Genia fires up Wallabies to vital win over Wales
By David Lord, 10 Jun 2012 David Lord is a Roar Expert
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When Will Genia is at his electrifying best, the Wallabies win, as they did last night, 27-19 over Wales at Suncorp.
The Wallaby half-back treated the 42,788 at the ground, and millions of television viewers worldwide, to another of his long-range signature tries at Suncorp, his third on the trot, made many incisive bursts, and finally threw a perfectly timed pass to centre Pat McCabe to score the game-clinching try under the posts.
Man-of-the-match magic.
And not far behind was captain David Pocock, with his signature pilfering, and faultless defence. He was everywhere for 80 minutes, leading from the front.
Little wonder there was the hint of a smile from beleaguered Wallaby coach Robbie Deans, and deservedly so. His future seemed very bleak after the shock 9-6 loss to Scotland in atrocious conditions at Newcastle last Tuesday night.
Last night, the resolve, faith, and momentum that went MIA against the Scots returned – with interest.
And for seven Waratahs, the huge relief to walk off Suncorp with a “W” against their name after a record six successive losses for the men-in-blue, among a record 10 losses in a season.
But there was a 12-minute window from the 51st to the 63rd where the Wallaby resolve and faith was severely tested. The Six-Nations Grand Slammers fought back from 20-6 to 20-19, with 17 minutes left on the clock.
Wales had grabbed the momentum.
That’s when the Wallabies are at their most vulnerable: trying to snap out of going off the boil, and regroup. Last night they did just that, and were justly rewarded with their victory.
Genia and Pocock apart, winger Digby Ioane went on the prowl looking for work, and was not only successful in finding it, but making full use of the ball in hand.
Fly-half Berrick Barnes mixed up his options very well, kicking less, running more, or feeding supports.
Inside-centre McCabe silenced his knockers with a all-round powerhouse display.
Blind-side flanker Scott Higginbotham was tireless, and scored the first try, using his size and immense strength. But he looks better suited to No 8.
Benchman Michael Hooper must switch to blind-side flanker.
Full-back Adam Ashley-Cooper had his best game in yonks, despite limited opportunities.
Debutant winger Cooper Vuna had even less opportunities. But he proved he has jet boots. He is extremely quick. More use should be made of his speed.
And the all Waratah front row of Benn Robinson, Tatafu Polota-Nau, and Sekope Kepu, with just 91 caps between them, more than held their own with the 182-capped Welshman Gethin Jenkins, Ken Owens, and evergreen Adam Jones.
The Wallaby question marks?
Outside-centre Rob Horne bombed a certain try by hogging with Ashley-Cooper unmarked outside him, and did little else except for the odd tackle, while locks Nathan Sharpe and Rob Simmons were quiet, so too No 8 Wycliff Palu.
And Polota-Nau must never be allowed to feed the lineout. Anyone but TPN.
That’s how the Wallabies rated, but expect Wales to come back with a vengeance next week in Melbourne.
Normal coach Warren Gatland is expected in the southern capital, seemingly recovered from breaking both ankles in a fall. Rob Howley coached Wales last night.
But he’s no Gatland, one of the best in the business.
Huge lock Luke Charteris, 126kgs and 207cms, a tick over 6ft 9, will be a handful with a game under his belt. So too skipper Ben Warburton who had a big battle with Pocock, but lost out to the Wallaby skipper.
Class pivots Mike Phillips and Rhys Priestland were quiet last night, but they are capable of so much more in Melbourne.
And if George North can recover from a cork that forced him off the field last night before half-time, then his partnership with co-winger Alex Cuthbert will keep the Wallabies on their toes. Both wingers are super quick.
So the Wallabies lead 1-0 in the three-Test series. Last night was an important one to win for countless reasons.
The next big ask now is for two in a row.
