campaign, and have made six personnel changes from that ill-fated loss to Italy in March. Lock Richie Gray is one to watch.
The Wallabies haven’t lost to Scotland at home since 1982, and I think they’ll be too strong again tonight.
While I do give Wales a good chance of winning one Test, and possibly this Saturday in Brisbane, Australia should prevail and hold onto the James Bevan Trophy.
By the end of this three-Test series, the young Australian and Welsh sides will have met five times, going back to the third place playoff at the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
This will be the first time to the two sides have met since Wales claimed a Grand Slam on the way to lifting the Six Nations crown, however, and likewise, it will be the first time the two countries have met while concurrently holding their respective hemisphere titles.
There are many similarities between the two sides in terms of aspirations and relative experience, and a healthy rivalry looks to be building.
Should the Wallabies emerge victorious from the June Tests, there will be good reason for confidence in defending their Tri-Nations (now the Rugby Championship) crown later in the year. But let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves just yet.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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June 5th 2012 @ 3:15am
bluerose said | June 5th 2012 @ 3:15am | Report comment
just watched the u20 games…….Aust looks threatening but NZ are dangerous.
June 5th 2012 @ 8:25am
WQ said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
blurose, how does your comment have anything to do with Brett’s article?
June 5th 2012 @ 8:39am
KiwiDave said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
probably because the u20′s is Australia’s best hope of winning some silverware. Maybe thats the relevance
June 5th 2012 @ 8:43am
WQ said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
You think!
June 5th 2012 @ 2:51pm
bluerose said | June 5th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
if you look at the NZ u20 side you’ll notice the way the game is played/taught/coached in NZ compared to Australia, if we want some serious silverware for the next 4yrs we have to copy what NZ is doing, yes we may not like the idea but it has been proven year after year. NZ’s rugby development is the best in the world, my comment simplifies the huge gap in rugby between NZ and Aust, if we are really desperate for silverwares then NZ is the place to begin your rugby foundation.
June 5th 2012 @ 3:01pm
bluerose said | June 5th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
the road to lifting silverwares starts from grassroot rugby
June 5th 2012 @ 5:01pm
WQ said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Here Here bluerose you have hit the nail on the head!
June 5th 2012 @ 5:17am
chuck said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:17am | Report comment
England vs NZ u/20 is going too be the game too watch South Africa wae beaten by Ireland hudge boil over
June 5th 2012 @ 6:44am
Sam Taulelei said | June 5th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
England are definitely a big threat this year. Every one of their players are contracted to an Aviva premiership club already and when you look at the stats sheet they are massive.
They went close in the final last year and have been steadily improving with each tournament. I think they’ll lift the trophy this time.
NZ will be a contender as always but there’s not as many returning players from last year or contracted Super rugby players in this years squad, so the quality is unknown.
June 5th 2012 @ 6:58am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 6:58am | Report comment
I agree Sam.They were close to winning last year in what was a really tough Final.
Apparently a young (17) centre called Jason Emery was pretty impressive in Nz’s win over Samoa this morning.Related to Stacey Jones….KPM will be thrilled to hear of another nZ centre on the rise!!!!!
June 5th 2012 @ 9:06am
Colin N said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Unfortunately for England, they have a couple of players out, the likes of George Ford, Kvesic and Elliot Daly. Ford, in particular, is a class player as we saw last year, but he is spending the pre-season ‘bulking up’ because it’s unlikely he will get a proper pre-season again because he’s likely to be away with England!!
Having said that, his likely first choice replacement is Tom Heathcote who has kept Stephen Donald out of the fly-half jersey for much of this season.
But when you see the guys who have progressed from last year’s crop, I’m not quite sure if I see the same amount of talent. The likes of Joe Launchbury, Christian Wade, Jonathan Joseph (who ironically hardly played in last season’s competition!), Owen Farrell, Henry Thomas and the aforementioned Ford are already knocking on the door of England selection or have already gained a cap in the case of Farrell.
