RATHBONE: Wallabies loss due to more than just Scotland
The Wallabies were brought back down to earth by Scotland (AAP Image/Paul Miller)
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I made the point last week that the 2009 loss to Scotland was an anomaly. So imagine my surprise when yet another perfect storm of events conspired against the Wallabies on Tuesday.
A compressed preparation combined with players backing up after putting their bodies through the grinder only days earlier and truly abysmal weather were all stacked against the Wallabies.
So, while it’s fair to point out that we should have overcome these difficulties and found a way to produce a victory, let’s not ignore all the factors at play.
Most fans seem ever ready to slam the team and to a greater degree Robbie Deans and his staff. But as Phil Kerns rightly pointed out, the scheduling of Tuesday’s match by the ARU was at best reckless.
We have players who after Saturday will have played three matches in the space of seven days. In isolation this is barely tolerable but when considered in the context of a season 14 rounds deep it’s complete lunacy.
One can only hope that the Rugby Union Players Association moves to ensure future test scheduling better respects the players and the Wallabies Jersey.
Turning our attention to the Welsh it’s clear that Robbie Deans and his selectors have reverted to what they believe is their best line-up. Injuries to Superstars JOC, Beale and QC again underline our lack of depth in key positions.
These players are game breakers in the sense that they can turn a match single handedly. Having all three on the sidelines has significantly blunted our attacking potential.
But the side picked for Saturday is certainly capable of winning. After Tuesday there will be no lack of motivation and in some instances players will recognise that they are playing for their test futures.
The powers that be should be applauded for bringing a genuine tour to our shores. A test series of 3 matches should be encouraged because it captures the attention of rugby fans in a way that one off matches never do.
The Welsh are here on a mission. They arrived early ensuring that they will be physically prepared, they are the reigning 6 Nations champions and they will fancy their chances of achieving a historic series win in Australia.
The series also serves as a significant prelude to the 2013 Lions tour. The Welsh players have an opportunity to stick ‘gold stars’ alongside their names with strong performances in Australia.
One thing Australian rugby needs to do is begin fostering combinations. The All Blacks World Cup victory was founded upon a settled side and solid combinations, something our campaign was sorely lacking.
Our best 10, centre combination and one wing spot are all undecided. Injuries have meant that by the conclusion of the Welsh tour we will have moved few steps closer to solidifying our long term combinations.
Assuming the return of the aforementioned players here is what I believe comprises our best back-line:
9. Genia
10. QC
12. JOC
13. AAC
11. Digby
14. ?
15. Beale
The last wing spot is wide open, if Drew Mitchell returns fully fit he’s proven at test level and a good option. The other options exist in the newcomers to the Wallabies. Joe Tomane & Dom Shipperley both impressed during Super Rugby and both posses the genuine speed Robbie Deans favours.
All told these are just some of the very important and difficult selection questions that our selectors must answer over the next few months.
Former Wallaby Clyde Rathbone has returned to Super Rugby with the ACT Brumbies, following an injury-forced retirement from all forms in 2009. He writes guest columns for The Roar, and will blog his journey back to professional rugby in 2013.
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June 8th 2012 @ 3:20am
kingplaymaker said | June 8th 2012 @ 3:20am | Report comment
Excellent article: the ARU’s scheduling of this match terribly undermined their team and coach.
The ARU are fully aware of the drastic lack of depth in Australian rugby and so to schedule a match like this is suicide: they are the architects of the loss and should take the responsibility.
And what of the players, who will be judged on an international and in some cases their first cap when exhausted from the just completed Super round and inadequately prepared, and those who will have to back up twice in one week and be judged again? Do the ARU care about them? And injuries? Is it suprising Joe Tomane goes down in training the day after an international when normally he should be in recovery? Will any of the worn out players on saturday also succumb to injury?