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June 10th 2012 @ 7:13am
Rob said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Three observations:
1) AC at least runs the ball back from a kick and in terms of overall field position seems to be no worse off than when the ball is kicked back. At the same times Aust. retained possession
2) Genia is not a complete player. Sure there are flashes of brilliance but his attempts at box kicks and a lack of confidence to hang onto the ball in attack rather than kick it are real negatives. I don’t know if he actually redas a game that well.
3) At times Barnes kicks aimlessly just giving the ball back to oppo. Again no confidence in the players around him
June 10th 2012 @ 7:33am
p.Tah said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Genia is not a complete player? Box kicks, lack of confidence to run the ball. Really?
… And Barnes didn’t kick aimlessly last night.
June 10th 2012 @ 8:32pm
wallaby fan said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
Rob
Support another game. Maybe league?
June 10th 2012 @ 9:26pm
Bort said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:26pm | Report comment
Nah, Genia reads the game pretty well. He knows when his forwards and wingers are standing around like cows and won’t offer him anything, so he kicks it. That linebreak he made to score a try, that was all Digby Ioane – he ran from depth and drew the defenders who would have been marking Genia. But the Wallabies are too lazy to do this on every play.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:52pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:52pm | Report comment
Not to take away much from Genia’a MOTM performance, but yeah he needs to work on box kicking.
Good player, and one of the Wallabies most key players though.
June 11th 2012 @ 3:03am
Handles said | June 11th 2012 @ 3:03am | Report comment
Why does he need to work on his box kicking? He is the best in the world at it.
June 10th 2012 @ 7:31am
Internal Fixation said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:31am | Report comment
I realise this article was probably written early this morning but it is Sam (not Ben) Warburton, isn’t it?
June 10th 2012 @ 7:43am
Benson said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
One word GUTSY!
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June 10th 2012 @ 7:45am
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
I thought Alexander outpointed Robinson as a loosehead, but I still think Holmes would be better, starting with Moore and Palmer, with Kepu on the bench.
Higginbotham still needs more work on his scrum before he is ready to be the Wallabies no.8 but given the full 80 it was great to see him play so well, he and Pocock pushed the game tempo beyond what the Welsh could play in the first half.
It was noticeable from 50 mins that some of the forwards began to tire and Barnes started to kick more.
The second row misses Horwill. Great opportunity for someone to really grab a spot.
Vuna was shocking, he missed 4 tackles before he made one. His selection was a disgrace.
Horne, Vuna, Robinson should all make way for the next match. And the second row should be tinkered with too.
But a great game from the Wallabies, Genia and Barnes controlled the game well, but they were allowed to because the Welsh forwards and backrow in particular were out-played.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Red Kev – Absolutely agree with you on Vuna. His defence is woeful. It seems odd to pick him with so many other strong wing options around. I like what he can add in attack with hsi evasive running, but that tackling technique is just horrendous. Give me Shipperley, Gerard, The honey badger, Mitchell, Morahan, Lucas, all before him.
In my opinion Berrick Barnes has massive confidence problems, he is playing like a Northern Hemisphere 10 by standing ridiculously deep. The same way everyong used to fall for Johnny WIlkinson’s game everyone seems to have fallen for Barnes’ performance last night. Good Australian 10s have always stood very flat, it puts them under a great deal of pressure but creates incredible opportunities for your outside and inside men to be put through a hole. Barnes standing in depth also makes kicking for him a very easy and attractive option. While i agree with the people who are saying Barnes played better, what 10 wouldn’t have played well with Genia’s performance last night. Simply sensational. I personally think Barnes was very average.
June 10th 2012 @ 10:22am
Behold said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Last night Barnes was standing deep behind the forward runners than making his way to the outside. All of Australia’s attacking potency was coming from deep, with Vuna, AAC and Ioane. It was very well structured considering they only had one training session together. It would work even better if there was a play-maker in 12 who was flat outside the forwards or if there was a play making fullback. Barnes did extremely well considering the halves were the only play makers on the field.
Genia was good last night but we could have come away with more points if he dropped it back to Barnes a few times in the second half for a field goal. It was good to see Genia back to his best though.
