SPIRO: Grant is the All Blacks’ foxy selector
By Spiro Zavos, 8 Jun 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Grant Fox, All Blacks selector. Photo via http://www.theblues.co.nz/
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Grant Fox was a number 10 who didn’t have much pace. He never scored a try for the All Blacks. But like all great playmakers he was quick between the ears.
Hugo Porta might have come close to rivalling Fox in the rugby brains department but no one has ever out-rivalled him. Quite simply Fox was the smartest playmaker of his time, or any other time.
This smartness meant that he rarely played on a losing side. He was part of an Auckland side that won over 50 Ranfurly Shield challenge matches on the trot. And he was the guiding genius behind several great All Blacks sides, including the 1987 side that won the inaugural Rugby World Cup tournament in 1987.
This side has been rated with the 1905, 1924, 1956, 1965, 1996 and 2011 All Blacks as among the greatest New Zealand has put out in a Test.
When the New Zealand Rugby Union announced the All Blacks coaching panel for 2012/2013 it was notable (at least to me but strangely to few New Zealand rugby journalists) that there was something missing from it. That something was the lack of a former All Black somewhere in the system.
Some rugby train-spotter will know when there has been a selection/coaching panel for the All Blacks without a former All Black on it. I don’t ever recall it.
The trend for former All Blacks to serve as selectors and coaches of the All Blacks was set after the fabulous tour of the UK and France (with one loss to Wales with the disputed ‘Deans try’ incident) by the 1905 All Blacks.
Lloyd Jones has written one of the finest novels about sport about this tour, ‘The Book of Fame.’ Many of the best players from this team went on to coach the All Blacks.
Billy Wallace, the running fullback who set up the try scored by Bob Deans (the great grand-uncle of Robbie Deans), coached the All Blacks side that first played for and won the Bledisloe Cup in 1945.
Alec McDonald, a fiery forward in 1905, coached the ill-fated 1949 side that toured South Africa. The captain of that side took over the coaching because McDonald was past it. The series was lost 4 – 0 but that captain became New Zealand’s greatest coach, Sir Fred Allen. Sir Fred never coached a losing All Blacks side.
It is obvious from this brief survey that the new coaching regime of Steve Hansen and Ian Foster needed, if the history of the All Blacks tradition was to be honoured, that an All Blacks had to be brought in as part of the selction team.
They made, or perhaps it was the NZRU, someone made the shrewdest of choices to pick Grant Fox.
Fox is a gregarious, respectful person who loves a yarn and a discussion about tactics and new methods, rather like another All Blacks number 10, Earle Kirton, who was a clear-eyed selector when Laurie Mains (an All Black fullback) coached the side in the 1990s.
One of the interesting things that Fox has told journalists is that Ian Foster collates all the statistics. But neither he or Steve Hansen are over-concerned about what the statistics might say. They will watch a single player for an entire game to gauge how he is going. They prefer what they see to what the statistics might tell them.
I know this goes against the Moneyball theory. But it has been pointed out that the baseball team that was created by the Moneyball theories never won a World Series.
The All Blacks are not a side that settles for a sort of pragmatic useful series of performances, with ordinary players playing above themselves to achieve better than ordinary results.
The All Blacks, with a win ratio of 75% of all matches played, regard themselves as the most successful international rugby team in the history of the game, and possibly the most successful international sports team ever.
So when Fox is watching players, he is looking for players with potential for greatness rather than players who will play to a decent level on a consistent basis.
The selection of the first All Blacks side since the team won the 2011 RWC tournament is interesting when the Fox factor is considered. There are three new All Blacks, with two of them in my opinion destined for greatness.
They are Brodie Retalick, the giant second–rower who is being developed as the new Brad Thorn, a pushing, mauling, punishing tackler of a second-rower.
And Julian Savea, the star of the 2010 Junior World Cup and a big, fast clone of Jonah Lomu.
The third new player is Aaron Smith, the epitome of a New Zealand type, the cheeky Maori halfback. Fox said he pushed for Smith, ahead of AndyEllis, because Smith reminded him of Graeme Bachop, a slick-passing halfback in the 1990s for the All Blacks.
