NRL shaking after Gallop coup, but finally there’s a leader
By ScottWoodward.me, 12 Jun 2012 ScottWoodward.me is a Roar Guru
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I walk past rugby league central every morning on my way to breakfast at the SFS Café, and you can still feel the foundations of the brand new building shaking.
National Rugby League Chairman John Grant has left such an imprint at HQ by sacking CEO David Gallop after ten years of service, that every time an executive walks out for some fresh air, they still carry a look of bewilderment, wondering if they will be the next to go.
What they do know is that their new caretaker boss does not like his people to be “reactive”.
Make no mistake, a big skyrocket has hit RLC, and everybody including the tea lady is googling the term ‘proactive’.
When John Grant hung up his football boots in 1973, he did not grow his company Data#3 from 14 people in 1984 to become a billion-dollar operation by being a follower.
“In order to build businesses you have got to be creative; you have got to be different; you have got to be quick; you have got to be, in a word, innovative,” said Grant in 2009.
The business style adopted by David Gallop was contrary to Grant’s philosophy, “If you look at the way the game in the NRL has run over the last 10 years, you’d have to say that it was a reactive business,” he said last week after he told Gallop not to come in Monday, or ever again.
Many observers consider Grant’s cold blooded chop harsh, largely based on the fact that the NRL has developed and gone ahead in leaps and bounds over the last decade. That is true, and is testimony to how good the game is, and to its TV popularity, but there can be no denying that AFL’s Andrew Demetriou out-pointed David Gallop by a staggering margin of $73 million a year in their respective TV deals.
In plain language, over $500 million was lost to rugby league, and the buck stopped with David Gallop. If you don’t think that is a sackable offence then you probably think President Obama has managed the U.S. economy well.
There is a popular rumour that if the chairman cannot find a suitable replacement for Gallop, then he will assume the role himself. There is no doubt that his resumé and list of business achievements are formidable, and even AFL’s professed king Andrew Demetriou would be impressed, but he would have nothing to gain by driving his $370,000 Maserati to Moore Park every day, just plenty to lose.
Grant’s personal stake in Data#3 is said to be $160m, so why would he jeopardise that? Certainly not for the expected $2 million CEO’s salary, as Data#3 shares would plummet if he left the general’s post.
The mainstream media will have their own agenda, trying to guess or influence the outcome, but some of their reports on possible Gallop replacements, including past and current executives from NRL clubs, Racing NSW, and cable TV, would not sit well alongside the man named 2009 Microsoft Worldwide Partner of the Year.
John Grant has already indicated who he wants.
Likely applicants only need to listen to some old Grant speeches where he emphasises the importance of innovation because of his belief that, “today’s business model is not tomorrow’s business model, and tomorrow’s business model is not the business model the day after.”
Based on that John Grant business philosophy, maybe the ARLC can be proactive and invest in their very own cable TV network like FetchTV, and include live streaming so more rugby league fans can actually watch every game.
Grant grew Data#3 to be one of Australia’s great companies because he was astute enough to see a gap in the way the larger global organisations were delivering product to customers. He has exactly the same challenge with delivering the NRL into people’s homes, as only 30% of people have cable TV and they are forced to pay a premium and get other channels that they never watch. Foxtel and Austar have a monopoly and footy fans are getting ripped off.
Fans could pay only $20 a month and watch every game on an alternative cable TV network to Foxtel/Austar where they must fork out $65 to $150 a month. Live pay-per-view via streaming on the NRL website would be great for fans, but not all fans have a computer or an iPhone.
John Grant would say, “the fans remain relevant.”
So owning the game and personally maximising delivery of it live and direct would seem the ultimate in innovation and proactivity.
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June 12th 2012 @ 4:54am
Gaz said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:54am | Report comment
Yes Scott, most of us were excited and couldn’t wait for the birth of the ‘new’ independent Commision. We wanted to see the administration of the NRL handled by it’s own people and removed from outside influences that many could see we’re in it for their own good and not just for the good of the game. It therefore amazes me how many people are critical of John Grant who is acting on behalf of that Commision that appears to be doing what we expected it to do.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:27am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Gaz,
Agree. Everyone wanted a Commission with leadership and when they got it they blew up. Some of the biased NEWS LIMITED stuff is a disgrace.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:54am
peeeko said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:54am | Report comment
good point Scott about the cost of cable tv here in australia. as an example in the US you get packages with 130 channels and internet for $70 a month. obviously there are economies of scale but the australian sports fan gets ripped off royally
June 12th 2012 @ 9:29am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
peeeko,
We pay for many channels that we NEVER watch. Why cant we just pay for what we watch?
EG, Do u watch the cartoons?
June 12th 2012 @ 11:34am
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
If you and I cherry picked, overall my package in the short-term would cost less but in the long-term there would end up being a premium on the popular sports channels to make up the difference so you may be worse off
June 12th 2012 @ 4:59am
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:59am | Report comment
I have never been a fan of the Independent Commision.
-Effectively they become the boss rather than this mythical term called Independent commission.
-Basically all the I/C really means there has been in my opinion just a transfer of power from news or the NRL to the I/C.
-Basically just a take over rather than being independent and good for the game. Lots of conflict of interest and the ARL has become more powerful again, all the old suits .
-It doesn’t feel independent or the people the fans have a bigger say at all nothing has changed. Fans ultimately have the most power in any pro sport as they bring in the money via tv ratings and crowd attendance.
-Feels more like a dictatorship the new independent commission to be honest in my opinion and now John Grant is calling the shots no longer news or Dave Gallop or whoever the new NRL ceo that will come in. And basically i fear John Grant will have a big say on who the CEO will be. and will the new CEO just be a yes man or woman to john grant and the Iindependant commission, rather than being truly an independent ceo himself.
-And apparantly John Grant was going to change the title of his role too, and it has something to do with maintaining owe roof influence as he may in fact become the new CEO too apparently. John Grant getting all too dictatorial and powerful I feel.
By Gallop going Grant has me it very clear he is the boss and if you don’t like it leave it’s my way or the highway. Where is the democracy I ask by John Grant.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:20am
Lowdown said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:20am | Report comment
Either you’re Phil Rothfield or mate…stop reading the Daily Telegraph and wake up to yourself.
