Wallabies lose and the excuses begin
By HardcorePrawn, 7 Jun 2012 HardcorePrawn is a Roar Guru
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Before the ink was dry on newspapers reporting the Wallabies’ loss to Scotland, the whinging began. “It was the wind”; “it was too cold”; “too wet”; “there wasn’t a long enough rest after the weekend”; “we need an Australian coach, not a Kiwi”; and so on.
The torrent of complaints and excuses following Scotland’s hard-won victory over the Wallabies in a wintry Newcastle last night has been as heavy and relentless as the rain that fell on Hunter Stadium.
The fact is that Australia were out-muscled, out-manoeuvred and out-played by the better team on the night. The plaudits should be heaped upon the Scots for a valiant win, in what were atrocious conditions.
However, I don’t think that the weather can be really used as an excuse. From where I was watching, in the comfort of my lounge room, I couldn’t see individual storm clouds following only the Australians. The Scots played in the same conditions.
As for suggesting that the Scots would be more used to these conditions, I would counter by saying that the Australians regularly play away games in NZ, a country with a similar climate to Scotland. Besides, it does also get cold and rainy in Australia in winter too, and take into account the members of the Scottish team that hadn’t toured here before may even have been looking forward to a bit of warm weather and sunshine.
Theirs is a nation that has been brought up enviously watching the perpetual sunlight of Home and Away, they probably had more of a shock from the weather than the Australians did last night.
As for the lack of a rest after the weekend, the turnaround is only marginally worse than the non-tier one nations had to contend with at last year’s World Cup. Yes, they complained, rightly so, but they got on with their games and in some cases gave the big boys (with their seven days rest) some scares.
And when did the Scots arrive in Australia from the UK? I’m not sure when they did – hopefully someone reading may be able to supply the date – but having travelled that journey a few times I’ve usually still been suffering the effects of jet-lag weeks later.
And I didn’t have to front up to an international test while feeling that way. No, the Scots were probably still not 100% over their flight, and so, I think that we could compare their state to the Australians’ lack of rest time and maybe ascertain that both teams were likely to be handicapped in some way last night.
Finally, the subject of the coach: a Kiwi. It has often been said of Robbie Deans that he doesn’t have Australian interests at heart. I’ve even seen it implied by some conspiracy theorists that he’s deliberately dismantling the Wallabies at the behest of New Zealand Rugby.
Seriously?
While having an overseas coach leading any national team is always likely to be a contentious issue for some, it’s worth remembering who it was that masterminded Scotland’s victory last night: Andy Robinson.
An Englishman.
And while there is some antagonism between New Zealand and Australia, which usually only ever manifests itself in a bit of banter about national stereotypes, it is nothing compared to the rivalry between the Scots and English. Theirs is the oldest international sporting rivalry in the books.
There have even been wars fought between the two nations for crying out loud.
So, while the loss to a team ranked 12th by the IRB will smart – and for what it’s worth, I really do think that the Australian media puts too much emphasis on rankings, but then that’s a topic for another article – I think that it’s probably time to congratulate the Scots on their victory, move on, and look forward to what the Welsh may bring.
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June 7th 2012 @ 2:30am
Johnno said | June 7th 2012 @ 2:30am | Report comment
The other problem that has to be dealt with now is JON is leaving in 2013 apparantley I hope he holds Robbie deans to account if we lose to Wales. We have a Lions series coming up in 2013, and if we can’t beat an injury depleted Scotland at home in 2012 how on earth are we going to beat a full strength Lions in 2013 with Robbie Deans in charge,
June 7th 2012 @ 2:57am
bluerose said | June 7th 2012 @ 2:57am | Report comment
that Lions team/squad would probably be the strongest well balanced multi-talented team/squad to ever tour depending on injuries.
June 7th 2012 @ 8:23am
KiwiDave said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Thats most strongest well balanced Lion side. Theres been a few All Black and one or two Bok and Aussie sides stronger to tour
June 7th 2012 @ 8:29am
Blue Blood said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Why are we allowing O’Neill to choose when he leaves? Fire him now. Not after the wealth creating Lions tour that will have people saying that he did a good job because of the mighty dollar.
June 7th 2012 @ 11:59am
Jokerman said | June 7th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Genia couldn’t feel his fingers apparently. I have sympathy for him. I had a game in Wellington when I was 7, freezing, a frost! Couldn’t feel my fingers also. I’m with you Genia. Like you I’m sure, in private I boiled my eyes out.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:23pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Boiled your eyes out sh@t mate that would’ve hurt
I’m sure you meant bawled lol
June 7th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Baa Baa said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Simply put, the Wallabies thought the Scots would be a pushover and treated the game as such. They were wrong!