The man who takes almost all the rap though is Deans: he hardly has the playing squad to beat international teams with everyone in place, but with a mass of injuries to key figures such as Cooper, Beale, JOC and now Tomane, to beat a team in these conditions is outrageous for the ARU to ask. The attack the Wallabies put out on saturday will be the weakest in years and with a partially exhausted team it will be a serious challenge (in terms of the backline I think Genia, Cooper, Ioane, JOC, Tomane, Vuna, Beale is the best attacking outfit and could be superb if they are ever fit at the same time, although this would involve Vuna sorting his defence out and Tomane moving a position, in fact he could also go 12 being bigger than JOC and JOC 13 which would be more complicated but maybe better).
June 8th 2012 @ 6:06am
mania said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:06am | Report comment
kpm – will saturday count as a test?
excellent article though. ARU need to have their heads examined. yes it was nice to throw scotland a lifeline who are down in the southPacific touring the island nations but so soon after a super weekend? would’ve been better to have it next week on a tuesday as then a lot of the super players who dont play wales this weekend would be rested. why didnt deans ask to have some of his front line players rested from super duty?
June 8th 2012 @ 4:09am
Brett Susan said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:09am | Report comment
Yirre boet, I remember as a laaitie how disappointed I was when you dropped us to play for the Aussies… I still think you would have had a world cup winners medal around your neck…. But thankfully your accent hasn’t changed and I think that if a good braai was going the boytjie in you would come out…. Nice articles btw
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June 8th 2012 @ 5:25am
wallaby fan said | June 8th 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
here here!
June 8th 2012 @ 2:15pm
Michael Clark said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Obviously, but I think you meant ‘hear, hear’!
June 8th 2012 @ 6:01pm
rugger bugger said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
don’t be that guy!!!!!!!!!!!
June 8th 2012 @ 5:34am
Viscount Crouchback said | June 8th 2012 @ 5:34am | Report comment
True enough, but northern hemisphere teams have been faced with this sort of crazy scheduling for years. It’s interesting to see how the southern hemisphere’s acclaimed dominance seems suddenly to dissipate when the boot is on the other foot.
June 8th 2012 @ 6:10am
Nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 6:10am | Report comment
Yeah that must be the reason for the “acclaimed dominance”‘ eh. All those ‘even playing field’ RWC winners medals floating around the NH are testament to that.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:21am
nickoldschool said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Am with you VC. SH coaches spend much more time with their troops than any other NH coach (things are changing now for rabopro12 nations though). When SH nations tour UK and France in November after having spent most of the last 4 months together, we don’t hear them saying admitting they have a huge advantage over NH teams who just gathered together the week before.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:54am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
actually when they tour NOV them haven’t seen each other for a couple of months. Thats not ideal I would’ve thought. Again, why are the NH winning the RWC then? or making the rankings look more even? or winning more June tests?
Is there any reason for this other than just the fact that the SH teams all live together and train 6 days a week all year and have invisibility cloaks and all the refs in their pockets?
June 8th 2012 @ 8:58am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Who hasn’t seen each other in a couple of months in November?
The WC isn’t helping your claims because by and large all WC finals have been contested by each hemisphere and have been very close. The WCs are the only time there is an even playing field.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Of course they’re close, it s world cup final. They always are. But who wins them?
Your definition of ‘not helping my claim’ is odd seeing as 1 out of 7 would suggest otherwise.
RWC isn’t the only time there’s an even playing field. This weekend is one. June v Nov is one as the tables are turned for each side with regards to season ending/season beginning.
And The southern sides haven’t seen each other for a couple of months by NOV. We hd the ITM cup in between the TN and the NOV tour. Most years the TN finished in Sep and we started the Nov tour in Nov. Last couple we’ve had the Hong Kong test before but thats a recent addition.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:25am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Well, if there was a huge gulf then surely this would be evident during WCs.