Don’t be fooled by the News propaganda machine. This is how a business should be run…like one that needs and wants significant success. Hard decisions are necessary.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:53am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Lowdown,
I am with you, Grant has been impressive.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:34pm
NickF said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
How has he been imppresive? I think the way Gallop’s resignation/sacking was handled was not impressive. Grant hasn’
t dealt with Melbourne Storms’ Salary breach, the Bulldogs salary breach, Nate Miles “poo in the shoe”, Todd Carneys …..anything,Matty John in NZ, Coffs Harbour scandal. Grant hasn’t had Gus’s rants yet, or Hadley.
“Proactive” sound more like “Knee jerk reaction”
So what has he done in the RLIC that is impressive?
June 12th 2012 @ 4:27pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
NickF
He is the first guy with the balls to sack a guy who cost the game a stack on a fumbled TV deal. The difference between AFL and NRL is $73 million a year in their respective TV deals.
Hows that?
June 13th 2012 @ 12:36am
Stanley grella said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:36am | Report comment
With all due respect, he hasn’t lost a cent. Unless he went into a negotiation and said no, we don’t want all this money, halve your offer. The guy actually saw a rather large increase in funding.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:34pm
Renegade said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Anyone who says Gallop is reactive but then is impressed by Grant has no grey matter in their head.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:15am
jdubya said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:15am | Report comment
You aren’t fooling anybody Rothfield.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:54am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
jdubya
Funny…..there is no way Grant would take a long term executive job at the NRL in my opinion. It would cost him millions.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:16am
peeeko said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:16am | Report comment
i would rather a commission than a media company controlling the game
June 12th 2012 @ 8:07am
jamesb said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
“i would rather a commission than a media company controlling the game”
spot on peeko
June 12th 2012 @ 9:58am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
peeeko,
You have to say it is Independent now.
The big test will come in the who the new CEO is signed.
Mark McInnes, the former CEO of David Jones, is a standout if he is available, from the people I know that are. providing Women in League will tick the box and he wants the job, it should be a no brainer.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:49pm
Todd Slater said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
McInnes sounds like a mate of yours. An Easts director who ran & runs a retail business, not a sport. There is a difference. Your article makes sense, but your choices don’t. The prime minister gets a three year term, Gallop got ten. Are we in a better position than a decade ago. Yes & no.
Could we do better. Absolutely.
You want to talk about someone bringing in today’s business models for tomorrow.
Peter V’Landy’s is your man. And no i don’t know him.
One more thing.
You talk about people looking bewildered when they walk out into Driver Ave. Well the Paul Kind should be shown the door as well. The ‘face of the game’ & Bon Jovi campaigns are an absolute debacle.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:24am
B.A Sports said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Mark McInnes – That is quite seriously the most ridiculous thing you have ever written. Women in league would never tick th ebox and plenty of other sponsors would walk away as well.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Johnno,
I get it Johnno, but if John Grant was a dope I would have a problem, but make no mistake he is one of Australia’s great businessmen. You dont do what he has done and win the awards that he has if you are not special.
He had a tough call to make and he made it, and to be honest, it was the right decision.
Lets give him some slack.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:15am
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Scottwoodward: good article, as much as I think myself!!
About Jonno: yeah, mate, wake up to yourself.
I’ve forgotten everything you said: it was nonsense.
So let me ask you this: if a business or an entity is going in the completely wrong direction; what should those who direct it do? Well, you think for a moment as you read, but I will tell you the answer here and now – they should change direction, and for that to happen, they need to make moves and changes.
This is what the commission has done.
I don’t know about you, but you seem to want to wave a magic wand and its all set right, in black and white – and with no overlapping ideas or concepts to muddy the picture……well the world does not work like that.
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I have faith in Grant. Did you even read the article (good article)? I surmised as much myself. I am glad to have seen it backed up in the article.
- that you read too much news ltd papers.
-that John Grant is the ‘leader’ of the commission, he’s the boss – no, ITS NOT A DEMOCRACY, its a do what the boss thinks is best for the team, for success, people held accountable.
-that you should stop worrying. already its clear league is in the best shape its ever been, and we all are looking forward to the future, rather than flinching, which is what it felt like under Gallop.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:30am
Australian Rules said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
You really think that the NRL were “going in the completely wrong direction”..? Really?
June 12th 2012 @ 8:06pm
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:06pm | Report comment
oh dear.
I was explaining the dynamic of a situation, the guy who I said it to had no clue. So I was answering a dif problem….
now, as to your problem.
Lets not mince words. there is only one right direction. if you call being owned by a media company, 2 dif boards that could not do much, a poor tv deal, and a CEO with questionable ties beign RE-APPOINTED AFTER HE SAID HE WANTED TO STOP!!!! – if you call all that the right direction – then, yes. they were.
He only came back for the golden handshake.
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Everyone wants to make excuses, everyone wants to suck on gallops weener and see him out a hero for some reason (and bearing in mind I like the guy and I think he did well)…..
but in business, there is only room for success and results.
The commission laid him off – get over it. He was taking them in the wrong direction, indeed, more so he was refusing to get with the program.
And hey, I actually think AFL is going in completely the wrong direction.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:13am
Australian Rules said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
You implied that under Gallop, the NRL was going completely in the wrong direction.
You don’t suggest wat is the “right direciton” and ignore the fact that the comp has grown in almost every KPI under Gallop, so I’m not sure what you’re basing that comment on.
Try to come up with something more insightful than: “everyone wants to suck on gallops weener”. (and it’s spelled wiener).
June 12th 2012 @ 11:11am
Jaredsbro said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
But why can’t we have a more of or heaven forbid an actual democratic governance. It’s clear that the AFL’s getting all the hot/fluid money (the kind which sank much of London during the Financial burst) which means for the NRL to compete we need more of a DEMOCRATIC system.
You’re right most businesses don’t work like that. And that’s why most businesses would be floating on the AFL if there was only two options, in a simpler world.
It’s about being competitive, which means doing things different…which means giving those disenfranchised an opportunity to perhaps make some money (maybe turn the commission into a public-trading company?) but as well as that for those who don’t have a say, to actually have a say…and who knows maybe even get a vote!
June 12th 2012 @ 8:09pm
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:09pm | Report comment
What are you talking about democracy for??
They are a team, they talk…..they even have votes probably…..at a board level.
WHERE IS THE DICTATORSHIP??
Dude – they got rid of an ineffective CEO – thats called being smart – not being a dictator.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:29pm
Jaredsbro said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:29pm | Report comment
I was predominantly meaning that the current sporting (entertainment) climate is all too much like a dictator…all the stuff about Grant is just hot air, but that’s what I like to do: give it to them tough at the beginning and wean myself off it as time progresses.