June 7th 2012 @ 1:09pm
Sprigs said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Simply put and wrong. They tried.
June 7th 2012 @ 3:03am
Will said | June 7th 2012 @ 3:03am | Report comment
The best way to put it is that the Wallabies didn’t want it enough. Good teams lose their way, great teams find a way.
I think you’re a little simplistic though- the weather was a leveller, the scheduling was ridiculous and the Scots had been in Australia for 2 weeks as a team.
That said, the score board never lies.
For mine, the most worrying thing is that the Scots beat us exactly the same way that they beat us in Edinburgh. It was almost a complete replay only the weather in Newcastle was worse.
They just don’t seem to be learning from the defeats and too many of them have played 30-40 tests now to say that they are still maturing.
June 7th 2012 @ 4:39am
Viscount Crouchback said | June 7th 2012 @ 4:39am | Report comment
Splendid article. It was most regrettable to see Mr Zavos blaming the wind.
June 7th 2012 @ 5:38am
Thurl said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:38am | Report comment
I thought mr Zavos blamed the Wallabys for not using the wind
June 7th 2012 @ 6:24am
Ziggy said | June 7th 2012 @ 6:24am | Report comment
He blamed the wind because he could not find a reason to blame the Ref or simply forgot he was Souih African.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:11pm
Sprigs said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
He is originally from NZ.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:48pm
stillmatic1 said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
the ref, sprigs, the ref.
June 7th 2012 @ 9:42am
HardcorePrawn said | June 7th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Thanks VC, this was my first for the Roar (my first for anywhere if truth be told), so your compliment is much appreciated!
June 8th 2012 @ 5:18pm
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
To be fair Spiro did blame the wallabies for not using the wind rather than just the wind itself.
He even gave us a lovely story from his early days concerning why he never ‘gave away the wind’ or somesuch.
I love spiro
June 7th 2012 @ 5:58am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:58am | Report comment
oh well it was an embarrassing loss but it’ll give the wobblies the kick up the but they need. hopefully they get their act together before the 4nations and bledisloe. AB’s will be defending the bledisloe for the 10th time. aus better step up and give a good game.
June 7th 2012 @ 6:13am
matthew said | June 7th 2012 @ 6:13am | Report comment
10th time defending?
That’s pretty damning for the self annointed greatest rivals of the All Blacks.
June 7th 2012 @ 6:47am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
in deans defence he wasnt responsible for the majority of the losses, only the last 4
June 7th 2012 @ 7:38am
Jeff said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Scotland has a similar climate to NZ.Give me a break. Scotland is by far the coldest part of the UK [not surprising as iit is the furtherest north] and the southern part of the UK has a far cooler climate than NZ.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:55am
Tumble Hill said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
I think the poeple of the South Island would disagree with you Jeff haha. Minus 10 down there in some parts thismorning.
June 7th 2012 @ 8:25am
KiwiDave said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
True that Tumble. Even living in Waikato I would walk to work some mornings in -5 temperature
June 7th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Which part of the Waikato were you living in?
I’m in my thirties and have lived in the Waikato and never then nor ever have I heard of it getting that cold there.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:56pm
M.O.C. said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
Did you not ever go outside in winter Jarmen ? – we used to play Saturday morning rugby barefoot in frost in the King Country, temps easily were sub zero – I have no sympathy for Genia and his cold pinkies! – maybe he should invest in some gloves like Mortlock used to wear when he next plays in the cold.
June 7th 2012 @ 3:09pm
KiwiDave said | June 7th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
Was around 20-25 years ago last lived down there. Days like that were rare but you would get a couple of them a year. Was funny when I first came to Aussie. I would walk around in shorts and jandals in the middle of winter and people would look at me like I was nuts.
June 7th 2012 @ 9:49am
Jeff said | June 7th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
I have been in minus 10 in some inland parts of Australia [Orange] and I watched a Super 12 final in Canberra when snow was falling but I would never compare our climate to Scotlands !!!
June 7th 2012 @ 10:09am
HardcorePrawn said | June 7th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
It’s worth bearing in mind that the Scots don’t play their club rugby or international home games in wild and windy Highland locations, or storm-tossed outlying islands, but in Glasgow and Edinburgh, where the climate can be quite moderate. If really bad weather does hit then matches are usually postponed, it’s not as though these guys play week in week out in the sort of abysmal weather that we saw on Tuesday.