The SH sides have a build-up as a squad prior to the European tours. It’s the NH sides who basically just turn up to play in November.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
3Ns vs 6Ns (and Lions):
Amateur era:
This is also worth noting
228 W 103 L 22 D (64.6%)
Pro era:
213 W 51 L 6 D (78.9%)
Since 2008:
58 W 11 L 1 D (82.9%)
You really think those stats are simply due to ‘not an even playing field’?
June 8th 2012 @ 9:26am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
You hated Woodward? Take a chill pill. It’s a rugby site.
June 8th 2012 @ 4:43pm
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
It is evident during a RWC.
The SH have won 6 of them
The NH 1.
Thats not a gulf?
June 8th 2012 @ 9:03am
nickoldschool said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
nick, the system in place in England & France and in the south are completely different. National squads own the players here; clubs do in the north. SR season is 4 month-long here, players have more time to rest (between 3N and nov tours), get fit, prepare etc. Domestic season in Fr and Eng run form Aug to June. They play on average 10 more matches per year than their southern conterparts. In a 10-year long career, it takes its toll.
SH deserve thei rankings, no question. What am saying is that they are reasons for this success. If you thing they are just ‘born better players’ i think you are kidding yourself.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:21am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
They’re no born better players. They’re trained to be better.
NZ develops the best coaches in the world. Thats why Wales, Australia, Italy, Japan, England and a host of minnow nations and high flying European clubs have employed NZ coaches. Rugby in SA is much the same, they coach their players from childhood to play the game at a level that exceeds the NH. Hence the unrivaled dominance of the junior sides from NZ.
I agree that the system in the NH makes it more challenging for the players over their career but also its worth noting that under Woodward England developed a side of not young players who became world beaters. As much as I hate the guy he knew how to win with what he had. People don’t give enough credit to coaching in rugby. Its absolutely vital.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:41am
nickoldschool said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Although i dont completely disagree with you regarding kiwi coaches, I think systems in place are more important and crucial to SH dominance. They do everything possible to help their national squad (ultra-protectionism in clubs, i.e. no foreigners playing in their leagues, short seasons etc, we already spoke about that earlier). Why are celctic nations now cpopying this sysem with the rabo pro 12? because it works. Less matches, focus on big ones (HC), longer resting periods, no promotion/relegation in place that sucks the energy of players etc…IMO, Wales new era is as much the result of Gatland’s great coaching as this new system.
btw, would love ALL kiwi coaches to be more successful as the one we have here is no magician.
June 8th 2012 @ 3:24pm
AndyS said | June 8th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
A bit of poetic licence there VC – they break from the HC two weeks before the Tests start, not three days.
June 8th 2012 @ 4:45pm
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
Yeah i get what you’re saying there nickoldschool.
Im quite pleased not all kiwi coaches are doing well. I never thought Deans was the man for the Wallabies. During his tenure we have a powderpuff forward pack and and one point we selected virtually the entire Crusaders team to try and play Super Rugby styles at International level.
Sound familiar at all?
June 8th 2012 @ 8:04am
Rusty said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
A point here
Firstly, I am not saying the ARU aren’t stupid, including with their scehduling – that much is a given and they didnt do anyone any favours. They probably thought it would be a good training run for the B team before the serious stuff started. After all, how could you lose to Scotland at home when you have the cream of rugby talent at your disposal??. However, to say this is unusual and point to the mere 14 rounds as a long season is laughable.