The current sporting climate as dominated by the AFL seems to require (in order to compete) an authoritarian approach, much like how a business is run in liberal Capitalism.
But we cannot make gains on the AFL if we continue in the direction their code is suited (and has been since the later 80s) in a post-scandal epoch of their history. And not passing more of the ‘shares’ around will only decrease our competitive edges.
June 12th 2012 @ 6:10pm
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
You can still have a boss in a democracy, who gets thins done, it’s called Australia we are a democracy why can’t rugby league be any different. It seems poor boy blues , you in sport or in business do not oppose dictatorships when push comes to shove, and actions needs to be done.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:12pm
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:12pm | Report comment
People need to follow orders. IF THEY ARE A PART of a company that does not share the same values as them – they need to get out. There is nothing worse.
I sympathise with you. No one likes doing things against their will.
But most people wanted Gallop gone.
And yet, I see a guy in you who is making a mountain out of a mole hill. His boss fired him. Get over it. Its not a dictatorship/democracy argument.
People wanted him gone, he only came back for the golden handshake, and while I like him, sorry…..the BOSS told him that was it. Innings over.
Why is it so hard for people to accept. I doubt Gallop is currently thinking about it. Fools are what the media make of people.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:25pm
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:25pm | Report comment
Some seriously good points Poor Boy blues and all very easy and logically explained, I agree with you.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:37am
oikee said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Gallop did the job he had to do, bring the code into line, Grant will do the job he was brought in to do, grow the game 10 fold.
This would still only mean 20 thousand to a Roosters game.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:35am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
oikee
I went there on Sunday and I think only 200 turned up in the rain.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:37am
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
They said the croed was 9738
June 12th 2012 @ 2:00pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
Jacemen
Must have been hiding.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:31pm
yewonk said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
or five hundred to a panthers game
June 12th 2012 @ 7:54am
Silvio said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I agree with Oikee in that Gallop has brought the game into line and Grant will now grow the game. The timing is impeccable with the TV rights up for renewal. Why would you want Gallop managing those negotiations when he clearly underestimated the worth of those rights last time. Oikee – Roosters crowd attendance 20,000 … Too funny!
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June 12th 2012 @ 9:37am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Silvio
True, Gallop stuffed the last TV deal big time and he could not be sacked as the people who benefited from it happened to be his boss. There is no way he should have been anywhere near it this time and Grant should take the credit for making it happen.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:20am
jamesb said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Well researched article Scott,
Gallop did a good job, however I think Grant and the Commission have the capabilites to take the game further
“Grant grew Data#3 to be one of Australia’s great companies because he was astute enough to see a gap in the way the larger global organisations were delivering product to customers. He has exactly the same challenge with delivering the NRL into people’s homes, as only 30% of people have cable TV and they are forced to pay a premium and get other channels that they never watch. Foxtel and Austar have a monopoly and footy fans are getting ripped off.”
“Fans could pay only $20 a month and watch every game on an alternative cable TV network to Foxtel/Austar where they must fork out $65 to $150 a month”
Basically cut away the middle man: be profitable to the game, and affordable to the fans (customers).
June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am
steve b said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Forget going cable put it on the optus ci satellite and get it to just about every country home in aus this is a sure way of growing the game . The vast network now supplies the game through imparja which covers most states in aus and its free i just hope they go with something like this .. And for the fans i hope they look after FTA and dont give it all to PPV networks…
June 12th 2012 @ 9:50am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
steve
They certainly can improve the delivery, but I would get into bed with a young Australian who owns FetchTV and works with Optus. Not sure how long the bigpond deal is for at the moment.
Fans could watch every game for $5 a week.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:43am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
jamesb
This is a great opportunity for the game.
Own your own TV network, that would solve many problems.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:40am
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
I just went to a communications conference and while extended broadband is growing the big advertisers and codes in the States still want that HD widescreen experience on FTA or cable in a comfotable chair…
June 12th 2012 @ 2:03pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Jacemen
The NRLC should have different options so that everyone has the ability to watch or listen to every game. At the moment, we only get one game FTA, not good enough for the rank and file footy fan.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:41am
Rabby said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Gallop did an OK job. He was a caretaker CEO and was exactly what was needed 10 yrs ago. Then the sport needed stability and a steady hand but that should have changed 5yrs ago. Gallop needed to be replaced then for someone with a business brain not a legal one. Gallop was never a CEO. He was a capable manager, he could sort out problems after they had happened but he could no more develop a business plan for the game than he could understand the term. Its a bit late in coming but I for one am very happy that Grant has taken the reins. I want to see Rugby League prosper and grow and under Grant in will be AFL that is the follower.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:46am
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Rabby
I understand what you are saying but do you think a gut has done an “ok job” when he has got the game $500m in a TV deal? Also, lets not forget that many areas cannot even get radio broadcasts and there is no tender for those rights. Stations who could cover the “dead” areas and would like to, dont even get the chance.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:17am
Jaredsbro said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
But surely that doesn’t require turning Grant into some messianic/fuhrer figure who we give absolute power to, in order to get more bang for our buck. After all Hitler did much for post-war Germany, in some ways much more than the Americans during the Reconstruction…creating a climate which was very good for business (ie very oppositional to Communism say) but the cost was hell on Earth
June 12th 2012 @ 2:06pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Jaredsbro,
You are over re-acting. Give him a fair suck of the sav. He cannot build a future until he gets the foundations correct.
We need to be objective and positive.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:27pm
Jaredsbro said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:27pm | Report comment
Well naturally I am. There’s nothing on earth that compares to Austria’s finest, all I was meaning was authoritarian business practices allow no room for real opposition which takes democracy out of the equation, which might serve the code’s interests best but those who follow the code don’t get a say which is an anachronism these days.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:04am
Benson said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
How can anybody have a crack at Gallop with regards to the last tv deal?
TV companies pay the lowest they possibly can for a product, they exist to make money. If $500 million was what they offered and nobody bid higher than nothing more can be done. The AFL irrelevant in all of this. Who cares what the AFL got, broadcasters were prepared to pay that amount for the AFL, just because they got that doesn’t mean the nrl deserves that, life is never fair. The NRL will get what they get, regardless of what any other sport gets.
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June 12th 2012 @ 10:12am
The Cattery said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Good post Benson.
I too am struggling to come to grips with what is being insinuated here.
I would agree that Gallop was culpable if someone was aware that, say, ch 7 and/or 10 were willing to pay more than $500 million for six years.