I’m not sure if I see the same happening with this year’s team, but we will see and I thought what seemed an experimental team did pretty well in the second half against Italy, after an inaccurate first.
I was also disappointed not to see Anthony Watson in the squad. He could have been injured of course and, although he is only 18 and has plenty of time on his side, he is a huge talent. Very much one to watch out for.
June 5th 2012 @ 9:19am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
So you are not as confident about England’s chances as yet,Colin? I recall they were very strong up front v NZ in that closely-fought Final.
June 5th 2012 @ 9:43am
Colin N said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I suppose It’s sometimes difficult to say at this level. I was actually rather damning of England’s performance in their first game last year against Scotland, but I always maintained it was probably the best crop of youngsters we’ve produced. They gradually improved throughout and were unlucky in the final
I would still say they’re good enough to get the final, but beating New Zealand is always the challenge and, as you say, by coming so close to beating New Zealand last year, I’m basing this season’s crop on that assertion.
It’s perhaps slightly harsh, but they’re probably not in that class. Like last year, they are strong up front and there’s depth in the front-row in particular. However, although there’s some good individual talent in the backs, there was a problem throughout the Six Nations with execution, and similar problems arose in the first period versus Italy.
For example, they completely dominated Ireland in the Six Nations but only beat them by 11 points. I suppose only time will tell and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by South Africa earlier, so you would have thought that they should get through the group at least.
June 5th 2012 @ 10:13am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Colin–It must be a handy advantage that these lads have a campaign together under their belts? Far as I know the NZ boys just assembled prior to the tournament. The Eng v Ireland game coming up later this week should be interesting.
June 5th 2012 @ 4:17pm
Ivan said | June 5th 2012 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
South africans also only assembled pre-tournament, and lost a few key men to superrugby and springboks. Etzabeth and Marcel Coetzee playing for Boks against England this weekend – both 20.
That said, I was at Stellies last night, and the Irish boys looked really big. Perhaps guiness in their baby bottles.
Saffers came back towards end, but it was clear to see that the players were clueless as to who was supposed to do what. – quite dissapointing for a top tier team.
June 5th 2012 @ 10:25am
Jarmen said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
I personally think Perenara should have been sent to the U20s for a little more development.
Correct me if I am wrong but is this not the first year where NZ has not sent any Super Rugby players and players with minimal ITM cup experience?
June 5th 2012 @ 10:46am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
I agree re Perenara & co.Pity really that we didn’t send our strongest possible squad.Devalues it a tad.I’m not really up-to-date on whether or not this is a first though Jarmen.
June 5th 2012 @ 6:09am
The Bush said | June 5th 2012 @ 6:09am | Report comment
Reds v Waratahs is in Brissy I’m pretty sure.
June 5th 2012 @ 6:22am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
you’re quite right Bushy, I’ve mis-read that one. Changed now..
June 5th 2012 @ 12:59pm
The Bush said | June 5th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
That Sharks loss has opened the tournament right up Brett…
I hear Mr Pocock is moving to the Brumbies. If Tooma is fit next year to add depth and Christian plays well again, they might be a real threat…
June 5th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
it has Bushy. The Reds are technically 9th, but are now one of four teams angling for 6th. Where once we thought the top 6 was sorting itself out, the Lions have remembered how to win (evident Sharks no-try controversy notwithstanding). The SA conference could spirng more surprises yet, too.
I’ll believe the Pocock rumours when I see something more concrete. But certainly, he’ll make a difference next year (though see my comments further down about whether it’s really a good thing overall..)
June 5th 2012 @ 6:59am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
You were right Brett; Am chuckling at today’s headline
June 5th 2012 @ 10:44am
Sprigs said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Nice bit of teasing.
June 5th 2012 @ 7:32am
sheek said | June 5th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Good article, Brett.
June 5th 2012 @ 7:53am
Snobby Deans said | June 5th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Headline: Only the Wallabies can win Silverware this year.