Last year a full 18 rounds plus finals were played before any internationals. Ending on the 9th of July and Australia backed up 8 days later for a defeat to Samoa. In 2010 June 5 South Africa backed up after 6 days to play Wales IN Wales when most the their top players played the entire season and Super 14 final on the 29th of May (20 games). So backing up with short notice is hardly something new. Given that 66% of the squad were on a bye and had around 10 days to prepare this argument/excuse of short turnaround is a joke. Where it might have merit is when/if you go down to Wales this weekend although some teams like Samoa/Georgia etc might have other views. In the end you cant blame a poor game plan, lack of tactical nous and player inadequacy in key positions on a short turn around.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:11am
Sam Taulelei said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Love your work Rusty. You write with such clarity.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:20am
Rusty said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
thanks Sam. High praise indeed and I hope in no way induced by my push of Jack Lams credentials
June 8th 2012 @ 10:59am
Sam Taulelei said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Not at all, was hoping you’d realise my ironic turn of phrase with using the word “clarity”.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:28am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Some very good points raised there, Rusty.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:14am
kingplaymaker said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
‘After all, how could you lose to Scotland at home when you have the cream of rugby talent at your disposal?’ Do you have any idea how little depth there is in Australian rugby and how difficult it is to put out a regularly competitive first XV let alone a virtual second XV given the scheduling here?
June 8th 2012 @ 8:20am
Nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
It was Scotland.
It wasn’t NZ
It wasn’t ENG
It wasn’t SA
It wasn’t IRE
It wasn’t WALES
It was Scotland.
Players like
Digby Ioane
Anthony Faingaa
Berrick Barnes
Will Genia
Scott Higginbotham
David Pocock (c)
Nathan Sharpe
Stephen Moore
James Slippe
Adam Ashley-Cooper
Saia Faingaa
are hardly the kinds of players who should be losing to the six nations wooden spooners, you’re revising history to suit the loss. Most thought the Wallabies would win, thats because they should have.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:43am
kingplaymaker said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
If you watched the Six Nations you would realise that Scotland played some of their best rugby in years and are continuously improving, that they were fiercely motivated, that there was a gale which helps their forwards-based game where there best players are and in conditions with which they’re very familiar. Their playing numbers have increased by 50% in the past few years and they have beaten all the teams you listed except New Zealand.
Nor were those players you mentioned probably themselves three days after playing Super rugby.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:51am
Ben S said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Scotland didn’t play their best rugby in years during the 6N. It was a case of same old, same old under Andy Robinson. Typical revisionism to suit an agenda. Further, if you had actually watched Scotland then you would know that to suggest they play a forwards based game is totally incorrect (and actually contradictory to your suggestion that they had played their best rugby in years), and that they actually like to play an off-loading game.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:51am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
They got the wooden spoon did they not?
The game was played in Australia therefor it was ‘your’ weather they were in.
Fo gods sake stop making excuses. It wasn’t the weather nor the fact that the Scots were motivated. It was that your side was poor coached and lacked smarts.
Each one of those Aussie players would have played in NZ during terrible weather, tis year is the first year of the indoor stadium in Dunedin and its awful there at night in the winter not to mention the games played in invercargill or canberra on its off nights.
If they can’t get up for a test what are they doing there? three days after super rugby isn’t good of course but the fact remains….. THERE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF THESE TWO SIDES. Australia have no excuse for losing in that manner. It was mindless and poorly planned.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:02am
kingplaymaker said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Many of the teams down the ladder can beat the others if most of their players are drained from Super rugby three days earlier and they can’t select their best XV because of another match four days later, and they are effectively not prepared with one training session. Mountainous injuries and a once in 5 years gale are just a lot of bad luck, but the scheduling unfairly disadvantages the Wallabies to an extreme degree. Pretending this Australian team was given a normal chance is simply untrue and reflects the biased agenda of an All Black supporter.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:11am
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Rubbish KPM. Your mountain of excuses reflects the attitude thats getting your team into this mess. A bit of wind and some injuries but still some really top class players including the worlds best half back, the best fetcher and dominator of ruck time and some quality front rowers and locks you can’t beat the 6N wooden spooners at home?
It was a tough schedule yes, but so what? pick your best side and win the damn game, don’t rest them for the welsh test which is the real issue here. Pick em and win it. Thats the attitude of a ‘biased AB supporter’ WIN THE DAMM GAME. especially against a poor side like Scotland. You simply CANNOT lose to them.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:40am
kingplaymaker said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
nick you seem to have very little awareness of the problems Australia has with playing depth and refust to acknowledge the problems with scheduling which makes it nugatory telling you anything.