Is there any evidence of that? I’ve never seen anyone put any forward.
Also, my recollection at the time was that the NRL family was ecstatic about getting $500 million over six years at the time.
It only turned a bit sour when a few months later, the AFL negotiated $780 million for five years.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:34am
Australian Rules said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
That’s very true. The deal was trumpeted as a huge success at the time.
Then the AFL deal was subsequently better…and the NRL’s was suddenly considered a failure. So many NRL pundits seem to not only “peer over the fence”…but obsessively stare over it day and night.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:58pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Australian Rules
The difference was $73 million a year in their respective TV deals. Hellooooooooo………………..
June 12th 2012 @ 11:03am
oikee said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Cattery, nobody does a 6 year deal. News media ripped rugby league off a beauty.
Gallop was part of that process. I think you will find that Gallop was trying to lock rugby league into many 5 to 20 year deals.
The guy was a thorn in rugby leagues bottom really.
The game has huge potentail to unlock half the country that is not watchign rugby league on a regular basis, being shown on tv 3 nights each week is a start.
Origins, test matches, world cup 2017, rugby league has it all in front of them.
Plus we only need 840 million to have doubled our last deal. That is alot of extra money to sink into the game. They are talking 950 million, the guy negotaiting the deal is trying to crack 1 billion. If he cracks a billion, that is 150%. Watch out.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:42am
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Cat,AR
Didnt Stokes say he offered more but Gallop dismissed him as being too late. I the Seven, News Ltd court case, it was asserted but not proven and I’m not sure if the hjudge ruled on it as the case was more about access to Fox..
June 12th 2012 @ 2:23pm
Crosscoder said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:23pm | Report comment
That is correct Jaceman,Gallop did not give 7 a go .
June 12th 2012 @ 3:00pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Jaceman
Sounds like a great 4 Corners story in the making.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:21pm
Maximus said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:21pm | Report comment
Is there a 4 Corners show coming up or are you being ironic?
June 12th 2012 @ 10:35pm
Todd Slater said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
The story 4 Corners should be researching is the Melbourne salary cap. It is unresolved & untold. Last time i looked no else had been named premiers in ’07 & ’09.
Seven will win the tv rights. Kerry Stokes is a great player of the long game.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:59pm
Meesta Cool said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:59pm | Report comment
Maybe Todd hasn’t reaad the 1.7 million articles on the fact that everything outside the game was dropped because nothing criminal could be proven. Move on kiddo. it’s over, dead and buried, and STORM are still tops. .. geez mate that must be really hurting you.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:09pm
Todd Slater said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:09pm | Report comment
My point is that the story is ripe for re-investigation now that all the major officials have left the game. I have always maintained that they were unjustly treated. I sincerely hope that their fans & the Melbourne public in general get a better deal with the new broadcast arrangements than what they have suffered these past five years.
June 13th 2012 @ 4:12pm
Jaceman said | June 13th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
Danny Weidler said that there was a strong undercurrent that the Storm salary cap deal would rise again and this is the reason for Gallops dismiisal. I reckon (but I have no inside knowledge) that News has bid low agian and they dont want another Gallop/News Ltd rights debacle..
June 13th 2012 @ 5:54pm
Crosscoder said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:54pm | Report comment
Never quote Danny Weidler,and one doesn’t need inside knowledge to understand.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:17pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
The Cattery,
He did not just miss the mark, it was not a photo finish, he missed by the length of the straight. What part of that dont you get?
June 12th 2012 @ 2:24pm
The Cattery said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Scott
but what were the other bids on the table?
If 7/10 aren’t bidding more than $500 mill over 6 years – what is Gallop meant to do? You can only get a higher price if you find someone willing to pay it.
There might be an argument for sticking to a five year term, so they already would have been earning more money this season, but once again, absolutely everyone involved with League back in mid 2005 celebrated this breath through deal.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:04pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
The Cattery,
Thats incorrect. I am very close to an ex NEWS Exec and I can assure you they thought they did the deal of the century. I spoke to him last week and agrees Gallop should have gone and he likes him.
You can see from the above comments that it was done quickly so Ch 7 could not get in.
You need to sop being naive.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:45pm
cos789 said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
You obviously don’t understand cattery.
Gallop took the first and only offer from CMH/News/Telstra interests, then took the proposal back to News Ltd for aproval.
It was a travesty. To add insult, Gallop extened the deal.
That is not how to run a business in anyones language. Gallop, as an ex News Ltd Super League lawyer and CEO of the game assumes a fair share of the responsibility.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Crosscoder said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
The evidence is AR/TC ,Gallop working for a ARL/News ltd partnership,was selling the code to a News Lltd majority owned Pay Tv station.
Conflict of interest? Go figure.
News paying minimum amount? A very good chance.
The NRL was excited at the time,as Gallop bragged about it being the biggest deal in Oz sport,which it was ATT.And for 6 years mind you.
Yet not that long after a deal struck with a code,with Tv ratings hardly swamping rugby league for nearly double the figure .
If that disparity doesn’t stick out like a raw prawn in George street,then the earth is truly flat.
Guess what even media types within News Ltd such as Canning agree the last deal was undersold.
The proof will be in the pudding,when teh next Tv deal is announced.One suggesta $bn or plus deal will mean true value or competitive tension.A low figure will indicate a double rip off this and last time.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:29pm
The Cattery said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Crosscoder
that deal was NOT the biggest in Aust sporting history.
From 2002 to 2006 the AFL had a 5 year deal with 9/Fox worth $500 mill over five years.
So when the NRL earned their $500 mill over six years (2007 to 2012 inclusive), even at that point, they were already behind the AFL’s previous deal (which then jumped to $780 mill over 2007-2011).
This is the curious aspect, even though the $500 mill deal was already behind the AFL’s old deal (on annualised terms), it was still celebrated universally as a major deal, but it only turned sour when the AFL negotiated it’s own deal – but it had ch7/10 wanting to win the rights back off ch 9.
And this is what I’m saying, if ch 7/10 weren’t bidding higher than $500 mill, how was Gallop meant to get more?
You could only blame Gallop if there was evidence of him activiely discouraging a 7/10 bid – but is there evidence of that?