Last sentence: But let’s not too far ahead of ourselves just yet.
Questions;
* Why mention Super Rugby for a large part of the Article. Last time I looked, the Wallabies aren’t one of the 15 teams?
* Why can’t any other team win silverware? Are all games foregone conclusions – like vs Scotland 2009, or vs Samoa 2011? This sort of article, by a so-called Expert, is an affront to people who still believe that opponents deserve respect.
* Why does it only mention Scotland and Wales? What about the Rugby Championship? Or is the only Silverware that the Wallabies are “guaranteed” to win (as suggested by the headline) against the northern hemisphere opponents on their end of year tour?
June 5th 2012 @ 8:31am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Think Brett was just saying that maybe the RC is the only realistic chance Australians have of any joy this season.That was my take,anyway
June 5th 2012 @ 8:34am
Snobby Deans said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Okay – maybe I misread it.
I just can’t see how the Wallabies can be too confident of winning the RC if they come through the June internationals, when (a) the All Blacks are favourites to do the same – and if they stumble even once to a first ever loss to the Irish, then they’ll be even more dangerous because of the backlash, and (b) the same probably applies to the Boks.
June 5th 2012 @ 8:49am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Moa, though I alluded to the RC, I’m very deliberately not talking about it properly for the moment, hence the “But let’s not too far ahead of ourselves just yet” finish.
For now, I’ll be really happy with a win tonight and a series win against Wales..
(and I’m glad I could provide your morning chuckle today
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June 5th 2012 @ 9:12am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Cheers for that Brett. I am really glad about your policy of not talking about games/cmpetitions too far ahead.One step at a time suits me just fine.I am quite excited about this new ‘window’ in the Super season.It is quite refreshing.The elongated June Series-3 matches v Wales/Ireland is a great innovation too,to me.Am sick of the hit’n run one or two-game tours.
On a side note—can any Roarers help me with some advice? Lately when I open a thread ,I am finding not all new blogs or whatever they are called are showing.I refresh the page and try again,often to no avail.Is it a problem with my pc or do I neeed a Roar upgrade or something I have missed? Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
June 5th 2012 @ 9:35am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Moa, you’ve just made me realise I’d left a word out of that last sentence, too! (fixed now)
I too like the idea of the June window, but I’ll be interested to see the effect when Super Rugby continues. The Stormers, for eg, would;ve loved to have played the Sharks in Cape Town straight after their loss to the Lions, to get them while they’re vulnerable. The Hurricanes have just given their season another flicker of hope but now have to wait three weeks to see if flicker becomes proper fire.
On the other side of the coin, the Brumbies will enjoy the break and use the time to recalibrate.
But it is what it is, and I’m really looking forwad to the internationals. There’s some really great match-ups around.
On your problem, I have seen something similar, and I think you’ll find it’s your browser not picking up the auto-expand in the threads. I’ve flagged your comment for the guys though, hopefully they might have some thoughts for you..
June 5th 2012 @ 10:19am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Thanks Brett; Regarding the pros and cons of the ‘window’—I suspect the healthy flicker of the ‘Canes might be ruthlessly extinguished by a red ‘n black boot next match up….I had thought,prior to the Lions upsetting the Sharks that the Top 6 were clearly ahead of the peleton and that the bottom 9 sides may as well wander off and contest the Plate….but once more,one result has had plenty of implications for the chasing pack,in particular,and kept things interesting for the fans to debate over the break.
June 5th 2012 @ 9:46am
Tristan Rayner said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
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June 5th 2012 @ 10:20am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Thanks Tristan.
June 5th 2012 @ 10:27am
Jarmen said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
I have the same problem Moa so you can rest easy its not just you
June 5th 2012 @ 10:42am
Moaman said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Great!
Makes my day that some other poor b$%^& is suffering too! Thanks mate.
June 5th 2012 @ 8:43am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
alright Snobby, let me spell it out for you. I thought it was all pretty clear, to be honest, but happy to explain..