Moore should start next game, and the lock combination isn’t quite working. I think Vuna benefited from the short turn around and the hope Wales hadn’t done their homework on a player that was fairly unlikely to play. They will know his weaknesses next game, and he will be exposed even further if he is picked again. I’d have Gerrard he has been amazing for the Rebels this year, but from the squad I think it has to be Shipperley, with Morahan/Lucas to come onto the bench instead of Harris. If Lucas comes onto the bench Deans would have to seriously consider replacing White with a Lock.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Elisha Pearce said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
I thought Barnes stood in good positions in the first half. It was the second half that Barnes started to fall deeper into the pocket. It was probably a lack of confidence when his forwards were slowing down. He was aware the ball was coming much slower and that meant the defence was coming much quicker.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t stand flatter, he should definitely come up a few metres. But to me it kind of matched his forward tiring out.
I liked how Wales used their bench last night. There isn’t any reason to keep the same starters on when down 14, as soon as that happened he sent 3 reserves straight on. Good management. I think the ruckwork they did was responsible for that 10-15min period of dominance they achieved.
If you want to talk about a person who needs to stand flatter and come forward – see Rhys Priestland! He was so deep for the first half. It wasn’t possible for them to attack properly except of turnover ball! In that period where his forwards really took over he stood flatter. Not just that though, he moved forward onto the ball. This really opened up his wide men. I liked those flashes and expect more of them next week.
June 11th 2012 @ 9:43am
Rugby Diehard said | June 11th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Behold – “All of Australia’s attacking potency was coming from deep, with Vuna, AAC and Ioane.”
I have no idea what you even mean by this – are you suggesting that Barnes standing so far behind the advantage line somehow helped the attack of Messrs Vuna, AAC, Ioane (and of course his centres) I just can’t even begin to understand how you can help your outside men as a 10 by ctaching the ball so far back. You attract all the backline defence who have plenty of time to move up as one line and then you attract a second line of defence in the backrow because you have not gotten in behind the defence. Were you brought up on a staple of 10 man rugby in the UK per chance.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:09pm
Elisha Pearce said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Do you watch the forwards mainly Red Kev?
What about this Lordie line? “And the all Waratah front row of Benn Robinson, Tatafu Polota-Nau, and Sekope Kepu, with just 91 caps between them, more than held their own..”
I think the ‘more than’ is a bit over the top. Probably held their own. But nothing more. We actually looked better when Alexander and Moore came on. Kepu was solid but quiet too. Best front row a combination of Palmer, Kepu, Slippre and Moore?
June 10th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Yeah mainly the forwards and Genia’s service.
I ignored it (that line) as typical Australian press hyperbole, any time our scrum isn’t penalised for collapsing half a dozen times is counted a win by most of the Australian rugby press.
The scrum held up okay but didn’t get the better of the Welsh, the only scrum penalty went against Kepu and I honestly think had there been more scrums the Wallaby scrum would have splintered under the pressure.
Kepu faded hard but then he also had to conserve himself as he knew he was playing the full match once Alexander came on for Robinson. TPN was good I thought but again his fitness only allowed him to play 40-50 effectively. Robinson was honestly disappointing in general play.
Simmons was far too quiet, the second row needs some tinkering. The problem is that without Horwill Australia doesn’t have a genuine 80-minute lock. Neither of the Waratah’s locks can play a full match, nor can Sharpe. Simmons maybe in the future but now he’s more effective for half a match. Pyle would be a big gamble.
Palu was quiet by the standard we want of him, but I thought played pretty well. Pocock and Higginbotham were the standouts from the pack, they were everywhere and comprehensively outplayed Warburton and Lydiate.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Elisha Pearce said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
I thought Palu was a bit quiet too. But every time he carries he dents the line and gives a chance for quick ball. You want that in your 8.
I agree re the scrum. I’m an ex-hooker when I played back in my day. Watching the scrum, it seemed to get looser and looser. LIke their prop would be able to walk into our second row soon. Just sa well we didn’t knock on much.