June 8th 2012 @ 11:26am
stillmatic1 said | June 8th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
yesterday you said that scotland were a joke of a team and shouldnt receive any praise at all!! now you change your tune (once again) to suit your delusions.
June 8th 2012 @ 4:48pm
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Problems of Australian rugby?
No no I’ve been very clear about them.
You’ve got a coach who doesn’t know where he’s at anymore and he’s lost his way. thats a big problem for Australian rugby.
Jake White, Henry or Clive woodward would’ve got more out of this Aussie team than deans has.
Why?
Because they are better coaches who know how to plan for a coherent system that their team can employ that will win test matches and not play a super style of flash.
Henry learned this the hard way and Deans has, thus far, refused to take the lesson
June 8th 2012 @ 8:33am
Rusty said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
That line was written from an ARU perspective. A perspective most would have agreed with considering it was #2 vs #12, effectively putting Scotland below
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
4(4) ENGLAND 83.62
5(5) WALES 83.32
6(6) FRANCE 81.91
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.28
8(8) IRELAND 79.85
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SAMOA 75.81
11(11) ITALY 74.17
On that basis you are probably lucky the might of Italy didnt tour
June 8th 2012 @ 10:51am
Ben Farell said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
How the hell are tonga ninth they get beaten by Canada for ffs.
June 8th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Jutsie said | June 8th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
but they also beat france
June 8th 2012 @ 8:23am
Red Kev said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Clyde,
I am interested by your evaluation of our “best” backline.
Specifically the omission of Christian Lealiifano and Ben Tapuai, the two form backs of the Australian Super Rugby teams until they got injured, at least in my estimation. Similarly I am confused by your inclusion of AAC in the centres. Although I disagree with him on many points I agree with kingplaymaker that AAC has been in decline for two years now and should no longer command a starting berth for the Wallabies (I believe his experience and versatility make him very powerful as a bench back – a role that JOC may also end up filling in the future if he cannot nail down a specific spot soon).
I would personally rate Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Lealiifano, Tapuai, JOC, Beale as the “best” Australia can offer. At least until some of the younger players (Tomane, F’Sautia for example) get some more seasoning at Super Rugby level.
I guess I am just curious as to your thinking regarding those specific players you included/omitted.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:25am
Nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Lealiifano, Tapuai, JOC, Beale would be some of the best the world could offer i would have thought. So much talent in that backline.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:17am
Rhino said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
That would be a great backline. Waht a shame 5 out of those 7 are injured/unavailable. Mitchell in full flight would push for inclusion and maybe push JOC to bench as he has more utility value.
June 8th 2012 @ 2:29pm
KiwiDave said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Rugby is a 15 man game. What I find funny is whenever an Australian is talking up their side, its always the back line. Wheres the forwards aside from Pocock?
June 8th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Red Kev said | June 8th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
Well considering Clyde was a winger he’s probably more qualified to discuss the backs.
There is also the fact that the Wallabies are missing at least 6 players to injury who would be in the 10 backs for a first choice team.
In the forwards the only players missing with injury are Horwill and Vickerman.
June 8th 2012 @ 4:51pm
nick said | June 8th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Elsom was a very good player, so is stephen moore. Sharpe was pretty damn good the other night. He’s always been consistent. Robinson is already one of the best scrummagers around.
If they’d been better coached I think they could have done a great deal more with their talent.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rath said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
RK, I should have mentioned that by ‘best’ I’m referring to what we can muster for the Rugby Championship and possibly spring tour. Christian’s form was so good I think he deserved to be included, once he’s fully fit he will push Quade hard for 10 or possibly swap with JOC @ 12. I’m a big believer in a ball playing 10/12 combination, without which it’s difficult to play with the width that best suits an attacking style.