- Why mention Super Rugby? Because, it’s just gone into it’s first-ever recess for an international window, and the different permutations for the finals are already coming out. As Super Rugby breaks, Australia has two teams in finals contention, and therefore would be a chance of lifting the cup. You’re right, the Wallabies aren’t a Super Rugby team, well spotted. But I never said they were, either.
- Why can’t any other team win? Any other Australian team? Are you really asking that? No games are forgone conclusions, and again, they’re your words, not mine. You’ll also note the use of phrases such as “..the Wallabies will be HOPING to erase the ghosts of 2009 by regaining the Hopetoun Cup…” and “..Australia SHOULD prevail and hold onto the James Bevan Trophy.”
- Why only Scotland and Wales? Because that’s who the Wallabies play in June!! After that, I’ll resume writing about Super Rugby, and after that, THEN we can talk about the Rugby Championship.
The headline does not suggest a guarantee at all, and nowhere does the article suggest that either. Once again, that is what you’ve read into it yourself. The article reasons that while the Brumbies and Reds still have a chance of winning the Super Rugby title, in my opinion, I don’t believe they will. Therefore, the ONLY Australian team I believe that CAN possibly win silverware is the Wallabies. Not Super Rugby silverware, obviously, just silverware in general.
There’s no guarantees in rugby, and even less in Australian rugby, but as things stand right now, I believe the Wallabies present the best chance.
Thanks for your feedback, though, I appreciate you taking the time you did…
June 5th 2012 @ 9:10am
Snobby Deans said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Thanks Brett – appreciate the clarification. I have to say I didn’t read it the way you intended, but that’s the beauty of interpretation I guess.
June 5th 2012 @ 10:02am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Snobby, for what it’s worth, a mate has emailed me this morning with similar questions to what you’ve raised, which did get me wondering if I’d not written this as clearly as I thought. He’s also conceded a mis-interpretation..
June 5th 2012 @ 11:01am
Elisha Pearce said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Brett, I understood what you meant to be honest. But I can see where others are coming from.
This kind of article might have been helped by the New Yorker (Malcolm Gladwell) style with simple numbered headings, 1,2,3,4 etc as needed to make it clear there are steps in your logic and while the overall point is the same you are addressing it in different topics.
Also, some people begin to draw their strongest conclusions as they read, even from the first paragraph. Others can stay pretty even handed right to the bottom of an article before taking away something more concrete. Not a bad thing either way. People are just different.
June 5th 2012 @ 11:04am
Elisha Pearce said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Different angles, not topics. I.E – Aussie Super Rugby (Brumbies then QLD, then South African sides) Then International (Scotland or Wales) all same idea but different angles.
June 5th 2012 @ 11:08am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
take your point EP, but I like to think people are smart enough to follow an idea from intro through to conclusion without the hand-holding. There will always be misinterpretations like Snobby has, but I can’t control that..
June 5th 2012 @ 1:54pm
Carnivean said | June 5th 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
I think it’s because the headline is a truncation of a longer sentence, “Of teams from Australia, only the Wallabies can lift silverware this year”. If you cut out the first bit you lose an important piece of context. Some people infer the context from the headline, and can misinterpret. Others infer it from the main article, and to them it was clear.
June 5th 2012 @ 2:41pm
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
what’s that saying about judging books by their cover, Carnivean?
June 5th 2012 @ 8:42am
WQ said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Brett I agree that the Reds are the only hope for Super Rugby glory this year and in my opinion are starting to play the type of Rugby that won them the title last year. I disagree however with your comment about them not being up to winning in South Africa. If they can get Quade Cooper to fire then anything could be possible for them. This of course may be difficult now that Dean’s has dumped him from the Wallaby set up as I suspect Quade may sulk for a bit as opposed to getting on with the job, I hope I am wrong.