June 10th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Behold said | June 10th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
I am looking forward to the trial of a having an entire front row on the bench. Would have been good to replace the Waratahs front row with the Brumbies front row with 20 to go.
June 10th 2012 @ 8:30am
Who Needs Melon said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
I know I’ll get shot down for this – that a team win is always more than one person, it was won in the forwards, etc. – but for me that win was all about Genia. Much as I’ve liked Nic White this season – and no disrespect to him – but would we have won this one with him on? Genia was just amazing but I’d say still only ALMOST back to his best.
Well done to all the Wallabies though because it was a good team performance – everybody held their own and did their jobs well.
Wales will bounce back from that. I think they are a cracking team and were in for a great series here.
June 10th 2012 @ 8:49am
stillmissit said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
WNM: Genia was at his very best last night but there was a time early in the second half when he went back to slowing the ball and pointing, I thought ‘we are dead’ and the Welsh came back to within a point. Then the revival! – that was one of the best signs I have seen from the Wallabies for a very long time, in the last 10 years when they go down they stay down.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:14am
justsaying said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
The Wallabies need to sort out these naps they keep taking mid-2nd half. This game was somewhat reminiscent of the tri-nations ‘final’ last year, where the Wallabies blew a 17-point lead over the ABs and needed some individual brilliance in the dying minutes to finish the ABs off. Last night the Wallabies similarly had Wales on the ropes at 20-6 and let them back in. I think that’s the big work-on for the rest of the series.
June 10th 2012 @ 8:53am
stillmissit said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Can we please have some congratulations for Berrick Barnes. His game was one of control and aggression, creativity and excellent defence. I thought behind Genia and Pocock he was best on the park.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:43am
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
stillmissit – “Can we please have some congratulations for Berrick Barnes.”
Not from me mate. Australian Rugby does not need a 10 who takes the ball 10m behind the gain line like a Johnny Wilkinson (the most overrated 10 to ever play the game). Give me a 10 who takes the ball on the gain line like a Larkham or Cooper, creating opporunties to put a man through a hole. Barnes’s first thought at the moment is to kick. I thought he was very average ,but if we have to give him accolades because he didn’t kick every time he had the ball then I will go along with you. He was better than he has been but has miles to go before he is a solution at 10 to beat the Boks and ABs.
June 10th 2012 @ 10:10am
Dasher said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
It’s because Barnes is a 12 not a 10. He just wants to play 10. Remember when he was at the Reds, he was wrestling for the 10 jersey from Cooper, but at the end of the day Barnes played better at 12 and so was selected for the Wallabies as a 12.
The cupboard is bit bare for flyhalves at the moment, so I don’t have a very good suggestion for a different 10. I once though Lucas could be good there, but it probably is better for the team to stick with Barnes until the three unwise men, Cooper, Beale and JOC, come back. Barnes wasn’t that bad after all.
June 10th 2012 @ 10:43am
stillmissit said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Rugyb diehard: I didn’t suggest that he is the answer but you have to admit the drop goal and the kick across field were things we do not see from the Wallabies and I believe it is that kind of thinking that can win us games instead of driving it up until we lose it or taking an age to get it out.
Cooper is the most creative 5/8th we have had since Ella but with no real aggression (just a cat attitude) and zero ability in his defence he is like his idol Carlos Spencer, more of a liability than an asset at international level. O’Connor and maybe more so Beale are our best potential for a great 5/8.
All in all Barnes last night played far better than Cooper in the World Cup and frankly I don’t want a key player who cant stand up in the big games, at least Barnes has the balls for international rugby.
June 10th 2012 @ 10:59am
Jutsie said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
On the money stillmissit, after the amount of negativity thrown his way from most supporters (including me) I thought barnes really played well, lets not forget he has also played 240 minutes of rugby in one week, thats real commitment to the gold jumper!
I didnt see the aimless kicks that everyone else is talking about, for me his tactical kicking was almost back to its best yesterday, he really had the welsh backline guessing with his mix of bananas, grubbers, low kicks, up and under, kick to the corners etc. He took it to the line and through good inside balls aswell.