I was just stressing the point that bad weather shouldn’t be used as an excuse, the Australians were just as aware of the forecast as the Scots, and I would be really surprised, really, really surprised, if none of the Australian team in Newcastle that night hadn’t played, and won matches in similar conditions before.
June 7th 2012 @ 10:16am
kingplaymaker said | June 7th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
It rains plenty in Scotland wherever you areand much of their lives are spent in a windswept mudwrestle. They probably love it.
June 7th 2012 @ 11:11am
Tumble Hill said | June 7th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
To me it seemed as though the Wallabies were playing a default game plan to combat those conditions when in fact maybe 1 or 2 passes wide of the ruck would have seen them make more ground and bought their dangerous backs into play. I think they really just failed to change it up a bit when it was needed most.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:41am
sixo_clock said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
We played the game without a big aggressive slippery linebuster in the mold of Melon, Rocky or Offenhague and that was the only problem. It was always going to be difficult in those conditions with extra time taken to ensure a grip on the ball, very little sideways movement, no hit-and-spin counter tackles etc. No matter, the Scots couldn’t cross the line either.
I don’t believe Genia or Barnes shined but they did show they could relearn/play possession Rugby. Only a handful of lame kicks.
One huge plus would be the feeling amongst our forwards that they can play an entire game with the ball in hand, they are strong enough. It is from now on an option for Australian Rugby to hang on, work out of a dangerous position and with better footing apply and build pressure and break the line to generate even more. However their forwards were not as forceful at the breakdown as we were led to believe, others will be more bruising. Also our support at the ruck was excellent with not one ball kicked by slow thinking feet. It is now time for locks like Pyle, Power, Carter and others to be given a run to see who has that test level capacity to break through.
Having the Scots as a lifelong nemesis isn’t that bad, adds a little spark to future match-ups. Enjoy their anthem too.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:53am
Who Needs Melon said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Yep. Who was the guy on here going on and on about the “POWER” of Timani the other week?
June 7th 2012 @ 7:58am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
KPM i think
June 7th 2012 @ 8:32am
Blue Blood said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
What about those who still think that Higgers is the man for his size and ability? Yawn
June 7th 2012 @ 8:34am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
whats is with higgers? when he comes off the bench he does great, but everytime he’s started he’s been average.
must be a super sub
June 7th 2012 @ 8:47am
Justin2 said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
His body positon wasnt great with some of his ball carries. No doubt Palu will come into 8 from now on and they will play Higgers at 6. Palu would have “suited” those conditions more with his bigger body type.
June 7th 2012 @ 10:15am
kingplaymaker said | June 7th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Palu/Higginbotham/Pocock has the makings of an excellent and well-balanced backrow for me.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:45am
Riccardo said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Posted on Ben Horne’s article today regarding Rob Simmons’ “try”, but just as relevant here.
“The Wallabies aren’t making any excuses for Tuesday night’s embarrassing 9-6 loss in the wet and wind to Scotland, but…”
Then spew forth every excuse known to weak men.
Phil Kearns (whom I find difficult to stomach) is frothing at the ARU. He should know better. At least Dingo, the man everyone wants sacked immediately, can acknowledge that the Scottish played well and the Wallabies failed to take their opportunities.
Scotland actually did the Wallabies a favour. If they had gone into a contest with the Welsh, the 6 Nations champions, with the same complacency and entitlement that they took to the “easy” Scottish match I can assure you the margin against them would be a great deal more than that on Tuesday night.
Harden up. Saturday presents another opportunity but if the extent of the analysis required is represented by Kearnsy and this sort of tripe, one suspects that a real lesson may be on the cards.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:57am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
agree riccardo – aus and its supporters need to stop looking at this as an end of the season embarrassment and realise that its a wake up call. this is a big kick up the but and aus need to come back with a vengence and realise they cant just turn up and be given the win.
AB’s had their buts handed to them in 2009 by the boks and and were forced to acknowledge some valuable lessons.
wallaby’s need to use this loss as an opportunity to take a long hard look at themselves and ask if they should be wearing the green n gold. those that think they deserve it need to go out and prove it.