The Brumbies have made a big leap forward this year however they are at least another year away from a title. They seem to be able to win regularly now, but to win the title you have to be able to win the 50/50 games and that comes with confidence and a self belief that they don’t have yet.
I am not so sure about the Wallabies and find it hard to believe that they have gone with Barnes at fly-half. He was absolutely terrible against the Hurricanes the other night and did not look comfortable when rushed for time and cramped for space. This will only get worse at Test level were time and space is at a premium! I find it very difficult to swallow Dean’s story about having more running options to work with when you look at the back line he will work with.
The bigger issue for the Wallabies will be that of their set piece which has been their problem for some time now. The sooner they get their scrum and line out working as well as their ruck play the better off they will be. Once they have these things sorted they then need every one of the numerous classy backs coordinated by a decent fly half and they will start winning some silverware.
June 5th 2012 @ 9:10am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
WQ, all fair points, particularly about the Reds. It will be interesting what Cooper’s program involves now – does he play for his club this weekend, or do the Reds holding him back for their non-SR game v Hurricanes in Townsville (presuming no Wallaby recall)?
I hope I’m wrong too, for what it’s worth, I’d love both teams to get to the last weekend (I suspect we might have different hopes for the outcome if that happens, but the point stands).
I’m comfortable with Barnes at flyhalf tonight, but I do concur about the set piece issue, espcially given the forecast for Newcastle today and tonight:
“..increasing to areas of rain by early evening. Winds W/NW 25 to 35 km/h, reaching 45 km/h at times, tending S/SW up to 65 km/h by early evening. Daytime maximum temperatures between 11 and 16. Dangerous surf conditions developing later.”
June 5th 2012 @ 10:51am
WQ said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
I think the answer to the Cooper question is all about how he sees his exit from the Wallaby camp.
If he genuinely believes that he needs more Rugby then I agree with you a return to club Rugby will give him time on the paddock and an opportunity to regain the confidence that he needs to do the special things that he can do on the Rugby paddock. If he believes he has had an unfair kick in the guts then club Rugby will only make that feeling worse.
I hope the Scots do not play out of their skins tonight as this will show Barnes up for his lack of vision and options with no time nor space to hide behind.
June 5th 2012 @ 8:42am
KiwiDave said | June 5th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
I think with the world cup behind them, the Boks and All Blacks main focus will be the four nations and the Wallabies will be hard pressed to defend it. The only silverware I think they will win might be the trophy they lost to Scotland a few years ago.
June 5th 2012 @ 9:11am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
and that could be the way it plays out KiwiD. Wales are a very good side, a lot better than some Roarers will have us believe…
June 5th 2012 @ 9:37am
Riccardo said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Possibly KD.
Assuming the Wallabies get through June (with one loss against Wales the preferred worst case scenario) the return of the some of the injured roster for the Rugby Championship will see them as bouyant as ever.
Two home games for the Bledisloe contest will enhance their confidence too.
June 5th 2012 @ 10:29am
Jarmen said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Technically speaking the Wallabies aren’t defending anything this year.
The RC is a completely new championship and as yet no one has won it and therefore the right to defend it.
Just saying
June 5th 2012 @ 10:40am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Jarmen, I wrestled with that same concept, that the Wallabies hold the Tri-Nations for good now, but decided it was just easier to make the obvious link…
June 5th 2012 @ 9:49am
Sean said | June 5th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Brett, can you confirm if Pocock is going to sign with the Brumbies???
June 5th 2012 @ 10:03am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Sean, as much as I’d love to, no I can’t. And more’s the point, I don’t think anyone can currently.
It’ll be great for the Brumbies if true, not so great for Australia rugby if Pocock leaves the Force though..
June 5th 2012 @ 10:05am
Sean said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Could you blame him if he left though? he has put in some good years over there and wants to play for a title contender, not a wooden spoon contender! But true, it would all but finish the force I believe!
June 5th 2012 @ 10:30am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
no, certainly wouldn’t blame him. I don’t begrudge professional sportspeople making personal decisions rather than pragmaitc ones. It’s certainly not Pocock’s job to build the Force into a strong team..