He may not be the answer at 10 we all players are fit (for me its Leiliafano as I want beale and JOC in their best positions) but he won’t do us any harm if he plays like that consistently.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:25am
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Stillmissit – I agree there were definitely some good things he did last night (the 2 kicks you mention), however, I don’t agree that he threw many good balls. My entire point is that it is easy to throw a half decent pass when you play so far behind the gain line but this rarely creates try-scoring opportunities. The fact remains that Genia created the opportunities with his flat running, sniping and passing on the gain line and even he too kicked it away a few times unnecessarily, but when you create as much as Genia does it is easy to forgive these indiscretions. I believe Barnes is good enough to play this type of game but he is so low on confidence right now that he can’t or won’t try this game, why on worth would you pick a guy who is so horribly out of form for the national side. Yes, I know the 10 options are thin on the ground but we must have a guy playing on the gain line to put the flat runners like Ioane, Mccabe and Horne through the holes. I
would add that I actually like Barnes and hope he proves me totally wrong next week, but I will be surprised if we see a change like that in his game.
June 11th 2012 @ 3:07am
Handles said | June 11th 2012 @ 3:07am | Report comment
Quade is a great cross field kicker…
June 10th 2012 @ 8:54am
Willus said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Few points:
- What was wrong with TPN’s line-out throwing? I thought he only butchered 1 throw with it not being straight.
- Red Kev: I think it was also because there was a bit of rain that Barnes started kicking more, also it seems he has a tendency to like to play field position when they have a lead.
- Genia was a heavy influence but boy if the forwards can keep up that kind of effort, a lot of teams would be able to snatch victory.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:01am
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
To me it was symptomatic of Waratah disease.
At 50 minutes Palu, TPN, Robinson, Kepu and Sharpe all began to tire badly, it was noticeable that the intensity in the forwards began to drop off and 4 of those were Waratahs. Barnes also started to kick. Maybe it was the rain, but to me it looked like Waratah brain fade.
Thankfully Deans brought on fresh legs (although still 10 mins too late) and the Wallabies were able to rally.
It was very noticeable that the two fitter (non-Waratah forwards) in Pocock and Higginbotham were able to keep up their work rate and intensity for 80 minutes despite having played on Tuesday. Simmons however was too quiet for my liking.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:38am
eagleJack said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Yes Red Kev it was the Waratahs players who lost us that match. Oh wait….
June 10th 2012 @ 11:42am
formeropenside said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
well they tried to lose it, and without Genia they would have
June 10th 2012 @ 8:54am
mikeylives said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
I know Kafe roasted Barnes for the grubber on the 22, but it looked like a great option to me – the Welsh were rushing up and no-one in behind and the Oz backs seemed ready to pounce. Took an unlucky ricochet, so Kafe could give his 2 cents.
June 10th 2012 @ 8:58am
Uncle Argyle said | June 10th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
David,
I think Cliff Palu was OK. Sure Higginbotham scored the try and got down low and drove for the line however he should run that low more in general play. It is my one citicism of him is that he runs a bit tall which may be a problem for us in the future.
Genia outplayed Mike Phillips and had several wonderful moments but there was some aimless kicking and times he went away from his support and ran at superior numbers.
Barnes played better however there was still some aimless kicking.
Horne & Vuna had patches of decent play but bombing tires and missing tackles are not acceptable and need to be rectified. I think Anthony Fainga’a would be better suited with a Dom Shipperly, Nick Cummins, Luke Morahan or Joe Tomane on the wing.
I thought AAC was sound positionally most of the match and was OK generally.
TPN was motivated but as per useual knoeck himself out and his line out was poor.
I still think there is room for Greg Holmes in that front row but generally the pack was pretty good.
I may be wrong but at no stage did we really threaten their set piece.
But a win is a win so lets be thankful for that and move on.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:07am
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
The try was neither here nor there, any of the forwards could have scored it.