The backline you’ve put looks good, but when will they have time to develop combinations? It’s important to consider the big picture and not simply the ‘best’ player in each position.
Re AAC, I’m sure coops would be the first to admit his Super Rugby form has been poor when contrasted with his Wallaby performances. The fact is he’s world class and for a host of reasons he always plays better for the Wallabies than he does his provincial side, this has been evidenced for many years. He can play anywhere bar 9 & 10 but he deserves to be settled in one position finally. Given a decent run at 13 I think he will be great for the Wallabies. That said Horn is much better than most give him credit for, he has all the attributes of an excellent 13, he needs to find a combination with a creative 12.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:38am
Red Kev said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Thanks for taking the time to post a response, as always you make a lot of sense.
June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am
rl said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Clyde, another though-provoking article. In State of Origin the selected players are held out of the preceding round – it’s glaringly obvious that we should be doing the same (at the very least). Tuesday’s team toiled away manfully, but the limited cohesion was completely obvious to all.
June 8th 2012 @ 10:32am
Snobby Deans said | June 8th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
rl – good point re the players. So that points to a failing of the ARU and/or Super 15 franchises by not realising the short turn-around time and trying to minimise the impact.
The matches are all scheduled by the IRB, not the ARU. Sure, the ARU would have some part to play and input, but it’s not them solely. Short turnaround times were the norm for the lesser teams at RW2011, but it was a reality and most played the hand that they were dealt.
Test matches are just that – Tests. Tests of coaching, players, tactics, commitment, desire, ability, depth, etc etc. Scotland played the team put out to in front of them and they won. Good on them for getting the win. If the ARU/Wallabies were serious about getting the win, they would have played their best team. They tried to do a balancing act given they play Wales tomorow, and it may have backfired – I say may, as there’s no guarantees that an ‘A’ team would have won. I assume it was an ‘A’ team that lost to Scotland in ’09?
Must be getting close to time to draw a line in the sand and move on.
June 8th 2012 @ 11:49am
stillmatic1 said | June 8th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
wasnt in the scrum or lineout though, rl. and the game was never going to be an exhibiton of cohesion due to the weather. however, it is an absolute cop out with soooo much possession and territory in the 2nd half to not take advantage. with all this supposed lack of time together, how did they manage to control a whole half of football in the oppositions own half? it was a performance on par with the abs 07 loss to france in regards to playing smart and taking the opportunities on offer. not a single thing to do with the supposed lack of training time together and just another convenient excuse to explain away a loss and taking credit away from the scots (who are 12th for gods sake and had to travel and are a young team and havent played in a while and and and).
fact is, good teams will find a way to win in any circumstance and trying to lay blame elsewhere all in the guise of “facts” is quite frankly, very poor. good teams under any circumstances will take advantage of a mountain of possession in the attacking zone aswell, so either the wallabies are a good team or they are not.
i wonder if any of the players involved are complaining about the lack of training time together? or are they actually taking ownership of their own performances? or are they blaming every one and thing else like so many roarers are doing at the moment?
what happened to “but we are number 2 in the world” and all that chatter?
p.s. i fully expect the jekyll and hyde team to do a number on wales this weekend, although id prefer to see wales win and some honesty get drilled into the oz rugby public. jekyll and hyde team and jekyll and hyde fans, made for each other!!
June 8th 2012 @ 1:24pm
rl said | June 8th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Of course you can play a cohesive match in those conditions. I’d argue that one team played more cohesively than the other.
It’s not that hard (for players at this level) to at least hold their own in scrums (although I’m not even sure we did that) or win simple lineout plays. What’s hard is developing the trust and combinations to have a crack at some higher risk plays. It’s not that hard (for players at this level) to park yourself in the oppositon’s half with a howler at your back and playing a possession game. What’s hard is converting the (very limited because of the conditions) opportunites to create scoring chances, which only comes from practice, application and cohesion. Look at how disjointed they were even running the most simple ruck ball. The false starts and pauses killed momentum and were the difference between making the advantage line and breaking the advantage line. What’s also hard is keeping your defence intact and being disciplined enough as a group to not give away crucial penalties, which again comes from practice, application and cohesion.