June 5th 2012 @ 11:28am
Rhino said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Seem to recall Berrick leaving struggling Reds so he could win a title with NSW. Worked a treat for him. Thank god he went though as Reds would never have won title with Sir Kick-A-Lot in backline.
June 5th 2012 @ 11:53am
Brendon said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
They never would have won it if he didnt leave either. It was because he left that the clean out occured
June 5th 2012 @ 11:54am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Hindsight’s a wonderful thing, Rhino..
June 5th 2012 @ 3:53pm
sittingbison said | June 5th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
I posted this on the other thread, but think it is also important for this particular conversation:
“This is another scurrilous article purporting to be “journalism”, not a single sauce unnamed or otherwise, a single paragraph in the gossip column. These articles are becoming a joke, they are driving an agenda and seriously destabilize team, player and supporters often from both franchises. There was one claiming Sharpie was off to the Brums as well, then the next day one quoting Sharpie that he was definitely retired.
The Brums have Mowen as capt and natural leader, they have several other young flankers Faingaa and is it Veau (sic), they have a young team coming good that will need more payment for their performances so will need the extra salary cap money to keep them. And the basis of the article was that Pocock “has a strong relationship with Jake White”. Ermmm….WTF when has he had ANY exposure to Jake White, not at school, not as SA coach, not as anything. He has never played a single minute anywhere near Jake White.
Several rubbish articles like these have popped up over the last few days, distracting attention away from the REAL story that should be investigated, the piss poor performance of the Tahs and speculation over Foley.
The most disappointing thing about this drivel is it distracts from the greatest moment in his career, being captain of the national team for the first time.”
Now for my observation on a Pocock move. It does neither team any particular good service, and is not particulary well thought out by the Brumbies. Same for the Sharpie to Brums article when they already have two gun locks unlucky to miss Wallaby selection. Funnily enough (nothing funny about it in reality) as a player the Force could almost cover losing him, it is the one position they have some depth. Not only Hodgo Brown and McCalman, but they also have some quality flankers coming through such as Angus Cottrell. However there are the non-player aspects such as the clubs ability to retain its stars, and what impression it makes on a coach. All successful teams have a core group of stars and a talisman, Pocock has taken over from Sharpie as the Forces talisman.
June 5th 2012 @ 4:17pm
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
for what it’s worth Bison, this kind of sports reporting has been prevalent for years, and is hardly restricted to rugby. Michael Hooper going to the Waratahs started off this same way. I do take and agree with your point, though where there’s smoke there’s often fire.
On your observation, I do completely agree that the best things for Australian rugby is for Pocock to stay in Perth and let the Force build a team around him. That said, it’s not Pocock’s job to develop rugby in Western Australia. I hope he does stay over there, but I wouldn’t begrudge him making the move from a professional point of view, either..
June 5th 2012 @ 4:39pm
sittingbison said | June 5th 2012 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
What astounds me Brett is the “Lets get Pocock” or “Lets get Hooper” thinking, irrespective of whether they are actually really needed. The Tahs did not need Hooper, they already have two players that are arguably as good (although Hooper will become a true star), the Brumbies do not really need Pocock, he costs a fortune and they have Faingaa Mowen and Veau. What are they going to do with Mowens captaincy, which many including yourself have describes as the catalyst bringing this young team together and Jake White true genius.
When the Force got Gits they needed a 10/12, when they went for Genia they needed a replacement for Sheehan (retiring) with Turner injury prone and too inexperienced, and a lure for a 10. Now they have got Ebersohn, in their problematic 10 position. I’m not for one second saying they are angels, but they needed their targets and the teams losing all had excellent replacements in the wings (CL, Lucas, Goosen etc).