What I liked about Higginbotham was that he was working. In the first 90 seconds of the match he had made a tackle and been first man in to another breakdown as well as being involved in a third.
Despite playing on Tuesday he also had enough in the tank to make a covering tackle on a winger in space at the 76 minute mark.
That sort of work is what any team wants out of their loose forwards.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:53am
Blue Blood said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
I feel that Higgers contributed in spurts but also managed to go from breathers second from the wing on multiple occasions. Easier to make 80 look good if you are giving yourself time out with the backs. He does generally still run too upright into tackles. He has had time to rectify these traits out of his game and has not done so. I think that what we see is all that he offers. It isn’t enough for me.
June 10th 2012 @ 1:31pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
See post a few down from 1:24 – you’re talking crap sorry.
June 10th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Blue Blood said | June 10th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Are you by any chance a family member of Higgers? Your support and enthusiasm is not based on the games I have seen Higgers play to date. And my opinion on this is not held by me alone. You are welcome to disagree but saying what I say is crap is a tad emotional for a sports blog.
June 10th 2012 @ 4:03pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
I posted a host of stats, I just didn’t want to repost them – hence the reference to my other post.
40 distinct involvements (including lineouts and scrums) in 40 minutes, that is a good sustained effort, not spurts.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:41pm
Uncle Argyle said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Fair point RK. I am a fan of SH and gald he is in the team but just think somtimes he runs too tall.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:52pm
PeterK said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:52pm | Report comment
palu made more tackles and hit more rucks and matched runs in 60 mins to higgs in 80. So higgs did take breathers whilst palu worked hard in tight.
June 10th 2012 @ 10:31am
Behold said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Agreed I think Holmes is out of favour just because of his age and wasn’t a Robbie Deans ‘discovery’.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:04am
Blue Blood said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
“Horne & Vuna had patches of decent play but bombing tires and missing tackles are not acceptable and need to be rectified. I think Anthony Fainga’a would be better suited with a Dom Shipperly, Nick Cummins, Luke Morahan or Joe Tomane on the wing.”
I agree entirely. It just isn’t right that Vuna has a Wallabies cap. Hard to accept.
Simmons was pretty much useless. A headless chicken with as much presence on the pitch as a 6 yo girl. Sharpe as everyone else noted, got tired. He should start and then be given a respectful bench sooner.
I would have preferred to have seen Hodgson not Hooper get 20minutes. He is harder and reads play well. His partnership with Pocock is greatly unappreciated by Deans.
Good to see Deans finally start to use his bench. But he was at least 10mins late in doing so. But improvement should always be given credit.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:13am
Jutsie said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
I watched the game a 2nd time to see when he brought the replacement on, all the forwards came on between the 50 and 65 min mark. I think thats acceptable. Finally he has realised what a bench is there for.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Only when the Wallabies are winning.
When they are losing he gets scared and leaves them on way too long. Maybe one of the assistants has taken over the bench?
June 10th 2012 @ 11:38am
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Blue Blood –
I wholeheartedly agree with you on all points apart from Hodgson – Hooper and Gill are clearly the next in line – Hooper’s sensational leg-drive and the fact we have Pocock probably make him the man in line. Higgers seagulled way too much last night!
June 10th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
“Higgers seagulled way too much last night!”
Complete and utter crap.
I just re-watched the first half to pull up some stats for you.
1 – You are not supposed to mindlessly follow the ball/ruck around the field, you are supposed to hold your defensive shape. Sure if you’re a fat prop you might not want to get stuck opposing a centre, but when you’re a flanker who’s played 7s rugby you back yourself to tackle the guy.
2 – Most of the time I saw Higginbotham in the defensive line he was either the pillar to the side of the ruck, two wide from the ruck, or covering a blindside from the ruck.
First Half Only:
6 runs (including pick and drive try)
It is also worth noting that on TPN’s break Higginbotham was the second support runner just a step behind Genia and was held back by a jersey pull.