June 12th 2012 @ 2:50pm
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
I thought the argument was that the AFL was paid over the odds for TV rights in 2006 because Packer on his death bed upped the AFL price so fantasically that either way he won (according to Singo) ie he got the rights or Seven had to go bankrupt to get it..Packer jnr was able to sell 9 at a premium in 2006 because he convinced o/s buyers he had the East Coast footy market sewn up (ie RL in Brisbane played melbourne in Sydney GF conveniently) and there was both a SOO and a Four nations game in Melbourne and he/his son could show to o/s buyers that he had got the NRL rights relatively cheaply. Packer jnr sold the day after the foreign ownership restrictions went thru Parliament on October 18? 2006 just after the GF. So the punchline was that at the time 7 had paid over the odds for AFL.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Crosscoder said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
I didn’t make the claim,Gallop did TC.He put himself on the pedestal when he made the claim.
We are told 7 and 10 did not bid.QED there was no competitive tension.,
If one continues to ignore the Tv ratings from 2000 onwards,then one cannot be rationalising the disparity between the Tv deals
How was Gallop to get more!!!,selling to oneself (News Ltd),it was plainly obvious is hands were tied,answering to two masters,who were on both sides of the bargaining table.
Packer no doubt had an effect on the AFL deal.He created the competitive tension,so lacking for the NRL deal.
Who gained the most from the last Tv deal:NEWS LTD.Ask them who has the most to lose ,if rugby league disappears from Foxtel……………….
.I repeat one more time ,when the media(not Gallop not the clubs) now admit the last Tv deal,based on the extremely and consistently high Pay Tv and growing FTA rating was undervalued,then one has to sit up and take notice.
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When Colin Smith of Lek,maintains rugby league is the jewel in the TV ratings crown,then people have to take notice
Gyngell of Nine has stated his station will have to pay a hell of a lot more to secure the code.
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Of course it turned sour later.If one finds they have been ripped off,you are hardly going to form a cheer squad.
if I buy a Sony 81cm TV ,for a great deal of $850,and a couple of days later find a deal for exactly the same for $725 I will be dirty.
And this time 7 and 10 are part of the bidding equation.
AndIi will quote Simon Canning in the Australian(News owned) Mon 11/6:
“The NRL’s current five year(wrong but nonetheless)broadcast rights with Nine and Foxtel expires in October.Analysts believe the TV rights are worth about $950m(so much for those who are suggesting 700-850),but bids could top $1bn if the competition between Nine,Ten and Seven becomes heated.”"
Canning goes on about Mattiske(NRL) who has the major role in the negotiations.
“Mr Mattiske’s strong background in digital and ongoing support in COMPS(Coalition of Major Professional Sports) could signal a push by the NRL to gain greater control over digital of NRL games.”
June 12th 2012 @ 3:12pm
Australian Rules said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
CC
2 things:
1) Was Gallop to blame for the corporate structure of the ARL? Or is the real question: why wasn’t an independent negotiator engaged to do the last deal? (I’ll answer: because there wasn’t an independent commission to insist upon it).
2) Yes, the ratings of the 2 sports were comparable last time. But what’s more VALUABLE to tv networks in this scenario:
100 people watching a 2 hour show with 10 ads…or 100 people watching a 3 hour show with 40 ads?
Blaming Gallop for the last deal ignores both these things.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm
oikee said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
It all comes back to why Gallop signed off on a 6 year deal. He should have only signed for 4, the most 5, yet somehow he signed 6 years.
6 years has been the hardest to take from league fans, it was like a death warrent. Lucky we have now got past it, and to see the end of Gallop so quickly was like winning the lotto for me, you all know i have been calling for change, can only happen if the guy slowing you down is gone. Now its clear sailing, you might say.
Even this year is like a free leg-up to AFL, at least we know that league will be coming out all guns blazing next year. AFL fans, showtime.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:06pm
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Or more importantly AR, 9m people being interested moderately (at worst) in AFL with a team in every city in 5 caps compared to 6m being moderately interested with a team in 3 caps (and Melbournes interest is marginal).
June 12th 2012 @ 4:33pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
Australian Rules,
You are ignoring this:
* the NRL is the most popular product on cable TV with the close to 90 of the top rated 100 shows being NRL
* NRL has State of Origin
* International and rep footy
* The margin pa on the last deal was $73 million a year in their respective TV deals.
What part of that dont you get?
June 12th 2012 @ 4:39pm
The Cattery said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
This is the part I don’t get: if $500 million for six years was massively undervalued 7/10 would have bid more.
Why didn’t they bid more?
June 12th 2012 @ 4:42pm
The Cattery said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
Don’t forget that as at July 2005, 7/10 were yet to put in their joint $780 mill bid for the AFL, but did so soon after.
If the economic value was in outbidding 9/Fox for the NRL – they would have done it – but they didn’t do it.
Gallop can only be implicated if you are aware thay he actively discouraged 7/10 from bidding and contrived a situation where 9/Fox got the rights for a song.
But this is what I know about economic theory – if something is grossly undervalued and there are other buyers in the market – they will bid that up to its true value.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:44pm
Redb said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
Scott WoodWard,
The NRL does not have anywhere near 90 of the top 100 pay tv shows anymore. I think the last count was 77 of the top 100 from last year and it will be much less in 2012.
In any case, it is fact that Pay tv numbers are skewed based on subscription penetration base, roughly 40% in NSW/QLD v 30% in Vic, SA, WA,etc.
It is flawed logic to use pay tv numbers as the reason for the divide.
FTA numbers, national reach and of course longer game with far more ad breaks are some of the key reasons but often ignored as to why the AFL got more.
NRL has more games and has grown Origin Tv ratings considerably but its still only 3 games a year out of 200 odd.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:03pm
Crosscoder said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
What has that to do with the last deal.The fact is News Ltd owned 50% of the NRL
The negotiations with Foxtel/sports invovled Gallop (former employee of News Ltd) then CEO of the NRL,negotiating a deal with News ltd in effect.
If one can maximise income on that basis,then the world works in remarkable ways.Conflict of interest sticks out like dgs appendages
So your answer AR is irrelevant,as it is hypothetical.The code played with the stacked cards ,played against it. And I throw in the late K Packer ,as one of teh jokers in the pack.
I will tell you what is more valuable.A larger number of committed subscribers for pay Tv,who consistently provided at least 60 plus of the top sport shows on that medium.Lose a decent share pf those numbers ,and see what advertising gets you.
A SOO series that dominates on FTA plus a grand final,that has a huge national reach plus NZPlus an All stars and International ..
100 people watching in Sydney secures higher FTA advtg rates than the same number in Perth and Adelaide.
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TV advertsing rates are worth more in Sydney and Brisbane ,than Melbourne/Adelaide and Perth.