June 7th 2012 @ 8:31am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
haha, just read that article riccardo…what a huge “but”. higginbotham should’ve kept his mouth shut. makes himself look like a whinger
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/7053129/Wallabies-lament-no-try-ruling-in-loss-to-Scots
June 7th 2012 @ 1:14pm
Sprigs said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
Yes. And remember, we lost in the first Test against Samoa last year and then whipped the All Blacks in Brisbane to rightfully claim the Tri nations.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:52pm
stillmatic1 said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
wow. and got whipped well and truly by the ABs in the WC!! so there, sprigs.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:39pm
Jerry said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
I realise it’s a pretty infrequent thing for the Wallabies to beat the AB’s, but 5 points isn’t a whipping in anyone’s book, Sprigs.
June 7th 2012 @ 7:48am
Snobby Deans said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Great article. I often wonder what people will blame when Deans is gone and you have an Aussie coach at the helm. It seems so easy and convenient, and a bit of Xenophobia always gets people riled up.
That was a good point you made about the short turnaround at the RWC for the smaller nations. It’s a bit rich for the big boys to complain (though that seems to be more the fans who think that it’s to blame for the loss, along with the weather, rather than by the Scots) when the smaller guys have to deal with it.
I’m guessing that if the Wallabies get up over the Welsh this weekend, then everything about the Scottish test will be immediately forgotten, any potential lessons forgotten and all will be right. It’ll be a case of the Fantastic Wallabies showing their Fighting Spirit after the blip of the Scottish test.
The question is, do the Wallabies have it in them to do it? Should make for a cracker of a game!
June 7th 2012 @ 8:00am
Shungmao said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Riccardo, pretty well anything I believe or think that is mentioned or supported by kearns I change my opinion immediately. He embarrasses himself as a commentator!
June 7th 2012 @ 8:34am
KiwiDave said | June 7th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Too much is being read into the Scottish game.
First it was played in conditions which favoured the Scots and hindered the Aussies. They simply don’t play well in the wet.
Second, the game is 4 days before a big test against Wales. Poor scheduling meant you were never going to have a strong side out there as the depth is not there in Australian rugby to field 2 international quality sides at once. NZ is the only side that can put a B side out that can mix it up with all the six nation sides successfully.
Third, you have some notable injuries. Beale and O’Connor are massive injuries and both create huge holes in your side. Your best backline looks something like Genia, Cooper, McCabe, Iaone, OConnor, Mitchell, Beale and you take two or three players out of that backline it drops off rapidly due to the lack of depth.
I think you will put up a better effort against Wales but with OConnor and Beale missing it will take a big effort to win.
June 7th 2012 @ 9:36am
justsaying said | June 7th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Surely it’s not that difficult to back up on a Saturday from a game on a Tuesday is it? ITM Cup teams did it on a regular basis last year. I know it’s not the same level, but I can’t help thinking that if the Wallabies had put their top team out on Tuesday they would not only have avoided the morale-sapping defeat to the Scots, but would be match-hardened for the game against Wales. Given that injuries to key players in Beale and JOC will undermine combinations in the team, I would have thought the Wallabies would jump at the chance to give their A team a run before the Welsh tests.
June 7th 2012 @ 10:13am
kingplaymaker said | June 7th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
KiwiDave be careful of saying all that truth to anti-a-non-Australian-coaching-an-Australian-sporting-team Wallaby fans.
June 7th 2012 @ 12:36pm
KiwiDave said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
LOL! If the Wallaby supporters and administration spent as much time and effort identifying and trying to fix their problems as they do playing the blame game they might actually make inroads.
If you look at all the articles since Tuesday it is pretty sad. 30 or 40 articles, all laced with throwing blame around, mainly directed at the kiwi born Coach. The article writers seem to like writing Kiwi born Robbie Dean instead of just Robbie Deans like its all one giant kiwi conspiracy to bring the Wallabies to their knees LOL!
Yet to see one single article which congratulates the Scottish and their brave effort and stoic defense without inferring the only reason they won was because of Aussie ineptitude. Its highly disrespectful to a side that played with passion and slogged it out for a full 80 minutes and another 2 minutes after the siren.
Favorites don’t always win. Sometimes the underdog rises to the occasion and a little bit of humility from the Wallaby supporters in congratulating the Scots without making excuses would not go astray.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:42pm
HardcorePrawn said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
KD, that’s a common trick of the Australian media; witness how whenever Russell Crowe gets into some sort of trouble he suddenly reverts from being described as “Our Rusty” to “the Kiwi-born hellraiser” or “Australian-based New Zealander Russell Crowe”.