11 Ruck involvements on Wallaby ball of which two can be classed as lazy
5 tackles
3 tackle assists
1 ineffective tackle (the guy went to ground but SH didn’t hold him, someone else had to)
6 defensive ruck involvements of which one can be classed as lazy
It is also possible to throw in a few maul involvements from lineouts.
And a couple of tackles on decoy runners if you want.
If that’s not enough work for you then you’re just biased. Sorry, but there’s no other word for it.
If the guy did need to catch his breath in the second half – well he did play 80 minutes on Tuesday and 80 minutes again on Saturday.
To ensure this is balanced, I will say that on at least 3 occasions Higginbotham should have gone into a ruck and didn’t – all of these were defensive (Wales in possession) rucks and I am about 90% certain that is because the Reds play that sort of game, keeping numbers clear of the breakdown and letting Gill go to work unless there is good turnover chance.
June 10th 2012 @ 2:24pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Hysterical Red Kev – I’ll be sure not to have an opinion that contradicts yours mate. I like Higginbotham, he played a good game, but he could have played better if he was a little more effective at the breakdown. By seaguilng I don’t just mean floating out on the wing or in the centres but also close by the fringes and not being effective at the ruck. As a couple of other people have pointed out he needs to work hard on his body height to become a more complete player.
June 10th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
I agree he can get better – body height is one area where there is scope for improvement, another his is scrum work. And I did highlighted 3 lazy involvements and 3 more occasions where Higgers should have done something but didn’t. He is still the best 6 we have by a decent margin, and the fact he can play 8 for the last 20 when Palu subs off is good for the team too.
But I don’t think he can be called a lazy seagull. If you add in lineouts and scrums that is 40 distinct involvements in the 40 minutes of the first half.
Perhaps I’m just over-reacting, I had a bit of a knock-down-drag-out with Bob Dwyer fanbois on G&GR about Higginbotham (and Bob posted a couple of responses for good measure).
June 10th 2012 @ 6:22pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 10th 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
Red Kev – mate you called him the lazy seagull. I said he was guilty of seagulling too much last night and that he should work harder at the ruck. That doesn’t make him a lzy seagull, it just points out a few areas where he could further improve upon his game, which, I might add I feel is already at international standard.
June 10th 2012 @ 7:05pm
wallaby fan said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:05pm | Report comment
red kev you are out of control.
someone police the police!
June 10th 2012 @ 7:40pm
Red Kev said | June 10th 2012 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
You wait until Bob posts his next cheap shot on Higgers, then you’ll see out of control
June 10th 2012 @ 10:01pm
Blue Blood said | June 10th 2012 @ 10:01pm | Report comment
Completely agree. I’ve changed my mind. You aren’t a family member of Higgers; You Are Higgers himself! Higgers please take it as constructive criticism and get your butt away from the wing. Remind yourself that you are a back rower not a back. One word with very different job descriptions associated. You might want to change your ID name. We are on to you Higgers.
June 11th 2012 @ 1:44am
wallaby fan said | June 11th 2012 @ 1:44am | Report comment
Well you need to get on gagr because thats excatly what he’s done.
Seriously Higginbotham has played okay these past 2 tests. Clearly Deans is the right man to coach him into good habits becasue at the reds he does display some very poor habits. Bad habits die hard because at the end of the scottish match and the welsh match he was starting to bludge on that wing again!!!
He is a work in progress.
June 11th 2012 @ 2:17am
bluerose said | June 11th 2012 @ 2:17am | Report comment
i think Dennis is the typical #6 than Higgins, not taking anything away from Higgins but Dennis plays a more tighter game than him, i was really impressed with Hooper’s impact off the bench, for a lightweight flanker he sure does have alot of power in his leg drive, he’s very quick in hitting the advantage line and is a quality super sub, our locks still lacks the overall jack of all trades type, scrumming (if thats a word), lineouts, tight, workrate and fitness, the only one i could think of is Fardy but he’s not in the squad, i think an experimental short 2nd row of Dennis/Fardy would add alot of mobility, power and workrate for the Wallabies but would be too short in the lineouts,
June 11th 2012 @ 6:11am
Red Kev said | June 11th 2012 @ 6:11am | Report comment
And yet I am the only one that has posted hard facts.