Smith is the best and quickest passer currently playing in New Zealand rugby right now, Fox says. He believes that the extra fraction of a second created by this passing for Dan Carter will allow the All Blacks potent backline to really attack their opponents.
I am not including Smith in the category of a potentially great All Black halfback because by this time next year the All Blacks halfback should be T G Perenana, the Hurricanes youngster who is destined to be the best New Zealand halfback since Dave Loveridge in the 1970s.
There is one other interesting selection for the side that will play Ireland at Eden Park on Saturday, and that is Victor Vito as the blindside successor of Jerome Kaino.
Vito’s game is based on thunderous running. But the selectors have told him they want a clone of Kaino, whose defensive work (remember the incredible tackle on Digby Ioane in the RWC 2011 semi-final) was a major factor in the All Blacks winning their second World Cup.
Adam Thomson has better form than Vito, but he will never be a great player, only a very good all-round loose forward. Vito, who is completing a law degree, has the potential to be the successor and more than of Kaino.
This is a potential that the selectors have opted for, in the tradition of the All Blacks.
All this is right now in the realm of theory. Ireland, as the Wallabies found to their cost during the 2011 RWC tournament, are the sort of side that can make a hash of theories.
This is going to be an interesting Test for all sorts of reasons.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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June 8th 2012 @ 2:50am
ScotandProud said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:50am | Report comment
Fox scored a try against Ireland in 1989 at Landsdowne Road, beat a man and grounded the ball with a vengeance. Wouldn’t have taken an expert in body language to see how he was feeling. Ref called play back for a dodgy decision ( I think he forgot to play advantage to NZ). Didn’t have to be psychic to read Fox’s mind at that moment in time..
June 8th 2012 @ 9:05am
justsaying said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
The try was disallowed because Sean Fitzpatrick had put his foot over the touch line while throwing in to a lineout way up field. The touch judge had put his flag out but the ref didn’t see it (obviously refs and touchies weren’t mic’d up back then). The ball boy ended up running on to the field to let the ref know about the infringement. It was great play by Fox though – probably one of the best tries never scored.
June 8th 2012 @ 2:06pm
Brad said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Watch the “good the bad and the rugby” ABs tour of the UK, classic…
June 8th 2012 @ 2:53am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:53am | Report comment
‘The All Blacks are not a side that settles for a sort of pragmatic useful series of performances, with ordinary players playing above themselves to achieve better than ordinary results.’
From recent history: Greg Somerville, Ben Franks, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Jerry Collins, Rodney So’oialo, Jimmy Cowan, Andy Ellis… Just a few names off of the top of my head. I would have thought the All Black concept was one of teamwork, and, as with all great sides, an established core of top players. You’ll never get 15 great players. Some players will never be great, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t vital to the team.
June 8th 2012 @ 2:08pm
Brad said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
How can you put Jerry Collins in that list? The guy was an AB super star! Just ask Collin Charvis…
June 8th 2012 @ 9:47pm
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:47pm | Report comment
He was physical and reliable, but pretty limited IMO.
June 8th 2012 @ 4:19am
Brett Susan said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:19am | Report comment
Jeepers Spiro have you been eating too much spanakopita again. Do yourself a little favor please and have a look at the 1986 Cavaliers tour and tell me who was the form flyer. Don’t stop there, have a look at 1980,1981, 1984 touring teams in South Africa, look at Ravigo’s remarkable improvements over the period, ask the Dallas Cowboys about a man who was far ahead of Sonny Bill’s time as an extraordinary sportsman who also played baseball for his country, was a scratch Golfer and provincial squash player….do all that without the kleftiko wafting into your office and you may perhaps somehow maybe concede that Grant Fox didn’t come close to Naas Botha- and don’t take my word for it, Grant Fox is on record as being in agreement.
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June 8th 2012 @ 11:25am
Olddantucker said | June 8th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Naas Botha? A man so gutless that he wore oversized shoulderpads and still managed to never tackle? A man so gutless he actually turned his back rather than tackle Doug Rollerson? Give us a break. Botha was a kicking machine (except when it really really counted at Eden park in 1981) but nothing more.
June 8th 2012 @ 7:48pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:48pm | Report comment
Say what you want about Botha, and a lot of it might be true. I have the Cavs series on tape, and Botha played all over Fox in those games.