Colin Smith of Lek,who are experts in the field,have stated the value and comparison of the two codes.I value his judgement AR.So you can harp on about two hours v 3 hours,when the code is looking at increasing the number of ads, as a strong possibility.
Plus now all regionals are involved in the Foxtel banner,due to the takeover.Throw in expansion.
Why do you think ch10 wants to increase revenue stream?.
So who do you blame? Peter Slipper,Craig Thomson.No! the people involved in the negotiations headed by insert……..;name and News ltd and Packer.
Gyngell by his admission,that he will have to pay a hell of a lot more,suggests the last FTA deal was unders.
Why wasn’t 7 given the opportunity?
You have admitted the Tv ratings are comparable,yet the other code’s contract was nearly double.Give me a break,that is plainly obvious,an unders deal.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:26pm
Maximus said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:26pm | Report comment
Last year the AFL received a higher average weekly audience than the NRL and the disparity would be bigger this year. The same people watch excess NRL whereas more different people watch AFL but less games but they are 3 hour games with many ad breaks. There are 4 AFL games on FTA and dare I say it the demographics are different for AFL vrs NRL. With teams in the 5 capitals against 3 for the NRL, AFL gets more dough…Let it go…
June 12th 2012 @ 2:11pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Benson,
I appreciate your input but I would not want you bargaining for my life.
Please understand, that major benefactors from this current TV deal were the people who Gallop worked for and ensured that he stayed in the job for an extended 4 years.
The deal was a shocker, end of story.
Had he contracted expert people who specialize in negotiating major deals like this, the NRL would have had a similar deal to the AFL. He is a lawyer and had no expertise in this area, but when you are negotiating with your bosses it does not really make any difference.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:32am
Crosscoder said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Maximus if the media ( incl News people) suggest the last NRL deal was unders,experts like Lek state the code has the highest cumulative audience in 2011.Please also remember there is a country called NZ involved.
The fact that in any case what has happened in the last 6 years,will bear no relevance to what happens in the next 5 years with the NRL as to expansion.
You are also assuming that the 3 cap cities will remain unchanged.it won’t if Perth is included.You have assumed there will be no 2nd team in Brisbane,whiich will increase dramatically the ratings.
You can add the continual growth in FTA and Paty TV ratings and the record ratings for SOO1 so far this year.
To suggest that your code is worth at least 50% more,based on historical ratings and the largest and 3rd largest markets,is pipe dreaming.
The fact people like Simon Manning stating an analysts’ figure around $950m over 5 years suggests,what Lek and other experts viewed the last deal as being unders,as being close to the mark.
I can understand the discomfort , a decent deal might bring to some other coders.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Jaceman said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
I think we are just facing facts and lowering expectations. When people say they have more viewers (in 2011) we must give a reality check that there is more to it than just viewer numbers. In fact the AFL may be at least equal this year in numbers so one years figures dont tell the whole story but noner the less impressive. This pretty much sums it up from above
Last year the AFL received a higher average weekly audience than the NRL and the disparity would be bigger this year. The same people watch excess NRL whereas more different people watch AFL but watch less games but they are 3 hour games with many ad breaks. There are 4 AFL games on FTA and dare I say it the demographics are different for AFL vrs NRL. With teams in the 5 capitals against 3 for the NRL, AFL gets more dough,
June 13th 2012 @ 5:34pm
Crosscoder said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
Well viewer numbers are important ,indeed extremely so for Pay Tv.One word subscribers.
Lek the experts place a great deal of emphasis on Tv ratings.They have stated the figures for rugby league accumulated are the highest.This is the same conultancy group who advised the AFL on their last deal.
Smith from Lek”In television audience the NRL is ahead of the AFL.You’ve got three great products_NRL home and away and finals,SOO and then internationals.That is what’s so terrific about the game.This is a fantastic sport .It is the leader”.
He goes on when asked the effect of Foxtel losing rugby league,considering its existing packages force subscribers to buy programs they don’t wish to see,Smith said.”It would be very significant indeed and lead to a major loss in subscribers from Pay TV.If FTA Tv bought NRL for say three years,it could be catastrophic for Foxtel.”
Meaning the numbers are there for Pay and FTA.,regionals do have influence now Austar absorbed into Foxtel.
It matters little that 4 games of AFL are on FTA when drawing future comparisons,that is the result of a deal signed last years.
2013 will have a completely different make up for rugby league than it currently has,and 2015 more so (with expansion).
So your notion that there will be rugby league in only 3 caps cities,goes against what Gallop and co have been discussing re expansion.There is a little market called NZ with a population gretaer than WA and SA and Tasmania combined,which has a team and an u20 team.ignore at your peril.
We know about the demographics,the rugby league supporter has the propensity to consume by utilising and paying for Pay Tv subs.A survey result of about 4 years ago,showed that rugby league support was on the low to high income earnings ,and only ru exceeded them in the upper end of the income ladder,when it came to support.
Of course the AFL gets more dough ATM,but the disparity plus the variety of offerings from u20,makes the differential look commercially ridiculous and would look more so with expansion and advertising opportunities..
June 12th 2012 @ 10:39am
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Great article mr woodward
ABOUT INTERNET RL-TV…I am just a pleb basically, imagine what people like Grant would know….whom I support 100% notwithstanding even whats happened….good article, and I think Gallop had to go.
I personally believe he was a ch9 and news ltd stooge….in that I think over the years they have slowly exerted influence over him and currupted him….I think they wanted to keep the nrl down….if you take my meaning….
** I think Grant serves rugby league’s purpose, and Gallop served *everyones*, not just rugby leagues …. through just by being messed with over the years…..
I think the commission is beyond the reach of such tampering…..I truly feel RL was flinching under Gallop, and Grant can hold your eye….and that the commission does what it feels is leagues best interest. I know they will brush up with people they know personally and bring them in, ect….but thats business, business is friends and connections too, and it will still be to leagues gain. But where the old admin rubbed against the grains, I think the new one will force everyone to align to it….thats whats happening now, and this is GOOD.
I don’t think people are used to this in RL, and its perturbing some, and news ltd are sinking teeth in; but don’t be confused, people.
I have faith in Grant, I can see what is being done, beyond all, and as a director, I can see its all well.
Very promising.
Must wait for national broadband network, because atm, you cannot stream 1080p reliably 100% of the time, no sweat. And that kind of “just-works” tech at that level is needed.