Get out your remotes because stat sites don’t tell you how they generate theirs making them entirely useless except for clear cut items like ball carries.
You’ll find Higginbotham out played both Palu and TPN (good hookers like du Plessis and Moore being a fourth back rower these days).
@wallaby fan
There’s no point directly responding to either bibby-bob dwyer or you, you’re both myopic waratah supporters, you don’t see reality at all.
June 10th 2012 @ 12:51pm
Uncle Argyle said | June 10th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
BB,
Rob Simmonds is a fine player however he has much to learn. I would persist with him. There is no doubt that if fit James Horwill would be one of the starting locks for his leadership and work in tight. Horwill however is a solid line-out forward but not a great one. I think there is room for Hugh Pyle in the 22 as he is a good line-out forward and a good worker in general play. I don’t think we unsettled the Welsh line-out at all last night which is concerning as it is an area we should seek some ascendcy as our back row are taller, but the Welsh used their locks to good effect and did not looked phased by our opposition or lack of it.
June 10th 2012 @ 3:47pm
Blue Blood said | June 10th 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
perhaps Simmons will get there. It just was not impressive last night. I’d rather see Pyle than persist with Horwill. Horwill has had inconsistent form and I have already been outspoken regarding his actions I see as thuggery against his own Wallaby team mates. I’m not sure they are missing him in camp for cultural reasons.
June 11th 2012 @ 8:26am
Uncle Argyle said | June 11th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Mate I recall NSW hating Tony Shaw during state games but loved playing with him in the Wallabies.
June 10th 2012 @ 9:19am
Xiedazhou said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Overall the performance was ok, and the result a good one for the Wallabies. I thought Genia was outstanding. Yes he probably should have taken the tackle instead of playing kick and chase a couple of times, however overall, he was brilliant. I was very disappointed at the way Horne selfishly butchered a try by not passing, and wonder if this is not symptomatic of his mindset. For the rest of the game he offered nothing that Faingaa couldnt have done as well, if not better. Faingaa probably offers as much in attack, and more starch in defence, in my opinion (for what thats worth obviously). Barnes did ok, but the way the wallabies got the “wobbles” in the second half was eerily like watching most of the waratahs games this year. The kicking became aimless, the attack lost its shape, the defence became passive, turnovers were conceded at the breakdown. What is it that causes this fade out?
June 10th 2012 @ 9:30am
justsaying said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Neither Horne nor Fainga’a are up to much really, and you can probably add McCabe to that as well. Australia’s centres are totally insipid at the moment. I seriously think Ioane should be given a go at 13 – he played well there for the Reds earlier this season and he always makes something happen. And with the non-existent distribution skills of the current centres he doesn’t really play that much on the wing anyway…
June 10th 2012 @ 9:50am
Xiedazhou said | June 10th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Agreed that Faingaa doesnt set the world on fire, he is solid, thats about it. And yes, perhaps you are right, perhaps Ioane could be tried again at outside centre. Maybe a centre combination of JOC as inside centre, with Ioane as outside centre would be a threatening combination of ballplay and brute force. I’ve nothing against McCabe except I think he’s entirely one dimensional, and i’m sure Ioane could be at least as effective in getting over the gain line, and far better in broken play.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:22am
Glenn Condell said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
‘I seriously think Ioane should be given a go at 13′
Not unless he can learn to hang on to the ball.
June 10th 2012 @ 11:37am
justsaying said | June 10th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Surely his hands are just as much a liability on the wing as at centre? It would certainly save him having to defuse opposition bombs – a task he did not handle well last night…
June 10th 2012 @ 1:48pm
Jerry said | June 10th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Hanging on to the ball would be his problem if he played centre – in that he’d never pass it.
June 10th 2012 @ 1:57pm
justsaying said | June 10th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Neither do the centres they have now!