BTW I haven’t yet heard one player or Dingo lay the blame on the preparation. The general tone has been (once you get past Dingo’s unintelligible rubbish): the better team won.
Yes, you are right, good teams do find a way to win in the face of any circumstances. Look at the ABs with their injury woes at RWC, and the battle in the final. But the emphasis is on ‘team’ – Tuesday saw a quickly thrown together collective of players who had limited opportunities to forge a ‘team’. Another week of solid preparation may not have altered the outcome, but in the context of what was a 3 point loss, it might have just given us the one percenter that could have made the difference – less hesitation, or a couple of extra metres gained here or there, or creating a chance from a half-chance.
What’s your beef with the fans anyway? Don’t base your judgement of people on the ill-informed website ravings of passionate idiots such as myself. People have opinions, and they can be fickle. This may come as a newsflash to you, but its been that way since the dawn of man. I assume (hope!) from your last paragraph that you are not a Wallabies supporter, but wouldn’t you prefer just to see a cracking game of rugby regardless of the outcome? Most fair-minded kiwis and saffas I know (and that is most of them) will in that situation favour one side, but at the end of the day despite any “trash talk” they just like to see good rugby. I know that’s what I like to see when my team isn’t playing.
June 8th 2012 @ 2:09pm
stillmatic1 said | June 8th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
point is, the abs (07 WC) played exactly the same way and THEY were a settled TEAM at the time (injuries aside). so its an absolute nonsense to suggest that lack of training time had a large effect on the result of the scotland game. if any team can stutter like that when they have been together for a while, then it can happen at anytime, to any team.
just watched boston v miami and this further illustrates my point. the boston team had a bad night, but they are the more cohesive unit in terms of time together. problem for the wallabies is that this has become a habit and can not simply be excused by lack of training time together. its not in their DNA!!
you cant seriously argue that it is easier for a cobbled bunch of players to perform better in the scrum and lineout but not in the pick and drive game!? i was never a forward, but i cant imagine all those hours wasted at scrum training was for the boys to play cribbage!! and yet, DESPITE the lack of training the scrum and lineout went quite well (final 2 notwithstanding!!). geez, i can remember running with the boys in our touch comp and putting some nice plays on without even worrying about having training during the week. i would assume that such things would be almost second nature, and certainly for a professional sportsman. hell, even now, in our c grade basketball team we run numerous plays without any training time at all. so you’ll forgive me if i dont jump on the bandwagon and pass the blame onto the aru or some other 3rd party.
didnt actually say i didnt want to see a good game of rugby (thats why i had an each way bet!!), just pointing out the nature of the average rugby fan in australia and the propensity to be either extremely high or really low. i call it mike tyson syndrome (for those who have seen his docu-movie). in reality i dont really care who wins, but its always fun to stick it to the few wallaby fans at work!! choke choke choke
just cut out the excuses and have the opinions based on something material and not some conspiracy, is all i am suggesting. we cant have too many KPMs in here, can we?
June 8th 2012 @ 1:23pm
stillmissit said | June 8th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
The ARU call made a big call, a difficult one but not impossible and had a couple of things gone our way…….
If you are as fit as these guys and play mostly 60mins or less of rugby (ie a 3rd grade game time in club footie) you should be jumping out of your skin 3 days later.
I think that 90% of the problem is in their heads and who knows what goes on in there???????
June 8th 2012 @ 1:25pm
rl said | June 8th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
not a great deal based on some of their twitter postings!!!
June 8th 2012 @ 9:20pm
El Gamba said | June 8th 2012 @ 9:20pm | Report comment
Some good points, well written!