It’s true Botha never tried to tackle… in fact he makes Quade Cooper look like Tim Horan. But he simply outkicked Fox on that tour.
The most amazing thing about Botha, to me, is how cool he was in his side’s 22. So often it seems as if he was in trouble, but he’s step, and kick off either foot, and gain tremendous metres.
He’s not my kind of 10, but what he did was play winning rugby.
It makes me a sad panda to think how Fox is so highly rated, yet many people don’t see Lynagh as his equal. How many games would Australia have lost if they didn’t have Noddy to combat Fox successfully?
June 8th 2012 @ 11:42pm
ScotandProud said | June 8th 2012 @ 11:42pm | Report comment
There’s a book on famous fly halves written pre-Dan Carter. It has Lynagh and Mark Ella as the best fly halves ever with Lynagh ahead on kicking. I don’t for a second think that people rate Fox higher than Lynagh (or barry John or Naas Botha hell John Rutherford was a more complete fly half) so much as celebrating a player whose influence was heavily underrated even when the 87/88/89 ABs side were steamrollering the rest of the rugby. As Colin Meads said “When you see players like John Gallagher and Craig Green breaking the line all that can be traced back to Foxy and his distribution skills”.
June 8th 2012 @ 11:12pm
Ian said | June 8th 2012 @ 11:12pm | Report comment
Have to agree with you. Best reader of the game I’ve ever seen. Danie Craven once said, “Give me Naas Botha and I’ll beat the world.” A year after the 1986 Cavalier’s tour, in the Currie cup final against the then Transvaal, playing for Northern Transvaal, in weather similar to the Wallabies Scotland game, Naas Botha single-handely won the game. The following days the newspapers’s headlines read, “Naas 24, Transvaal 18.”
The man was a rugby genius and was, in fact, instructed by his coaches not to tackle because he was considered so invaluable to the team. His loose forwards were given the task of covering for him.
I can understand Spiro’s bias being a former New Zealander, but Botha was better than Fox.
June 8th 2012 @ 6:14am
Sean said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:14am | Report comment
You’re wrong about Aaron Smith.. he will be our best halfback since Graham Bachop
June 8th 2012 @ 7:36am
Darwin Stubbie said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Mate SZ originates from Wgtn so of course he’s going to pump up the tyres of Perenana …. But as any self respecting Manawatu fan knows Smith has more than a little Donaldson about him – and we all know Donaldson was better than Loveridge
June 8th 2012 @ 12:15pm
kiwi said | June 8th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
As a ‘Naki boy, we may have to arm-wrestle over that one!
June 8th 2012 @ 6:04pm
Lucas said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
“Bullet” was from NPBHS and had a tall No 8 in Geoff Old as well as Bruce Middleton (All Blk) / David Willis on either flank to allow him to develop his pass at school.. The “Bullet” pass said it all back as an 18 year old. Trapper had a wet and windy weather pedigree and that won the important games for NZ when it counted. Taranaki had the same high class problem with Monkey Briscoe and Spider Urbahn in the Shield days. That translated to the national side as well.. Deja vu. Time will tell with Aaron Simth, but we like what we see.
June 8th 2012 @ 7:07pm
katzilla said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:07pm | Report comment
LOL, 3rd and fourth most important Hurricane territories fighting it out.
Meanwhile Hawkes bay is rolling out 3 Born and Bred in the line up. 4 Magpies from last year.
Black!, White! alright! Come on the bay.
June 9th 2012 @ 11:04am
kiwi said | June 9th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
kat
Got a Shield challenge this year? (Don’t seem to remember that last one going so well for you!)
But seriousy, HB are probably the second favourite team for many supporters – after their own home union. Like the Chiefs have historically been in Super Rugby – until the finals (when we all become Crusaders fans!!!)
June 8th 2012 @ 6:41am
mania said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
big call comparing aSmith to bachop. bachop was so much more than a just an excellent passer he had courage, fitness (fittest allBlack at the time.) and could access the situation in a split second. aSmith has a long way to being a gBachop but hope he does but its a long long road
June 8th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Brad said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
I think that was the point….he “will” be a good as Bashop; not that he is right now.