At 1080p you need 3 mbs a second, at least. And remember speeds/transfer can drop depending, and NO ONE will want to watch something that even has more than the very rare ‘pause’.
So the NBN is a must. So its within the next tv deal they will talk about it, surely, and then implement it in the one following the coming one. At least a 50/50 service….tv, and internet. who knows what will be arranged.
Grant is the right guy to oversee this as well. Everyone on the commission really, should be able to see the benefits and get ready to bring it it.
Suddenly money goes from 1.X billion over 5 years revenue……to becoming probably 2.x billion over 5 years revenue.
All the advertising revenue goes into the RL pockets, any sponsors, ect. We are not helping to pay the wages of tv execs, or help pay for the other shows they buy, foxtel boxes, ect ,ect. It will be just camera-company contractors, commentators, auxilliary staff, a little tv directors department, and an internet link (computers, ect to put it all together)
Someone said to me the other day that they should run tv NRL, and have an internet backup service, one step above/beyond what Telstra does now.
I THINK THE BIG TRANSITION WILL BE THAT WE WILL be the main provider, with tv as the backup/follow-up, to supplement any older person without internet/computer-tv. ….. in that, whatever is set up in the transition won’t last long.
With internet tv, and internet literacy being basically 100% (even old people can get someone to come and help, or the nrl can send out someone)….well with internet tv, it will just come into your home from the wall, the internet cable will replace the antena (or at least be act as the second antena); and that will be that.
You should be able to access an NRL app via your tv itself, input credit card/paypal info/some other…..or you should be able to do it over the phone, or via a web page.
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Its probably the case that such a thing as internet-delivered games is possible right now. Every home virtually has at least 1 internet enabled tv, and almost everyone has an internet connection. The technology to shove it down the pipes is there, we just need the structure in place to make it happen each week.
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I would like to see some trials run in future.
And I personally think that already they could ask a person to pay between 10-25 dollars a month. I KNOW I would be happy to pay up to 25 dollars a month….
..I remember hearing this thing at a business seminar once……that people paying, say, 10 bucks dont mind price increases to as much as double in some cases, so long as the value is still there to their mind. Its only when value is taken away that they find it hard to cop.
IN the case of internet tv, I think the value is increased, plus you don’t need foxtel. I think too that foxtel in that climate will offer even more flexible packages; but they won’t be able to compete with the ease and direct-revenue-advert model the NRL should run.
EVEN IF the NRL model was free, and remember even now on smh.com.au you can’t skip ads (but you can on youtube.com)….they would still have advertisements. But I think people may even pay for added extras…maybe that will be pre-post match, and during the week replays (plus ads), rather than just live streaming for free.
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As you can see I am already thinking about this, a pleb basically….imagine what Grant knows.
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June 12th 2012 @ 11:11am
oikee said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Very well written and your 100% right. Gallop was under the spell of News. They both held the game back, it was very obvious to people who have paytv.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:26am
Jaredsbro said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Interesting and not as utopian as it first sounded like
The only thing is the NRL unlike the AFL seems invested in providing the games for an overseas market. Australia might be ready soon for this, but what about the other countries of which New Zealand is probably the most benefited by the NRL these days?
June 12th 2012 @ 3:12pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Jaredsbro
You are right about NZ, they are by far the most valuable team in the NRL in terms of TV contract valuations, which is why they should have 2 teams.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:52pm
NickF said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
If the NRL/RLIC were to set up a pay internet system, where fans could watch all the games via their computers, or compatible systems, why would channel 9 and Foxtel offer a very good deal for their rights to broadcat the game? Or are you suggesting that they don’t broadcast the game at all. I cannot see how the NRL can get a better deal for TV rights if they are undercutting the broadcasters. Didn’t we just see Optus try this sort of plan, with their 2 second delay broadcast.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:34pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Poor Boy
You are no pleb. Great input, thank you.
The players and the clubs actually own the game and have trusted it to the NRLC, It is up to them to develop the best possible strategic vision and implement the plan.
I get pissed off when fat cat TV execs rip us off and show us replays with a million adverts, and then Foxtel and Austar hold a gun at our heads and force us to pay for channels that we dont want and will never watch just so we can see the footy.
An early problem is the close links with Telstra.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:06pm
Damien said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:06pm | Report comment
PBB
I think you’re getting alittle ahead of yourself here. I totally agree with your principles regarding how technology can revolutionise the game but when you apply them to reality the picture goes fuzzy.
We do not yet have suffiecient technological infrastructure or numbers to support the Internet TV model.
A good sort of comparison for a sport on Internet TV would be the NHL. You can subscribe to all their games for about $20 – $25 a month and recieve all the games on your PS 3, Xbox, Apple TV etc. The video streaming is not totally reliable. its good most of the time but its no where near as reliable as TV. My friends tried to watch a UFC event on their Xbox’s and the system crashed with only about 200,000 machines trying to access the servers. More needs to be done before the delivery of these services will satisfy the sports market. Changing the channel during the game is also difficult. When you switch back it takes a little while for the console to catch up to real time.
Another thing is that when you watch Internet TV in HD (Forget about 1080p, 720p is where we’re at for now and even then the streaming is not good enough. 720p is pretty good) the amount of data that gets downloaded all goes towards your allowance for the month. I’ve watched a few movies streamed on my AppleTV and for a 100 min movie in 720p you’re looking at about 4G in downloads so for a game you’re looking at roughly 5G a game. The movies on Apple TV look good in 720p but the viewing experience is no where near as good as Foxtel IQ. If you’re with Telstra they give you free data if you watch on their platforms but that doesn’t suit everyone.
Also people go on about how they only want to pay for their own sport. I’m a sports fan and enjoy alot of sports. If I were to spend $20 a month on a code then my bill would be something like $80 – $100 a month which is more than a Sports Package on Foxtel. I’ve also got to include the TV Dramas and girly stuff that my wife likes. Soon my som will be watching cartoons and when my family come over all the kids like to watch all that Cartoon Network stuff.
Foxtel gives me all the sports i could ever want in HD, all the girly stuff my wife likes, all the news and doco’s that I watch and more for about $100 a month. Plus I can record and access them whenever I want which is hard to do with Internet TV.
I’m a tech geek as well but the tech industry has a very long way to go to beat whats offfered by Foxtel.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:40pm
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
thankyou. I was talking more in terms of 10+ years from now. I had/and continue to have much the same experience with that with my setup, and others I have seen.