And the problem with this sensationalist journalism is it is destablises a team. Not that I’m a conspiracy theorist (B52 found on moon hehe), but is it any wonder that the next game of S15 is between the Force and…you guessed it the Brumbies in an absolutely must win game for the Brums away in Perth when their form is wilting and the Force are on the up? And suddenly an article linking the Force best player, talisman and captain to the Brumbies appears? Give me a break.
Don’t be surprised in a backfire result with the Force players geeing up and kicking the Brumbies butt. No doubt Phil Blake has pinned this and five or six equally scurrilous articles denigrating the Force to the locker room wall
June 5th 2012 @ 11:04am
Worlds Biggest said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Agree the Reds are the only Oz team capable of winning it should they qualify. Looking at the remaining 3 games they still have a chance, they play the Rebels away and then home to the Highlanders and Waratahs. The Brumbies have done really well however as Macca alluded to, don’t have the firepower to win it all. I hope Pocock stays at the Force. The Brumbies are doing a great job at unearthing good young talent ( unlike Waratahs ) so they should be able to find another 7. Otherwise the Reds have three Number 7′s of which one will be looking for game time.
June 5th 2012 @ 11:10am
Brett McKay said | June 5th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Worlds, they’ve already got another 7 – Colby Fainga’a. But by the same token, you hardly say no to a Pocock if he expresses interest when asked…
June 5th 2012 @ 2:43pm
formeropenside said | June 5th 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
The Reds did. I only hope the poaching Force dont take Gill – I’d actually offer Beau a release, and see if he wanted to go to Melbourne or Perth to keep their hands off Gill.
Of course, having Beau as a backup 7 for the Reds – and as 6/7 combo on occasion – is best for the Reds, and therefore for Australian rugby, but all the silly non-Queenslanders dont see it that way.
June 5th 2012 @ 4:08pm
sittingbison said | June 5th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
FOS you have to move beyond 2005, the Force are a long way from being poachers in fact ALL the other franchises have “poached” our best players. Gits to Brumbies, Mitchell to Tahs, Judas to Rebels, and….Diggers to Reds. The actual issue is there is no such thing as poaching unless its mid-contract. These are employees who have employment contracts that expire, at which time they seek employment at the best rate available. Don’t for one second believe any drivel that Genia stayed in QLD for the love of his mates, he is getting as much as he would have got at the Force. Its called a professional game for a very good reason.
Reds could not fit Pocock under their salary cap, they already had to make room for Genia, Cooper, Higgers, Taps etc. They could not even fit in Cooper until right now with the $500k increase in the cap.
June 5th 2012 @ 4:35pm
formeropenside said | June 5th 2012 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
they weren’t your best players in the first place, you poached them from somewhere else – and most relevantly, Digby from the Reds.
June 5th 2012 @ 5:30pm
sittingbison said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
Mitchell had lost the plot at Reds and needed to start all over again, diggers was a teenager I don’t think he had played any senior rugby and I think came originally from Victoria anyway? Judas we got as a schoolboy after Reds did not sign him, same with Pocock, both regarded as too small.
Gits chased the money. And the move ultimately did not suit the Force, they desperately needed a 10 and despite insisting he have it Gits was found out as not being suited to that position. As a result we lost Brock James and James Hilgendorf. Hindsights a wonderful thing.
FOS I do understand your central philosophy that players are brought up and nurtured in a province, but you have to realise the S15 game is now fully professional and all players will follow the best money. Take pride in them being Queenslanders wherever they play. Like we do with Wallace-Harrison, ZHolmes, Dale Haylett-Petty etc %)
June 5th 2012 @ 5:42pm
Jutsie said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:42pm | Report comment
FOS you have a very distorted view of history, digby was hardly an established player at the reds when he went to the force, the force poached him as much as the reds poached him from victoria.
June 5th 2012 @ 5:59pm
sittingbison said | June 5th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
digby had a one year S14 contract with Reds in 2005 but did not play a game. He played 20 games with Force 2006-2007, and was released because he was homesick. His first test was June 2007, which I believe makes him the first player developed into a Wallaby by the Force %)