June 8th 2012 @ 6:55am
Ziggy said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
Smartest of any time? Really? I don’t think so but then all of us have our favourites and will defend them no matter what.
June 8th 2012 @ 7:36am
Taniwha said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Fox did score a test try actually , against Scotland from memory .
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June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am
Tumble Hill said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
He did indeed. they beat scotland 31-16 in the 1st test of 1990
June 8th 2012 @ 10:47am
Kane said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
http://www.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/match/22289.html
June 8th 2012 @ 7:43am
ohtani's jacket said | June 8th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Two things:
– The previous selectors used to watch a single player for an entire game, so that’s nothing new. Wayne Smith would often sit in the stands with a cam recorder following a single player on the field.
– The aspect of Moneyball that Smith and the selectors borrowed was that instead of looking at statistics like tackles completed and tackles made, you need to look at how effective those tackles really were and how much the player is actually contributing as a low error rate can mean a low contribution rate. It wasn’t about a small market team competing with larger market teams by finding players undervalued by the market and there’s obviously no draft.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:14am
Riccardo said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
“The previous selectors used to watch a single player for an entire game, so that’s nothing new. Wayne Smith would often sit in the stands with a cam recorder following a single player on the field.”
C’mon OJ, how do you know this stuff?
June 8th 2012 @ 8:20am
ohtani's jacket said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Because they used to show him doing it during Supet Rugby matches. Justin Marshall often commented on it.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:29am
Team Taniwha said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Smith even took a special camera, where he sat and filmed that particular player during a game which they showed from time to time on TV. Henry has mentioned numerous times in the past that he watched one player during a game. I remember before one of the end of year tours, there was one lock spot up for graps, and Henry watched Ross Fliipo and one of other selectors watched Jeremy Thrush.
June 8th 2012 @ 10:15am
Sprigs said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Don’t they also have some tiny electronic device in a little pocket on their back so they can track each individual?
I read a story about that sometime last year.
June 8th 2012 @ 10:18am
mania said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
yeah sprigs they have gps trackers sewn into their jerseys on the back at the top. look closely and u can kinda see them. tacks how far they run in the game
June 8th 2012 @ 4:55pm
Campbell Watts said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
Tracks more than just distance run – they track aceleration,time spent walking/running/sprinting etc.
Very high tech gizmo’s!
June 8th 2012 @ 8:52am
Atawhai Drive said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Grant Fox scored one Test try for the All Blacks, against Scotland in Dunedin on June 16, 1990. He also scored a try for the All Blacks against Japan B in Tokyo on October 21, 1987.
My favourite Fox moment was during a Ranfurly Shield match in 1987 when, playing for Auckland against (I think) Bay Of Plenty, he lined up a conversion attempt from the right-hand side of the field. As he moved in, the ball fell over. Fox picked it up and drop-kicked the conversion with his left foot.
I’m not aware of the Bledisloe Cup being contested in 1945. Perhaps there was an informal match between Australian and New Zealand soldiers on some blighted battlefield.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:44am
Chris said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
the ABs website has Billy Wallace as manager of the 1932 All Blacks, there was a 3-test series that year won 2-1 by NZ.
I think this is the first BC challenge/series, the NZRFU records show Lord Bledisloe donated the cup after the two teams played in 1931 so it was not at stake for that match, but was awarded, like a war medal, posthumously!.
After WWII their first game was in 1946.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:17am
Robert said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
“Billy Wallace, the running fullback who set up the try scored by Bob Deans (the great grand-uncle of Robbie Deans), coached the All Blacks side that first played for and won the Bledisloe Cup in 1945.”
Is either wrong or ambiguous.
The Bledisloe was first played for in 1931 when it was won by the AB’s. In 1932 it was won by the Wallabies, captained by Alec Ross.
Accordingly, by 1945 it had been both played for and won previously by the AB’s and the Wallabies.
What did you mean to say Spiro?
June 8th 2012 @ 10:36am
Chris said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
NZ won the 1932 series 2-1, lost the first 17-22 in Sydney and won the next two (Brisbane and Sydney)
Alec Ross was in the Australian BC-winning side of 1934 (25-11 and 3-3, both in Sydney)