I am aware that there are streaming services. I have myself also tried to stream 1080p video from a file on the computer, across a cable! to my fathers tv recently -albeit with a mild sound format conversion so it will play. He uses a D7000 (thankfully without too much uniformity problems), and it was a documentary in 1080p….and the cable had trouble keeping up – never mind wireless, it was using servio to do it.
If you do anything with 3d from my internet connection to my d8000 via its internal internet link, its impossible to last 10 seconds. One must consider wireless, and how unreliable that can be.
However, on my D8000, you can even have trouble with youtube most of the time, via its wireless link. 1080p is hard sometimes, due to the net. But via hdmi like I like to watch movies via the computer, its flawless, and this is how I would expect any future NBN to need to be (and actually be)…
**At the moment the Telstra NRL app on the Samsung d8000/7000/6000 AFAIK has trouble keeping up with nrl action, and its not even at the higher bit rate most of the time!!!*** but it is still watchable IF you are desperate.
**So I don’t think we will see live streaming to high tv quality for some time yet *** tho time in computer land multiplies fast…..do you see windows 8 is out now and next year there should be lots of touch enabled laptops *** AND NO START KEY!
How can we get by without a start key I ask myself?????? Well apparently we will…
so times change.
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But I think the platform needs to develop a lot like with anything new.
Just so you know, I see tv being around in its current form for a lot longer. If we ever do the switch, they can still sell tv games to NZ, around the world, its the same thing. We could also run the service alongside the tv, or in some form so as not to interfere with it, as much as a tv company would allow, since they are trying to make money.
- Seems the next jump in this whole evolution is a dedicated nrl footy channel.
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Finally, I think the service will be free. That would be ideal, with ads like we now get. And they will need to see how people trend with it, and if its popular.
Also, we dont know if it will work in this country….we miss out on a lot of exposure from tv, and we would have to advertise.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:31pm
Damien said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
No worries PBB
I’m a believer in the Internet TV model as well but it will take some time to get it right.
The problem is that the game needs the money now or in 5 year alotments and its pretty hard for them to say no to the Pay TV and FTV demands.
Another problem I see for ITV is that watching your code/movie/tv show on the big screen with friends is so much more fun than watching it on your phone. The social aspect of the game is a big factor in viewership.
In saying please allow me to look into my crystal tablet and tell you what I hope the future holds for sports fans with technology driving innovation and revenue.
Picture this : The world has sorted out its broadband issues and everyone is getting download speeds (which is different to line speed which is what most of the carriers advertise) of say 14 megs like South Korea. (I get about 1 meg which is pretty good but as always I would prefer a faster connection).
- The NRL has been putting abit of money into ITV in secret and has come up with its own platform that looks like Bigpond NRL on steroids.
- We all download the NRL app onto our Smart TV’s, Phones etc. through the App Store or Google Play.
- The app gives up access too mountains of content within the NRL app, Stats, News etc.
- All games are streamed live in HD and you can record and store the games in your NRL account in the Cloud.
- You access your NRL Cloud Acc with the same ease as Foxtel IQ.
- When you watch any games you can connect with your friends who also have NRL accounts and they appear in a small box on your tv thats playing the game. Like when you Skype someone and are typing away on another screen. You could probably have a little line down the right side that has 10 small screens with all your mates around the world. Think of it as NRL Game Day Conference Call. The camera is already in your Smart TV so its showing you and your mates on the couch drinking beers and you can abuse each other when your team is winning etc.
- You can communicate with everyone on the screen through just talking or IM using your phone and the message pops up on their TV.
- Also all the teams have their own app within the NRL which you can purchase and that app will have content specific to that team. eg Broncos TV and you could also easily donate money to the team thru the app say you register and tick the ’10 cents a try’ option etc..
I don’t exactly how that business model would work but wouldn’t that be cool if the gane could be funded through that sort of technology..
June 12th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Charles said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
I understand where you are coming from Johnno, there is always a concern as to whoever takes on the role! David Gallop overall did a fair job under the circumstances as his hand were often tied being under control of News Limited! Personally I was often critical of David Gallop especially his handling of Brett Stewart affair and not expanding the game fast enough for my liking! I do question how John Grant handled David Gallop situation as he had recently signed a four year contract I believe, and then all of a sudden he is no longer required. Surely they would have outlined his role in the contract? Anyway now we have an Independent Commission who will make decisions and they will do it swiftly and decisively. The good point is they will have to answer to the public who will certainly let them know if they are making the wrong decisions!
June 12th 2012 @ 12:26pm
Jaceman said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
I am bewildered by Stewarts reaction. By carrying on like this, he continues to draw attention to this incident. My memory from press reports at the time (not a good source) but that he was so drunk he didnt remember what he was doing so its hard to know what actually happened – he should take his medicine and move on
June 12th 2012 @ 2:28pm
Crosscoder said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
He is doing no more than what the Chamberlains did (over 30 years) Jaceman , wanting to clear their name,which was muddied.
Being drunk is not a crime.Else half the Tv industry would be in the clink.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:37pm
ScottWoodward.me said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Charles
NEWS would not sign off until Gallop was given a 4 yr contract, which included a 12 mth pay out should he go early. Grant thought the 700k early pay out was a good investment.
I agree with him.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:43pm
Charles said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
Interesting, I did not know that Scott! Any wonder that he terminated that contract having no say to what is required!
June 12th 2012 @ 3:45pm
oikee said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
I mentioned it the other day as well. He was on 12 months probation so to speak. And yes, i agree, the best investment Grant will ever make. This guy is one smart cookie. I will be backing him 110%.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:55pm
Poor Boy Blues said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
Right indeed.
And I think people need to think about that. Did Grant throw the money away? No. He had very good reason to be rid of Gallop; and as sad as it is for people to move on, they must.
I hate to see him go, but he’s gone. He’s moving on, and so should we. It was a good decision, and david will be fine. He just got 700k for crying out loud. If he has to he can downgrade his house slightly, but he will soon have another job if he wishes.
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People will often say it was rude to shove him out the door. RUUUUDEEE???? I ASK???
**Where in his contract does it say one needs to provide him with a party and a cake, or even a handshake???
He only came back for the golden handshake. He did his work dutifully – til they shafted him, for good reason. Life goes on.
We will always have the memories.
So I agree = good investment to pay it out early. Whats the bet this kind of talk slipped from Gallops mouth, during a moment of duress/annoyance? Such as “heck – if I wasn’t just here for the golden handshake!”
Sounds contrived, I know, but what if gallop had said words that hinted to that….or some such….
people are not black and white, we are all partly grey